
I am so pleased that Bill Scher joins us for an FDL Book Salon on his book Wait! Don't Move to Canada: A Stay-and-Fight Strategy to Win Back America today. Bill is the Executive Editor at Liberal Oasis, and appears regularly on Air America -- but he is also an outstanding liberal/progressive voice and a former PR guy, so he knows a lot about the whole image and meme and framing discussions that need to be had, about which we talk frequently here at FDL and all over the progressive blogosphere.
And, I am hoping, a discussion that we can kick-start even more here today.
Bill's book is fantastic -- and a lot of the ideas in it give you hands-on approaches to tackling political problems and demanding accountability from your elected representatives. It begins by examining what it means to be a liberal -- by taking a peek at a fantastic speech given by JFK back in 1960, which is still as relevent today as it was back then:
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
I previously quoted a portion of that speech here on FDL a couple of weeks ago on the anniversary of JFK's death, and it is worth a re-read in its entirety if you are not familiar with the speech. John F. Kennedy was a man who understood not only the power of words, but that the use of them took away power from those who would seek to use them against you. This is a lesson on which current leadership in the Democratic party ought to take copious notes.
One thing that Bill makes clear in Wait! Don't Move To Canada! is that we have for far too long allowed the conservative smear of the word "liberal" to stand unchallenged. Democratic politicians tap dance around using the label (the Dukakis vignette that Bill shares in the book is spot on), and far too often "progressives" shy away from the label as well. Politicians will not start reclaiming the label unless they feel like folks have their back -- isn't it about time we all dusted off the "liberal" label and wore it proudly? Hell, conservatives don't shy away from labelling themselves "conservative," and they are currently led by George W. Bush. We can at least hold our heads high and say "I didn't vote for him, and you can call me his opposite any day."
Please.
"Hello, my name is Christy. And I am a proud liberal." (See, it's not so hard.)
Bill's background in PR work, prior to his start in blogging, gives him a great deal of experience and a unique persepctive from which to view the importance of language and its powerful uses for communicating a targeted message -- as opposed to allowing the conservatives and wingnuts control the language. It is essential that we learn how to be on offense in terms of messaging and language, because to cede that field only puts on squarely on the defensive, in a weakened position, time and time again. And to do that allows someone else to control the direction and priorities, because the Democratic party is then forced to consistently defend itself instead of proposing policies that the other side must defend against.
One of my favorite aspects of Bill's book is the practical applications that he finds for applying these theoretical communications questions. Take, for example, the questions of "big versus small" government as compared to "ineffective versus effective government."
It is essential for us to make the case that without a representative, responsive and responsible governing body, there are some things we just can't do, like effectively educate our kids and care for our elders, preserve our environment so we can live healthy and enjoyable lives, and protect our towns and cities from the horrors of natural disasters. If conservative forces succeed in continuing to erode our trust in what we can accomplish together through government, our expectations and standards will wither, our government will disintegrate from lack of support, and too many of us will fall through society's cracks. (p. 37)
Well, that pretty much sums up the opposite end of the spectrum from Grover Norquist's desire to drown government in a bathtub, doesn't it? As Bill says in the book, two great ways of reframing the discussion are (1) to find ways wherein government is doing a good job, and to use those effective means of government as the foundation for a discussion with others on what good government can be; and (2) where government is not working effectively, instead of blaming it "on government" blame it on the poorly designed programs and discuss ways in which reforms could make the situation better. Often the problem is not a particular agency or program, but the pork-barrel riders and restrictions placed on the agency trying to implement a well-intentioned program that got hijacked along the way by cronyism and special interests.
As usual, sunshine and accountability are vital to success on this.
One of the more eye-opening aspects of this book is the results of the Greenberg survey on taxation that Bill cites more fully beginning on page 45. A full 84% of Americans agreed with the following statement: "I don't mind paying taxes because my taxes contribute to making sure we have public schools, clean streets, public safety and a national defense, and a cleaner environment." Not exactly what you hear from the punditocracy on Sunday morning news show, now is it? But honestly, wouldn't we all be happier if our tax dollars were headed to programs which were effective, targeted and showing results, which helped our communities as a whole, and which gave us a good return for our investment in our communities and our nation?
Of course, we would.
The disagreement comes in with regard to which programs fit this and, we're in luck, because Wait! Don't Move to Canada! has some ideas on that as well. One of the biggest areas of disagreement throughout the Bush years has been "culture war" issues. Since Karl Rove and his cronies at the RNC have had no scruples in terms of leveraging Jesus for political gain, we have witnessed a wholesale politicization of some aspects of churchgoing and some battles being waged over issues on which, fundamentally, a majority of Americans agree for the most part -- but are convinced through some very effective snake oil and tap dancing to think otherwise.
One of the main beneficiaries of this smoke and mirrors game the last few years has been the placement of some very conservative judges on the federal bench.
We spent a lot of time on the Roberts and Alito fights here at FDL, and across the liberal blogosphere, so our regular readers will know about that -- but it hasn't been only the US Supreme Court where this battle has been waged. Each and every time you hear a GOP politician say the words "activist judge," you should be prepared with the facts on who is really legislating from the bench: let's just say that Clarence Thomas has some 'splaining to do. Helpfully, Bill lays a lot of that out for you in clear terms, and offers some ideas on how to combat this sort of spin.
The phone calls that we have advocated each and every time a nomination has come to the floor haven't won the day on every nomination, but they are beginning to have an effect on how hard a lot of our elected representatives are willing to push for liberal principles and to stand up for the Constitution.
What we CAN do is to continue this fight for every issue to come -- and to make them understand that we will not abandon our principles any more than the other side will abandon theirs.
Bill puts forward a lot of fantastic, practical, and common sense ideas for a hands-on effort for liberals all over the country to be able to make a difference. From ideas on how to make local grassroots groups more effective, to guidelines for better letters to the editor, to confronting media bias, to finding ways of funding liberal outlets for alternative media and pushback.
...As Daou notes, the blogosphere gives individuals a medium to "put pressure on representatives." "Pressure" does not always take the form of brute force; it can also be applied with constructive criticism. And "representatives" does not only mean your elected representatives. Organizations that are spearheading the liberal movement are indirectly representing you when they campaign for goals that you support.They need to hear from us. They need to hear from people with an outsiders' perspective who can spot things that myopic insiders miss. They need to hear when they are doing stuff right, and when they are doing stuff wrong so they'll get better.
So, when you notice liberal leaders failing to communicate uniform messages on a particular issue, or focusing on separate issues when they should be joining forces on a pressing issue, point it out to them. Nudge them to get on the same page. Constantly remind them that unless we are coordinated at the top, we will not be able to articulate a compelling vision of America -- and, conversely, an unappealing vision of a conservative America -- and have it be clearly heard throughout today's cluttered and manipulated media landscape.
Sound familiar? We do this every week somewhere across the liberal blogosphere, and without the institutionalized funding support that the conservative foundations set up long ago to fund their Wurlitzer of conservative blogs, think tanks and mouthpieces. We have a long way to go -- but we are working on it, and discussions like this one do a lot to further that work.
One way that we have tried to leverage this new concept of grassroots action was through our Blue America candidates list, which had some great success this past election cycle. Through the genius of ActBlue, lots of blog communities and netroots groups across the counrty were able to do the same thing -- and to help candidates $10 at a time, one reader at a time, to purchase postcards and radio time and all the other things that make a small-time campaign a more effective one.
Wait! Don't Move To Canada! is a book that I cannot recommend enough. It's a quick read, but one that you'll pick up over and over again for ideas on what you can do -- and how you can say what you need to say -- to make your activism more effective.
The big lesson from this book -- and from the last election cycle -- that I hope we all take away is this: if you see a problem, you cannot sit back and wait for someone else to take care of it. We have all got to learn that everyone has to step up to the plate. If you see something that isn't working well, try and fix it. If there is a local organization that isn't doing the job effectively, get involved with it and try and make it better -- or start your own group to counteract the bad one if it is beyond saving.
Just don't move to Canada -- try fixing things here first, instead. And now, please join me in giving a big welcome to Bill Scher.
[As always with Book Salon threads, please stay on topic with the discussion below. Please be polite and give a big welcome to Bill. If you have issues you'd like to discuss which are off-topic, please do so in the prior thread. Thanks! -- CHS]
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Fitz! And FDL…
I’m also hoping I can pick up some tips on how to help us Dems survive and prosper down here in the deep South…
Is 3 at the top a record? I’m going to drop downstairs and let them know I’m talking to myself…
Now we’ll see if anyone trots up the stairs…
Bill has always been one of my favorite bloggers — his ability to think very pragmatically and concisely has always made him a great source of inspiration for me. And I love the book. I’m really glad he’s here today to discuss it.
(As always, please remember to keep Book Salon conversation on topic — if you want to talk about something else, feel free to do so in the previous thread.)
I promise to buy your book tomorrow (I will!!). Give me the top two reasons I shouldn’t move to Canada. I am so depressed about my (formerly) wonderful country!!!
Welcome Bill! And yay, Marion — quick typing!
Bill -
What do you think of the idea that the GOP will become a regional party?
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As for me (going for a record [?] 5 here… I make it my business to engage the more reasonable conservatives at work, and they’re starting to come around. Humor helps…
well I just arrived, haven’t been downstairs so welcome!!
With out finding like minded souls on line, I would have thought about moving to Canada a lot. But I am still pretty depressed by our media and by folks who know they are right…
any words of hope?
Hellllooooo, Bill!
My name is watertiger (well, not really), and I’m a proud progressive.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
It’s what I get paid for… That and being what I call myself: The Office Crypto-Commie…
My local cable access channel has been running Ed Begly Jr.’s symposium on 9/11 and “Loose Change” all afternoon. Everytime I see that stuff, more than anything else, makes me want to move to Canada.
Thanks Christy for having me today, and for all of your kind words about the book. There’s so much work we have left to do after the election if we are to have a truly representative, responsive and responsible government again, and I hope you’ll find “Wait! Don’t Move To Canada!” a useful guide to realizing our vision. I’m looking forward to discussing with all of you what we can do together to build and broaden the Democratic mandate, and withstand the inevitable right-wing counterattack. Thanks for being here, and staying in the fight, Bill
I’m not about to move anywhere. I’m here to stay. And help change us back to blue. Dark blue.
One of the things that I found most useful with Bill’s book was the quick summary endnotes and the practical tips that he has in them. Very useful stuff for quick reference on a range of issues — from separation of church and state questions to protesting and other activism. Great stuff!
This is an unusually slow Sunday :-D
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I don’t know about the rest of the country, but down here in the Deep South where all is red I try to find one or two folks where I am and plant small seeds… They’ve been germinating lately. I print out news articles, and blog posts and cartoons (the more humor the better, if it’s germane) and drop them on desks. I’ve had the recipients engage me in substantive discussions of issues, and some of them have actually told me they will change their votes for either candidates or ballot initiatives. I do better one-on-one.
Bill — have you gotten much feedback from any of the Democratic party apparatus types on the “get a message and stick to it” discussion in the book? I sure wish they would listen to you on that. And soon.
I am a proud liberal and humanist and I ain’t moving anywhere.
I want this country to be much better and I pledge to make it so.
(if I were gonna move, Costa Rica is nice)
THANX FOR YOU WISE AND GOOD WORK BILL . . . love the book and the radio spots with the great SAM SEDER!!!!
Marion in Savannah @ 18
Good on ya!
To answer Sha and Ruffian, two reasons not to move to Canada:
1. The midterm election shows we can win if we stay and fight. The American people are not fundamentally right-wing, and not fundamentally opposed to the liberal vision.
2. If we all move to Canada and leave America to conservatives, then they will eventually invade Canada anyway, and we’ll be right back where we started.
A question for Bill… Thomas Schaller’s book “Whistling Past Dixie” seems to want to kick me to the curb simply because I vote in a “red” state. How do we down here combat that mindset which, frankly, pisses me off?
My country, our country, is worth fightin’ for. Damn sure, I’m staying!
My name is Charles, and I am a proud Liberal and Progressive and an FDR New Deal Democrat.
America needs a New Deal for the 21st Century, and the Democratic Party needs Progressive Populist Southerners like Larry Kissel and John Edwards.
And nobody’s kicking me anywhere. Let alone to the curb.
The painful reality is that the US is so powerful in terms of its military, economic, media, cultural, technological and environmental influence that there is nowhere in the world that one can go to escape it. Canada is not a realistic haven, when the US behemoth spans its entire southern border. So it’s up to us to do our best to influence what this country is doing.
To answer Spork Incident’s question, will the GOP become a regional party:
They certainly are in risk of that, but we can’t just assume it will happen.
There’s a risk because they governed for six years, and it was six years of complete failure. There is not a single thing the average American voter thanks the Republican party for. I don’t consider that opinion, but fact. You can’t name a thing.
But we have to make the case to the public that that is because of their governing philosophy, not mere incompetence. You can find competent Republican politicians. You can’t find a Republican politician who believes that representative, responsive and responsible government is essential for a thriving America.
The conservative ideology is one that is reckless with our resources, not responsible. Callous to our basic needs, not responsive. And elitist in serving crony corporatists and fringe fundamentalist religious leaders, not representative. We need to make that case, and keep the GOP on the ropes, so they can’t regroup and become competitive in more states.
Canada’s too cold- I’d be willin to move to Hawaii though if it would help.
Bill sez:
2. If we all move to Canada and leave America to conservatives, then they will eventually invade Canada anyway, and we’ll be right back where we started.
We could move them to Texas.
That would work.
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-ck- @ 26
Yep!
It’s not fair but it’s a fact that we have less than two years to begin to undo what W and company have wrought. If the American don’t see signficant improvement in their everyday lives, whether better Medicare for aging parents, more benefits for returning veterans, reduced higher education costs, etc,as well as an assurance that their tax dollars and our young people’s lives won’t be wasted on counterproductive military misadventures, they may return to Republican fold. I don’t think we have the luxury–for now–to engage too much in ideological arguments.
Maria Leavey @ 33
Twenty-four very short months. We need to come together.
To answer Marion in Savannah’s question about Tom Schaller’s book, which argues that Dems should focus more on the West and Midwest, and not expect short-term gains in the South:
I understand your frustration, though I’ve read his book and there’s a lot good information and recommendations in there. But I would disagree with his argument that we need to explicitly go after “Southern Conservatives.”
Schaller argues that would not be attacking all of the South, but I suspect that distinction would be lost on many. And I think making such an explicitly geographical based attack conflicts with the inherent liberal vision of “representative” government — one that represents everybody.
Schaller, I suspect, is right that tactically, short-term resources may be better spent in the West and Midwest. But I still support Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy, and I would note, so does Schaller (he believes we can win the South long-term and should be building infrastrucutre. there.) We need to be present in South, listen to their needs and concerns, and proudly make a liberal case that responds to those concens.
Maria Leavey @ 33
Alternatively, that could be turned into a positive because we have 2 years to a) get our ground game going, and b) keep hearings happening that point up all of W’s and the boys’ failures and corruption. (And yes, my glass is ALWAYS half full…)
Maria at 33 — it is wholly unfair that we have to show some substantial progress in two years when they have had 6 years to make an enormous mess. But there you have it. Nothing like one-sided accountability as demanded by the corporate media, I suppose…then again, when you compare what a mess things are now, we really do have a quite a bit of “better than this” to work with in terms of improvement.
BTW, here is an interview I did of Schaller, and one Schaller did of me:
http://www.liberaloasis.com/20.....ler_au.php
http://gadflyer.com/flytrap/in.....00643#3054
Marion at 18 — I find that here as well. With so much wingnut talk radio on the air here — and NO Air America or other liberal programming whatsoever, it takes individual conversations to reverse engineer some of that Limbaugh input. Once people start to question the Faux News line or whatever else, suddenly it starts to dawn on them that some of the things they have been told might not be so accurate. That little wedge can make all the difference.
The obvious follow-up question:
The “Fifty-State strategy.” Yay or ney?
(And for what it’s worth, I’d never leave this country. Canada is quite nice and I’m told that New Zealand is aces but I’m an American and proud of it.)
Bill Scher @
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My concern is that “we” didn’t win in November. I will not be happy if the result is a “Joe Lieberman” congress…which is what I am concerned about.
However, I understand point 2…THEY’RE EVERYWHERE!!!
Religious conservatives have moved from bein the deal makers in american politics to bein a curse on the party who invites em in…Goopers can’t hold their coalition together in the long run- the libertarians and the “fiscal conservatives” hate em.
There’s not a lot of time left. We have to decide. Who are we going to support for 2008? There is so much work to be done.
Hi Bill,
Glad to have you here at our blog “home.”
A couple of questions. How has the conversation changed as you have been out on the book tour since the mid-terms?
Have you had a chance to follow the recent developments in MA with the election of Deval Patrick and his bringing in the bloggers (specifically David at BlueMassGroup) to join in what he calls “Civic Engagement?” and will you become engaged yourself on a local level since you live in MA? I think it will be a very interesting experiment.
rw at 42 — Bill has a great discussion about dealing head on with the “culture war” meme in the book. Great stuff.
Redd- Thanks- I’m about to start Carter’s book- this one sounds like a great next read.
Can I imagine? The ‘choice’ in November 2007: McCain or Clinton.
Regarding Christy’s question about have Dems responded to my calls to coordinate better on message:
On the upside, there are people in both the House and Senate leadership offices who have copies of the book, though of course, that is no guarantee that they will implement the recommendations.
And I haven’t been terribly impressed with the message coordination in recent days. There are still too many Dems freelancing.
In particular, while I like Rep. Charlie Rangel, and he raises interesting points about the draft, and who is really fighting in Iraq, he’s not working in a way that helps Dems collectively lay an ideological foundation and narrative, so the public understands how Dems will and want to govern.
Washington Dems need to let Reid and Pelosi lead. And at the same time, Reid and Pelosi have to step up, articulate a clear principled vision, and propose legislation based on that vision — so people fully understand the direction Democrats would take the country.
Christy/Jane, thanks as always for hosting interesting authors for discussion at FDL. I hope more progressive/liberal bloggers are able to do this over time and provide more exposure to progressive writers.
Bill, hope you are enjoying you book tour. It was great to meet you the weekend before the election. Unfortunately, I have to confess I have still not had a chance to read your book. :-( My question to you is this (and you can feel free to refer me to page X of your book if it’ already there :-)): How do we partly redirect the significant amount of money that progressives donate to progressive causes into building the kind of infrastructure that would allow for the communication and presentation of broad ideas and frames? Namely, ideas and frames on what Democrats and Republicans *really* stand for (values-wise and policy-wise)…Put another way, what are some of your ideas to bring about a sea change in how the time, attention and money of progressives can be shifted from focusing merely on short-term electoral or policy wins to also focusing on long-term strategic planning and strategic realignments?
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Any DC Dems who have supported (e.g, even read) your perspective?
OK at 47 — one of the great things about Bill’s book is that he talks about any number of ways to get involved — with party infrastructure, with influencing local opinion, etc., to enable you and everyone else to get involved in how that choice is made. Not just having to sit back and wait for someone else to make the decision.
It’s about taking the power of your vote and your voice back into your own hands. I know we work on stuff like that here every day — but it is well worth a reminder, and a very concise and well-thought-out one like Bill’s book is — that we have the power to make enormous changes. We just have to choose to step up and use that power.
Back in June, 2004, Laurie Spivak of the Commonweal Institute wrote on Alternet ( http://www.alternet.org/story/19029/ ) about the elephant in the room–failed conservative policies. Bill has taken it a step further, in identifying the underlying problem as the conservative ideology itself. He’s also bravely made a stab at articulating some elements of progressive philosophy–particularly “responsive, responsible, and representative government.” If one pushes this concept further, one might find it yielding fruit in the areas of “we’re all in it together”, corporate and media responsibility, recognition of the commons, etc. I’m not sure how 3-Rs gov’t would play out in focus groups and on the tongues of speakers, but that research needs to be done.
spork_incident @ 40
Absofreakinglutely YEA. There are 50 states in the Union. Which do you choose to write off? Or what would you do instead?
Hey, Bill.
I pretty much know from reading the book how you recommend we deal with an environment where we don’t hold any of the power.
Now that we do, and we have to deal with the backbiting from a media that doesn’t want to admit that they got it wrong, what do you recommend?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
{holds the cross up in the vampire’s face…}
Welcome Bill and thanks for your hard work and dedication. I have no problem labeling myself a Liberal, bleeding heart type actually. I also consider it a position of strength rather than weakness.
Do you really think we can overcome the highly organized, well funded rhetoric factory of the (ultra)Conservatives? Isn’t there a basic difference, in considering opposing thought, between liberals and conservatives that put liberals at a disadvantage?
Marion in Savannah sez:
Which do you choose to write off?
I write off none of them; keep the Republicans on their heels.
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Just throwing out an idea here for all of you who do pundit duty on TV or radio. The other day on C-Span’s Washington Journal, caller after caller after caller defended the administration’s latest (in a long list) of violation of our civil liberties with that reliable old saw: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about it. Leaving aside the faith that places in bureaucratic competence and the belief that laws and policies are applied to all equally without political consideration, and even further leaving aside the slippery slope argument, we can counter that line of reasoning by asking if the proponents of terrorist lists and the like are also willing for all purchases and uses of guns and ammunition to be tracked.
The Republicans are busy. Hillary is busy. We must be busier. We must be engaged. We must be in aid of our ideals.
I’d never move to Canada, I can’t stand cold.
But the thought of moving to New Zealand has been in my mind since 2000. Within five years, I hope to be gone.
Why?
Because People in the US are too stupid. The right is a bunch of mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging neanderthals, the center, collectively, are farts in the wind, goin g with the prevailing direction, susceptible to “terror alerts” and inflammmatory rhetoric from the mouth-breathers, the left are far too weak to ever get a real foothold, recent elections notwithstanding. No one was willing to get out there and try to force the DSCC to substantively support Ned Lamont. Not one single Democrat has called for an immediate and total withdrawal from Iraq, which is hte ONLY practical solution.
Every time I read someone admonishing TRex, me or someone else who’s really pissed, about our “rage-based” positions, I am forced to believe they’re just too weak to accomplish anything.
You see, given the current state of American society, rage is an appropriate response to anyone with a brain. I know that won’t sit well with a lot of you, but most of you are too weak to effect any real change. The Democrats are too willing to sell us out in order to be able to continue feeding at the rough of Saudi Oil. They;’re used to sleeping with the Devil.
So I hope to be in the Southern Hemisphere by 2010.
My name is (Redshift), and I’ve never been afraid to say I’m a proud liberal. Conservatives have been effective in demonizing the word ‘liberal’ and their caricatures of what a liberal is, but it hasn’t made the country less supportive of real liberal policies.
Marion–You had a dem senator until just recently- so Georgia is not a dem proof lock box..
I would imagine that the right candidate can win there still?
Maria @ 2:43… Sweet! But won’t they say that goes to a privacy issue??? {snort…}
The Republicans are busy. Hillary is busy. We must be busier. We must be engaged. We must be in aid of our ideals.
Well said.
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“Taking power”. That’s what it’s about! We did it, and we will do it again.
RevDeb @ 44, great to talk to you again. Yes, I saw that Gov.-elect Deval Patrick included BlueMassGroup in one of his transition team working group. Very exciting.
Massachusetts is a supposedly “liberal” state, but hasn’t had liberal leadership in years. We need liberal executives who can show how liberal governance can work, so we’ll have models we can show the rest of the country, and I think Patrick is extremely promising, perhaps the most important Gov race we won this year. His outreach to the blogospehre is indicative of the fresh thinking I expect him to bring to the office.
I’ve only lived in MA for a little over a year, and I’m still learning the lay of the land, but hopefully I can find a way to get more involved locally.
I’d never move to Canada, I can’t stand cold.
There is that, yes. :-D
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Maria at 58 — I made that point with a couple of people recently here in WV. The thought of gun registration for people who don’t have anything to fear makes people turn white at the knuckles. It’s a VERY effective counter-argument.
Guitar- How cold does it get in New Zealand?
Doesn’t get to -40C.
Bill — what have been the points that you have been discussing most on the book tour? Have they been what you expected — or have you been surprised by the things most on people’s minds as you have toured around?
Christy:
Considering how quickly the self-identified libertarians and “small government” types were willing to abandon their principles once their cult leader got into power, I’d have to say we’re unlike them in our unwillingness to abandon our principles.
My guess is that British Columbia is more moderate (in temperature) than New Zealand.
Bill -
Can you explain a bit more about Mass.?
It’s a stereotypically “liberal” state but they seem to like the odd Republican.
(Take “odd” as you will.)
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Oh, and Bill — thanks a lot for coming to our local Drinking Liberally (Alexandria, VA), though unfortunately I had a family obligation and couldn’t be there.
rwcole @ 62
Our Dem senator was Max Cleland. A Vietnam triple amputee. They beat him by putting his face up in an ad next to Osama bin Forgotten’s face. My congresscritter is Republican Lite John Barrow. I think what we can accomplish down here in the next 2 years depends on 2 major factors. First, even the military is turning against the Iraq debacle. The 3rd Infantry is going right now for their 3rd deployment to Iraq. Second, I think we can make inroads on the living wage issue. The caveat is illegal immigration. If immigrants are “illegal” why aren’t the folks who hire and pay them less than American workers being fined or jailed? Just asking…
Rumi @ 56, I hear a lot that we are disadvantaged because the conservative mind-set makes it easier for them to work in lock-step, and liberals are too free-thinking and independent to match their coordination. I think this notion misundertands how conservatives got to where they are.
They are riven with factional squabbles and disputes, but they have created structures to help smooth them out, in particular the infamous Grover Norquist Wednesday Group. The whole idea behind it is to get corporatists, fringe fundamentalists, gun rights groups, libertarian extremists, home-school advocates, etc. to meet privately, work out their difference, and craft messages that they all can use across the board, so they can present a strong coalition to the public.
That’s why you’ve seen fringe fundamentalists leaders blend tax cut messages with faith rhetoric, even though there is nothing the Bible about tax cuts. That takes work, it’s not something that came easily for them, it just looks that way because they’ve worked at it for so long.
We should not assume we are incapable of articulating true liberal principles that can have broad appeal — though we should recognize that it takes diligence.
Cool but humid in Christchurch.
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This is a struggle for the very heart and if need be, the soul of the Democratic party. We are up to the challenge! We won the House and the Senate. Eyes turning to the big prize. The WH.
We have Gore, Feingold, Edwards, Clark. Take your pick. They have McCain.
Hey, Bill. Good to see you here. Sorry I could not be around the week you came by Alexandria, VA Drinking Liberally.
Cooler in Vancouver.
Bill, do you have any plans to do speaking tours with your book?
Just a reminder: please keep the discussion on topic for the Book Salon. If you have off-topic issues that you would like to discuss, please take them to the prior thread. Thanks much!
I’d never vote for anyone who didn’t campaign for Ned Lamont, so Edwardes and Clark are the only ones of those two I’d vote for. I’d never *ever* vote for Feingold after he helped throw Ned under the bus. Ditto for Gore. If I’m mistaken about any of these, please correct me.
I know Feingold did not campaign for Ned.
spork_incident @ 74
The “odd” republican thing started back when Dukakis left the state house and ran for pres. The party convention process is rather convoluted and we wound up with a jackass named Silbur running for gov. in ‘88 I think. He was such an ass that many good dems voted for Weld who seemed a reasonable guy. I was doing my internship in Portland OR then and wasn’t home to watch the whole thing play out, but I would have voted for Weld myself, that’s how bad Silbur was. Since then, Weld left early and put his lt. gov., Paul Cellucci into the office and then Cellicci did the same thing with his lt. gov., Jane Swift. Willard arrived on the scene and muscled Jane out.
The repigs in MA are in total disarray right now. Part of their past success, such as it was, had to do with the dems holding both the house and the senate and they sold the people on the idea of checks and balances against one party rule. Any of this sound familiar?
At least that’s my take on how it all came down.
Add to that, that MA is not as liberal as those outside the state seem to think. But, hopefully that will change for the better with a good liberal governor about to take the helm. We have an opportunity to really do some great stuff and Patrick is already opening the doors and opening his ears and mind to hear from us all. It has the potential to be very cool.
Gutar at 84 — please go back and re-read Tim Tigaris’ update. And please keep the discussion on topic for the Book Chat. Thanks!
Christy @ 71, what have I heard on the book tour from people, was it what I expected or was I surprised by anything?
Most importantly, I was concerned that people would get complacent if we did win big on election day, but I’m proud to say I had healthy crowds on the tour both before and after the election. Perhaps “surprise” is a little strong, but I was very pleased to see people quickly grasped that there was more work to do post-election, and there was no time for victory laps.
Before the election, a lot of folks were concerned about voting machines — and I would say that the only way to solve that problem is to overwhelm the system with strong election, so we’d have people in office who would actually address the problem. After the election, people were concerned that voting machines are still a problem, but would get even less attention now. I think that’s one issue Dems are happy to deliver on, but of course, we have to keep making noise so it doesn’t fall through the cracks.
There’s plenty more I can say about the tour, but I’ll try to weave in other book tour reflections as I answer other questions…
Follow the Scher route. It’s a winner. The map to success.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 84
Forgive me, but you may be cutting your nose off to spite your face…
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 84
Hillary?
Hi, eriposte (#49). In March ‘06, the Commonweal Institute, which is a thought-leader regarding progressive infrastructure, convened the first Progressive Roundtable for leading activists (>50, from all over the country) to address what the priority areas should be for funders. You can see the results here: http://www.progressiveroundtab.....ncereport. The working group’s consensus was that the top investment priorities for building infrastructure are message development and testing, coordination, strategy, marketing, human capacity, and message placement in new as well as existing channels. Proposals were developed and were sent to “all the usual suspects” that had expressed interest in funding infrastructure. But a lot more action–and money–is needed. If any of you know potential funders, tell them where to look. And remind them that, even though some of those recommended priority elements might not sound “sexy” and “new”, they are the fundamentals for how to get things done.
Kate at 91 — Amen to that.
Scher is lucid. The man is telling us how to win.
Bill, as I see it, the USA is lost, irrevocably lost.
Think about this: It too SIX YEARS for the so-called “center,” to see what a fuckup Clusterfuck is. SIX YEARS!
They’re far too swayed by Xian idiots who use wedge issuies to obscure the fact that the Clusterfucks are NOT looking out for them at all, but simply using them.
And Liberals are too stupid to punish those who betrayed us. Anybody pimping Russ Feingold has a shorter memory than I do, and that’s hard to do, as ADD as I am.
It’s lost.
Think about this - NOT ONE SINGLE DEMOCRAT has called for the only logical and sensible course of action in Iraq, which is total and immediate withdrawal.
The game is lost, November notwithstanding.
I sure hope i can get NZ to take me.
RevDeb -
Thanks!
I remember like it was yesterday: Weld being attacked as a liberal.
Good times, good times…
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Guitar at 94 — that is a pathetically defeatist attitude considering the Democrats haven’t even had the opportunity to prove what they intend to do — because they don’t even take back Congress until January. Don’t you think you might be jumping the shark a bit with the whole “we’re doomed” attitude?
CT-Sen, So ya wanna know what happened by Tim Tagaris
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