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Glenn Greenwald has a few words on Tom Friedman:
Friedman is truly one of the most frivolous, dishonest, and morally bankrupt public intellectuals burdening this country. Yet he is, of course, still today, one of the most universally revered figures around, despite -- amazingly enough, I think it's more accurate to say "because of" -- his advocacy of the invasion of Iraq, likely the greatest strategic foreign policy disaster in America's history.
My first clue that the Baker Group was completely full of shit came when I learned that they had spent an hour listening to what Tom Friedman had to say.
The Washington punditocracy is rightly under fire right now and in full CYA mode for having been wrong about the war in Iraq from start to finish. It seems like there is nothing they can do or say that will disqualify these people from continuing to flap their gums and wag their empty heads as they offer one useless opinion after another, and you have to wonder how long the situation will drag on by virtue of the fact that they continue to wedge themselves in the middle of the national debate out of pure vanity.
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I despise that moh-ron, Jane!
(kudos to Christy)
What really gets me is why so many of the heavy-weights think Friedman is so damn brilliant on the world scene. I can’t stand this ridiculous man.
triciawrites @ 2
YES!
It seems that Mr. Friedman went to Brandeis and, much later, was a cheerleader for the attack on Iraq. Hmmm. Just sayin’.
Markinsanfran @ 6
Friedman is a F’head.
Hopefully more people will get fed up with it all, and come to places like this to interact with serious people like, say….Joe Wilson, instead of being spoon fed nonsense from idiots like Fried-Man.
Friedman has been so totally over the top in his support of US intervention in the Middle East that it is is clear he is pushing his own (ethnic/religious/national) interests over those of the US more broadly. His calling to re-invade Iraq (!!!! OMG !) says it all. And it sums up how nuts his perspective is, and that of other neo-cons like him. And, except here, too few people have been willing call him out for his. Great post!
Gergen and Barry babbling on Eightball.
What (besides his support of the Iraq war, apparently) do people (e.g. readers of this blog and others) dislike so much about Tom Friedman? I read one of his books for a class I was taking and did not get an unfavorable impression of him, but I have not read his columns and don’t know a whole lot about him.
Opinions, anybody?
Mostly, Friedman just wears turtlenecks and goes on the circuit and spews recycled garbage in a practiced and modulated tone.
He’s an enormous ass.
(apologies to donkeys and mules everywhere!)
How is it that I have never seen nor heard this Loser on television?
I go out of my way to avoid Billo and Hannidate but still end up seeing them occasionally. Not so with Friedman.
Luck, I suppose.
Balrog @ 13
I’ve managed it by avoiding TV news like a polonium enema. Doesn’t sound like you’re quite as fastidious.
Friedman is the Walrus.
And he is as disingenuous and dangerous as his namesake in the classic Lewis Caroll poem, The Walrus and the Carpenter.
I encourage you to read the poem again, with Friedman in mind. Here’s a link:
http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/walrus.html
Balrog @ 13
You must not be watching the Sunday morning talking heads. Whatever you’re doing, it’s working so keep doing it. If you value your sanity anyway. ;)
10 months or 10 years—what a jerk! Friedman should be forced to ensconce himself in the Green Zone until further notice. THEN we’ll see what he has to say–how about 10 minutes? This scoundrel, along with Judith Miller, Bob Woodward and a few other “centrist” journalistic voices, was instrumental in enabling the war. There’s blood all over his hands.
neurophius @ 11
He is a tool of his economic class. His wife is heiress to a fortune valued at about 2.5 Billion (yeah, with a “B”). See David Sirota’s takedown here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....26164.html
jane, that’s a great picture that says so much about the petulant and malicious ego that is mr. friedman. But in the eyes of the DC pundits he’s probably considered mainstream; a safe, healthy alternative to the born-again neo-cons that won’t suddenly pounce like a Noam Chomsky or Fromkin and tell them that they’re all suckers. He’s their kind of guy, so of course they’d listen to him — even if my local mechanic has a better sense of what we should do in iraq that tom effin “the world is flat because we bombed it that way” friedman.
You need to read his NYT op ed pieces. Whatever intelligence he may have once displayed has now been obviated by emotionality and his personal drive to ‘win’ in Iraq (i.e. set up permanent US control here), i.e. removing any potential enemies of Israel in the Middle East. Sometimes, as in his call to re-invade Iraq, this takes on ludicrous dimensions. Israel and the U.S. has no friend in Friedman.
*xyz @ 15
He’s Paul McCartney?
(Sorry, couldn’t resist :))
neurophius @ 11
Glenn has a piece up that I just read. I highly recommend it for some background on this piece of work,Friedman.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
neurophius @ 11
Right now, speaking for myself only, Friedman’s position on Iraq is a sufficient condition for finding this man distasteful. The Palestinian “question” might be another. ;)
Thanks for the Friedman info. I am going to follow the links and read the recommended pieces now.
Markinsanfran @ 18
I don’t really worry too much about that. What his wife is worth doesn’t necessarily affect his annoying pundit mannerism.
To me it’s the fact that he’s so full of shit and has spread it so liberally (ha, pun almost intended) over the past years with no apparent scrutiny as to, you know, actual fact value. His whole “i talked to a cab driver the other day, so here’s what I know to be true” schtick gets really old when it is taken as the gospel.
My old boss thought Friedman walked on water — he’d call management meetings to discuss strategy in light of the pontifications found in his “lexus and the olive branch” book. That’s just scary when Friedman clearly is too busy listening to the little voices in his head and his fake cab driver sources to actually check out the real world.
Hope I’m not going too far off on a tangeant here, but Wikipedia has more on The Walrus and the Carpenter:
“There are many interpretations of the poem, the majority of which depict the Walrus and Carpenter to be corrupt leaders (whether it be in politics, religion, or business) leading their followers astray (in the form of the little oysters). The poem is often suggested to illustrate the nature of genocide.
One such interpretation is that the Walrus and Carpenter symbolize the British government: the oysters symbolizing the lands the British government colonized and monopolized over time that didn’t belong to them, such as China, India, and Africa.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T....._Carpenter
He is the Walrus *xyz!
Thanks for that.
neuro– he sounds sane, but he ain’t.
garbage in = garbage out.
Did someone mention Noam Chomsky above? Friedman isn’t fit to shine Mr. Chomsky’s shoes.
I have such rage against Friedman. For me, he is Lieberman’s slightly more articulate younger brother (in some ways even worse). Like Lieberman, he comes across as a granny (no bad intended, i.e. sweet, supportive, full of humanity), but is vicious to any who oppose his point of view.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
but I would pay big bucks to see them debate!
oh, yeah.
I love when Charlie Rose interviews Friedman. The two of them create such a mind-numbing intellectual black hole that I was able to give up electro-shock therapy.
catfood @ 31
707!
Friedman (unit)
From Wikipedia,
Examples of Mr. Friedman using his FU:
“The next six months in Iraq… are the most important six months in U.S. foreign policy in a long, long time”: November 30, 2003.
“What we’re gonna find out… in the next six to nine months is whether we have liberated a country or uncorked a civil war”: October 3, 2004.
“I think we’re in the end game now…. I think we’re in a six-month window here where it’s going to become very clear”: September 25, 2005.
“I think the next six months really are going to determine whether this country is going to collapse”: December 18, 2005.
“I think we are in the end game. The next six to nine months are going to tell whether we can produce a decent outcome in Iraq” : March 2, 2006.
Many other entertainers, Joe Lieberman, for example have also used the “Friedman unit” in discussing Iraq.
Friedman’s position on Iraq? WHAT position on Iraq- he changes it weekly– from I was wrong- so wrong- and we should never have invaded– to “Oh we now have hope- I wasn’t wrong after all- this could end up bein a great thing..
He has some kind of strange brain chemistry that causes him to attack himself daily..The Woody Allen of punditry..
He’s a wast of time in my opinion.
No one, but no one, has dispatched Friedman with greater, erm, dispatch than Matt Taibbi in his review of The World Is Flat. Trust me on this.
John Casper @ 33
I like it.
First Clue: “Baker”
a greatpice jane, a great point, however these idiots aren’t “wedging themselve in the middle of the debate”, they are thrust to the middle
there is nobody there to challenge their credecntials and since the neo cons want the destabalizaiton of the middle east to go forever, they get these people booked time and again, spewing more of their moronic opnions agan and again
the very first thing an interviewer must do when these people are “booked” is ask them point blank:
“you’ve been wrong on every prediction, it’s becuase of your “opinion” we initiated the most embarrasing military campaign in American history, and I want to know how you have the nerve to think anyone on the planet should take you seriously”
something along those lines would be quite refreshing
ralphbon @ 35
707!
Wait a second. Has Bush ever visited NORAD?
I’m not laughing any more.
This is the list of former officials and experts interviewed by the ISG from their site. Of course, they interviewed many current and foreign officials as well.
Bill Clinton - former President of the United States
Walter Mondale - former Vice President of the United States
Madeleine K. Albright - former United States Secretary of State
Warren Christopher - former United States Secretary of State
Henry Kissinger - former United States Secretary of State
Colin Powell - former United States Secretary of State
George P. Schultz - former United States Secretary of State
Samuel R. Berger - former United States National Security Advisor
Zbigniew Brezezinski – former United States National Security Advisor
Anthony Lake – former United States National Security Advisor
General Brent Scowcroft - former United States National Security Advisor
General Eric Shinseki - former Chief of Staff of the United States Army
General Anthony Zinni - former Commander, United States Central Command
General John Keane - former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Army
Admiral Jim Ellis - former Commander of United States Strategic Command
General Joe Ralston - former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO
Lt. General Roger C. Schultz - former Director of the United States Army National Guard
Douglas Feith - former United States Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Mark Danner - The New York Review of Books
Larry Diamond - Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University
Thomas Friedman - New York Times
Leslie Gelb - President Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations
Richard Hill - Director, Office of Strategic Initiatives and Analysis, CHF International
Richard C. Holbrooke - former Ambassador of the United States to the United Nations
Martin S. Indyk - Director, Saban Center for Middle East Policy, The Brookings Institution
Ronald Johnson - Executive Vice President for International Development, RTI International
Frederick Kagan - The American Enterprise Institute
Arthur Keys Jr. - President and CEO, International Relief and Development
William Kristol - The Weekly Standard
* Guy Laboa - Kellogg, Brown & Root
Nancy Lindborg - President, Mercy Corps
Michael O’Hanlon - Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies, The Brookings Institution
George Packer - The New Yorker
Carlos Pascual - Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies, The Brookings Institution
Robert Perito - Senior Program Officer, United States Institute of Peace
* Col. Jack Petri, USA (Ret.) - adviser to the Iraqi Ministry of Interior
Kenneth Pollack - Director of Research, Saban Center for Middle East Policy, The Brookings Institution
Thomas Ricks - The Washington Post
Zainab Salbi - Founder and CEO, Women for Women International
Matt Sherman - former Deputy Senior Advisor and Director of Policy, Iraqi Ministry of Interior
Strobe Talbott - President, The Brookings Institution
Rabih Torbay - Vice President for International Operations, International Medical Corps
George Will - The Washington Post
http://www.usip.org/isg/isg_meetings.pdf
ralphbon– thank you! I love this:
The aims and interests of the American Government, when smelted down to the base metal, is economic and military colonization of lesser nations in possession of things America wants or needs.
Put a thousand flowery garlands of exquisite loquacity around the pedestal upon which imperial aims are placed for worship, and it all looks and smells so moral, and heartfelt, and civilized, and necessary, and right.
The pundit class is a subset of the political class. The entire pundit / politico class have the task of keeping a thousand fresh garlands around that pedestal every damned day of the week, so very little of the base metal shows.
It must get tiresome. I doubt they speak in flowery terms in private, in the washrooms and cloakrooms and dining rooms of power. It must get tedious, lying in public to the public.
But they all have needles in their hands, and thread in their heads, and it’s a living.
Is it just me or does Ol Sixty Grit look kinda cute tonight?
ralphbon @ 35
Oh. My. God.
“Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.”
Too F*cking Funny. My father-in-law tried to lend me this book. I politely demurred.
I wonder if George Will another Middle East “expert” who was interviewed by the ISG called all those who do not agree with George Bush’s war “boors”.
Riesz Fischer @ 43
Please, drink responsibly.
Riesz at 43 — it’s just you. *g*
John Casper at 46 — oh man, yours was better.
Riesz Fischer @ 43
it’s just you, dear. Visine should clear it up.
Antifa– very well written and true, imho.
Gang — just wanted to let everyone know that we’ll be having a special guest for tomorrow’s Blue America. Larry Kissell will be here to talk about launching his run for 2008. :) Thought everyone would want a heads up on that one.
Blue America will be at 2 pm ET/11 am PT tomorrow.
EvilDrPuma @
14
You’re right. Every so often I watch the bozos on C&L etc. I always regret doing it. That shout down thing they do makes me want to jump through the screen and strangle them.
So the Bush outfit is now taking the Sunni side. My Gawd. Weren’t the Sunni’s Saddam’s guys? And of course the Shiites are the Iranian’s guys (the hostage takers). The group (Iranians) that conspired with North, Poindexter and Bush the Sr. and Reagan to bring down President Carter. Almost unbelievable.
John Casper @ 46
Just Say No, I think.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 52
the bush plan was genocide from the beginning…death squads trained by us, using abu graeb was a deliberate phscological tactic to create a strong man image
Three comments, with excerpts!, within ten minutes of my post about the Taibbi piece…buncha Evelyn Woods hangin’ out here!
I think he is simply mediocre. It isn’t his fault that many people like to be spoonfed their opinions. Frustrating that his lame thinking persuaded so many usually bright people.
I think he is a prime example of very successful marketing u read this one thing and you will not have to read another book for 5 years! (Till his next one).
His opposite is aguy named Stanley Hoffmann. Do a google on some articles from 2003 and you will find someone who argued against Friedman so brilliantly.
And I saw Hoffmann on Charlie Rose and he was wearing a black turtleneck!!!
PeteCO @ 53
I was just trying to be open minded.
But seriously, I think she is trying to be nicer.
BTW, why cant I type an apostrophe without getting kicked out of the window?
The really ugly part of Kate O’ for me is her brain. And what comes out of her mouth.
There is no side we can or should take, OK (imho) and if and when we do, we will be destroying more flesh and blood and we will be wrong, yet again.
I truly believe this civil war was prompted and supported by us.
We need to leave yesterday!
John Casper @33– thanks for that list of FUs. Wow.
Glenn describes the classic Friedman logic:
He then shows how McCain thinks:
Bear in mind that the result of this logic is we (1) begin a war we shouldn’t, (2) continue a war even though it’s a catastrophe, and as a result, tens of thousands of people die. Glenn is a supremely rational, logical kind of guy, so you can see why people like Friedman and McCain, who seem to be indifferent to the horror that follows from their [lack of] logic, drive him crazy.
Long, long ago (2002?) he was a guest on Oprah along with a few others. Just a bit before that I had seen him on the Discovery channel and found him to be condescending. I’ve not liked him to the point of disliking him because of the manner in which he treated the other guests on Oprah. He was just so smug, and creepy.There’s something underlying that I can’t quite grasp. Whatever it is, I distrust his judgement. I got the idea way back then he was a whore. His words went to maintain the status quo, nothing more.
I just want out of Iraq. I want our soldiers home.
Riesz.
You are nice.
But Katie got the thumpin’ too, and she needs a job.
ergo, less venom.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 58
YES
Let’s not forget, her husband works at the Pentagon. He administered the Bush loyalty tests to everyone who got to
fuckplunder Iraq in theHallibuton no bid contractreconstruction perImperial Life Inside the Emerald City.
Hugh — interesting list. The national security brain trust for the last 30 years. But who’s missing? Who should they have talked to that they didn’t?
John Casper #33,
Thanks for the Friedman quotes. Friedman is a popularizer, recycler of other people’s ideas, and general self-promoter. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time but does so anyway, at great length.
Friedman was wrong about going into Iraq, but today I can’t disagree with him. Basically he’s right when he says if we want to win, we need to put in another 300,000 troops, or whatever number he used. If we don’t care about winning, then get the hell out. Finally he’s being a realist about it.
ralphbon @
35
Oh, that is funny.
Kathryn in MA @ 68
If TRex ever needs a couple of weeks’ vacation, maybe Matt Taibbi could fill in on Late Nite. He can do snark. He can do snark real good.
scarecrow @ 65
ummm, an Iraqi or two or more, Professor Cole, President Carter, Poppy Bush, Joe Wilson, scarecrow, Hugh, Jane, Christy, my Dad, Marc Herold, MFI, Du, Ali, Laith, Iran, Syria, Dahr Jamail, Riverbend, Michael Ware, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky…. etc.
me?
Olbermann is roarin’.
scarecrow @ 65
The old man himself.
Thanks Hugh, unfortunately, I bought his shtick in 2002, based on the imprimatur of the New York Times, so I’m really pissed at him. There was so much I just “didn’t get” back then.
Christy Hardin Smith @
50
DAMN, that’s early for me :) I’ll be there, though.
an Iraqi or two, that is brilliant.
EPU’d. Want to improve on the current state of US/former USSR relations?
To help push back against the insanity:
Wworking for peace between the US and Russia for 10 years: Russian Medical Fund, I’m the president.
ralphbon @
35
Sigh. And countless others have also dismembered Friedman before Glenn Greenwald’s latest.
But HOW do you actually dispatch someone like Friedman, who cannot be shamed away? He’s like the freaking Black Knight in Monty Python’s Holy Grail. If he deigned to notice Taibbi’s amputation and Greenwald’s disembowelment of his drivel, would Friedman claim they’re only “flesh wounds”?!
angie @ 70
Hell, they could have had interviewed Tom Hanks playing Forrest Gump and gotten something slightly more insightful than Friedman or George Fucking Will was going to offer.
Oklahoma kiddo @
58
I miss the sporadic visits to FDL by Kate O’Bierne’s teeth.
Mimir @ 77
Great comment! I’ve just met you - i’m very happy to make your acquaintance!
Mimir:
Force him into daylight? Pour water on him?
Keep doing what we are doing, I guess.
Richard Wolffe on Olberman says Bush is giving us “circular” logic on Iraq. I wouldn’t have put it exactly that way.
gotta run–big lightning and booms here now!
angie @ 70
Scarecrows don’t do foreign policy; it just scares people. Of course, Doug Feith and Bill Kristol are pretty scary too.
Re “an Iraqi or two,” I thought Baker talked to several foreign diplomats — from Syria, Iran and Iraq, plus Tony Blair. Hugh’s list seems to be just the Americans.
Mimir @
77
Brilliant! Heres my favorite line from Matts takedown:
Man flies on planes, observes the wonders of capitalism, says we’re not in Kansas anymore. (He actually says we’re not in Kansas anymore.) That’s the whole plot right there.
Brilliant!
Turley on KO NOW
Olbermann: “Negroponte is wandering off the reservation.”
Based on listening to Gen. McCaffrey and David Gergan on Hardball, GOP is
screaming attelling Bush to payfuckingattention to the Iraq Slow-Learner’s Group.anyone else finding the naked xrays to be pretty creepy?
anyone want their kids naked for the TSA guys?
Another of the Jewish American/Zionist/neocons who have been stroking each other off about how smart they are and how they have the inside view of the middle east and how tough they are. They’ve met Bebe and know how to deal with the Arab street. It’s all bullshit. Kristol, Feith, Perle, Rubin, Cohen, Zelikow, Wolfy, Lieberman-you could go on and on. Unfortunately, they found kindred spirits in Dick, Rummy, Condi, Bush and many others for their perfect storm. They all have a lot to answer for. I only hope they get it in this world.
nothing wrong with Iraqi-Americans, is there?
Norman Lear on PBS discussing the damage done to the mainstream media
OldCoastie @ 88
They put digital fig-leafs in a patch across the pubis and the chest area can be de-focused by the supervisor.
scarecrow #65,
Jimmy Carter comes to mind, Antnio Guterres, the head of the UNHCR (Kofi Annan was interviewed), maybe someone from the Red Cross or Human Rights Watch, other heads of NGOs with experience in the Middle East, academics not associated with the usual think tanks. I mean Iraq is not exactly Rashid Khalidi’s main area but I would have liked to hear his thoughts about it. And of course those who correctly saw that Iraq was a mistake and a disaster in the making.
OldCoastie @ 88
Yes.
Newt Gingrich
I saw Rashid Khalidi on the NEWS HOUR and I thought he was terrific.
scarecrow @ 65
Maybe more to the point, who among these were listened to, and who were just allowed to speak?
And of those listened to, which of them were heeded? Or was the whole affair just a scripted waltz, a gala affair at which Don James aka “Big Jim” Baker fronted to the world an air of concern and caring while in the back room the program was refined and properly aged, crumpled and smoothed, stained and torn, to be presented as a “found” map, with a big red X that showed the way?
egregious @
76
привет, Egregious!
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From the site: No one gets paid, not even our president, a Harvard MBA who speaks Russian.
Thomas Friedman…one of the richest pundits in the US.
He married money.
So no matter how ridiculous his ideas…and they are many…he is considered and expert.
Luckily he doesn’t have to work because his wife has money.
But it is a nice hobby for him.
scarecrow @ 84
Oh, you are so spot on and perspicacious so much of the time on foreign policy that I would be doing a happy dance were you involved!
I just wonder if those Syrian, Iranian, and Iraqi consultants were those that are and were disaffected and in the pocket of those wanting to topple regimes over there a la Chalabi.
I’d like one of what John Casper is drinking tonight, please!
John Casper @ 87
Yes. That’s the way I heard it too; plus with Gergen sounding realistic about how pointless and disappointing the president’s personal globe trotting diplomacy appeared, McCaffrey pretty much agreed. We’ve missed all the off-ramps and there are nothing but awful choices. Gergen seemed particularly concerned that the rest of the country/world sees we have to change policy, but Bush is still stuck on same ol’, same ol’.
The next thing I’m waiting for is for some “prominent” official (we have loose definitions in this age) to say: “To solve the problem, we need these people to resign.” It’s staring us right in the face, and no one is saying it. I hope we’re much less than a FU from that event.
I think Friedman’s wealth helps explain his position. He has secured a comfortable station in life and he does not want the boat rocked.
The current wealth of the investor class depends a great deal on separating the working class from pensions and health care benefits, and shipping the jobs underlying those benefits to authoritarian regimes.
Tom’s job is to snooker us into accepting this. The world is flat, only those with skills need apply (blame the victim). I have often wondered - if a local manufacturing plant is turning out widgets, the employees evidently have the skills to make widgets. If China is not making widgets, then they obviously don’t have the skills. Why send the widget jobs to China? It is obviously not the unskilled American workers CEO’s love to talk about (and who’s education corporations avoid paying for by getting sweetheart deals on property taxes). Given that dynamic, I can only conclude the reason is costs, and a political regime that will keep those costs low.
Tom is just a tool corporations use to keep us standing still while our pockets are picked.
My list at #40 is just “former officials and experts”. The PDF with the complete list is here:
http://www.usip.org/isg/isg_meetings.pdf
It includes Iraqi representatives of the government and the political parties, representatives from most of the regional states, officials from defense, intelligence, and state, and various members of the House and Senate. I agree ordinary Iraqis were not heard, along with many others.
Mimir —
I’m afraid you’re right about my optimistic use of “dispatch.” No matter how much you drub him or scrub him, he just comes back, like grout mildew.
After reading Matt Taibbi’s demolition of Fried-Man’s Flat Earth opus, I wonder if the mustachio’d one has read Orwell, other than the obvious 1984 & Animal Farm? “Politics & the English Language” is an essay that is as applicable today as it was sixty years ago;
“The inflated style itself is a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outline and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink. In our age there is no such thing as “keeping out of politics.” All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer. I should expect to find—this is a guess which I have not sufficient knowledge to verify—that the German, Russian and Italian languages have all deteriorated in the last ten or fifteen years, as a result of dictatorship.”
Thanks, Wikipedia, and thanks again, Eric Arthur Blair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....h_Language
John Casper @ 94
he was also on Democracy Now! just the other day and I thought the same…
http://www.democracynow.org/ar.....28/1454248
there’s also a great video and transcript of Jimmy Carter available from today’s broadcast.
Jacqrat @ 99