(Photo sent to me by Scout Prime from a recent trip to New Orleans, LA.)
If you live in a coastal area, or near any waterway that has ever flooded in its long history, or in an area where tornados or mudslides or other natural disasters have occured. Or if you have ever had wildfires in your area. Or made a claim on your insurance in any way. Or...well, if you are pretty much any person who pays into an insurance policy month after month, and expects that the insurance company will pay a legitimate claim if you ever have the need for such a payment, you had better listen up and listen good.
Scout Prime gave me a call last night, and we spent some time talking about a recent decision by a major commercial insurer -- Traveler's Insurance -- to pull their coverage out of the Southern Louisiana area beginning in March of next year. This is a devastating decision, because without commercial insurance most, if not all, construction companies will not be willing to risk construction. Without commercial insurance, most businesses will not be willing to risk re-opening. And that will be true even for areas that did not flood or sustain heavy damage -- because without some means of risk insurance, most businesses will simply move elsewhere -- even if they have never filed a claim in their history. As Scout says in an article that she wrote on the subject at First Draft:
The importance of this can not be overstated. If there is no insurance there is no rebuilding. George Bush can claim the levees are hunky dory but NOLA residents do not have faith in them and now we see neither does the insurance industry.
First and foremost, for NOLA, this is about the levees -- and the lack of any real push from the Bush Administration that the Army Corps of Engineers put any sort of priority into better engineering and rebuilding. There is no commitment from the Bush Administration whatsoever on this, and so insurance companies and businesses see no real incentive to rebuild or work within the community as a result -- for the lack of strong levees pretty much dooms NOLA to relive the nightmare that was Katrina if another strong hurricane ever hits the city again.
No strong levees equals no protection equals no New Orleans. And that is the truth of it.
What does that have to do with the rest of us? Athenae covers this well:
Next week, I expect, insurers will announce that they're pulling out of Chicago. Risk of fire, you understand, and in the final analysis it's not worth their time.San Francisco? Too many earthquakes. LA? Drought (or mudslides, take your pick). Kansas? Did you see the Wizard of Oz? No way is anybody going to be responsible for yet another town wiped off the map by a twister.
It snows a lot in Wisconsin and Minnesota; ice storms down trees and power lines, pipes burst in the cold. Anybody living near a river could get flooded anytime, so forget about it, those of you on the Mississipp. Fry the whole state of Maine, too; I hear they get Perfect Storms up there.
Look, I know somebody's gonna respond with risk-analysis graphs and such and I get it, I do, but the fact of the matter is that it's past time we stopped with the unconditional surrender in the class warfare that leads to these insurers saying eh, too bad, so sad, see ya later every time people actually need them to do what they exist to do and what you pay them every single month to do....
So my question is this. Who is going to stop them? Because somebody has to. We just elected a whole bunch of new congressmen and senators. Any of y'all out there not wholly owned subsidiaries of Allstate? I know since the campaign's over some of you have been lonely for the press coverage. Want an issue to pound away at? Want to be more than That Guy Who Isn't Barack Obama this year, with the added benefit that it'll help some of the Democrats who elected your ass? Step up to the plate. Somebody has to say, enough. Because pretty soon it'll be San Fran they're abandoning, Chicago, Indianapolis, Portland, Boise, Salt Lake. Pretty soon it'll be you, so when are you going to step up?
It's a good question. Who is going to step up? You think it's going to be Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Ins.) who, as the proposed head of the Homeland Security committee in the incoming Congress represents a state which houses a whole lot of big insurers who contribute to his campaign coffers? Yeah, me neither.
So who is it going to be?
Because, as the LATimes demonstrated in a recent article -- what the folks in NOLA and all over the Gulf Coast are dealing with in the aftermath of Katrina and Rita and their insurers -- is what any of us could be dealing with at any time. Insurance companies have long been in the business of not paying claims -- they make money by taking in monthly policy payments and then never having to pay anything back out again. It's called profit margin. And the profit margin gets eaten into with every paid claim, now doesn't it?
While I do not expect insurers to assume irrational or substantial risk for altruistic and idiotic reasons, I do expect some good faith on their part when the chips are down for their insureds. And that is where the tough questions ought to be asked of all sides in this mess. Starting with the Bush Administration and their failure to adequately address genuine questions about the levee construction in NOLA. Why are those questions not being asked?
Oyster, a local NOLA blogger, has as good an answer as any on this question:
Travelers is a huge insurer, and this decision may be the tip of the iceberg in terms of cancellations in South Louisiana. While this country is saddled with an open-ended commitment in Iraq, and a presidential commitment to explore Mars, the Feds have carefully avoided any commitment to Category 4 or 5 protection for South Louisiana-- an indispensable portion of America's "Energy Coast". We are rebuilding to Category 3 strength protection in a way that is unacceptable to the largest business-insurance provider in Louisiana.
New Orleans as a port city is essential to the workings of this nation: oil and other commodities are shipped in and out of its port every day. Likely a whole lot of things on the grocery store shelves, in your local department stores, fuelng your cars, and so on, came in and through NOLA. Those ports cannot be run without employees, who cannot live int he area without housing and stores and all sorts of other businesses to sustain their day to day existence. If they have to travel a great distance to get to work, their wages are going to rise, which will translate into a rise in prices for the things that we all use and buy. Beginning to see how this ripples outward?
But wait, there is more. As Scout Prime wrote this morning:
New Orleans is a major port for the US and South Louisiana is a major provider of natural gas, oil and refineries for that oil. The area has assumed great risk (coastal wetland destruction, Mississippi River Gulf Outlet) to provide goods and energy to the country. (for more go here) It all came crashing down on them with Katrina. Particularly the federal levees came down. The Army Corps of Engineers admitted it was their design failure that caused the levees to breach which in turn flooded the city.The people of New Orleans had assumed they were protected. They weren’t. Having assumed risks to meet the needs of the country they believed there would have been a recovery response equal to the destruction they have endured. It hasn’t. They thought we were all in this together only to be met this past 462 days with neglect and abandonment. Worse they have endured the slings and arrows of the Why Live There, Why Rebuild Below Sea Level crowd and ask are we truly alone in this? Does the rest of the country not realize the importance of our port and off shore resources? Was there not a social contract? Is this not the UNITED States of America?
The questions go unanswered. It ought to frighten us all. If a city of such economic importance, rich in cultural and historical significance can be laid to waste and perhaps laid to rest from lack of will and commitment to make the part whole again, then who among us is safe? The new Congress could go along way in demonstrating we indeed share in the risk and responsibility by addressing the rebuilding of the levees to Cat 5 protection and restoring Lousiana's wetlands.
There are a lot of issues tied up in this: environmental, developmental, economic, shared-risk, and so on and so on. Which means that there are a LOT of questions that need to be asked and answered, and then asked and answered again. What I would like to ask everyone this morning is how we can get the people who ought to be sitting up and taking notice of all of this to get off their butts and start asking them.
Because, let us take this a step further: this is the result of a category five hurricane for which there was several days of lead time and notice as we all watched it head toward land on the weather reports. Imagine, if you will, this same level of ineptitude and disregard for American citizens after a catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil -- say a nuclear device or some biological weapon. And then think about how we have had years -- YEARS -- since 9/11/01 to work on this, to put together some comprehensive planning, to have some immediate response up and ready to go...and then ask yourself how safe you feel about that after the catastrophic failure that was the Katrina response.
NOLA's fate could be all our fates. And it is well past time that we started demanding some accountability on this.
More on the insurance pull-out and it's impact on NOLA here.
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Good morning, Christy.
FITZ!
Mean old levee, taught me to weep and moan.
ReddHedd !!
Balrog @
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Got a Zep thing going on this morning?
scarecrow at 0 — good morning. Man, you sleep in, and everything takes longer to get going. Whew! This article took some serious reading this morning, and now I’m just mightily pissed off.
Difi on Blizter - my hope is she will really step up… the time is NOW.
President Carter on CSPAN now, thanks to a commenter on the previous post.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
CSPAN2 here
Great post Christy!! It really covers it all and there are many questions to discuss and answer.
The same abandonment happened to the people who suffered through Hurricane Andrew. They were deserted too. That was Poppy Bush. Katrina was a much more horrifying event to witness, but in both cases the people were left on their own. The main difference is that Baby Bush could have saved lives if he’d acted. He didn’t and people died who could have been saved.
In both cases Bushes reacted with the YOYO method (You’re On Your Own).
I have no doubt that any victims of a real terrorist attack would also be on your/their/our own.
And yet they’ve been paying to rebuild Florida over & over for years. What about all those nice beach houses in South Carolina that get washed away all the time? I don’t believe companies are going to stop insuring vast swathes of the US-they’d go bust.
PeteCO @ 5
So it would seem. That and my Doors box set.
You guys end up with a lot of snow?
scout at 10 — thanks — coming from you, that means a lot. I tried to weave in a lot of what we talked about last night. But I kept getting so pissed off as I was reading all of the articles, so I hope this didn’t come out ranty. Grrrr….
Christy at 14…no I don’t think it is ranty at all. Your question of what do we need to do to get action is just where we need to be. With a new Congress there is hope…so what do we do…..
ranty is good.
imho.
I am so very sick of those who clutch their pearls and are too bored to listen to the truth.
well done, Christy!
San Francisco’s Emergency Plan’s gone online since Katrina, because our City realized if NOLA’s horrors happened after five days of warning, then an earthquake would leave us on our own for at least 72 hours. We’ve worked through most of these pages at our house, hoping to be ready, and I recommend it to others who think preparedness might ease their lives. It’s eased ours.
The social contract is nowhere more shredded than along the Gulf Coast, unless we look at the shredding done to military or reserve families, or the shredding done to Palestinian and Israeli families, or the shredding done to Iraqi and Lebanese families.
The world needs to face the fact that no one’s done more damage than George W Bush and his compassionate cronyists to the Earthling social contract.
Troops
Home
NOW
Pelosi 2007!
Balrog @ 13
Not bad, just damn cold-9 degrees right now.
A 1/3 of the NOLA transit workers were laid off the week of the NOLA Monday Night Football game at the dome. The statement was that there are no homes for workers, there are jobs to be had in NOLA but no where for the workforce to live there for no one to ride the transit system.
My boyfriend was working that game as a freelancer for ESPN, staying on the 12th floor of the Westin Hotel, said he could see huge piles of garbage, overturned cars and houses pushed off their foundations 13 months after Katrina.
Explanation from my Property Causality insurance carrier is that the country is divided into regions where they do their rating for risk and premium rates. So when California has a big grass fire with loss of property, my rate in the next state over goes up.
Speaking of risk and insurance… Whose idea was that?
All fine and good to share the risk so people don’t get blown away by disaster… but… insurance is a for profit business… essentially making money off of misery.
How about non profit insurance companies.. or pooling risk so wide that it “insurance” is affordable and we don’t constantly enable the fast to cancel and slow to pay insurers.
I know .. I know… Lots of insurance is a result of lawsuits which often exceed the real harm suffered. I am not talking frivilous lawsuits, which there are… but lawsuits where someone gets hundreds of thousands of dollars for a stiff neck.
The whole system seems to be one of spiraling costs which even put the cost of insurance outside the reach of people who probably most need it.
If there’s one industry I really dislike as being a usuless bloodsucking do nothing industry it’s insurance. They are leeches on the health care system doing absolutely nothing except create paperwork, barriers and problems…. 99% of the time. Single payer national health is the way to rid us of these leeches.. but they won’t let go of all that easy cash…
Am I in the minority in dispising this industry?
The Times-Picayune’s map of the levee progress is here.
http://www.nola.com/katrina/pd.....ection.pdf
TeddySanFran at 14…I would think every mayor and governor must have had the fear of God in them watching the initial Katrina response
The biggest lobbying group, by far, are the ‘non-connected’ people. For instance. Folks like me.
DefJef — no.
katymine at 19 — it is such a mess. Tim Tagaris, who is down in NOLA covering the run-off election and Katrina issues for MyDD right now was telling me the other day how otherworldly some of the areas look, this far out from the hurricane. And I would bet that a lot of that is because there is nowhere for people to live to come back and do clean-up. It is such a mess. I heard on NPR the other day something about hundreds of FEMA trailers being damaged by weather and now unusable because they were left outside and I was thinking “Um…weren’t people supposed to be able to LIVE in those things?” Arrrrrrgh…the whole thing just makes me so pissed off on so many levels.
TeddySanFran @ 24
You are not alone.
scout prime @ 22
Personally, I realized that if NOLA’s inhabitants were disposable to this Misadministration, then so were SanFran’s.
I don’t think you were ranty, Christy. You just laid it out as it is. The insurance companies have a contract with their policy holders. They just need to keep their word.
On another note. I know I am naive, but I don’t understand why insurance companies have to make a profit at all. Why not non-profit insurance companies? That way, all they have to do is cover their operating costs. The rest goes to the corpus for insuring the policies.
I have tried with photos and video to convey the scope and degree of destruction but it is almost impossible. One has to see it. It is beyond Third World….it is Other Worldly
I’ve heard it said if the levees give way in the Sacramento Delta it will make N.O. seem like an afternoon nap.
If this be a Sunday Morning ReddHedd Rant, more please!
Play on.
The local government initiative here in NYC is the Go Bag — which contains the pre-packed essentials you’re supposed to grab as you race out the door in the face of the next terrorist attack.
Carter now on Blizter
Oklahoma kiddo at 30…there needs to be more government oversight of the Army Corps of Engineers and Congress needs to stop treating it as it’s favorite pork trough….getting projects for their districts (some of which are terrible) while others are neglected
Just like the open hole in NY. This is the ongoing sign of incompetence, greed, guilt and complicity of the Bush/Cheney/Norquist “fuck-em” fantasy of small, no-fault government.
Bush has left a trail of tears in his wake. He has no conscience whatsover.
Maybe he’ll head down again when needs a boost up from 25% in the polls.
-GSD
OldCoastie @ 33
He’s still on CSPAN2. How can he be two places at once? ;)
On Daschle, on Blitzer.
-GSD
scout prime @ 34
I know they were studying the Dutch plan for 100 year floods. What ever happened to that? (or was that 1,000 year floods?)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 5
Well, if this is what you do when you “sleep in,” then I suggest you sleep in more often. This is excellent.
There seem to be several issues going on. One is the natural financial incentive insurance companies have to limit payment of claims. That’s to be expected, as long as there is a check on this. The natural check on that is either goverment oversight of claims decisions — some independent review board where both parties can get quick resolution of valid vs bogus claims — or litigation, in which the insured sues the insurance company for “bad faith” in refusing to pay a claim. Juries then provide the check. Note that the Bush regime has tried to cripple both of these checks on bad faith by insurance companies: (1) it has refused to perform the regulatory function (or appointed industry hacks to regulator positions [in all regulatory agenices]) and (2) it has attacked the litigation check by going after class actions law suits and trial lawyers. So it’s no wonder that a huge part of this problem is increasing “bad faith” on the part of insurance companies.
The larger problem you correctly emphasize is the unwillingness of the federal government to perform its essential police powers function — provide for public safety. By not sufficiently investing in the levees, they increase the risks, and the private insurance companies will quite understandably withdraw from the business. Private companies do not and can not exist to subsidize uneconomic risks — in any business. So once again, we find the federal government failing to do its job — this time, in creating/sustaining the conditions in which businesses can sustain themselves. This part is not the insurance companies’ fault; it’s the government’s — including the Congress, but particularly the Bush regime.
Scout prime is absolutely correct that this destructive, anti-government attitude that permeates the Bush/Republican regime is a serious threat to all of us. Governments provide the necessary underpinnings for public safety and economic activity, and this administration is simply not doing it’s job on either front — anywhere.
George W. Bush, killing America, one youth at a time.
-GSD
scout prime @ 34
I left Nola about 14 years ago, but recall at the time that the local levee boards were packed with wannabe political hacks. Do you know whether there’s been any change post-Katrina? Or have the locals been cut out entirely from the rebuilding process?
This is really terrific and thoughtful work, thanks to both Scout Prime and Christy.
From a competitive perspective, the best thing to happen to German and Japanese steel industries was WWII. They rebuilt with state of the art technology and kicked the crap out of US Steel industries, which were all built on much earlier technological platforms. To use one of Bush’s favorite terms, NOLA is now the central front in the battleground between environmental, energy, and economic policy. As Scout Prime and Christy highlight, NOLA is an irreplaceable center for oil and refining. Not rebuilding is not an option for the Nation.
It is still possible for us to turn the disaster that was Katrina into an opportunity to create a sustainable, environmentally acceptable NOLA. Unfortunately, we will have to do that in spite of the Executive Branch.
I wish I could stay but I have to run to work now.
Remember it is not too late for New Orleans but we need to get action from the new Congress particularly regarding levees and wetland restoration.
This decision is a very real consequence of global climate change and environmental degradation of the delta. Although the Bush administration doesn’t consider science when making decisions corporations do: their fiduciary responsibility to shareholders requires that they utilize the best available information. Insurance companies have been interested in global warming and its likely effects on hurricane frequency and strength for more than 10 years now. If they thought that the environment (in the hurricane/flooding sense) in Orleans parish was one that could be managed they would assess the risk and write policies. They’ve looked at the data and decided that if you need insurance in that part of the world you can’t afford it.
The Bush administration is fond of prattling on about the costs of addressing global climate change. If coastal (and many mountain resort) small business owners understood how they were being thrown under the bus they would be outraged. The costs of not addressing climate change may well be catastrophic.
Does anyone see the failure of the federal system / states rights when something like Katrina strikes?
Remember how the pukes tried to blame the state for what happened … a strange way of acknowledging the disaster… blame it on the state. eh?
The of course we have the work done by the Army Corps of (incompetant) engineers who should be liable for something… no? And of course they get a do over and we pay YET AGAIN.
Why can’t there be a nice multi billion dollar class action suit by the victims of NOLA naming the ACE, the insurers, FEMA etc for gross negligence? You can tell I am not a lawyer.. but why file claims and wait like idiots for these jerks to diss you again and again.
They need some mean nasty lawyers who will take them for 30-40 billion… eh? At least they might get with the program.
Insurance is certainly an ongoing problem here in south Louisiana. However, I would have to disagree that nothing is being done with respect to the levees. A lot of work has been completed within the last year to strengthen the levees on the south shore of Lake Pontchartrain (which I see every working day) and in other areas as well. I believe they are working on a July 2007 deadline to complete the levees to a previously authorized height for protection up to a Cat 3 hurricane, with longer-range plans (2010 completion date) to get to Cat 5 levels for the Lake Pontchartrain basin. (Cat 5 levees would be as much as 26 feet above sea level … absolutely enormous structures.) USACE has fallen on their sword and taken responsibility for the levee failures, but truthfully a lot of local agencies and politicians are due a heavy share of blame, which so far has largely been ignored. The levee boards were some of the worst culprits, along with the New Orleans Sewerage & Water Board. The levee boards failed to provide adequate oversight and quality control on the levee construction projects, which were their responsibility. They also failed to properly inspect and maintain the levees that were in place. I do agree that only the Federal government has the resources to fix the problems, and I think USACE recognizes this and has taken the blame because in some measure doing so allows them to take more control of fixing the problem. They still have the unenviable task of dealing with the local governments and agencies, many of whom have different agendas. It’s not going to be easy, or cheap.
All that aside, there is another difficulty: south Louisiana is sinking, and building ever-larger levees won’t change that. There are some areas where a rational person would not permit rebuilding. Local politics and passions have largely prevented anyone from developing and implementing a more rational rebuilding plan, and what rebuilding has occurred has been patchwork and piecemeal. Bluntly, it’s an ongoing disaster. But how do you tell people the land they lived on for 4-5 generations is unsuitable for rebuilding? How do you convince those with valid reasons to mistrust the motives of the powerful that you are not simply aiming to dispossess them of what little they had? There is a leadership void at all levels of government, but I suspect that Jesus Christ could walk on water up the Mississippi to the steps of Gallier Hall and present The Plan, and most people here would either argue or ignore it and continue doing what they were already doing.
There was a CSpan panel discussion after the first anniversary of Katrina which had people who did some investigations reporting of the disaster.
The one thing that I took away from that is how badly FEMA failed America. BushCo FEMA is 100% dedicated to dealing with terrorism, not disasters. BUT America has a 100% chance of a hurricane, 100% chance of a earthquake, 100% chance of a flood, Calif & other western states are 100% chance of forest/brush fires.
Why would FEMA spend it’s resources on something that has a chance rate of 1 in 64,000 VS something that has 100% chance of occurring?
Welcome from Bush’s World!
Yes there has been change with the levee boards. Voters passed referendum to consolidate them…a very good move.
As for the Dutch I think it is at least a 1000 years probably more. They have an excellent system. And London also
As someone who has good reason to know how dishonest insurance companies are relative to medical claims, I was disgusted but not surprised when I saw this in the news.
The entire insurance industry is nothing but a legally mandated scam.
So, clutching my pearls :-), I will spend some time this week trying to find a way to move my homeowners insurance away from Travelers to another place. And when I do, I will let Travelers know why they’ve lost a (very small) piece of business.
Scout at 43 — thanks so much for stopping in today. Really appreciate it!
You bet Christy. Thanks for posting this!
I’ll try to stop back in a bit
The Post had a good article on the broader implications of obtaining insurance in the post Katrina world. Allstate is no longer writing homeowner policies for the boroughs of Manhattan, Westchester county and Long Island.
The way to handle disaster claims is for the feds to pay out immediately to the claimants… ie insert themselves in the middle between the insured and the insurers.
Then the Feds go after the insurers to recover the claims paid…. add on some fees for processing them and even seize the Insurance Co’s portfolios / assests until the accounting has been cleared by the auditors…
A few experiences like that might get the insurers to be more responsive…
Reluctance to insure in areas especially susceptible to impacts from global climate change could actually be a very positive sign:
http://tinyurl.com/y5fl77
That’s not to suggest that our government is awake — clearly the President is asleep when it comes to climate — and that the manner in which insurers withdraw from markets is precise, fair, nuanced etc etc. But do YOU want to insure people to rebuild in flood zones? Maybe something like big capital taking climate change seriously will help awaken the President and others. (Not likely for GW, I fear.)
BenM @
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Thanks for the Post link. I was trying to remember where I read that 54% of Americans live within 50 miles of a coast.
I still think it’s about race and class in NOLA. We’ve heard it so many times but it think it still rings true: would the response have been the same if this had happened in Salt Lake…or my sweet little rich white-bread town…
Natural disaster in NOLA is the perfect storm and the perfect chance to clean that place up, take it away from all those black and “lower” class folks.
Problem is, this administration’s so inept that they can’t even get this done. They can’t plan and execute rebuilding Iraq, and they can’t plan and execute rebuilding NOLA, even if the wet dream was to make it into a Disneyland New Orleans.
I don’t blame you for being righteously pissed off this morning Christy. Seems we should all get angry about this and do some long-term leaning on our political leadership.
I started to compose a post about for profit insurance, shared risk vs redlining, and what a huge pyramid scheme it really is - but I started hyperventilating so bad I had to stop. >:(
The anger is good, very much deserved.
But I think we are missing something else here.
The articles about St. Paul discontinuing coverage due to hurricane exposure should be encouraging us to ask what St. Paul’s position is on writing coverage in other hurricane exposures, like Mississippi, Texas and Florida (states with Republican leadership, I might point out).
If St. Paul was justifying pull out based on hurricane exposures alone, why is it not doing a pull out from all of these states?
Is this not a form of redlining? How do we know it’s not?
There’s another component here in play as well; each state has its own insurance regulatory agency. What makes Louisiana’s agency different from these other states? What did Florida do in the wake of Hurricane Andrew that prevented the flight of businesses from a state that has been battered numerous times since Hurricane Andrew? And what about Hawaii — what makes HI more appetizing than Louisiana?
There’s more going on here than broken levees.
CSpan panel video discussion on Katrina
Katrina’s liability implications.
Great article Redd—
I recognize that insurance companies and lawyers get along in much the same way as Lions and antelope- but you just ran up the score!!
Insurance is a capitalist invention. Think on that one for a bit.
This is the kind of thinking that gives you interest and fees… (now on virtually every transaction you make).
Concepts like “hedge funds”… gambling for the ultra rich… Venture capital for stealing ideas when you have nothing but lots of money… Inflation because you have interest… or is it interest because you have inflation…
How about share value which has little to do with the value of a business… and more to do with the perception of it?
Christy, thanks for this informative post.
I went down to Pascagoula in September and met some folks that live down there.
Their insurance company was witholding payment of their claim by stating they didn’t have “flood” insurance. They did not differentiate between a flood as we know it, which is primarily a gravity-driven water event due to a ton of rain or a dam failure; and this wind-driven water event, Katrina, basically blew the Gulf of Mexico to a depth of 10-12 feet through their town in spite of said gravity. I don’t have the number, but I’m quite sure that 10-12 feet of rain did not fall on Pascagoula.
Now I’m also sure that the insurance companies have weasel words in their policies to dodge payment of claims, but the commonly understood definition of a “flood” does not apply to Katrina, at least on the Mississippi coast.
Watching Carter on C-Span and reading here. What a wonderful Sunday!
From the NOLA article:
So they’re still going to insure LARGE commercial properties? Like oil refineries and platforms perhaps? I smell a huge, stinking rat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
yeppers.
Rayne, I agree. There’s a piece of this puzzle we don’t know about and I dread finding out what it is.
Can the Dems jump-start the rebuilding? How? We’ve signalled to our big rebuilders - Halliburton, Parsons, etc. - that we don’t care what kind of shitty job they do, they’ll still get paid. They’ll go to NOLA and whine about big mosquitos, alligators and swamp gas, hey this is too hard, and do sub-standard work, collect their money and go home, after hiring tens of thousands of Texans, Missourians and even OKans instead of NOLAns.
I don’t unerstande why there’s not a national groundswell to DO SOMETHING . Perhaps they think It Can’t Happen Here, to them. We know better. As we used to say about my sprout:
Bare butt for the grace of God go I.
(he was really cute)
Jane Hamsher quoted in Baltimore Sun profile of Keith Olbermann. h/t Siun!
Excerpt:
I don’t see this as a good sunday when people are being slaughtered and still homeless in places like NOLA.. when the cops gun down a black man with 50 bullets after promising this wouldn’t happen again after Diallo.
The poor and now the middle class are being destroyed by the capitalist class.. every single minute and hour and day in this country.
The disenfranchised are sent to slaughter in Iraq… and we have ghettos in this rich nation which is hardly better than third world nations…
And we do nothing about the genocide in Darfur.
Don’t take toothpaste with you when you air travel NOR hair gel. We are in a GWOT…
DefJef - umm, what’s your point?
Insurance is a method by which a company can manage risk, while others assume their risk in exchange for potential profits.
Capitalist? Sure. But insurance can and does work.
The problem here is inequities in risk distribution; at what point are people asked to take on risk that should be distributed not only to commercial entities that specialize in risk management and mitigation, but across the entire public? At what point is there a compelling public interest in assuring equity in the insurance business?
It’s not unlike banking and respective lending practices; at what point do practices become usury, and when does the public intervene?
Hedge funds are another form of risk mitigation; having read numerous hedge contracts, they can be virtually identical to insurance contracts. It’s not gambling in the substantive majority of cases; it’s a calculated effort to mitigate risk exposures.
Ask any small business owner whether he’s gambling when he buys general liability or health insurance. Is he? Or is he mitigating risks?
AirportCat @ 46
Thanks. Informed, thoughtful. So it would seem that one thing to do would be to promote a network of smart, progressive, reality-based (and honest) set of politicians to elected and appointed posts in the local area. Take back the local offices. Sounds like very difficult jobs, with slow/limited progress for the next two decades. But. With a team of this sort working together, maybe something that approaches fair could be hammered out.
You are right, DefJef– ergo my malaise since the election, but I love and cherish FDL and Jimmy Carter.
Agh. I’m in mod again. Wonder what word triggered it? Or if it’s because I’m at a different PC on the same network?
[Mod note; suffice it to say it’s not that you’re working from a different PC]
Mommybrain I have wondered where the groundswell is also. I’m not sure if people have felt so powerless?
And I think many believe the rebuilding is going well.
On my last return flight from NOLA the woman next to me said “It looks good down there doesn’t it”
she never got out of the central busines district or French Quarter
Oh, yeah. I also checked out Trent Lott’s (R-dumbass) yard and there was nothing left but a foundation. Way to lead the rebuilding effort by example, dude. Maybe you can start with the porch and get chimpy down there to sit and contemplate his legacy for the next couple of years.
RE Insurance Companies and weasel words:
Not in the same league, but I had surgery many years ago and jumped through all of Blue Cross’s requirements - second and third opinions, letters from each doctor along with opinions, approval from BC 10 days prior.
Three weeks after, the hospital started calling me for payment. BC had refused to pay because one of the doctors used a signature stamp on her letter instead of a original.
It was eventually straightened out, they got paid, and then it happened again, same story just a different niggling reason to not pay ( the hospital didn’t itemize their bill in the way they like it).
THey count on a certain percentage of people being too poor, too sick, too uninformed to challenge them. And they lie about it.
Insurance is gambling. You can never hit the insurance jackpot. The game is rigged.
Any day is a good day when ideas are being discussed.
I apologize if this was noted before but Jane Hamsher was quoted in this article about Keith Olbermann in my Sunday paper and it mentioned his participation in the comments here a while back.
Trent Lott is part of a class action lawsuit against his insurance company.
Also introduced some insurance reform legislation about a month ago…I haven’t read it though
Gene Taylor is trying to do something other than rebuild Lott’s porch and refurbish his noose.
http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/
Thanks, dear mod, appreciate the assist.
Forgot to refresh the browser, my bad!
Compare. President Carter to George Bush.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 80
my brain just exploded!
angie - appreciate that on Gene Taylor; that should be the list of Action Items for every legislator in the Gulf Region.
try getting coverage in the Ny City, Brooklyn and long Island area.
Somebody last year designated this a high risk area for hurricanes last year and getting insurance, once yours ended was near impossible for some people.
Bravo, Siun! More from the Olbermann article.
Clip that and put it in your notebook, Scooter. ;)
Thanks for another good post Christy. Hard as it is to read, it must have been #%&& to research and write.
Your ‘rant-y’ is spot-on for this topic imo. What earthly good could possibly come from sugar-coating at a time like this?!
Now’s a perfect time to lean on Dems, that other gang across the aisle, & even the [I=I”tweenkies”] - oldies & newbies alike, don’t-cha think? Give em a lil’ time to git organized - uh - and sworn in fgs, but why not start peppering them in the meantime with facts, sources, ideas and possibilities, show a little muscle…. eh?
anyone hear of that nifty tool, “spotlight”? ;->
Any FirePup in Minneapolis area? How’s the weather? Spouse has to fly in tonight for a meeting tomorrow. Wondered if I should rush out and get him some longjohns appropriate for business suits…
Heh.
Rayne @ 82
and beyond. ;)
you’re welcome.
I love President Carter’s facial expression upon hearing a question.
angie 88 — true, that…like an action item list for the legislators who represent 54% of Americans living within 50 miles of shoreline.
Or those who live in earthquake zones or near rivers or in Tornado Alley or in blizzard country…
Yeah, so were the folks I spoke with.
Bet he wouldn’t have signed the reform legislation one is his house didn’t float away.
scout prime @ 77
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
It’s like a little one on Christmas morning! Just so open and joyful.
And the bolo tie.
TeddySanFran @ 67
JANE! Hear Hear! Perfect!
if his
angie @ 92
Well said.
Another great post, Christy.
I saw a Frontline (IIRC) episode about federally guaranteed insurance for hurricane-prone coastal areas (barrier islands), which was substantially subsidized by the Gov’t. The main point was, why do we want to subsidize rebuilding in such areas when they will be predictably destroyed again?
I get that the situation in NOLA is different and how vital the Port is to our economy, but my thought is:
Perhaps the insurance industry is looking for similar guarantees in NOLA and other areas. It would really help the bottom line…
On the New Orleans question and insurers, Google the Drum Major Institute website. They did a seminar type study of insurance malfeasance and how to stop it perhaps a year or so ago. Unfortunately, I gave away my printed transcript to a politician who was interested.