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Here's the Sunday Talking Head line-up for today:
C-Span's Washington Journal: 7:45am – Melody Barnes, Center for American Progress, Exec. Vice Pres. for Policy | 100 Days Agenda; 9am – Andrei Piontkovsky, Hudson Institute, Visiting Sr. Fellow; 9:30am – Julia Choucair, Carnegie Endowment for Int'l Peace, Associate.
This Week (ABC): National security advisor Stephen Hadley; Sen. Evan Bayh; Gov. Tom Vilsack; George Will, Martha Radditz and David Corn; actor Richard Dreyfuss.
Meet the Press (NBC): National security adviser Stephen Hadley, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.; Sen. John Warner, R-Va.; and former President Jimmy Carter.
Face the Nation (CBS): National security adviser Stephen Hadley, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn.; and Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.
Late Edition (CNN): Prince Turki Al-Faisal, Saudi ambassador to the United States; Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz; U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad; Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.; and Iraqi Minister of Industry Fawzi Hariri.
FOX News Sunday: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.; Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer and Cathy Lanier, chief of police, Metropolitan (D.C.) Police Department.
Gee, think they'll be talking about Iraq? If Stephen Hadley is the best public salesperson that the Bush Administration has going for them, they are in deeper doo-doo than I thought.
The above photo is a swan round-up in Germany — the local municipality in question herds all of its swans out of the local waterways and indoors where they are housed and fed and cared for all winter until they can safely be released again in more mild weather in the spring. For more on swans try here and here — great stuff.
Somehow, a photo of someone trying to herd wild swans seemed oddly appropriate for this morning's line-up. Go figure.
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Fitz!
Stephen Hadley seems to be making the rounds
Okay! Third time’s the charm… I’ve left them EPU’d at the bottom of two threads, now at (more or less) the top of this one:
Today’s NYT columnists, from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
David Brooks, “Teaching the Elephant.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Nicholas Kristof, “A Modest Proposal for a Truce on Religion.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Frank Rich, “Has He Started Talking to the Walls?”
Go Fitz!
Will Lieberman be spooning with Hadley on Face the Nation?
Christy,
That’s the first time I had seen this in print:
Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn)
Usually it is I-CT. Just think about the imagery. Icon, I con, etc. that about sums it up for Joe, doesn’t it? I really can’t wait for the day that the pundits see how irrelevant he really is.
RevDeb @ 6
morning RevDeb!
wrt mr. irrelevant… not gonna hold my breath for the day… ‘cuz wouldn’t that require the pundits to be able to see how irrelevant they are?
Lieberman (R-CT)
Ed Rogers is a scumbag…
Memo leaking — We need to find who is deliberately leaking the Hadley and Rumsfield
analysis.
Didn’t this same Adm use classified leaks
during the Wilson smear?
What role is the NYT playing?
Jack
selise @ 7
oops, you are right, but then again, their day of reckoning has yet to come. Notice how Jon Stewart hasn’t been invited on to too many shows (and certainly no talking head shows) since he killed Crossfire?
Time will tell.
Our leaders should be giving serious consideration to the possibility the president is unbalanced even while contemplating the ugliness of what Cheney would undoubtedly do if given a chance at a dictatorship.
RevDeb @ 10
hmmm…. you’re right, i was being way too cynical for a bright sunday morning. here’s to hope.
oooh… at 12noon today c-span2 is going to have a live call-in show with jimmy carter!
What I want to know is when will we see some swan songs on the Sunday Talking Heads.
Bay State Librul @ 9
laura rozen at war and piece says:
Off to work. Please document the atrocities so I can catch up later.
sofistic @ 14
Lynn Swan singing Where the Eagles Soar
Odd attribution for Swan Song. Reminds me of the current administration. (via Google Define: function, define: swan song)
Netroots on the take, rut ro
Times
Timmeh brings his A game to conversation with Hadley.
Hadley: gosh, Timmeh, you’re just too dumb to understand WH memos.
Timmeh jabs right back at ‘im.
WH war plan: Stay the course > stall
until Jan, 2009, then cut’n’run for Crawford or wherever.
Morning! Sounds like Pumpkinhead packed his balls with him this morning huh?
Further Hadley to Timmeh:
American people are too stoopid, too…
Timmeh shows new Newsweek cover, which reminds me, last night’s teaser lead for Frank Rich’s column…must find source to read whole column….
Sidebar, Our trumpeter swans are sturdier than German swans… hmmmmpf….
Piontkosky busy mocking anyone who offers up an alternate theory to the murder of the former russian spy or questions the fingering of pooty poot.
It had to be pooty poot because who else would want to kill a former KGB spy?
actually, the reference to lieberman is a mistake, since technically, until jan. 1, he’s still a democrat.
but yeah, there ain’t nothing independent about that waste of oxygen. unless you mean you can’t spell indepenedent without I.
selise @ 13
Some rethug dumbass on C-SPAN this morning called Jimmy Carter a limousine liberal out to destroy America.
How did so many Americans get so fucking dumb that a Naval Academy Grad, nuclear sub officer and former working peanut farmer from Georgia could be called a limousine liberal?
I guess John Tester will be the next limousine liberal in DC
Where is Denny Hastert??
J-Lie I-CT is absolutely perfect when you consider the minimalism of it: I doesn’t mean Independent, effective Jan 4.
I = I
Ever and always.
Warner now watercarrying for BushCo.
Morning all — Mr. ReddHedd did the early shift this morning so that I could have a sleep-in morning. Ahhh, glorious sleep. :) And, more cinnamon rolls when I came downstairs. Have I mentioned how lucky I am lately? *g*
And your team won last night! What a game.
Evan Blah lived up to his name today.
Think of how big his ego is that he thinks he is electable as President.
angie at 30 — he is a bit blah, isn’t he? I don’t mind that if I feel like there is some sort of contained passion or anger or substance or something — but I just can’t get a bead on what issues do that for him. He’s the same sort of even blah on everything whenever I see him. Anyone had contact with him on any issues where he seems to light up or have some sort of real oomph? I just finished reading Elizabeth Edwards’ memoir (which is excellent, btw), and she talks a little bit about Bayh in a good way in the book from when John Edwards first got elected to the Senate, and I’m wondering if the “blah” thing is just a way of dealing with a public speaking nervousness or something?
Tres huge ego, indeedy.
“but, but I was a 2 term governor, George and I have national security experience from my time in the senate.”
I have never seen him passionate about anything, Christy.
Looking forward to Richard Dreyfuss, though– he’s got passion.
Christy at 30. You know, I wonder about public figures who hide their shyness with a lack of affect. It does seem to be a common defense. On the other hand, there are the Bidens who have an overactive affect.
You must understand that Democrats in Indiana are only slightly less heinous than the Thugs. In state politics, both are beholden to special interests, and the legislature has been voted the worst in the country several times. Bayh won the governor’s office on the strength of his name, and had no bold initiatives or legacy to show for the 8 years.
Twisted Martini @ 35
that’s pretty pitiful, TM. We’ve got lots of work to do.
sofistic at 34 — well, as someone who was painfully shy as a kid and who had to force herself past that as she got older, it took me getting comfortable in my own skin — warts and all — before I got over the enormous nervousness of public speaking. Not to say that I’m never nervous now, because I am — a lot — when I have to do something publicly, be it jury work or a speech or what have you, but it never occurred to me to try and muffle it with a flat affect, because emotion — at least in my family — is something we always showed. Maybe it has something to do with environment? I dunno. Or maybe it’s just an individual thing, but you are right that a LOT of politicians seem to go that route. Which is odd, really, when you think about it — because genuine emotion would serve them so much better with the public on the whole, wouldn’t you say?
Twisted at 35 — well, that’s awfully sad.
Prairie Sunshine @
22
Only time I ever saw folks trying to herd even one trumpeter, it ran right over/through a 6′ tall guy. Trust me. I was there – thank heaven not in the path it took. Besides being “sturdy”, dose are boids wit serious attitood! *g*
I, too am naturally shy and nervous until I have a subject that I care and know a lot about and then…
well, then I can talk without shaking and quivering like I used to.
Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam on cbs now.
Christy: I was a shy kid, too. Now I speak in front of groups professionally, too. Go figure. The kid with something to say won out over the shy one.
Christy at 37:
I agree. Geeze, when I first started teaching in a community college (many years ago), I was a mess because of my shyness. But as I gained experience, I found a way to “get outside of myself,” and the animated affect brought on by my excitement with the subject matter took over. Never was a problem after that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 38
Also, keep in mind that this is a state that just enacted daylight savings time LAST YEAR! Not exactly a hotbed of progressivism. Business is very hidebound, and the education system is poor. We have no full day kindergarten, and parents must pay “book rental” fees every year which amounts to a tax on families with school age children. These are issues that could have, should have been addressed long ago, and weren’t.
Again, I don’t know what accomplishments Bayh has that he can run on. I personally think that Dick Lugar would make a better President than Evan Blah. And I don’t say that lightly.
Pach 41
G’wannn! YOU?!
got over it, eh? ooooohhhhkaaaay… *g*
well gee. sorry. didn’ mean to scare ya away, Pach.
It’s okay lil’ fella. you can comeon back ;->
Adie: Heh.
I enjoyed seeing Jimmy Carter so clearly describe the current situation in the West Bank and Gaza. How many politicians could comfortably watch a playback of statements made thirty years ago on such a subject – of course if you speak truth, there are no lies to keep straight.
I’ve always thought Mr. Carter was one of, if not the, best president(s) of my lifetime. Unfortunately he saw the world as the complex place it was and is and the American people preferred a buffoon who characterized everything as a black and white good vs. evil cartoon or fairy tale. Even then his rival in 1980 and his henchmen had to engage in backroom dealings with Iran etc. that amounted to treason to make Mr. Carter look ineffective dealing with the hostage crisis. Oh right, why am I thinking of Mr. Gates the nominee for SecDef?
I would like to live in the alternate universe where Jimmy Carter served a second term as president of the USA.
Pach! Ah, THERE you are.
Wish you could share your secret for conquering that shy side.
Sorta got over shyness so I could speak in public, with notes, but never conquered the shaky, quivery voice. Dang! So I finally just gave up on that venture…
I’m truly happy for your success. The world needs more guys like you out messing with their minds. ;->
We have 2 senators here in NH that I think won on name recognition only– Sununu and Gregg.
Time for them to shape up or ship out.
(course they are both thugs, but that’s my issue, and we’re turning bright blue!)
Jimmy Carter is offering the American people the opportunity to have a much needed discourse. I admire him very much and am thankful for every day he spends on our planet, theExile.
angie @ 49
Happy for you, and for us all, on both points ;->
This may be old news to y’all, but it looks as if the Republican party will pay the Democrats $25K per year for the next five years over the phone jamming thing.
http://www.unionleader.com/
Short form of the link. Couldn’t get the specific link to work.
I wonder who has the job of getting those swans in the boats? That’s what amazes me: the swams all sitting there, looking like they totally get what’s going on, and like they ride in boats all the time. Since they’ve been doing it since 1674 or something, is it just part of their natural migration now — “oh, here are the boats, now we get in them and go off to the winter place?”
Melissa at 52 — you know, I was thinking about that as well last night when I found the picture. They just look like it’s another day in the park. *g*
btw, gang — I had messed up the link to Bill Scher’s book in the reminder note below — sorry about that. I’ve fixed the link, so you can click thru now. Hope it didn’t inconvenience anyone.
sofistic @ 51
it’s chicken feed and wrong, imho. the thugs got off easy yet again for yet another conspiracy.
theExile at 47 — Carter has been such an amazing ex-president, hasn’t he? My favorite work of his has been the Habitat for Humanity work, but the election supervision has been a close second. Talk about walking the talk…
Mideast allies near a state of panic
U.S. leaders’ visits to the region reap only warnings and worry.
By Paul Richter, Times Staff Writer
December 3, 2006
WASHINGTON — President Bush and his top advisors fanned out across the troubled Middle East over the last week to showcase their diplomatic initiatives to restore strained relationships with traditional allies and forge new ones with leaders in Iraq.
But instead of flaunting stronger ties and steadfast American influence, the president’s journey found friends both old and new near a state of panic. Mideast leaders expressed soaring concern over upheavals across the region that the United States helped ignite through its invasion of Iraq and push for democracy — and fear that the Bush administration may make things worse.
President Bush’s summit in Jordan with the Iraqi prime minister proved an awkward encounter that deepened doubts about the relationship. Vice President Dick Cheney’s stop in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, yielded a blunt warning from the kingdom’s leaders. And Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s swing through the West Bank and Israel, intended to build Arab support by showing a new U.S. push for peace, found little to work with.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..ines-world
If I were a woman I might be angry with Hillary. This person had the chance to become the first woman president of the U.S. in history. And she’s blown it. Damn her.
I think Carter was a good prez. He was environmental and got a treaty between Egypt and Israel. I’m tired of folks not recognizing the fact that President Carter is not only an excellent ex-president, he was also a damn good leader. And he was honest.
Clusterfuck nation goes worldwide! Do people realize just how much of an amateur hour it is in the Bush Whitehouse now?
-GSD
Adviser: Bush open to Rumsfeld’s ideas
Adviser: Clinton actively weighs ‘08 bid
just got back and need to thank selise from a previous thread;
selise @ 9
I have it selise and thank YOU for that page, if at all possilbe, please try to keep it up through the 08 election
do you want traffic on the page?
I will link to it if you do, if you are hungry for the bandwidth then I will not link to it…perhaps we can get someone who wants the traffic to host it if you can’t afford to give up the bandwidth
thanx agaain and let me know
ps
the windows player on that link is broken, I downloaed from one of the other links
Adie: combination of luck and temperament.
My mother raised me with that “you can do anything you set your mind to do” mindset, so on the one hand, I had a well of great confidence. On the other hand, I was a sensitive kid, an only child, a bit uneasy about social relations, and as a proto-gay kid and a budding gay youth in a very Catholic family, I set my mind that I could overcome the latent gay. Hey, I could do anything I set my mind to do, right? It was the “right” thing to do, right?
Okay, so I’d set myself on a serious collision course with myself, right through my psych education, not to come to a reckoning until my early 30’s.
Meanwhile, I always had some facility with language and was a good student, so I managed to find some space to be a presenter in my business/consulting career. But I never got really comfortable in my skin until I dealt with my sexuality. That’s when I found myself able to speak and live far more authentically, internally congruent with my social self.
Even with all that, I did not develop a more integrated political consciousness until my later 30’s. I’m 40 now.
So, I had the temperament, latent on some level, for this stuff, and I’ve been lucky enough to benefit from good role models and teachers in my life, begun but by no means limited to my parents. You can bet along the way I sought and greatly benefitted from the patient, caring guidance of people in the psych world.
Bush is fomenting at the mouth.
-GSD
GSD @ 63
he sure is and Hadley is abetting him.
(jerks)
GSD @
63
…and it’s slowing his fomentum.
Oh, Mr. Carter; thirty years gone by;
Oh, Mr. Carter, your words make me cry.
twolf1 @ 60
Clinton has been ‘weighing’ a run for a long, long time. So the choice may come down in 2008 to two individuals who support the Bush fiasco in the Middle East. McCain and Clinton. And I don’t just mean Iraq. I’m talking about the whole Middle East.
Marion in Savannah @ 3
marion, I used to be able to read these from the links, no longer possible for me either with ie or firefox
Well, if that’s the case OK, then it’ll be the first time I refuse to vote for a candidate and will write MY own damn name in.
I hate war and we are doomed if we follow the will of these chickenhawks.
johnSwifty, nicely said @ 66.
perris @ 68
Here’s the Rich
http://roziusunbound.blogspot……ng-to.html
I search Technorati, somebody usually copies them somewhere.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
u know, 4 a while I thought clinton was just letting the republican party show their hand by making believe a run was possible
they are calling her the biggest threat becuase they want her to run, she will be the easiest to mobilize their base against.
now that we’ve won both houses I’m not sure she’s as unelectable as I thought in the first place
if we make good political and economic gains when we actually take contol of the house, if we manage to do something positive about Iraq and make sure everyone knows it’s becuase of us, and if clinton as a big hand in what happens, she has a chance of winning.
mostly, I want gore to run, I want to start drafting him and I want to make America see we twisted his arm and forced him to run.
this will be eminiantly possible if we get some global warming issues on the table, and if we can demonstrate the case that the economy THRIVES by investing in green technology
he IS the man and I want to make sure he runs
PeteCO @ 70
thank you sir
are we allowed to copy those?
if so I’ll host them on my blog also
I got an early Festivus gift from Ms. Balrog.
The new Rhino release Doors boxed set.
Oh my. This stuff is incredible.
…Festivus!
perris @ 61
i plan to keep it up… please let me know if you have additions that i have missed.
traffic is neither a problem nor a goal – was meant to be of use/interest – please feel free to link as you think useful.
sorry about that, i only checked the mp3 (since that is what i use).
OT: Could New Orleans be History? by way of John Amato. This is the final blow to my family’s already tottering small business. You hear people say that there’s plenty of construction work here…well, yes and no. A lot of the residential work is waiting (still) on insurance payments after nearly a year and a half. The commercial work, almost without exception, is being handed to out of state and out of town contractors…through (you guessed it) insurance companies. We’re good at what we do and have excellent references, but we’re just a small family business. If we can’t do business here, we can’t stay here. The cost of living is eating us alive but moving will be problematical at best. One of those “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” situations.
perris @ 71
I do believe a certain Georgian peanut farmer has at least four good years left in him.
I so want Gore and I agree, perris, that we need to draft him — it will take some of the sting out of our recent actions/inactions.
sofistic @
18
I think of the entire Led Zeppelin catalog when I think of Swan Song.
Dream ticket? Gore/Clark?
I’m getting the idea the corporate media after 7 November has decided to give Lieberman some of the face-time they previously gave to McCain thinking not many will realize they are still getting Republican talking points via Lieberman.
President Carter. For Secretary of State!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
I could go that! If I can’t have Hamsher/Clooney.
johnSwifty @ 77
you are absolutely right and he already endorsed Gore. I would dearly love to see another Carter presidency– he would and could heal much.
How about Gore/Feingold?
Lindy at 76 — I’ve got something coming up on that in a little bit. I was on the phone last night with Scout Prime talking about it — it is so devastating. I’m so sorry that this is such a mess for everyone, but I’m not certain that it is a done deal just yet…if we can do a bit of a push with Congress. We’re batting around some ideas, and if anyone else has any, I’d love to hear them.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 82
Done and done! Any other world problems you want to solve before I go get my second cup of coffee?
johnSwifty @ 83
Great combo! CHS for? A.G.? My gawd. I’d think I’d died and gone to Heaven.
I’d like to see Gore as head of the EPA where he could be focused specifically on the enviroment. I would love to see him lead the world on a specific mission to stop global warming. It would go a long way in restoring America crediabilty as global citizens.
Carter for Sec Def!
He will never kill anyone for an unjust and filthy war.
Pach 62
What a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing. You’re a gutsy guy.
well, I’m 65, therefore, of age, so I’ll choose to be comfy in my skin also, by leaving the public speaking to you. ‘kay?
I did have some fun with it, tho, a couple decades ago as a school board member. OH’s school system – oogh! – where does one start!?! Totally rotten at the state level, useless legislature fulla hacks, cowardly supremes who found the funding system unconstitutional twice in a row, and then decided on the 3rd go-round just to take a pass and not decide anything at all. Seriously! Unbelievable but true, and still stuck in that rut to this day. Very sad situation, to be sure.
Anyway, I DID get angry enuf in my days on the local BoE to attend and speak at every public forum I could find, up to & including state-level. When all else failed, I just publically blasted ‘em upside da head, I did I did! And it felt good – no qualms inwardly at all, but I had to do it all with that silly quaver in my voice. No harm, no foul! Cause, cool as a cuke inside, but sounding quavery to the listener, I got extra style points every place I spoke, for my, um, courage. Whatever works, eh? *g*
rumi @ 85
That would be just fine!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
I so love feingold and really want to reward him for being the first to frame our cause the way it needs to be framed, attacking the actions of this administration as being against the military and against national security
instead of defending our posititon, feingold gets it;
we need to RIDICULE the republican postition and as authorities, PUNISH their labored point of view.
attack and present, THAT’S the way our cause needs to be framed, NOT defend and whimper
anyway, if gore/clarke is a better ticket, could you tell me why?
angie @ 90
I like it!
Balrog @ 73
On “Break On Through” from the first album, does Morrison sing “She Gets High” instead of just “She Gets…”? I have a CD box set from a few years ago where he does. I didn’t realise the “High” was cut from the original release because it would inevitably cause the downfall of Western civilisation.
Balrog @ 79
I’ve been dazed & confused for so long it’s not true…
Feingold. A man of principle. A man with courage. A smart man. A good man.
And if CHS turns down AG? How ’bout Edwards?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
has the wurlitzer begun gathering swift boat crap against russ yet?
OK at 97 — I really loved Edwards the last time around. Has anyone heard anything about whether he is thinking about running again or not? If he’s done an exploratory committee announcement at some point, I missed it…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
btw guys, I think those swans are probably as close to domestic birds as swans would ever get. They do look all cozy and placid, no? Notice the youngsters in the middle (grayish heads). They grow up doing that gig. heh
Really cute picture.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 86
Christy, that would be great. I’m not sure it will help us though. These things move slowly. Still, some regulation of the cost of energy would be helpful. We’re (mostly) still running the shop on a generator right now, but there’s a FEMA trailer hooked to the temporary pole and we pay 2-3 hundred dollars a month. The electrician who was supposed to do all the paperwork for the inspection apparently financed his relocation in part with our money and we’re still not hooked up to the power grid. This is not an uncommon story here…both with utilities which require inspection and with actual construction work. There was a news story the other day about a lady who paid $43,000 to a contractor to level and shore her house. The contractor did such a poor job that the house started falling apart and had to be torn down.
Jimmy on now on MTP.
Jimmy Carter is a very good man.
As President, unusual circumstances and his lack of charisma, resulted in his being something of a disappointment.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 99
He was just on “Sunday Morning” hawking a book. I didn’t catch all of it but what I did catch he was being coy about running – his wife’s health issues were mentioned.
Pachacutec @ 62
As a straight guy, I spent most of my thirties raising a family and grinding the daily grind (and reading an awful lot); but it took the nefarious dealings of this current authoritarian administration to draw my interest towards political machinations. I guess I should thank the bastards; they led me to find firedoglake and wonderful people like yourself. Thanks, George. And thank you, Pach.
Q & A John Edwards
ok, another gorgous sunday in new york, a little nippy but still a nice day for outdoor tennis
so it’s off to the courts I go
enjoy sunday firedogs
Edwards faces debt as he looks to ‘08
old gold @ 103
Oh, I think he had a great deal of charisma, of a very intellectual nature. But, as someone commented earlier, the ‘me’ generation of the 1980s only wanted to view the world in terms of black and white. We still suffer from that foolishness today.
Don’t know about gutsy. The making of the sausage was a lot messier than what the story sounds like now. Did the best I could. Made mistakes. Hope not to make any more big ones.
Edwards is a fine man. I really admire him for taking care of business re: Iraq. And there are many other factors included in why I’d vote for this man in a heartbeat. I think he has at least a ’subteranean’ “exploratory”.
Edwards is so running, Christy. He’s got a book out now. Elizabeth just had a book out. He has his One America website and campaign. Appearances around the country, especially Iowa. Textbook. He’s never been not running.
Which is fine with me.
Just read that the St. Paul Co’s, one of the biggest commercial insurers, say they won’t renew business policies in NO as they come up for renewal. They lay the problem squarely on the levee.
johnSwifty @ 105
This IS a special place. Thankyou, guys, for your life choices. The world is a better place as a result. I see similar in our neck of the woods also. People are rising up, paying attention, and grabbing hold of the reins. FDL is helping immeasurably, imo. ;->
PeteCO @ 95
…and had the neocon side of the political spectrum imbibed to any degree, the inevitable mellow could have avoided our current disasters.
kerry on blitzer now
We have so much talent! And the other side has McCain and Mutt Romney.
g’ morning all…
ew! this Hadley is creepy in a Abu Gonzalez way…
perris @ 98
You can make bet on it.
OldCoastie @ 117
YEP. That’s why I, for one, am here, and our telly’s OFF. ;->
Gotta go brunch (wish I could play tennis, Minnesota does not cooperate).
Peace, friends. Out, here.
On Gore (who is my preferred pick)
http://draftgore2008.org/
omg, Jimmy is stunning on MTP and Timmeh is very, very quiet.
( a good thing, imho)
selise @ 75
I don’t know if you have it, i didn’t look through the whole page, but if the interview with blitzer where he said “I am responsible for taklng the initiative in creating the internet”, which was unequivicalbly true, and did NOT say “I invented the internet”, it would be good to link to that also
A small ritual to share. Each Sunday when ABC This Week lists the soldiers and Marines killed in Iraq and Afghanistan I stand as the scrolling goes on. Out of respect, out of sorrow, out of commitment.
This week, two sons of North Dakota are listed. Both were National Guard, upped to Army. One a rez kid. One a small town boy…both doing their duty as they saw it. May they rest in peace.
angie @ 122
You must be an hour behind me, angie. That’s what brought out the poet in me earlier. The man deals with truth in a strange and interesting way…he speaks it. Weird! Now I really gotta go.
Peace, out!
Hangie @ 122
He should leave more talking heads speechless, imho. It’s so good to hear a genuine explanation of that situation.
:)
Prairie Sunshine @ 124
you know what?
it would be an EXCELLANT ritual of the new members of congress did this publicly as well…maybe the should stand and read on the record…covered by c-span…take the lead IMMEDIATLEY on who respects with the highest regard the men and women in our armed forces
the repukelicans will be FORCED to follow along like the shaved and battered sheep
Prairie Sunshine @ 124
i always stand up and grab my face and my teary eyes when that memorial happens, too.
rumi @ 114
That’s why I find the media myth of Boomers being all peace, love & San Francisco circa 1967 so irritating. Most of the “administration” are Boomers, and so are a lot of people who voted for them.
Prairie at 112 — I just finished reading Elizabeth Edwards’ book, actually. I was asked to review it for a newspaper in her hometown — turns out the editor who contacted me reads here and thought my lawyer/mother perspective would be a good fit for the book. I thought it was exceptional — but it is a difficult read, because she is extremely candid and goes into detail about the loss of their son Wade. But for folks who have hit a rough patch or who are grieving a loss, I think this book, over time, will be very valuable as a resource because her frank discussion of how they work to try and move forward somehow while still keeping their child present day to day is very helpful.
perris @ 127
quoting myself because I like the idea so much…will start the email campaign first thing moday morning
kerry says he will vote to confirm robert gates
twolf1 @ 132
he iis skull and bones society I do beleive
twolf1 @ 132
poo.
we have much work to do.
twolf1 @ 132
Alito redux?
uggg…can’t get away from teh lake for my tennis
someone throw me out pleeze
perris @ 133
Yep. And large Dog?
twolf1 @ 132
Why anyone (particularly a self-described Democrat) would want any more Nixon Zombies in the government is beyond me.
“Where have all the flowers gone?”
perris – git.
Out the door.
Nothing really big is going to happen for the next hour, since it’s only 8:35 am PST and 11:35 am EST. I overslept, still groggy from too much sleep, been wandering around for an hour and half and still caffeinating.
Go. Git. Going.
Rayne @ 140
whew, thanx, now I can go…L8ter all
My Mama always told me the worst thing she could imagine was to have one of her kids passing before she did. Now, I have have a daughter, and Mom, you were right.
Christy @ 130. I’m looking at the book cover of Elizabeth Edwards’ book even as I write this. Real Life’s a tad unsettled right now, so I haven’t yet read it, but I have a high regard for Elizabeth and John Edwards both.
perris @ 123
my list starts at 2002, so i don’t have anything from the 2000 election cycle… there are plenty of resources for that debacle – not so much since then.
strangely, for me, doing the list was more about sharing al gore’s ideas and less about al gore (hope that makes sense).
seems to me that gore has been thinking deeply about a number of issues (not just the environment) and whether is he talking about the media, democracy, our constitution or the environment i found it interesting to pay attention not just to his ideas, but also to how he has been integrating them into his own world view.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 142
oh no, please tell me that your daughter is not in harm’s way!
My Mama told me the same.
angie @ 122
Missed this. Will look at replay on computer. Carter!
Prairie at 143 — It is a very difficult read. I had to put it down and pick it up again several times, and there were parts where I was literally sobbing into a kleenex as I read it. As a parent, it is so hard to even think about that sort of loss, and her breast cancer issues parallel a lot of things that we’ve had to deal with in my family. So it was a tough one for me. But oddly cathartic as a read as well. And that humor and respectful attitude that you got a feel for watching her on the campaign trail, it’s right there on the page in the book. Really recommend the read — not on a political purposes level, but just on a human level. I rarely enjoy memoirs because they are so often scripted clearly have an agenda of portraying things as only rosy or cheery, but this one is very blunt, very honest about the pain and the fear and everything. It’s a refreshing change from a lot of the political spin, frankly.
Why does Hadley remind me so much of Rupert Pupkin from Scorceses’ King of Comedy?
-GSD
Kerry said that he voted against Gates before he voted for him.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 146
please excuse the reminder, but for all the carter fans…. check out c-span2 in 15 minutes for their LIVE three-hour interview and call-in show.
angie @ 145
angie…
Oh no. She’s fine!!! She’s my little Princess.
You’re OK., angie.
OT.
R.I.P. The US has identified the remains of the airman missing in the F-16 crash in Iraq. Bush is pushing the 2,900 US troops dead mark shy by 6.
Also, Taliban claiming to have downed a NATO helicopter in Afghanistan.
Merry fucking Christmas.
-GSD
selise @ 150
Thank you.
GSD @ 149
Tee-hee. ;)
Latest FaBlog: Youssef Again and Forever
Lurking………………..
GSD @ 152
wonder if Putin’s old colleagues are returning our gift of Stingers to the
Talibanmujahadeenour brave Afghani allies against the Communists?Selise, if you were to go looking for Gore’s internets quotes, you might try The Daily Howler archives. Somersby was very hard on the media for the whole Let’s Pile On Al thing.
off to the farmers’ market, pups
good threading to you all…
selise @ 150
Will john conyers and the rest of the dem kewl kids call in to castigate Mr Carter for the title of his new book?
KM,
The rot that was the Taliban was a direct offshoot from our excursions into Afghanistan in the 80’s..as was the rise of the Sunni radical movement embodied by Bin Laden.
Can’t wait for the blowback from Iraq…..Kind of wonder if old Pootie Poot aint shipping out some of his missiles in order to payback the US for many Russian dead in Afghanistan. Not that Pootie would do such a thing, nice guy, with nice eyes that he is.
Also, Lieberdouche is looking to deploy more Liebertroops into Iraq and along the Iranian and Syrian border. You know, a few Lieber-divisions at the drop of a Lieber-hat.
-GSD
My guess wrt Kerry confirming Gates is that he hasn’t given up on his Presidential run.
From the AP article summarizing Hadley’s statements today, I thought this was revealing:
As I read this, Hadley has now equated “graceful exit” with the ISG recommendations with “cut and run.” Rather than keep the President’s options open, Bush’s National Security Adviser seems to have placed a huge political obstacle in front of the one most of Washington is counting on. They just keep digging.
klyde @ 160
i have been so disappointed in pelosi for her comments on carter’s new book. carter is not only accurate – imo, his views are much more supportive of the long term interests of the israeli people than pelosi’s ignorant support of the dangerous and wrong policies of the israeli government.
My objections to Hillary are not limited to the issue of her “electability” or lack thereof. I’m more worried about how she would govern if elected.
From the same article, it appears that Hadley is leaving the door open for some version of Murtha-type redeployment, which Bush had previously declared to be equivalent to “cut and run.” So they’re sending out conflicting and incoherent statements about what’s okay and what’s not okay to consider. They seem to be just flailing around.
Adviser: Bush Open to Rumsfeld ideas
New thread, gang.
John Casper @
162
Apparently not. The other day, he put out a statement saying it was time [for everyone else] to put the “botched joke” behind us. This is sad to watch.
FWIW, I thought Timmeh’s initial questions of Hadley were good, but Timmeh’s followups were completely ineffective. Hadley dodged the questions and Timmeh let him. At almost 3,000 US lives, numerous casualties, and $267,000,000/DAY, Timmeh can’t do that.
OT, really pissed at Warner for his, “we need to look forward.” Hey Mr. Liz Taylor, maybe if you had looked at all the previous Mister Taylors, you wouldn’t have made that globally stupid walk down the aisle. Past events are the best predictors of future events. Since Bush and the GOP
lied for naked political gain at the expense of US lives and dollarswere so wrong about Iraq, why trust them to fix it?twolf1 @
115
And Dumsfeld on Dasher.
scarecrow says
December 3rd, 2006 at 9:10 am*
“They seem to be just flailing around.”
Frank Rich, in today’s NYT,
“Whatever the reason, he is slipping into the same zone as Woodrow Wilson did when refusing to face the rejection of the League of Nations, as a sleepless L.B.J. did when micromanaging bombing missions in Vietnam, as Ronald Reagan did when checking out during Iran-Contra.”
http://roziusunbound.blogspot……ng-to.html
It’s going to become clearer and clearer to more and more people.
Looking at President Carter on CSPAN. This guy blows me away. He’s 82, I think.
I very humbly support those who have suggested an invitation be tendered for this giant to appear here. Mr. Carter indicates he forgives George Will. President Carter. A much, much better man than I.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 154
sad thing is, he DID pretty much say that
new thread
Balrog @ 170
nice!
On Cancer and Nixon.
-GSD
Carter is 82?!
Notice he never ages, bless him.
You tell-um Jimmy!
on Wolfowitz and Cheney!
gak.
halliburton is Santa …except without all that ‘giving’ stuff
angie @ 178
Foley on pagey
I watched Meet The Press with Stephen Hadley and as he spoke, I couldn’t figure out what he was saying!! Does he really think that the American Public is so stupid that he can talk in riddles and we will be impressed. I think not!!
(that we are that stupid)
“Morning all — Mr. ReddHedd did the early shift this morning so that I could have a sleep-in morning. Ahhh, glorious sleep. :) And, more cinnamon rolls when I came downstairs. Have I mentioned how lucky I am lately? *g*” Christy
It’s good to hear, and can’t hear good news too often or too much… may what you feel now make the world a little lighter somewhere.
“How about Gore/Feingold?” Rumi
Yes, now there’s an idea I can get excited about! And, the Fitz is perfect for AG!
Christy– I have a friend who lives near the cemetary where Elizabeth Edwards went every day to read to her dead son, Wade. One day, when my friend was out in her yard working, Elizabeth stopped and told her how much Peggy’s beautiful flowers comforted her when Elizabeth drove by on her way to the cemetary.
RE: Evan Bayh from Indiana, I worked on Capital Hill in a Republican Senator’s mail room in 1962-63. Some of the most hateful, racist and mysoginist mail came from #1-Texas and #2- Indiana.
I think Jimmy Carter is terrific. But, I think he’s too optimistic about the Middle East. IMO, from the end of Clinton’s administration we’ve basically given up on any deal with the Palestinians and are fully backing the Israelis (who are building their wall and killing brown skin folks) and we’re off onto other foreign policy objectives.
I don’t think there will ever be a deal, short of a negotiated peace between Israel and Palestinians at the end of a huge ugly war.
Of course, our other machinations in the Middle East are royally screwing up the world and that sort of minimizes the importance of talking about Israel’s continuous killing.