FITZ!

Jane!
Christy!
All FDLers!

Christy if your still around good luck tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our own BobbyG apparently sent Prager an email about this subject, which Dennis read on the air, complete with his website and email addresses.

In the immortal words of Jeff Spicolli, “You dick!!!”

Non of us objected when Clusterfuck got sworn in with a dog eared copy of “Free Enterprise Mountain Biking for Jesus” did we?

The irony here is that Prager would like Rep. Ellison to be sworn in while laying his hand on a Bible, a text that the new Congressman doesn’t even believe in. That would be bearing false witness, no?

BTW, Ellison as first Muslim congressman is bound to generate some controversy. I know some Repugs are just itching to get into a stiff about it. Ellison’s opponent John Fine tried to make it an issue but nobody listened. Minnesota’s 5th District is the bluest in the state.

(Disclosure: I live in the district.)

It’s like asking me to swear while my hand is on a copy of the Knuter’s “Contract with America” !

Praeger, that deeshonest moralizing apestoso, asqueroso, enculando hijo de puta sin cojones, can take hees leetle bible, roll eet eento a tight cylinder, and steek eet where hees mythical sky-being does no shine, eh?

so.

Who is the picture of?

JPL at 3 — thanks — but good luck with what tonight?

Anyway, I thought AP’s sources had to pass, not fail, a test for stupidity….

photo of prager

anyone have link? Did BobbyG leave that in the comments? I know Christy mentioned it (email) but I couldn’t find it.

What is it about Article VI, section 3, of the Constitution that states “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” that these people don’t understand?

Everyone knows that the Bible is the only official truth telling appliance in the history of america– if ya make em put their hand on the BIBLE- well then they HAVE ta tell the truth! The Koran don’t work- it doesn’t have the UL seal of approval AND Consumer Reports found that it was possible to lie yer ass off while yer hand is on the Koran.

Jane — it starts at comment 15 in the Joe Wilson post.

It is going to be very exciting to see how the congressional punditry attempts to handle Mr. Ellison. As a Mpls. native, I have had ample opportunity to listen and appreciate Mr. Ellison in print, on local radio and in person. He is erudite, and concise and a real hoot when he wants to be. He also has the capacity for laser like seriousness and he does his research.

He is also one of the few candidates I listened to in this area, or any other, who used the word ‘love’ in his speeches and really seemed to mean it. I hope the rest of the country will come to esteem the man as much as I have. And, I also hope he is able to play out even a fraction of the promise he is noticeable for.

He is a true gentleman.

I haven’t made time to read it yet, but here is a link to an email exchange between Sam Harris, who thinks that belief in god is, um, overrated, and Mr Prager.

Jane, thanks for keeping ‘em safe over at the AP.

(and who there has to remind them to close their mouths when they look up at falling rain?)

PS – may be a typo in the last line, although supidity sure sounds contageous to me, too.

[Mod note; thanks, Kirk. Refresh and it should be fixed now. FWIW, it looks like your glitch report last night is a server issue, not anything in WordPress.]

Rutgers game

reposting a link to Aravosis’ take on this:

…Now, first off, to correct a small fact that everyone on the right has gotten wrong to date, no one in the House is sworn in with any religious book at all. It’s not a part of the swearing in process, it’s not in the Constitution, it’s not in any rule or law or procedure anywhere…

Tell me how a Muslim swearing to a Christian God, or at the very least to a Christian tome, isn’t bearing false witness AND taking the name of the lord in vain? You want to force him to swear a false oath to your God. The very super-Christians (and super other-faith-practitioners who really want to be Christians) demanding that this guy swear on a Bible are co-conspirators in violating at least one, if not, two of the Ten Commandments….

Headlined, “America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on,” Prager argued that using the Quran for the ceremony “undermines American civilization.”

Really, Dennis? Because I don’t recall the Constitution mandating that a Congressman take the oath with his hand on any book at all. The use of the Bible is also optional, and I don’t remember voting on which book(s) would become the approved choices as optional swearing-in props.

I guess what I’m saying is, go fuck yourself, you ignorant shitwad.

johnSwifty @17:

As you might know, John Fine tried to call attention to Ellison’s link to Farrakan and the Million-Man March in 1995, and also to Ellison’s “activism” when he was a student at the University of Minnesota. Again, nobody listened.

Biodun @ 7

(Disclosure: I live in the district.)

Oh Biodun, are you lucky. I envy you. I’m stuck with the perpetual tool, Jim Ramstad.

And, in response to your comment about the Mega-thread on language and LateNite, here’s one of my fav’s:

An old man and a young boy were traveling through their village with their donkey. The boy rode on the donkey and the old man walked.

As they went along they passed some people who remarked it was a shame the old man was walking and the boy was riding.

The man and boy thought maybe the critics were right, so they changed positions.

Later, they passed some people that remarked, “What a shame, he makes that little boy walk.” They then decided they both would walk.

Soon they passed some more people who thought they were stupid to walk when they had a decent donkey to ride. So, they both rode the donkey.

Now they passed some people that shamed them by saying, “How awful to put such a load on a poor donkey.”

The boy and man said they were probably right, so they decided to carry the donkey.

As they crossed the bridge, they lost their grip on the animal and he fell into the river and drowned.

The moral of the story?

If you try to please everyone, you may as well just kiss your ass goodbye.

I personally carry a pocket Bible and if someone tells me something that I’m not sure of- like- “yer car will be ready this evening”,,I pull the thing out an make em swear on it. I have never carried a Koran- cause they don’t work.

Biodun @
23

johnSwifty @17:

As you might know, John Fine tried to call attention to Ellison’s link to Farrakan and the Million-man March in 1995, and also to Ellison’s “activism” when he was a student at the University of Minnesota. Again, nobody listened.

Biodun, I’d sure like to learn more.

Perhaps the time is right for this matter to resurface in the punch bowl….

I expect the Wurlitzer will chew through all their old favorite dung balls as they search for just the right ones to throw at Ellison.

Knowing enough to refute them may be timely..

Biodun @ 23

johnSwifty @17:

As you might know, John Fine tried to call attention to Ellison’s link to Farrakan and the Million-Man March in 1995, and also to Ellison’s “activism” when he was a student at the University of Minnesota. Again, nobody listened.

Yeppers, and if it had any impact whatsoever, I think you’ll agree it was eventually negative for Fine. With the glaring exception of Michele Bachmann, I am proud to send up most of the delegation of folks we’ve managed to cull together.

rwcole @ 25

I personally carry a pocket Bible and if someone tells me something that I’m not sure of- like- “yer car will be ready this evening”,,I pull the thing out an make em swear on it. I have never carried a Koran- cause they don’t work.

emprical question:

If you’d never carried one, how could you have assessed their efficacy?

:)

What about old Holy Joe? I doubt he is toting the King James’ Version at the swearing in ceremony? Is Prager worried about that?

From Wiki:

This has been interpreted to mean that no federal employee, whether elected or appointed, “career” or “political”, can be required to adhere to or accept any religion or belief. This clause immediately follows one requiring all federal and state officers to take an oath of support to the Constitution. This implies that the requirement of an oath, even presumably one taken “So help me God” (not a part of the presidential oath, the only one spelled out in the Constitution, but traditionally almost always added to it), does not imply any requirement by those so sworn to accept a particular religion or a particular doctrine.

punaise @
21

reposting a link to Aravosis’ take on this:

…Now, first off, to correct a small fact that everyone on the right has gotten wrong to date, no one in the House is sworn in with any religious book at all. It’s not a part of the swearing in process, it’s not in the Constitution, it’s not in any rule or law or procedure anywhere…

Tell me how a Muslim swearing to a Christian God, or at the very least to a Christian tome, isn’t bearing false witness AND taking the name of the lord in vain? You want to force him to swear a false oath to your God. The very super-Christians (and super other-faith-practitioners who really want to be Christians) demanding that this guy swear on a Bible are co-conspirators in violating at least one, if not, two of the Ten Commandments….

but, of course, don’t tell anybody, (shhhhhhhhh) it’s all the same god ……..

Wonder where the “swearin on a Bible” stuff comes from- pretty strange when ya think about it!!! Is it better than “Cross my heart and hope to die- stick a needle in my eye”?

“Oaths- Great and Small” by Magical Licksher

To correct a widespread misconception, Muslims accord great respect to the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, regarding both Jews and Christians as “People of the Book”, meaning the Bible. While the Qu’ran is believed to be the recordes recitation of God’s own word by the Prophet, and thus the holiest and most sacred text, no Muslim would say they did not “believe in” the Bible.

Old Gold @ 29

What about old Holy Joe? I doubt he is toting the King James’ Version at the swearing in ceremony? Is Prager worried about that?

What about Bush? What the fuck difference does it make what book he used as a prop when the only part of that oath he even understood or paid attention to was “I, George Walker Bush?”

rwcole @ 25

I personally carry a pocket Bible and if someone tells me something that I’m not sure of- like- “yer car will be ready this evening”,,I pull the thing out an make em swear on it. I have never carried a Koran- cause they don’t work.

they do in mecca …….

Prager really made an oath of himselth

kirk murphy @ 26

Biodun @
23

Ellison’s “activism” when he was a student at the University of Minnesota. Again, nobody listened.

Biodun, I’d sure like to learn more.

Perhaps the time is right for this matter to resurface in the punch bowl….

I expect the Wurlitzer will chew through all their old favorite dung balls as they search for just the right ones to throw at Ellison.

Knowing enough to refute them may be timely..

There are several links. Just go to Google and type in keith ellison between quotes. But here’s one for starters:

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014641.php

Biodun @ 7

BTW, Ellison as first Muslim congressman is bound to generate some controversy. I know some Repugs are just itching to get into a stiff about it. Ellison’s opponent John Fine tried to make it an issue but nobody listened. Minnesota’s 5th District is the bluest in the state.

(Disclosure: I live in the district.)

Congratulations on your Congressman-elect!

sidhra @ 33

To correct a widespread misconception, Muslims accord great respect to the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, regarding both Jews and Christians as “People of the Book”, meaning the Bible. While the Qu’ran is believed to be the recordes recitation of God’s own word by the Prophet, and thus the holiest and most sacred text, no Muslim would say they did not “believe in” the Bible.

All true enough, although maybe tangential to the false issue at stake–a Muslim’s preference for the Qu’ran over the Bible as a prop for an oath of office. This should surprise nobody, and should offend nobody except self-important jerks like Dennis Prager who think they hold veto power over others’ religious beliefs.

kirk murphy @ 28

emprical question:

If you’d never carried one, how could you have assessed their efficacy?

:)

So true and, in fact I had an experience which might shed some light; I do much the same thing with my pocket bible — sans old testament but for Psalms and Proverbs, of course. One day, I accidentally left with my copy of the holy scriptures for the Church of the Latter Day Saints. Well, imagine my surprise when, not only where all my prayers answered, but suddenly I had unsolicited offers for polygamous arrangements I could never hope to entertain. Be careful what you wish with; you might just get it.

please pardon the OT but i’ve been wondering lately if anybody has followed the money on the Iraq Study Group? work has kept me from getting to read a number of posts over the past month so maybe i missed it. seems like something that would be interesting if not surprising ……

rw? punaise? kirk? anybody?

People should swear on things they believe in…Goopers should swear on US currency of large denomination.

kirk murphy @
19

[Mod note [snip -kjm] FWIW, it looks like your glitch report last night is a server issue, not anything in WordPress.]

Wow – thanks for the heads up.

I hope all is better now.

Was the cause known?

I’d be mortified if we forgot to tip the server.

[I’ve never actually seen a server. Do they have white cloths draped over their non-dominant upper cables?]

kirk murphy @26:

Actually this one is better, since the embedded links captures most:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

FDL needs to be more open minded. Actually, Mr. Prager has many moral insights. For example:

Let us make war on the phrase “violence doesn’t solve anything.” It is a lie, and anyone who utters it cannot be taken morally seriously.

Take, for example, the American use of violence against the Taliban. Thanks to it, Afghani women may get an education, attend public events without a male escort and otherwise ascend above their prior status as captive animals.

Thanks to American violence in Afghanistan, Islamic terror has started to decline in prestige among many Muslims who had previously romanticized it. Though many Muslims still glorify Muslims who blow themselves up in order to murder Jews and Americans, the glamour of terror is dwindling. In Pakistan, for example, there are almost no Osama T-shirts on sale, and no more demonstrations on his behalf.

Even more significantly, a handful of Muslims and Arabs are beginning to ask what is wrong in their cultures, rather than continuing to blame America, Christianity and Israel for their lack of human rights, political democracy and economic progress.

Once again, violence properly used has led to major moral gains for humanity.

Thank God for moral violence

This was new to me. (link to Grouchy’s Liberaltopia I found via the AP article’s technorati tags)

Scarecrow, perhaps FDL should not be more open-minded, but more violent?

{Note to NSA minder: I kid, I so kid like Coulter kids!}

Stoning is the best- and most biblical form of moral violence- and yet we almost never see a good stoning- why is that? Have we become too lazy and morally bankrupt to put down our video games and go out into the street to throw a few stones with our neighbors? Are we to SECULAR for a good old fashioned stoning?

We should not be surprised that our nation is goin ta hell in a handbasket!!

TeddySanFran @ 46

This was new to me. (link to Grouchy’s Liberaltopia I found via the AP article’s technorati tags)

Hee, new to me too, thanks Teddy.

Here’s a good one:

– The Ted Haggard Hotel Massage Award to Rush Limbaugh for returning from a vacation in North America’s island home of underage male prostitution, the Dominican Republic, with a bag chock-full of Viagra last June.

Although, I do believe there were only 29 of the little blues remaining from a prescription of 30.

More moral insights from Prager:

I believe the Left has been wrong on virtually every great moral issue in the last 30 years.

During that period, it was wrong on the Cold War — it devoted far more energy to fighting anti-communism than to fighting communism.

It was wrong for attacking Israel for its destruction of Saddam Hussein’s nuclear reactor.

It was wrong on welfare.

It was wrong in its demanding less morally and intellectually from black Americans than from all other Americans.

It was wrong in advocating bilingual education for children of immigrants.

It was wrong in generally holding American society rather than violent criminals responsible for violent crime.

It was wrong in imposing its view on abortion on America through the courts rather than through the democratic process.

It was wrong in teaching a generation of men and women that men and women differ because of socialization not because of innate sex differences.

It was wrong in reducing sex to a purely biological and health issue for a generation of young Americans.

It was wrong in identifying “flag waving” with fascism.

It was wrong in supporting the teachers’ unions rather than students and educational reform.

It was wrong in allying itself with trial lawyers and blocking tort reform.

That one just keeps going, and you should all be ashamed. For more, look here.

Could y’all next weigh in on the proper use of “God bless you” when people of different faiths sneeze? I hesitate to offer that at times but usually follow through with it.

:-)

…seriously though, I’ve learned a lot from this thread, thanks.

farhender, this Orangerie diary by BarbinMD discusses B/H-ISG’s mission, but not the money.

me @44:

Oops, sorry. Better link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

TeddySanFran @ 47

Scarecrow, perhaps FDL should not be more open-minded, but more violent?

{Note to NSA minder: I kid, I so kid like Coulter kids!}

I violently disagree with that, for moral reasons, of course.

johnSwifty @ 40

kirk murphy @ 28

emprical question:

If you’d never carried one, how could you have assessed their efficacy?

:)

So true and, in fact I had an experience which might shed some light; I do much the same thing with my pocket bible — sans old testament but for Psalms and Proverbs, of course. One day, I accidentally left with my copy of the holy scriptures for the Church of the Latter Day Saints. Well, imagine my surprise when, not only where all my prayers answered, but suddenly I had unsolicited offers for polygamous arrangements I could never hope to entertain. Be careful what you wish with; you might just get it.

If that ever gets on the Craigslist SF personals, the LDS will need additional printings.

Err – uh – someone ought to warn their sales office – you’re probably way too busy – so – uh –

Just how do I reach that publisher, anyway?

“Are we to SECULAR for a good old fashioned stoning?”

Is Dr. Bong around?

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

“Though many Muslims still glorify Muslims who blow themselves up in order to murder Jews and Americans, ”

Which I take to mean that the unfortunates who were killed and injured in Madrid, Bali, & London don’t matter. Perhaps they were all too “secular”.

Even the churches who pretend to value the bible the most don’t follow it..
We had a preacher in Colorado recently who was guilty of homosexual behavior.

Now if ya read the Bible I imagine (but don’t know) that he’s supposed ta be STONED- so what happens? They try ta SAVE him- fer Christ’s sake!!!!

It’s a sad day in America when even Colorado Springs can’t spring for a good stoning.

EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED

fahrender @ 41

please pardon the OT but i’ve been wondering lately if anybody has followed the money on the Iraq Study Group? work has kept me from getting to read a number of posts over the past month so maybe i missed it. seems like something that would be interesting if not surprising ……

rw? punaise? kirk? anybody?

this brief DKos post addresses the “drift” in the ISG mission:

They’re trying to find the middle road? Why? Their purpose isn’t to appease, it’s to offer an independent assessment of the situation in Iraq. And why is this important? Some might say that a viable exit strategy from Iraq is needed. That our continuing presence in Iraq is helping to fuel the endless sectarian violence. That the cost of 2888 American lives is already too high.

…

Yes, they could embrace a middle of the road compromise in the interest of comity. Or they could do their job. Report what has long been obvious to any thinking person: That Iraq is engulfed in a civil war with our troops mired in the middle, and that a phased withdrawal needs to begin.

also, Mimikatz at The Next Hurrah:

The key function of the Baker-Hamilton Commission in my mind is to basically say to Bush, Congress and the American people that the war as such is unwinnable, that there is no solution that the US military can impose that this country is willing to support. (Sure, we could nuke the country, as Limbaugh suggests, but to what end, and at what cost?) Given that reality, we need to redefine the mission as simply greater stability in the region and get a sufficient number of people, governments and parties to take a realistic view of how that could be achieved so we can start on that path.

TeddySanFran @ 47

Scarecrow, perhaps FDL should not be more open-minded, but more violent?

Maybe both. “Tolerance or death” could be our motto.

Y’know, I’m half tempted to run for Congres just so that, if I win, I can take the oath on a copy of Cat’s Cradle.

I think the only part he liked was the “faithfully execute”

EvilDrPuma @ 34

Old Gold @ 29

What about old Holy Joe? I doubt he is toting the King James’ Version at the swearing in ceremony? Is Prager worried about that?

What about Bush? What the fuck difference does it make what book he used as a prop when the only part of that oath he even understood or paid attention to was “I, George Walker Bush?”

TeddySanFran @
57

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

‘ere, Teddy.

Mommybrain @ 64

TeddySanFran @
57

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

‘ere, Teddy.

Yo, yo, Bogart! Over, ‘ere, man!

rwcole @ 48

Stoning is the best- and most biblical form of moral violence- and yet we almost never see a good stoning- why is that? Have we become too lazy and morally bankrupt to put down our video games and go out into the street to throw a few stones with our neighbors? Are we to SECULAR for a good old fashioned stoning?

We should not be surprised that our nation is goin ta hell in a handbasket!!

If you want to see a good stoning, go to Ann Arbor on April 1st for the annual “Hash Bash.” Good shit dude!

And then there’s this (from the same sources):

For example, in 2005, I devoted 24 columns to making the case for Judeo-Christian values as the finest system of values ever devised.

And I also found Why liberals fear global warming more than conservatives which I very strongly recommend you NOT read. Don’t even go there. Just.Don’t.

Howie, EPU’d on his own thread!

howieklein @
100

I was on a ferry from Buenos Aires to Colonia de Scaramento in Uruguay and I missed the whole chat. Damn! Like everybody, I am so happy that Larry is not going to miss a beat in pressing the race for this seat. I for one will be there for him in 2008.

TeddySanFran @
52

farhender, this Orangerie diary by BarbinMD discusses B/H-ISG’s mission, but not the money.

thanks, teddy. i won’t persist on the subject in this thread. i do think it would be interesting to know in case anyone with the research chops could dig around and see what pops up.

TeddySanFran @ 56

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

Did some say there’s gonna be a stoning? Men ONLY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dRRYXtk1CA

My email to Prager’s parent company, Salem Radio Network:
______

So, this morning I read a news account regarding your KRLA Talk Radio boy Dennis Prager going off on the incoming congressman from Minnesota, the Muslim convert fellow who plans on swearing his oath of office on the Koran.

I was infuriated at the ignorant and inflammatory bigotry of Prager’s assertions, and I emailed him a terse characterization of my reaction. Nothing obscene or threatening (I’ve kept the email), nothing worse than, say, what Vice President Cheney might say to a Democratic member of Congress during a fit of pique.

It wasn’t but 15-20 minutes thereafter when a friend of mine from California called me on my cell phone to say that Prager had read my email aloud on his radio show, complete with my name and email address and web address (bgladd.com).

If I get the first brick through a window at home, or my car keyed, or become the subject of ANY other form of harrassment or violence in the wake of this stunt, you guys will come to seriously rue the day he did this. That’s not a threat, it’s a promise. I am copying this text out of your form and will be saving it as well.

Bobby Gladd
Las Vegas

PS- This Prager guy is Jewish, right? The Anti-Defamation League is also not amused:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/DiRaB_41/4934_41.htm
_

Biodun @ 53

me @44:

Oops, sorry. Better link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison_(politician)

Thanks biodun – I’ll start a ‘learnin’

fahrender @ 41

please pardon the OT but i’ve been wondering lately if anybody has followed the money on the Iraq Study Group? work has kept me from getting to read a number of posts over the past month so maybe i missed it. seems like something that would be interesting if not surprising ……

rw? punaise? kirk? anybody?

I’m sorry fahrender – i was pecking away here and missed your question.

No apologies deserved here about OT-ness! I think you’re more on-topic than I am.

I can’t imagine how to display the information visually, but I’d love to see the grapics that could clearly show the connections of wealth, power, and global “intervention” (uniformed murders) among the Commission members.

In a response to Sam Harris is this email exchange Dennis offers these gems of wisdom:

You write: “Useful delusions are not the same thing as true beliefs.”

That is certainly true. However, if what may be a “useful delusion” is responsible for Judeo-Christian civilization’s abolishing slavery, discovering science and the scientific method, affirming rationality, believing in progress (the Torah was unique in repudiating the cyclic view of life), elevating women’s rights, affirming universal human rights, establishing the sanctity of human life, and so much more, then I would be loathe to dismiss it as merely a “useful delusion.”

An interesting view, that. He takes a lot of things on faith.

EvilDrPuma @ 61

TeddySanFran @ 47

Scarecrow, perhaps FDL should not be more open-minded, but more violent?

Maybe both. “Tolerance or death” could be our motto.

“Cake or Death.”
E. Izzard

Twisted Martini @ 66

rwcole @ 48

Stoning is the best- and most biblical form of moral violence- and yet we almost never see a good stoning- why is that? Have we become too lazy and morally bankrupt to put down our video games and go out into the street to throw a few stones with our neighbors? Are we to SECULAR for a good old fashioned stoning?

We should not be surprised that our nation is goin ta hell in a handbasket!!

If you want to see a good stoning, go to Ann Arbor on April 1st for the annual “Hash Bash.” Good shit dude!

then we could watch “Life of Brian”.

actually, i was there in 2002. a real “rite of spring” it was.

johnSwifty @ 65

Mommybrain @ 64

TeddySanFran @ 57

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

‘ere, Teddy.

Yo, yo, Bogart! Over, ‘ere, man!

OMGoddess I’ll never get anything done today.

Oh – wait – it’s Saturday.

Ahhhh.

‘ere ya go

fahrender @ 68

TeddySanFran @
52

farhender, this Orangerie diary by BarbinMD discusses B/H-ISG’s mission, but not the money.

thanks, teddy. i won’t persist on the subject in this thread. i do think it would be interesting to know in case anyone with the research chops could dig around and see what pops up.

This link might also help, if it’s not in the first reference

The Iraq Study Group: Official damage control and cover-up

scarecrow @
67

And then there’s this (from the same sources):

For example, in 2005, I devoted 24 columns to making the case for Judeo-Christian values as the finest system of values ever devised.

And I also found Why liberals fear global warming more than conservatives which I very strongly recommend you NOT read. Don’t even go there. Just.Don’t.

Arrghhh! How galling to have Prager define what I believe. Idiot!

Next time, scarecrow, I will NOT take your dare.

I’ve got a headache from reading those links to Prager,what a freaking crybaby.

These people need hobbies and lots of ‘em. What with idle hands being the devil’s workshop and all.

Do guys like Prager EVER have any fun? Are they ever invited to parties?(oh what fun THAT would be…not)Do they do anything besides pass moral judgement on everything and every one?

Oh,and let’s not forget Glenn Beck’s “enlightening”interview with Keith Ellison. What a nutcase.

I swear if I had money,I’d travel around the country to where these idiots live and work just to laugh and throw stuff at them. They need public humiliation wherever they go.

kirk murphy @
76

johnSwifty @ 65

Mommybrain @ 64

TeddySanFran @
57

hmmmmm, stoning?

oh, oh, oh, that stoning.

‘ere, Teddy.

Yo, yo, Bogart! Over, ‘ere, man!

OMGoddess I’ll never get anything done today.

Oh – wait – it’s Saturday.

Ahhhh.

‘ere ya go

Ahhhhh, I love Saturday. I think I’ll go for a walk. See ya pups!

Mommybrain @ 77

scarecrow @
67

And then there’s this (from the same sources):

For example, in 2005, I devoted 24 columns to making the case for Judeo-Christian values as the finest system of values ever devised.

And I also found Why liberals fear global warming more than conservatives which I very strongly recommend you NOT read. Don’t even go there. Just.Don’t.

Arrghhh! How galling to have Prager define what I believe. Idiot!

Next time, scarecrow, I will NOT take your dare.

Told ya so!

Carol Lin on CNN soon talking about
1. Go big
2. Go long
3. Go home

and, Carol sez, an as-yet only-teased Fourth Way, which in her mind might be the new unsecret memo from Don to W, troop withdrawals?

Troops
Home
NOW

I don’t know why we bother having any expectations whatsoever that the rethugs are going to behave respectfully or reasonably on Ellison’s religion.

We’re talking about the same party that’s decided to make an issue of the fact that Obama’s middle name is “Husein,” and he’s a Christian.

These people are thugs and bigots with an Animal-House-like level of maturity and none of the conscience. They’ve managed to go from the party of Milton Friedman to the party of the armed illiterate, in 15 short years. I didn’t think I could get more disgusted, but the Obama and Ellison things are.. well, new lows.

“Why Liberals fear global warming more than conservatives.”

Because Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives.

Next.

Yeah, scarecrow, I should know better when it comes from you. You mean it.

TeddySanFran @
10

Who is the picture of?

Jane sez: photo of prager

Thanks, Jane!

Right wing religio-fundamentalists. I’m so God damn sick of these characters. If one is looking to point a finger at those responsible for the mess we’re in, it’s these guys. In terms of Christianity, on one hand we have George Bush. On the other hand we have James Earl Carter.

PeteCO @ 84

“Why Liberals fear global warming more than conservatives.”

Because Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives.

Next.

My new favorite entry in the simple answers to simple questions file.

Right, OKk, and whose Christian is the failed president now, eh?

Remember what happened to John Hall’s opponent when it was revealed that she smoked pot.

Smear card!

One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on TV.

Colbert: I’m not saying it, HE is.

The look on John’s face was priceless.

Stoning is so OLD TESTAMENT

The poor snake handlers can never figure out what part of the old testament is still operative..

Paul said that ya don’t have to get yer dick cut- but that was for practical reasons- not too many guys were interested in converting.

Just to confirm, are we talking about Christianists?

OfT:

Senator John Edwards’ One America Committee has corrected their earlier email; John Edwards’ appearance in the Bay Area is at 11:30 am Sunday 12/3 at the Santa Clara Convention Center Theatre in Santa Clara, sponsored by the Commonwealth Club of California and Kepler’s Bookstore.

Dear Teddy,

Senator Edwards will be in the Bay Area on Sunday to talk about his new book, HOME: The Blueprints of Our Lives.

The book signing begins at 11:30 a.m., not 11:30 p.m. as was previously emailed.

We apologize for any confusion this may have caused. Below is the correct information for the book signing.

Santa Clara Convention Center Theatre
Sponsored by the Commonwealth Club of California and Kepler’s Bookstore
5001 Great America Parkway
Santa Clara, California
Sunday, December 3 at 11:30 a.m.
Note: This event is open to the public, but ticketed; $15 for Members, $25 for Non-Members

Thanks,

One America Committee Staff

Unfortunately, Santa Clara is too far from the Bay Area I inhabit, but I thought others here might like to know.

From westwing:

The following is one version of the emails that have been going around. We do not know how closely it matches the above radio bit:

“Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
7. Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God’s Word is eternal and unchanging. “

TeddySanFran @ 93

Unfortunately, Santa Clara is too far from the Bay Area I inhabit, but I thought others here might like to know.

come on, Teddy, if the 49ers can do it, why not you? :~)

The people trying to turn Obama’s name and Ellison’s religion into homeland security/War or Terror issues are too imbecilic to be Christianists. They’re cavemen. Or maybe slugs.

RBG @
92

Just to confirm, are we talking about Christianists?

The use of the Holy Quran in such a ceremony is a defilement. America will be punished for this insult.

To Dennis Prager,

I read this a few years ago and while this was originally for pResident Bush – I now see things have changed – since you obviously are the new arbiter of all things religious and constitutional, and we all know from what you have said that there is no difference between Gods Law (Christian Evangelical God) and Mans Law. I ask your advice in the following areas, because you have been given The Word of God (movie preview guys voice).

President Bush, I need some advice regarding God’s Laws and how best to follow them

Dear President Bush:

11/26/04 “ICH” — Congratulations on your election victory and for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. As you said, “in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man a woman.” I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18.22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

However, I do need some advice from you regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how best to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25.44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not to Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21.7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Leviticus15.19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord. (Leviticus 1.9) The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35.2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

[…]

The rest here

I anxiously await your response, Mr. Prager.

PS when are we going to implement this into the constitution? Or don’t we need to, since it’s Gods Law (movie preview guys voice)

PeteCO @ 84

“Why Liberals fear global warming more than conservatives.”

Because Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives.

Next.

Prager’s reply:

I have almost never encountered “very smart people” who do not believe in God. The vast majority of atheists I have met had fine brain matter, but if “smart” includes wisdom, intellectual depth, profundity of thought, and moral insight, I have encountered such people almost exclusively among believers in the Judeo-Christian God. (For the record, I have also met fools who believe in this God.)

I think the parenthetical may subtly understate the actual numbers.

Blub @ 96

The people trying to turn Obama’s name and Ellison’s religion into homeland security/War or Terror issues are too imbecilic to be Christianists. They’re cavemen. Or maybe slugs.

RBG @
92

Just to confirm, are we talking about Christianists?

That sounds like a slur on slugs.

I’d tell them, but I’ve given up expecting they’ll stand up for themselves.

Stupid invertebrates…

john in sacramento @ 98

To Dennis Prager

Ha, beatcha John!

John Edwards will be in Pasadena Monday evening, Dec. 4 at All Saints Church. I believe the time is 7pm. Perfect venue.

Maybe Prager will come take him on.

By Prager’s criteria, there’s a whole passel o’people who wouldn’t meet his high standards, Romney, Kohl and Feingold and Norm Coleman among ‘em.

And a heads-up to the fulltime Minnesotans, if you haven’t noticed, the Coleman ‘08 re-election campaign is already in full swing. He’s even doing the visit-all-counties thingie in ‘06. Plus opening a new office in Moorhead.

In an article in today’s Park Rapids Enterprise, he’s a front-pager visiting a local business development site. But I do think he’s going too far talking about his own private convenience hospital in Walker near his lake place ’cause the PR hospital’s just too durn far away. Wonder if Vin Weber’s letting him claim the garage apartment?

http://www.parkrapidsenterpris…..n=homepage

Prairie Sunshine @ 103

And a heads-up to the fulltime Minnesotans, if you haven’t noticed, the Coleman ‘08 re-election campaign is already in full swing. He’s even doing the visit-all-counties thingie in ‘06. Plus opening a new office in Moorhead.

Oh yeah, what a meat puppet. I do so dearly hope Al Franken decides to take him on. I’ve written an entire skit for Al to do with a George Gallowayesque brogue; it involves a serious depantsing of Normy and a bit of a rogering but I’m hoping Al can draw on his former wrestling experience and pull it off (h/t punaise).

I just worry about the hinterlands buying into Normy’s crap. There is that Michele Bachmann element out there, doncha know.

jeffreyw @ 99

PeteCO @ 84

“Why Liberals fear global warming more than conservatives.”

Because Liberals are more intelligent than conservatives.

Next.

Prager’s reply:

I have almost never encountered “very smart people” who do not believe in God. The vast majority of atheists I have met had fine brain matter, but if “smart” includes wisdom, intellectual depth, profundity of thought, and moral insight, I have encountered such people almost exclusively among believers in the Judeo-Christian God. (For the record, I have also met fools who believe in this God.)

I think the parenthetical may subtly understate the actual numbers.

What does Prager define as “very smart”, when he doesn’t even understand the constitution of the country he so professes to love? As I said earlier;

What is it about Article VI, section 3, of the Constitution that states “…no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” that these people don’t understand?

new thread

……….

and here’s something for your holiday gift list

johnSwifty @ 101

john in sacramento @ 98

To Dennis Prager

Ha, beatcha John!

To both of you – that was damn good!

johnSwifty @ 101

john in sacramento @ 98

To Dennis Prager

Ha, beatcha John!

Missed it by that much ;-)

Mommybrain @ 102

John Edwards will be in Pasadena Monday evening, Dec. 4 at All Saints Church. I believe the time is 7pm. Perfect venue.

Maybe Prager will come take him on.

If you are going, please blow Edwards a kiss from TSF!

What stood out to me was the AP headline. (Prager’s always a moron, no surprise there.) “Congressman faulted for Quran at oath”

WTF? Drunk drivers are faulted after a wreck, a CEO may be faulted after a company collapses, but how could anyone fault a person for their religious choices?

The writer almost never does the headline, so we can’t blame Frederic J. Frommer, but some anonymous editor on the desk. Something like “Congressman criticized for Quran at oath” would have been more accurate.

Let’s go back to basics, and in America that means the Constitution.

Freedom of religion was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution. First amendment says “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”

But look also at what the basic document of the Constitution say:
“Article 6(c) Oath of Office; no religious test. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive officers and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

Then consider the definitions of “oath” and “affirmation” which you will notice are considered equal in the Constitution.

An oath is “a solemn promise, usually invoking a divine witness, regarding your future acts or behavior, or a commitment to tell the truth (especially in a court of law); to lie under oath is to become subject to prosecution for perjury.”

An affirmation is “(religion) a solemn declaration that serves the same purpose as an oath (if an oath is objectionable to the person on religious or ethical grounds).”

So to take an oath or affirmation is to commit to perform an act or to tell the truth, based on the highest authority by which your own conscience allows you to swear, without regard to any diety or specified ethical code. All such oaths or affirmations are considered equal under the law.

Just as an aside, it also appears to me that to permit either an oath or affirmation in Article 6 of the Constitution clearly demonstrates what is meant by the First Amendment. The government of the U.S. cannot establish any religion at all, and every American and resident is protected from enforced religion if they do not want to participate. We have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion. No diety or religious preactice can be established by law. Period.

This is all over and above Praeger’s pay grade, apparently.

Prager insults all patriots who believe in the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution with his bigoted rantings.

TheOtherWA @
110

WTF? Drunk drivers are faulted after a wreck, a CEO may be faulted after a company collapses, but how could anyone fault a person for their religious choices?

This phrase we use, “He/she/it drank the kool-aid,” is sort of an implicit fault against those poor souls at Jonestown. The Heaven’s Gate crowd that took off on the Hailbop comet might be faulted for bad religous choices; unless they were right, then I’ll fault them for leaving me behind with George Bush.

But, smartassedness aside, I too was struck by that and I agree entirely with your WTF over the matter. It’s disgusting in AP; but, I’m starting to expect less of them every day.

Prairie Sunshine @ 103

And a heads-up to the fulltime Minnesotans, if you haven’t noticed, the Coleman ‘08 re-election campaign is already in full swing. He’s even doing the visit-all-counties thingie in ‘06. Plus opening a new office in Moorhead.

Time to start building the George Galloway testimony commemorative float.

Not the least ridiculous thing about this AP story is its premise. What DOESN’T ‘offend’ someone like Prager? Folks of his ilk live to be offended.

When you’re talking about a group that’s chosen Michael Savage, Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh as its chief spokespersons, you’re referring to idiots.

If it wasn’t Keith Ellison, it’d be Nancy Pelosi marching in a gay pride parade or Jimmy Carter visiting Cuba or some other nutball thing these people latch onto to drive themselves into a furor.

In short, this is news?

Out of curiosity, what book did Mitt Romney swear on? Would Prager throw a hissy fit if it turns out to be the Book of Mormon?

For the record, I don’t give a shit what book anyone swears on. If it were me, I’d swear on Lord of the Rings….or maybe Richard Bach’s Illusions.

I haven’t read everything yet, but I, too, wrote the evil Mr Prager an email condemning his statement that there is a preferred book in America. I also asked him who died and named him the head of the Book of America Club.
If he did anything with this email – anything at all – I’d be mightily surprised. I only mention this because I wouldn’t be surprised if he had thousands of emails in response to his racist remarks. Oh, and I also said that his remarks were indeed racist, and that the only racists I knew were people who purported to be Christians and who purported to live by the “Good Book”. (I ought to have asked him to name what good book he has read lately)

Good on BobbyG.

I’m just sorry that Prager is such a blow-hole and such a scummy one, at that.

EvilDrPuma @
61

TeddySanFran @ 47

Scarecrow, perhaps FDL should not be more open-minded, but more violent?

Maybe both. “Tolerance or death” could be our motto.

Love it! I’m laying out the sampler now.

Is this anything like contagious fire?