Comments on: Morning Cuppa… http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 08:02:52 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401138 rumi Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:27:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401138 <p>squiddy @ 170 - It’ll probably be another dueling versions of propaganda/truth. I get the feeling that several loose ends are flapping around but not publicly connected yet. Why on earth would Bolton step down now, without more of a fight? Why do the neocons <i>appear</i> to be giving up on their dream of global domination? Is it just coincidence that wiretap/surveillance by NSACIADOD and others involved PMCs, WINPAC, journalists and, of course,…..oil/energy interests? What a great cover all of that WMD debate provided as a distraction. It sure kept the global WMD hall monitors busy back then.</p> <p>hmm,…Weldon, DeLay, Abramoff and Russian Energy like Yukos?</p> squiddy @ 170 – It’ll probably be another dueling versions of propaganda/truth. I get the feeling that several loose ends are flapping around but not publicly connected yet. Why on earth would Bolton step down now, without more of a fight? Why do the neocons appear to be giving up on their dream of global domination? Is it just coincidence that wiretap/surveillance by NSACIADOD and others involved PMCs, WINPAC, journalists and, of course,…..oil/energy interests? What a great cover all of that WMD debate provided as a distraction. It sure kept the global WMD hall monitors busy back then.

hmm,…Weldon, DeLay, Abramoff and Russian Energy like Yukos?

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401119 peony Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:07:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401119 <p>“By the way–Clusterfuck is now FORCED to say “We aren’t pulling out” cause the minute he even SUGGESTS that he might CONSIDER pulling out- Iran and Saudi will be marching troops into Iraq to fill the vacuum and to protect their own respective sides (regional war time).. So ignore what his denseness says- it has nothin ta do with anything.” rwcole</p> <p>rw, I think you’re right. I’ve heard this is what Cheney was told by the Saudis in his recent visit.</p> “By the way–Clusterfuck is now FORCED to say “We aren’t pulling out” cause the minute he even SUGGESTS that he might CONSIDER pulling out- Iran and Saudi will be marching troops into Iraq to fill the vacuum and to protect their own respective sides (regional war time).. So ignore what his denseness says- it has nothin ta do with anything.” rwcole

rw, I think you’re right. I’ve heard this is what Cheney was told by the Saudis in his recent visit.

]]> By: peony http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401112 peony Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:02:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401112 <p>I read Pat Lang’s blog (www.turcopolier.typepad.com) for his expertise in military matters. But, I was impressed after learning how Jim Webb won the Navy Cross in Vietnam (11/9: “Webb’s Dog Tags”):</p> <p>““..deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex…. First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. … He then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. ….Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker.” It is unseemly to talk about this? The Navy Cross is the country’s second highest medal for battlefield courage.</p> <p>Think about this. This very young man led his forty-five marines into a fortified enemy position. Three enemy soldiers suddenly appeared. He personally captured the three of them. Then, he moved to a second bunker and in spite of what has just happened, called on them to surrender. The risk in this was appalling. Not many of us would have taken the chance of waiting to see what these new enemies would do. I would not have. In attacking a third bunker, Webb used his own body to shield one of his men from the blast of an enemy grenade. I am surprised that he did not receive the Medal of Honor.</p> <p>Unseemly to talk about this? Think about the complete lack of focus on self that these actions exemplify. Do we not need leaders like this?</p> <p>My God. I pray that we will always have leaders like this who can unflinchingly do their duty, and then, a generation later persist in principled silence and self-sacrifice in the way that Jim insists must be. - Pat Lang</p> <p>(It’s Webb who thinks it’s “unseemly” to talk about himself.)</p> I read Pat Lang’s blog (www.turcopolier.typepad.com) for his expertise in military matters. But, I was impressed after learning how Jim Webb won the Navy Cross in Vietnam (11/9: “Webb’s Dog Tags”):

““..deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex…. First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. … He then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. ….Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker.” It is unseemly to talk about this? The Navy Cross is the country’s second highest medal for battlefield courage.

Think about this. This very young man led his forty-five marines into a fortified enemy position. Three enemy soldiers suddenly appeared. He personally captured the three of them. Then, he moved to a second bunker and in spite of what has just happened, called on them to surrender. The risk in this was appalling. Not many of us would have taken the chance of waiting to see what these new enemies would do. I would not have. In attacking a third bunker, Webb used his own body to shield one of his men from the blast of an enemy grenade. I am surprised that he did not receive the Medal of Honor.

Unseemly to talk about this? Think about the complete lack of focus on self that these actions exemplify. Do we not need leaders like this?

My God. I pray that we will always have leaders like this who can unflinchingly do their duty, and then, a generation later persist in principled silence and self-sacrifice in the way that Jim insists must be. – Pat Lang

(It’s Webb who thinks it’s “unseemly” to talk about himself.)

]]> By: squiddy http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401018 squiddy Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:35:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-401018 <p>Good point Rumi, and excellent link.<br /> It’s certainly plausible that the sheer number of contamination locations suggests someone is trying to dilute/confuse the Scotland Yard investigation with phony leads. The best place to hide a tree is indeed a forest.<br /> This Lugovoi character seems a plausible suspect. He was released from custody without explanation over a charge which ought to have stuck, especially for a non-Putin darling…..that is unless he was a double agent.<br /> But I’m a pathetic armchair detective at best. This is going to get morbidly interesting. I hope Frontline’s paying attention.</p> Good point Rumi, and excellent link.
It’s certainly plausible that the sheer number of contamination locations suggests someone is trying to dilute/confuse the Scotland Yard investigation with phony leads. The best place to hide a tree is indeed a forest.
This Lugovoi character seems a plausible suspect. He was released from custody without explanation over a charge which ought to have stuck, especially for a non-Putin darling…..that is unless he was a double agent.
But I’m a pathetic armchair detective at best. This is going to get morbidly interesting. I hope Frontline’s paying attention.

]]> By: ConcernedCitizen http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400931 ConcernedCitizen Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:38:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400931 <p>Why was the meeting cancelled?</p> <p>Very simple.</p> <p>Because the supporters of Sadr in the Iraqi government threatened to quit if the meeting went ahead.</p> <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112900324.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00324.html</a></p> <p>Nothing at all to do with any leaked memo out of Washington.</p> <p>So ask yourself WHO’S got the real power in Iraq?</p> Why was the meeting cancelled?

Very simple.

Because the supporters of Sadr in the Iraqi government threatened to quit if the meeting went ahead.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00324.html

Nothing at all to do with any leaked memo out of Washington.

So ask yourself WHO’S got the real power in Iraq?

]]> By: Mary Alice http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400907 Mary Alice Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:20:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400907 <p>If Webb had been an active, elected Democrat in 2003 we probably wouldn’t be in Iraq today. I’m sure he wouldn’t have knuckled under to Bush’s every wish for fear that Bush wouldn’t grace him with a nickname. I would love to know what W is calling him today. It’s probably nothing along the lines of My Main Man.</p> <p>How about Webb in 2008? Hackett could be his veep. </p> <p>Why isn’t anybody who can do something about it screaming about having to wait for the report from the Wise Men (Ed Meese?) while more Americans die everyday.</p> <p>Why shouldn’t Bush be impeached and convicted?</p> If Webb had been an active, elected Democrat in 2003 we probably wouldn’t be in Iraq today. I’m sure he wouldn’t have knuckled under to Bush’s every wish for fear that Bush wouldn’t grace him with a nickname. I would love to know what W is calling him today. It’s probably nothing along the lines of My Main Man.

How about Webb in 2008? Hackett could be his veep.

Why isn’t anybody who can do something about it screaming about having to wait for the report from the Wise Men (Ed Meese?) while more Americans die everyday.

Why shouldn’t Bush be impeached and convicted?

]]> By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400817 rumi Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:12:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400817 <p>I found this link to be informative</p> <p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10081">The Litvinenko Mystery </a></p> I found this link to be informative

The Litvinenko Mystery

]]> By: rumi http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400808 rumi Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:08:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400808 <p>Another possibility is that the sloppy handling, along with so many obvious bits of evidence were meant to happen and be found.</p> <p>Breadcrumbs? This didn’t have to have any public knowledge if any state official wanted someone eliminated.</p> Another possibility is that the sloppy handling, along with so many obvious bits of evidence were meant to happen and be found.

Breadcrumbs? This didn’t have to have any public knowledge if any state official wanted someone eliminated.

]]> By: squiddy http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400779 squiddy Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:54:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400779 <p>Hey Po 84, hey Rayne 91,<br /> Yes, one might expect radiation sensors to have tripped somewhere at any of these airports, London’s too. Could’ve bypassed security though.<br /> From what I’ve read about Polonium-210 is that it’s basically all Alpha wave radiation, effectively no Beta or Gamma signatures. What this means is that as long as you keep it in a rudimentary container, it’s basically contained. This seems at odds with all the contamination evidence (12 locations and counting) we’re getting in now. So either the perpetrators were sloppy lunatics who didn’t know how to handle the stuff, or the contamination spots were there all along and it just took a context (Litvinenko’s poisoning) to start finding them.<br /> There IS a lot more to this. The Gaidar poisoning is troubling. Does anyone know what the poison might’ve been? Any attempts at a chronology anywhere? Any links to more in-depth articles?</p> Hey Po 84, hey Rayne 91,
Yes, one might expect radiation sensors to have tripped somewhere at any of these airports, London’s too. Could’ve bypassed security though.
From what I’ve read about Polonium-210 is that it’s basically all Alpha wave radiation, effectively no Beta or Gamma signatures. What this means is that as long as you keep it in a rudimentary container, it’s basically contained. This seems at odds with all the contamination evidence (12 locations and counting) we’re getting in now. So either the perpetrators were sloppy lunatics who didn’t know how to handle the stuff, or the contamination spots were there all along and it just took a context (Litvinenko’s poisoning) to start finding them.
There IS a lot more to this. The Gaidar poisoning is troubling. Does anyone know what the poison might’ve been? Any attempts at a chronology anywhere? Any links to more in-depth articles?

]]> By: Madison Guy http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400731 Madison Guy Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:13:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/30/morning-cuppa-8/#comment-400731 <p>Blown off by al Maliki, determined to ignore the findings of the ISG, the Moron in Chief seems to be in full battle mode. Heck, why not send a few more troops? <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2006/11/more-troops-here-more-troops-there-and.html"> More troops here, more troops there, and pretty soon you’re talking a real war. </a> Bring it on!</p> <p>A weary, reluctant nation may be forced to impeach him after all, just because it seems to be the only way to stop the carnage.</p> Blown off by al Maliki, determined to ignore the findings of the ISG, the Moron in Chief seems to be in full battle mode. Heck, why not send a few more troops? More troops here, more troops there, and pretty soon you’re talking a real war. Bring it on!

A weary, reluctant nation may be forced to impeach him after all, just because it seems to be the only way to stop the carnage.

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