Comments on: “Ladies’ Man” http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:33:32 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406478 rumi Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:49:47 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406478 <p>Thanks kemo<br /> We seem to be a special breed that’s set apart from others in our own lives. It identifies the principles that can’t be compromised even if those ideals benefit others instead of ourselves.</p> <p>pass the peace</p> Thanks kemo
We seem to be a special breed that’s set apart from others in our own lives. It identifies the principles that can’t be compromised even if those ideals benefit others instead of ourselves.

pass the peace

]]> By: kemo http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406392 kemo Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:06:49 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406392 <p>Hi rumi,</p> <p>I too was oblivious to politics prior to 9/11, and afterwards became obsessed with the cast of characters in the adminisration via Google. Alas, it took a better man than Bush to rise to the level of the office he held, and to do the noble thing. But, as I came to realize (angrily) in 2002, he was no match for history.</p> <p>These are trying times, and I’m sorry to hear about your home situation. Over Thanksgiving, there I was supporting Rangel’s call for the draft, to my father’s shock and dismay. Nothing I said will get us out of there faster…</p> <p>Peace to you, and thanks for your comments.</p> Hi rumi,

I too was oblivious to politics prior to 9/11, and afterwards became obsessed with the cast of characters in the adminisration via Google. Alas, it took a better man than Bush to rise to the level of the office he held, and to do the noble thing. But, as I came to realize (angrily) in 2002, he was no match for history.

These are trying times, and I’m sorry to hear about your home situation. Over Thanksgiving, there I was supporting Rangel’s call for the draft, to my father’s shock and dismay. Nothing I said will get us out of there faster…

Peace to you, and thanks for your comments.

]]> By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406345 rumi Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:12:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406345 <p><a href="#comment-406318"><em>johnSwifty @<br /> 132 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-406286"><em>rumi @<br /> 131 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p> I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.</p></blockquote> <p>I think you have all the right pieces. He was chosen, because he was too stupid to know what to do, by evil people.</p> <p>I hope your domestic relationships are better now that he has been shown as a charlatan and not some agent of the lord.</p></blockquote> <p>hey, thanks. Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. My life is much better without the self imposed burden of being the conscience for others’ denial….free choice, free will and all that. </p> <p>Thanks for listening.</p> johnSwifty @
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rumi @
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I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.

I think you have all the right pieces. He was chosen, because he was too stupid to know what to do, by evil people.

I hope your domestic relationships are better now that he has been shown as a charlatan and not some agent of the lord.

hey, thanks. Yeah, I came to the same conclusion. My life is much better without the self imposed burden of being the conscience for others’ denial….free choice, free will and all that.

Thanks for listening.

]]> By: johnSwifty http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406318 johnSwifty Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:50:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406318 <p><a href="#comment-406286"><em>rumi @<br /> 131 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p> I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.</p></blockquote> <p>I think you have all the right pieces. He was chosen, because he was too stupid to know what to do, by evil people.</p> <p>I hope your domestic relationships are better now that he has been shown as a charlatan and not some agent of the lord.</p> rumi @
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I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.

I think you have all the right pieces. He was chosen, because he was too stupid to know what to do, by evil people.

I hope your domestic relationships are better now that he has been shown as a charlatan and not some agent of the lord.

]]> By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406286 rumi Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:32:13 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406286 <p>kemo @ 129<br /> yup,yup,yup…and it’s not the only time that Jr inexplicably pissed away a spontaneous chance at tremendous success. I honestly didn’t know enough to be this pissed off at his 2000 (s)election back when it happened. I only knew what I saw on the cable “news” and read in traditional media. After 9/11, nothing about the political environment felt right, nothing he said, nothing he did. The runup to Iraq made even less sense and that’s when I jumped into Google with every spare second of my life. I had a fatal split in my home due to my questioning and my wife turning deeper into an Evangelical church. The Bush support was rationalized a thousand ways fundamentally religiously and my skepticism was deemed intolerable.</p> <p>I couldn’t/can’t accept Biblical inerrancy but I believe in faith/spirituality. I considered the religious claims that Jr was actually chosen, by divine intervention and human deception, and put it with ‘all things are possible’. From there, I saw him at that crucial crossroads at 9/11 and he followed the wrong (god)light; he pursued the one he shined for himself. Then we couldn’t stop the invasion, BUT, hardly any casualties made me think that maybe my doubt was misplaced and that some good could be realized for the Iraqi’s peace and life. Then, his command chose to disband the common soldiers-family men, heads of household, in order to chase the wrong (god) ideals, profits, ego, pride or whatever.</p> <p>Each clusterfuck that held a potential light of healing was turned into another subsequent clusterfuck. I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.</p> kemo @ 129
yup,yup,yup…and it’s not the only time that Jr inexplicably pissed away a spontaneous chance at tremendous success. I honestly didn’t know enough to be this pissed off at his 2000 (s)election back when it happened. I only knew what I saw on the cable “news” and read in traditional media. After 9/11, nothing about the political environment felt right, nothing he said, nothing he did. The runup to Iraq made even less sense and that’s when I jumped into Google with every spare second of my life. I had a fatal split in my home due to my questioning and my wife turning deeper into an Evangelical church. The Bush support was rationalized a thousand ways fundamentally religiously and my skepticism was deemed intolerable.

I couldn’t/can’t accept Biblical inerrancy but I believe in faith/spirituality. I considered the religious claims that Jr was actually chosen, by divine intervention and human deception, and put it with ‘all things are possible’. From there, I saw him at that crucial crossroads at 9/11 and he followed the wrong (god)light; he pursued the one he shined for himself. Then we couldn’t stop the invasion, BUT, hardly any casualties made me think that maybe my doubt was misplaced and that some good could be realized for the Iraqi’s peace and life. Then, his command chose to disband the common soldiers-family men, heads of household, in order to chase the wrong (god) ideals, profits, ego, pride or whatever.

Each clusterfuck that held a potential light of healing was turned into another subsequent clusterfuck. I then came to the conclusion that maybe he was chosen and was too stupid to know what to do…or he’s just plain evil.

]]> By: johnSwifty http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406259 johnSwifty Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:15:08 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406259 <p><a href="#comment-406227"><em>Hugh @<br /> 125 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-406190"><em>johnSwifty @ 115</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> how do you think the possibility of better leadership on the Palestinian side will affect the circumstance?</p></blockquote> <p>That better leadership has largely remained a possibility has been part of the ongoing tragedy of the Palestinians. However, it wasn’t Arafat’s corruption that did him in with the Israelis. It was that he didn’t agree to do what they wanted him to. </p> <p>This gets into the dynamic between colonizers and the colonized. To be an authentic spokesperson for the colonized, an Arafat or Hamas has to be willing to say no to the colonizer Israel. The colonizer is faced with the choice of either negotiating away its control or destroying those who will not agree to the maintenance of it. Israel’s choice to date has been clear. </p> <p>This said, effective, clean, pragmatic government would, of course, be good for the Palestinians, as it would be for us.</p></blockquote> <p>You make too mush sense on the matter. Is your background in Middle Eastern study?</p> <p>Anyway; six years not only lost, but spent going in a backwards slide, that just couldn’t have helped. It is depressing and just another thing to lay at the feet of these know-all authoritarians who, in fact, seem to know nothing.</p> Hugh @
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johnSwifty @ 115

how do you think the possibility of better leadership on the Palestinian side will affect the circumstance?

That better leadership has largely remained a possibility has been part of the ongoing tragedy of the Palestinians. However, it wasn’t Arafat’s corruption that did him in with the Israelis. It was that he didn’t agree to do what they wanted him to.

This gets into the dynamic between colonizers and the colonized. To be an authentic spokesperson for the colonized, an Arafat or Hamas has to be willing to say no to the colonizer Israel. The colonizer is faced with the choice of either negotiating away its control or destroying those who will not agree to the maintenance of it. Israel’s choice to date has been clear.

This said, effective, clean, pragmatic government would, of course, be good for the Palestinians, as it would be for us.

You make too mush sense on the matter. Is your background in Middle Eastern study?

Anyway; six years not only lost, but spent going in a backwards slide, that just couldn’t have helped. It is depressing and just another thing to lay at the feet of these know-all authoritarians who, in fact, seem to know nothing.

]]> By: kemo http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406249 kemo Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:08:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406249 <p>Hugh, well said is right. Compromise, not terrorism is what Israel fears most. Any strong Palestinian leader will be marginalized, or imprisoned (maybe not executed)…</p> <p>rumi, this is what I meant above. the only time in recent history a President had the opportunity without being shot down by the other side, and to speak frankly (as Carter is now) about the Isr/Pal issue was right after 9/11. Bush blew it.</p> Hugh, well said is right. Compromise, not terrorism is what Israel fears most. Any strong Palestinian leader will be marginalized, or imprisoned (maybe not executed)…

rumi, this is what I meant above. the only time in recent history a President had the opportunity without being shot down by the other side, and to speak frankly (as Carter is now) about the Isr/Pal issue was right after 9/11. Bush blew it.

]]> By: angie http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406246 angie Tue, 05 Dec 2006 00:05:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406246 <p><a href="#comment-406239"><em>rumi @ 127</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>…and yet when al-Maliki spoke up in such a fashion he was condemned by nearly all of our Democrat political leaders as well as by the GOP. Everyone then said he was too weak to lead the people of Iraq.</p></blockquote> <p>that still ticks me off to no end, rumi.</p> rumi @ 127

…and yet when al-Maliki spoke up in such a fashion he was condemned by nearly all of our Democrat political leaders as well as by the GOP. Everyone then said he was too weak to lead the people of Iraq.

that still ticks me off to no end, rumi.

]]> By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406239 rumi Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:58:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406239 <p>…and yet when al-Maliki spoke up in such a fashion he was condemned by nearly all of our Democrat political leaders as well as by the GOP. Everyone then said he was too weak to lead the people of Iraq.</p> …and yet when al-Maliki spoke up in such a fashion he was condemned by nearly all of our Democrat political leaders as well as by the GOP. Everyone then said he was too weak to lead the people of Iraq.

]]> By: angie http://firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406234 angie Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:54:39 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/12/04/damage-control/#comment-406234 <p><a href="#comment-406227"><em>Hugh @ 125</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-406190"><em>johnSwifty @ 115</em></a></p> <blockquote><p> how do you think the possibility of better leadership on the Palestinian side will affect the circumstance?</p></blockquote> <p>That better leadership has largely remained a possibility has been part of the ongoing tragedy of the Palestinians. However, it wasn’t Arafat’s corruption that did him in with the Israelis. It was that he didn’t agree to do what they wanted him to. </p> <p>This gets into the dynamic between colonizers and the colonized. To be an authentic spokesperson for the colonized, an Arafat or Hamas has to be willing to say no to the colonizer Israel. The colonizer is faced with the choice of either negotiating away its control or destroying those who will not agree to the maintenance of it. Israel’s choice to date has been clear. </p> <p>This said, effective, clean, pragmatic government would, of course, be good for the Palestinians, as it would be for us.</p></blockquote> <p>well said, Hugh.</p> Hugh @ 125

johnSwifty @ 115

how do you think the possibility of better leadership on the Palestinian side will affect the circumstance?

That better leadership has largely remained a possibility has been part of the ongoing tragedy of the Palestinians. However, it wasn’t Arafat’s corruption that did him in with the Israelis. It was that he didn’t agree to do what they wanted him to.

This gets into the dynamic between colonizers and the colonized. To be an authentic spokesperson for the colonized, an Arafat or Hamas has to be willing to say no to the colonizer Israel. The colonizer is faced with the choice of either negotiating away its control or destroying those who will not agree to the maintenance of it. Israel’s choice to date has been clear.

This said, effective, clean, pragmatic government would, of course, be good for the Palestinians, as it would be for us.

well said, Hugh.

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