fitz!

FITZ!

TEDDY!

Bushco destroyed the poor Afghan people after they wiped their boots on them.

I am so ashamed.

5. Bush ignored warnings of the 2001 al-Qaida attack (”you’ve covered yer ass now, get back to Washington….”)

6. Bush voted for himself. Twice.

the latest charge is that by eliminating Saddam- Clusterfuck has turned Iran into a world power with a nasty temper.

I think those 5 pretty much sum them up. But Im drunk.

Bush got out of bed. Pick a day. Any day.

Bush didn’t eat enough pretzels.

I thought it was interesting that when Blitzer was reporting the story about the 52 bodies, he broke from his normal phrasing (52 bodies found) and said “the bodies of 52 murdered people.”

RevDeb @ 8

Bush got out of bed. Pick a day. Any day.

707!

7. Bush ignored the British history in Iraq, specifically the Siege of Kut.

7. Bush didn’t pay attention in school.

TeddySanFran @ 13

6. Bush ignored the British history in Iraq, specifically the Siege of Kut.

Well, not ignored as such. Amazon was sold out on the Big Little Book version.

1. Bush ignored the Palestinians.

2. Bush invaded Iraq.

3. Bush misjudged Iran.

4. Bush hurt Israel.

5. Bush alienated Muslims.

6. Bush hurt Americans

7. Bush hurt planet earth

8. oh heck, let’s make a big one…Bush hurt our children, our grandchildren, our reputation our national security, our armed forces, our inteligence agencies, our infrastructure.

add infinitum

Thank you Jane for this thread.

I read lots that I would like to link to some great articles and will do so b/c it is appropriate:

I certainly couldn’t agree more with what he said on CNN last night. There’s no question that there’s been a blanket of silent for 39 and a half years and running in most of the mainstream media about what is happening daily in the Occupied Territories. The very fact that they are occupied territories, and that it’s been 39 and a half years, is never, never mentioned in most news reports.

http://www.democracynow.org/ar…..28/1454248

1. Bush ignored the Palestinians. – whose grievances are the primary source of ME turmoil for the last 50 years.

2. Bush invaded Iraq, a country that did not attack or threaten us, and who’s position was maintaining a balance between Sunni states and Shia states.

3. Bush misjudged Iran, which he had identified as part of the axis of evil and is highly distrusted by all the Sunni regimes whom we befriend.

4. Bush hurt Israel, our closest and longest ally in the region.

5. Bush alienated Muslims, all 1.1 billion of them.

Those are just little bitty mistakes. What’s the problem?

9. Bush let NOLA and the Gulf Coast drown

8. Bush disobeyed the House of Saud, his employer.

Bush lied about Iraqi WMD.

Bush lied about Iraqi involvement in 9/11.

Bush lied about the lies.

There are many in addition to Lieberman and Bush that are responsible for bringing the world to the ‘brink’. Not just Republicans and fake Democrats. I want them all to be forced to take responsibility for their actions. To do less is to disgrace those men and women who have fallen in service to their country in Iraq. I want justice.

in actuality, Bush has made only one mistake. He said “bring it on” …at least according to him.

EvilDrPuma @ 15

TeddySanFran @ 13

6. Bush ignored the British history in Iraq, specifically the Siege of Kut.

Well, not ignored as such. Amazon was sold out on the Big Little Book version.

. bush ignored the advise of our military strategists and generals who informed him in NO uncertain terms invading Iraq would harm America

. bush ignored his entire anti terror legue who infomed him in NO unceratin terms attacking Iraq would exacerbate the war against terrorism

I cited this earlier today, but it might be worth something to some:

“People do not forget. They do not forget the death of their fellows, they do not forget torture and mutilation, they do not forget injustice, they do not forget oppression, they do not forget the terrorism of mighty powers. They not only don’t forget; they also strike back.” Harold Pinter, Nobel Laureate

The central tenet of American foreign policy hasn’t changed since the early 1980s when Secretary of State Henry Kissinger summarized our involvement in the Iraq-Iraq War saying, “I hope they kill each other.” Kissinger’s dictum reveals the basic racial and religious odium which animates the current policy and has become the organizing principle for maintaining the global empire.

Now that the Muslim world has been systematically ravaged from the southern-most part Gaza to the northern tip of Afghanistan, we can see that the application of the Kissinger Doctrine is an effective method for decimating societies where coveted resources are located.

By all accounts, it’s been a huge success.

http://www.informationclearing…..e15762.htm

Bush shredded the Constitution and used it for kitty litter.

Actually, it might be easier to list what he did RIGHT!

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Absolutely NOTHING!

Bush’s only goal since taking office has been to fatten the family trust fund accounts. Oh, I forgot about the daily bike rides. He has two goals.

guys – the topic was mistakes in the middle east – dont go getting all selfish and making it about us.

Bush lied and our kids died.
It is so hard to fathom how the families who have lost a child, husband, father, daughter, mother, are able to cope with the events that are going on in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Not to mention all those injured who will never be “whole” again.

I have to take exception with 4. Bush hurt Israel. No, Israel hurt Israel. Israel has probably the worse political leadership on the planet. Olmert, Peretz, and Netanyahu are bumbling bigoted idiots and they don’t even represent the fringe of Israeli politics.

7263. Bush lied about fish size

Hugh @ 30

I have to take exception with 4. Bush hurt Israel. No, Israel hurt Israel. Israel has probably the worse political leadership on the planet. Olmert, Peretz, and Netanyahu are bumbling bigoted idiots and they don’t even represent the fringe of Israeli politics.

I think those guys come in a distant second to Bush & Cheney.

Per Time: “4. Bush hurt Israel. If protecting Israel had been a key goal of the Administration’s policies, it is hard to see how they have helped make the Jewish State better off today. Having gotten rid of Arafat, they have instead to face Hamas. And continuous rocket attacks from Gaza have highlighted the limits of what Israel can achieve through its plans to unilaterally redraw its borders. The confrontation in Lebanon over the summer and the messy engagement in Gaza also highlight the limits on the deterrent capacity of Israel’s military advantages. Spreading instability in the region is not in Israel’s long-term interests; nor is a nuclear Iran.”

Instability in the region has consistently worked to Israeli advantage. The myth of a constant and dire threat to the State of Israel and the “unreasonable/radical” nature of Palestinian leadership has been an excuse to temporize since 1948. All the while Israel is able to claim “justification” for settling more land, taking more orchards, aquifers, prisoners, etc. The current administration’s policy has been part and parcel of the right wing Israeli policy. This may indeed have been flawed policy, but not by accident.

But I think the one about misjudging Iran is sorta wrong – wouldn’t one have to use judgement to misjudge?

And the comment about Bush not reading British hsitory is very funny. Maybe if it was about a British goat that got lost in the desert there’d have been a chance, but otherwise let’s try to keep this thread in the reality zone.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…../iran_iraq

Link to story announcing a security agreement between Iran and Iraq- details to be announced “soon”..Iran says that the US needs to leave Iraq

Iraq president shown givin kissy face ta Iranian President

Maybe this is why there was no meeting tonight in Jordan!!!

Haven’t been able to keep up today, not sure if this has already been linked to, but you don’t see this kind of thing very often from this administration:

Apology Note

How’s that unilateralism working out for you, W?

You know, the bit where you are running the world for everyone’s sake?

Karl said you could create your own reality. Having fun in the land of dreamy dreams about now? Time to wake up and admit you’re not in charge of anything whatsoever. Time to resign before you hurt yourself, since that’s about all you seem concerned about.

angie @ 25

I cited this earlier today, but it might be worth something to some:

“People do not forget. They do not forget the death of their fellows, they do not forget torture and mutilation, they do not forget injustice, they do not forget oppression, they do not forget the terrorism of mighty powers. They not only don’t forget; they also strike back.” Harold Pinter, Nobel Laureate

The central tenet of American foreign policy hasn’t changed since the early 1980s when Secretary of State Henry Kissinger summarized our involvement in the Iraq-Iraq War saying, “I hope they kill each other.” Kissinger’s dictum reveals the basic racial and religious odium which animates the current policy and has become the organizing principle for maintaining the global empire.

Now that the Muslim world has been systematically ravaged from the southern-most part Gaza to the northern tip of Afghanistan, we can see that the application of the Kissinger Doctrine is an effective method for decimating societies where coveted resources are located.

By all accounts, it’s been a huge success.

http://www.informationclearing…..e15762.htm

I like it.

They’re ripping Hadley in the first segment of the News Hour right now as not understanding Iraq.

Lead Paragraph from story linked above:

TEHRAN, Iran – Iraq’s president said Wednesday he had reached a security agreement with Iran, which the United States accuses of fueling the chaos in the war-torn country. Iran’s president called on countries to stop backing “terrorists” in Iraq and for the Americans to withdraw

m’kay– tis my last contribution tonight.

Watch this about Iraq and us. Or read it.

Either way if you can.

http://www.informationclearing…..e15757.htm

Dubya murdered Habeas Corpus. Ah, that pesky Bill of Rights.
And the prick pretends he’s from here (Texas) which pisses me off to no end.

rw @35,
Thanks for the heads up.

Hugh @ 30

I have to take exception with 4. Bush hurt Israel. No, Israel hurt Israel. Israel has probably the worse political leadership on the planet. Olmert, Peretz, and Netanyahu are bumbling bigoted idiots and they don’t even represent the fringe of Israeli politics.

I agree about the quality of their leadership, but I think it’s still true that Bush’s ME policy has made Irsrael’s security situation worse.

The interesting thing about the Time article is both the minimalist (but devastating) list of failures; it’s also how they phrase the lead in:

The Five Fatal Mistakes of Bush’s Mideast Policy
Analysis: The U.S. President may have had noble aims, but his administration’s policies have helped push the region toward catastrophe.

Kinda hard for Karl Rove Mike Allen to spin that one.

Bush ignored everyone but the crazies.

Bush delegated the presidency to The Bull Goose Crazy, then rode off on his bike. Looking like Arte Johnson from a Laugh-In skit.

Oh yeah, and that torture thing.

T minus 6 = Olbermann.

After 9/11 I thought for sure that the US would 1) take out the Taliban and put Afghanistan on its feet, and 2) “lean” on Israel to make peace with the Palestinians.

If the US was *ever* going to solve the Israel/Palistinian problem, it was then. Because then there was total bi-partisanship, support for Bush, and support from around the world. It can not be understated how big a missed opportunity that was, and that is Bush’s biggest mistake. Instead he has done the complete opposite, and that is his legacy.

Incidentally, when was this blood alcohol 2.0 requirement added to FDL? Is that for all commenters?

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Bush let Fascists lead him around by the short hairs…

Holiday Activism

Hardball underline: “Can Pelosi Get Control?”

boy howdy, David Schuster!

Looking at my comment above, I thought maybe I should clarify. I *was* actually aware that George Harrison had died. Just not that it happened 5 years ago today.

The conservatidiots getting their panties in a bunch about Happy Feet story on CNN again… lol

Bush has caused catastrophic damage to the way the US is perceived from overseas. Speaking as someone who immigrated to the US, I don’t think that many Americans understand how big the shadow the US casts across the world actually is.

Bush led fascists around by the short hairs…

Don’t let his moronic appearance fool ya- this guy’s right up there with the swastika crowd.

I have been OT today (sorry) and now EPU’d twice. Hope it is O.K. to bring forward my comment left behind:

David Sirota has a piece about Charlie Rangel over at Huffington Post. I can’t link, but I copied the part of the second paragraph which gives you the gist of his bewilderment at Charlie’s actions.

… That’s not what appears to be happening. In the weeks after the congressional election, Rangel has expressed interest in doing the exact opposite: preserving President Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy; considering Social Security benefit cuts and retirement age hikes; and supporting lobbyist-written trade pacts that have no wage, environmental or human rights protections in them. He has, in other words, moved to side firmly [he includes a link here and am paraphrasing] of the money party.

What’s up with that?

KO special comment tomorrow!

On Gingrich and “freedom” of speech.

I’m surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but since nobody else has said it: I don’t blame Bush. I blame Clinton.

Renee in Ohio @ 50

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Semi interesting bit of trivia: George Harrison spent his final days at Staten Island Hospital, where I had my surgery in August.

Happy Holidays

I can think of one, but I wouldn’t want to second guess the President while he’s fighting the Global War on Terror.

Hold onto your seatbelts- if Iran and Iraq agree that Iran will provide the security forces- well then Iraq could tell Clusterfuck ta take a flyin fuck off a short pier—gettin pretty interesting.

I thought it was a war of terror?

Pelosi will do the job.

Actually, it’s War on Terra.

I used to read the world would have been very different if only Hitler had been accepted to art school.

Today I believe the world would be very different if Bush Jr. would have been offered the job of Baseball Commissioner the day before he decided to run for gov. of Texas.

scarecrow @ 44

Hugh @ 30

I have to take exception with 4. Bush hurt Israel. No, Israel hurt Israel. Israel has probably the worse political leadership on the planet. Olmert, Peretz, and Netanyahu are bumbling bigoted idiots and they don’t even represent the fringe of Israeli politics.

I agree about the quality of their leadership, but I think it’s still true that Bush’s ME policy has made Irsrael’s security situation worse.

The interesting thing about the Time article is both the minimalist (but devastating) list of failures; it’s also how they phrase the lead in:

The Five Fatal Mistakes of Bush’s Mideast Policy
Analysis: The U.S. President may have had noble aims, but his administration’s policies have helped push the region toward catastrophe.

Kinda hard for Karl Rove Mike Allen to spin that one.

not really. he can say hey, we meant well. but who knew them iraqis were so barbaric and ungrateful?

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

lina @ 66

I used to read the world would have been very different if only Hitler had been accepted to art school.

Today I believe the world would be very different if Bush Jr. would have been offered the job of Baseball Commissioner the day before he decided to run for gov. of Texas.

Yes, but baseball would now be a disaster. C’mon!

Or to use the Time mimalist approach:

1. The foul lines would be moved to the extreme right.

2. The umpires would all be biased and there would be no rules

3. Only one side would be allowed to bat

4. The batting side could not be called out

5. The fans would be frightened into attending the games.

Subway Serenade @ 60

Renee in Ohio @ 50

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Semi interesting bit of trivia: George Harrison spent his final days at Staten Island Hospital, where I had my surgery in August.

Happy Holidays

Bless you both and btw, he is my favorite Beatle.

Jim Webb is a no bullsh’t guy. I like him. He’s OK.

“Today I believe the world would be very different if Bush Jr. would have been offered the job of Baseball Commissioner the day before he decided to run for gov. of Texas.”

yeah- major league baseball would be bankrupt!

Renee in Ohio @ 65

Actually, it’s War on Terra.

what, a war on weeds?

This is OT, but…anybody know why Keith is taking a pass tonight? He mentioned circumstances “too complicated” to explain.

rwcole @ 68

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

Yes.
Anyone heard an uproar (I’m shocked… Shocked) about the leak?

kitty @ 73

Renee in Ohio @ 65

Actually, it’s War on Terra.

what, a war on weeds?

No, Earth.

angie @ 70

Subway Serenade @ 60

Renee in Ohio @ 50

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Semi interesting bit of trivia: George Harrison spent his final days at Staten Island Hospital, where I had my surgery in August.

Happy Holidays

Bless you both and btw, he is my favorite Beatle.

I was lucky enough to see the fab four in Candlestick Park in SF in 1966. There was electricity in the air. Beatles forever!

newtonusr @ 75

rwcole @ 68

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

Yes.
Anyone heard an uproar (I’m shocked… Shocked) about the leak?

That’s the litmus test, all right!

George Harrison. “All Things Must Pass”.

Schuster on Webb, with whats-her-name subbing for KO.

Webb sure got a lot of play so far outta that response to Bush at the WH.

It’s the war on Tarot- and other satanic practices.

mrsmarks @ 78

newtonusr @ 75

rwcole @ 68

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

Yes.
Anyone heard an uproar (I’m shocked… Shocked) about the leak?

That’s the litmus test, all right!

And they are spinning it to suggest it actually backs Maliki…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 79

George Harrison. “All Things Must Pass”.

George Harrison. “Taxman”.

Lovely George Harrison and strife in the ME dont go together for me so good bye to all.

There is much I disagree with Senator-elect Webb about, but I am heartened to learn how much he’s changed his opinions as the culture and events have changed. He needs to come along on MY issue — but I see lots of potential in him.

Still not sure I’m willing to give a Reagan appointee a major role in my party without seeing him make efforts on MY issue.

Shuster on Olbermann says Webb has a vested interest in Iraq. His son. Shuster also remarks that Senator Webb is tough and won’t back down.

kitty @ 8

I think those 5 pretty much sum them up. But Im drunk.

kitty @ 84

Lovely George Harrison and strife in the ME dont go together for me so good bye to all.

buh-bye.

Here’s the Time Magazine obit for George Harrison

All the same, it is much too soon for George Harrison to be gone. All things must pass, he said. O.K., we say back. O.K., we know. We have lived through Sept. 11. We have seen things pass. We listen to his song differently now, cherishing it as a warning against old complacencies and a promise that the darkness of this moment too shall pass. But about some things, we still feel the same way. One of them is this: Long live the Beatles.

So we get a memo linked that says that the Iraqi Prime Minister ain’t up to the job–right after that the Iraqi Prime Minister refuses to break bread with Clusterfuck (because Israel is gonna be the dinner conversation?)

THEN–Iraq announces a security agreement with Iran and Iran asks Clusterfuck to leave Iraq–Iran and Iraq president shown havin oral sex of the face..

What’s goin on here?

TeddySanFran @ 85

There is much I disagree with Senator-elect Webb about, but I am heartened to learn how much he’s changed his opinions as the culture and events have changed. He needs to come along on MY issue — but I see lots of potential in him.

Still not sure I’m willing to give a Reagan appointee a major role in my party without seeing him make efforts on MY issue.

Webb’s Op-Ed sure went a long way to convincing me

The cocktail hour has now made it’s way through three time zones and has already claimed it’s first victim-

bottoms up!

OfT, prevthread, needed to update you all on my previous post of Larry Kissell’s email. New one just received.

November 29, 2006 Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!
On to 2008!!!
Let’s Go Again
I just released this simple statement bringing the amazing 2006 campaign you helped carry so far to an official close. I just had to share it with you, thank you again for all your support, and ask that you join me in looking forward to a better future.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

“The fight for the future of this District is too important to postpone another day. That’s why I’m running for Congress in 2008 starting right now.

After today’s recounts, I offer Congressman Hayes a belated congratulation for his victory now that the votes have been counted.

When I started my run for Congress I said it’s not about who you are or how much money you have, it’s about what you stand for. The folks who voted for me knew I stood with them.

And while the 2006 election is officially behind us, I recognize that the future is already upon us. My vision of the future is simple, help those who have been pushed aside by the Washington politicians and special interests.

I offer Congressman Hayes my prayers that he return safely to Washington and that he and his family have a blessed holiday.”

You know exactly what that means. Let’s go again! I’m energized and ready to meet those 327 or so voters we missed on election day many times over during the next two years. Together, we will do this and we will take our Country back!

Thanks so much for all your support, and God bless.

Contact Information
email: info AT larrykissell DAUGHT com
phone: 877-454-7735
web: http://www.LarryKissell.com

Renee in Ohio @ 88

Here’s the Time Magazine obit for George Harrison

All the same, it is much too soon for George Harrison to be gone. All things must pass, he said. O.K., we say back. O.K., we know. We have lived through Sept. 11. We have seen things pass. We listen to his song differently now, cherishing it as a warning against old complacencies and a promise that the darkness of this moment too shall pass. But about some things, we still feel the same way. One of them is this: Long live the Beatles.

I watched “Yellow Submarine” the other night. They really are Blue Meanies, aren’t they?

gotta grab me a Larry Kissell vod ‘tini. Scumps!

TeddySanFran @ 85

There is much I disagree with Senator-elect Webb about, but I am heartened to learn how much he’s changed his opinions as the culture and events have changed. He needs to come along on MY issue — but I see lots of potential in him.

Still not sure I’m willing to give a Reagan appointee a major role in my party without seeing him make efforts on MY issue.

There is no way that he is does not think, TSF.
We will rise up with him and protect all those under the boot of oppression.

He’s a- ok.

It scares me that Webb might be that guy:

We will rise up with him and protect all those under the boot of oppression.

Scarey-good, maybe.

newtonusr @
75

rwcole @ 68

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

Yes.
Anyone heard an uproar (I’m shocked… Shocked) about the leak?

Actually, I think “who leaked this, and why” are interesting questions. I don’t really believe the Bush loyalists would not have expected Maliki to retaliate. I don’t believe they would have flown the President of the United States to Jordan under conditions in which he might be shown up.

So my guess (pure speculation) is that someone who wanted to undermine not just Maliki but the whole strategy of the Hadley memo — which was to try to build up Maliki and get him to do all the things Bush wanted done. This view assumes that the overall aim was to create conditions under which Maliki would be replaced by a “strongman” who would then assert the power to dismantle the Shia militia, co-opt and disarm the sunnis, restribute oil revenues and unify the country. I think these are all Cheney-neocon notions, under the delusion of “we can still win.” So my money is on one of Cheney’s minions leaking the memo.

The WH would not be able to publically complain about this leak, because they know who did it, and the last thing Bush needs is to acknowledge that he has a rogue VP and a civil war going on in his own administration.

So the new bushel of sh’t from Rove is that the Iraq mess is the Iraqi’s fault?

And now we’re going to send more soldiers to Iraq? I’m really fed up.

TeddySanFran @ 94

gotta grab me a Larry Kissell vod ‘tini. Scumps!

I hope to see Victoria Wulsin, Charlie Brown, Robert Rodriguez, and all our other almost-made-it-in-spite-of-starting-with-nothing candidates join Larry and try again in 2008.

Clearly the ’sensible centrists’ don’t get it yet, and need to beat over the head again in 2008.

And with all this political action our Democratic leader, Hillary, remains silent. This is leadership?

It is my understanding that the Hadley memo has been around for 3 weeks so probably a lot of people could have leaked it.

Reasons:
Embarrass Bush: Cheney or one of his henchmen try to force Bush to keep to a tougher line on Iraq in advance of the Baker-Hamilton ISG report.

Embarrass Maliki: As a means of putting pressure on him to act more decisively although the current situation in Iraq and the Iraqi constitution leave him virtually powerless. And the Administration in denial about civil war fundamentally doesn’t understand what the current situation in Iraq is or what we or Maliki can do about it. If I had to guess, I would go with this reason because it has the typical wrongheaded culturally insensitive vindictive hamfistedness that characterizes so much of the frat boy approach to diplomacy of Bush and his entourage.

TeddySanFran @ 96

It scares me that Webb might be that guy:

We will rise up with him and protect all those under the boot of oppression.

Scarey-good, maybe.

sorry ’bout that, but it’s time to leave good humans alone. I am so tired of hurting the disenfranchised “in my name”.

crow

Suppose that Clusterfuck knew that Iraq was about to enter into defense agreements with Iran and Syria which would eventually lead to asking Clusterfuck to leave the country..that would provide plenty of reason to create an incident that would lead to blowin up the purple finger government and startin all over with a strong armer who is totally dependent on the US..

Just a thought- but this has been swirling around for a while- sometimes under the guise of “the goal of democracy for Iraq will probably have to be abandoned.”

I would hope that Webb supports gay concerns. If he does not, I will be disappointed. And I shall make my disappointment known. If necessary.

I’m not sure what this Webb story is really all about- but at a minimum- it shows that he knows how to get his name and face out there and that he’s not shy about doing it.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 99

I hope to see Victoria Wulsin, Charlie Brown, Robert Rodriguez, and all our other almost-made-it-in-spite-of-starting-with-nothing candidates join Larry and try again in 2008.

Clearly the ’sensible centrists’ don’t get it yet, and need to beat over the head again in 2008.

I’m looking forward to John Laesch in 2007 as well!

scarecrow @ 97

newtonusr @
75

rwcole @ 68

So did Clusterfuck deliberately leak Hadley’s memo to the press just before goin off to pow wow with the Iraqi Prime Minister?

Is that a stupid enough move to match with his normal MO?

Who the hell ELSE could leak Hadley’s memo?

Yes.
Anyone heard an uproar (I’m shocked… Shocked) about the leak?

Actually, I think “who leaked this, and why” are interesting questions. I don’t really believe the Bush loyalists would not have expected Maliki to retaliate. I don’t believe they would have flown the President of the United States to Jordan under conditions in which he might be shown up.

So my guess (pure speculation) is that someone who wanted to undermine not just Maliki but the whole strategy of the Hadley memo — which was to try to build up Maliki and get him to do all the things Bush wanted done. This view assumes that the overall aim was to create conditions under which Maliki would be replaced by a “strongman” who would then assert the power to dismantle the Shia militia, co-opt and disarm the sunnis, restribute oil revenues and unify the country. I think these are all Cheney-neocon notions, under the delusion of “we can still win.” So my money is on one of Cheney’s minions leaking the memo.

The WH would not be able to publically complain about this leak, because they know who did it, and the last thing Bush needs is to acknowledge that he has a rogue VP and a civil war going on in his own administration.

this is plausible.

Isn’t the Global War on Tara for those of us who have had enough of Gone with the Wind?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 104

I would hope that Webb supports gay concerns. If he does not, I will be disappointed. And I shall make my disappointment known. If necessary.

Government’s power should end at my front door. Jim Webb opposes ban on gay marriage, supports civil unions.

So, I just gotta ask, how does anybody here feel about Jimmy Carter speaking out now?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 104

I would hope that Webb supports gay concerns. If he does not, I will be disappointed. And I shall make my disappointment known. If necessary.

My recollection is that Webb and Allen had the same position on the Virginia Hate Amendment this year, their co-balloteer. Nice work, that, pulling out the base for your issue, Karl. Gotcher laddie Macaca in a world o’hurt, didn’t it?

I will always believe, btw, that Macacawitz 2008 was Rover’s #1 pick.

Webb has a kid serving in Iraq. And my impression is he’d like to bring the boys and girls home.

Jimmy Carter speaking out is what our world needs right now.

More, please, sir.

OT– Link to a study of political blogs, here

Some good questions, worth the time IMHO.

About ten minutes or so to complete.

angie @ 110

So, I just gotta ask, how does anybody here feel about Jimmy Carter speaking out now?

President Carter can, and though he does not know it, speaks for me.

rwcole — on one of the shows tonight, the “experts” were speculating along those lines, but then concluded that if the Bushies wanted to take down Maliki, why leak an otherwise ambiguous memo to the NYT? They have lots of other more direct means that would not have the President’s National Security Advisor’s handwriting all over it to undermine the PM.

What I found interesting was that the leaker(s) didn’t just talk to reporters about some memo they’d seen. The leaker actually gave the NYT a copy of the memo, which the NYT dutifully (predictably) printed in full.

The only thing that’s clear is that someone very much wanted that memo out there, today, but we can’t be sure exactly which sentence/paragraph they really wanted out there and who the audience was. The Baker group? It may have nothing do to with Maliki’s competence but something completely different. I’m just guessing that it’s a Cheney operation.

TeddySanFran @
49

Incidentally, when was this blood alcohol 2.0 requirement added to FDL? Is that for all commenters?

If so, we commenters (and the main posters above) may wish to notify next of kin.

They won’t be hearing from us again.

Wiki has the gory details:

Unless a person has developed a high tolerance, a BAC rating of 0.20 represents very serious intoxication (most first-time drinkers would be passed out by about 0.15), and 0.35 represents potentially fatal alcohol poisoning. 0.40 is the accepted LD50, or lethal dose for 50% of adult humans. For a long-time, heavy drinker, those numbers can at least double. In extreme cases, individuals have survived BAC ratings as high as 0.914.

.02-.03% Noticeable cognitive changes

.10-.15% Person obviously intoxicated, delirium

.24-.36% Loss of consciousness

.48% Severe coma and death

[The wiki article has more details about BAL which in the US is determined as mass/volume in Standard International units (most commonly grams/deciliter}. Other nations measure mass volume in different mass/volume units, and our .20 = their 2.0.

PS: As ever, our Ladies are not in error - they just view the world from a broader perspective.]

angie- I like Carter but I must take issue with his describing Rumsfeld as a decent and honorable man (something to that effect)who happened to be a bad Secretary or Defense.

My daughter just called from La Jolla. She said, “Pops, I love that man from Plains”. And I said, ’so do I’.

Everythingseemssoneat @ 118

angie- I like Carter but I must take issue with his describing Rumsfeld as a decent and honorable man (something to that effect)who happened to be a bad Secretary or Defense.

At least Jimmy didn’t go support Holy Joe in the primary.

angie @ 110

So, I just gotta ask, how does anybody here feel about Jimmy Carter speaking out now?

In the years when Bush and Rove had the media in their pockets all the way all the time, I think Carter would have been dismissed. Now with the Wurlitzer playing offkey and out of tune, there is more of an opportunity for alternate voices to speak out and be heard. I would ask why there are not more people speaking out now (and yes, I mean you Bill and Hillary among others). Why is it Jimmy Carter always has to be the voice of sanity and conscience?

scarecrow @ 116

rwcole — on one of the shows tonight, the “experts” were speculating along those lines, but then concluded that if the Bushies wanted to take down Maliki, why leak an otherwise ambiguous memo to the NYT? They have lots of other more direct means that would not have the President’s National Security Advisor’s handwriting all over it to undermine the PM.

What I found interesting was that the leaker(s) didn’t just talk to reporters about some memo they’d seen. The leaker actually gave the NYT a copy of the memo, which the NYT dutifully (predictably) printed in full.

The only thing that’s clear is that someone very much wanted that memo out there, today, but we can’t be sure exactly which sentence/paragraph they really wanted out there and who the audience was. The Baker group? It may have nothing do to with Maliki’s competence but something completely different. I’m just guessing that it’s a Cheney operation.

because the Saudis told him to?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 119

My daughter just called from La Jolla. She said, “Pops, I love that man from Plains”. And I said, ’so do I’.

It’s been interesting watching Carter be interviewed by the trad media hosts — I’ve seen about three or four, now — and virtually every one of them has been shocked, incredulous, that Carter could suggest that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians (or Lebanese) has been blameworthy. As though they just couldn’t get their minds aroung the concept. That explains why all of the networks could show the devastation and killing in Gaza (and Lebanon), night after night, and still describe it as “Israeli military operations against insurgents and/or terrorists” and never see it as the horror it was.

“Why is it Jimmy Carter always has to be the voice of sanity and conscience?”

That’s what he does. ;)

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 120

Everythingseemssoneat @ 118

angie- I like Carter but I must take issue with his describing Rumsfeld as a decent and honorable man (something to that effect)who happened to be a bad Secretary or Defense.

At least Jimmy didn’t go support Holy Joe in the primary.

I am constantly suprised by our leaders who never really address issues.

James Carter is still working for justice and if America wakes up, he will lead us out of the quagmire of our killing fields.

Bush ignored and underestimated Kim Jong Il.

Holy shit- goopers invading Florida again:

As the rising sun danced across Florida’s coastal waters, government workers in shorts and T-shirts knelt in a grassy island field and plucked wriggling rats from traps laid the night before. These weren’t just any rats. They were 3-pound, 35-inch-long African behemoths. They squirmed as the workers, wearing protective gloves, removed green radio collars that had been tracking the rodents’ movements. All 18 of the animals were carted away for research.

scarecrow @ 123

Oklahoma kiddo @ 119

My daughter just called from La Jolla. She said, “Pops, I love that man from Plains”. And I said, ’so do I’.

It’s been interesting watching Carter be interviewed by the trad media hosts — I’ve seen about three or four, now — and virtually every one of them has been shocked, incredulous, that Carter could suggest that Israel’s treatment of Palestinians (or Lebanese) has been blameworthy. As though they just couldn’t get their minds aroung the concept. That explains why all of the networks could show the devastation and killing in Gaza (and Lebonon), night after night, and still describe it as “Israeli military operations against insurgents and/or terrorists” and never see it as the horror it was.

Very frustrating!

Ms Hamsher: serious type. “blood alcohol level less than 2.0″. No. That should be “IQ level above 20″.

jeffreyw @
114

OT– Link to a study of political blogs, here

Some good questions, worth the time IMHO.

About ten minutes or so to complete.

thanks jeffreyw. that was fun.

but how about “when teddys attack” on Countdown?

TeddySanFran @ 111

My recollection is that Webb and Allen had the same position on the Virginia Hate Amendment this year, their co-balloteer. Nice work, that, pulling out the base for your issue, Karl. Gotcher laddie Macaca in a world o’hurt, didn’t it?

I will always believe, btw, that Macacawitz 2008 was Rover’s #1 pick.

Nope, Webb was against the amendment. He took the somewhat palatable route (palatable for more Virginia voters) of being against it because it was terrible law, and infringed on all sorts of legal relationships in addition to gay marriage/civil unions, but he was solidly against it.

should be “serious typo.” There’s irony for you.

angie and ifthethunderdontgetya- I agree with both of you.

6. Bush re-opened the wounds of Vietnam.
It is heartbreaking to see old vets suffering with PTSD and shattered bodies saying if Bush just wants kids to go over and get killed, why doesn’t he send guys like me…. There are a lot of guys like this one, for whom the war in Vietnam has returned in all its haunting nightmares. AWOL partyboy Bush has betrayed his band of brothers twice in two millennia.
Heckuva job, Bushie.
Worst. President. Ever.
Smallest, too.

[sidebar to the rubberstamp thread, and apologies if this is redundant, I’m not able to keep up on the threads these days, the stamp belongs on the Washington Mall right between the Vietnam war memorial…and the coming one….]

Bush turned our country from a beacon to the world on human rights (however imperfectly we actually implemented them) to one of those countries we used to be able to criticize for their rights record.

TeddySanFran @ 49

Incidentally, when was this blood alcohol 2.0 requirement added to FDL? Is that for all commenters?

Evidently not.

The other white meat:

Lahore, Pakistan – The majority of Afghans think the Taliban is winning its war against the government of President Hamid Karzai.

Afghans also think that U.S. and NATO forces who are battling the Taliban across the country are incapable of stemming the Taliban tide. So far this year at least 4000 people have been killed in Taliban attacks, including some 217 people killed in 97 suicide bombing attacks.

At its summit in Riga on Tuesday, NATO has to decide whether it’s going to take Afghanistan seriously and induct desperately needed additional troops, aircraft and development aid from member states who have so far proved reluctant to provide them or face the humiliation of loosing greater parts of rural Afghanistan to the Taliban. The U.S. bogged down in extracting itself from Iraq is unlikely to be able to provide additional troops or war materials for the fight in Afghanistan.

Pashtun tribal leaders in Peshawar say the Taliban are preparing a major offensive in February for which thousands of men and armaments are being mobilized in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. Meanwhile President Hamid Karzai has so far failed to decisively stem the tide of corruption, drugs trafficking and warlordism that continues to beset those areas of Afghanistan where the Taliban are not active.

After facing a spate of accusations that Pakistan is harboring the Taliban leadership and is unwilling to shut down the Taliban bases on its soil, Pakistani officials have gone on the offensive telling NATO members states that they are certain to lose and that NATO should just give up and talk to the Taliban.

Pakistani officials are now expressing open criticism of U.S. and NATO policy in Afghanistan as well as strident criticism of Karzai. The U.S. — unwilling to annoy either Pakistan or Afghanistan, both ostensibly allies in the war on terrorism — finds it caught between a rock and a hard place

Hugh @ 121, and where is Al Gore?

Jimmy Carter is dealing with truth and a most important issue– he’s putting the Israel/Palestine conflict front and center– and slamming bushco as he absolutely should and leave Iraq to bushco (though Clinton and Albright deserve rebuke about that, too)

on the other hand, I am so anxious to hear what he has to say about Afghanistan.

I do so admire him, though.

Subway Serenade @
60

Renee in Ohio @ 50

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Semi interesting bit of trivia: George Harrison spent his final days at Staten Island Hospital, where I had my surgery in August.

[snip]

Subway, I may be misunderstanding “final days” as used above, but the statement would come as a great surprise to some California physicians – not least the one who signed the death certificate.

George Died in Paul’s Home – says Report
added Dec 19th

A new twist in the mystery of where George Harrison died in Los Angeles last month has emerged with a local TV station reporting he passed away in a secluded Beverly Hills estate owned by ex-bandmate Paul McCartney.

The Los Angeles affiliate of the UPN network, citing unnamed sources, reported Tuesday night that McCartney bought the Beverly Hills house from rock star Courtney Love six months ago and allowed Harrison to use it in the last days of his life. Harrison died on November 29.

UPN News13 said that two weeks before Harrison’s death, McCartney visited him and told him he could borrow the secluded home, which is tucked away behind a gated driveway.

The home is located high above a tree-lined road near the UCLA Medical Centre where Harrison received cancer treatments in his last weeks of life, UPN News13 reported.

I hope it’s OK I omitted the URL for your holiday release. I wish you joyous holidays and success in your creative work and commercial efforts, but – as a clinician – I’m uncomfortable if I seem to be associating a solicitation for purchases with the death of a human being.

That’s just my idiosyncratic view.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Bright blessings!

TeddySanFran @ 85

There is much I disagree with Senator-elect Webb about, but I am heartened to learn how much he’s changed his opinions as the culture and events have changed. He needs to come along on MY issue — but I see lots of potential in him.

Still not sure I’m willing to give a Reagan appointee a major role in my party without seeing him make efforts on MY issue.

Webb’s view on gay rights and gun rights is that the government stops at one’s front door.

Had the neocons and their partners in crime done right by Afghanistan, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are today and Bush might have come out smelling like a rose. But Bush wouldn’t want to do anything positive, even by accident.

I’ve heard rumors and murmurs, coming on the tail end of being stood up, by that guy in Iraq, that the President is impotent. (Politically)

The libertarian wing of the gooper party and the libertarian wing (if there is one) of the dem party have a lot that they can agree on- like get yer fuckin religion outta my face!

gotta go lite up the Castro Festivus tree.

with Donna Sachet and Bevan Dufty.

c u all later.

Yeah Bush is one of them guys who just can’t stand success- he’ll find a way ta fuck it up.

At this point, I would take Carter’s counsel on the nature of my belly-button.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 104

I would hope that Webb supports gay concerns. If he does not, I will be disappointed. And I shall make my disappointment known. If necessary.

Gay rights and gun rights “The government stops at my front door”–Webb

Redshift @
135

Bush turned our country from a beacon to the world on human rights (however imperfectly we actually implemented them) to one of those countries we used to be able to criticize for their rights record.

Kinda like the plot from Jamaica Inn where, instead of tending the beacon of hope for the world, a nasty crew dowses the erstwhile guiding light and then plunders the resulting wrecks that foundered on their lies.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 147

At this point, I would take Carter’s counsel on the nature of my belly-button.

“innie” or “outie”?

only the Silent Service know

and they’re not sayin’

TeddySanFran @ 111

Oklahoma kiddo @ 104

I would hope that Webb supports gay concerns. If he does not, I will be disappointed. And I shall make my disappointment known. If necessary.

My recollection is that Webb and Allen had the same position on the Virginia Hate Amendment this year, their co-balloteer. Nice work, that, pulling out the base for your issue, Karl. Gotcher laddie Macaca in a world o’hurt, didn’t it?

I will always believe, btw, that Macacawitz 2008 was Rover’s #1 pick.

Webb opposed the amendment.

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

The libertarian formula- mixed with populism- is a winner in the gooper west.

“Things” are about to explode in the Middle East. Something’s got to give.

Redshift @ 135

Bush turned our country from a beacon to the world on human rights (however imperfectly we actually implemented them) to one of those countries we used to be able to criticize for their rights record.

Tell me about it.

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

Are there implications?

Joke Klein is making me puke.

On Scarborough.

Hugh @ 121

angie @ 110

So, I just gotta ask, how does anybody here feel about Jimmy Carter speaking out now?

In the years when Bush and Rove had the media in their pockets all the way all the time, I think Carter would have been dismissed. Now with the Wurlitzer playing offkey and out of tune, there is more of an opportunity for alternate voices to speak out and be heard. I would ask why there are not more people speaking out now (and yes, I mean you Bill and Hillary among others). Why is it Jimmy Carter always has to be the voice of sanity and conscience?

Jimmy Carter is always such a sight for sore eyes and it seems a good bet he works harder for the public good than any former president IMHO.

Habitat for Humanity, The Carter Center, globe-trotting humanitarian and election vetting, protocol demands, i.e., enduring the Bush clan on that rainy day the Clinton Library ceremonial opening in Arkansas…..

Thanks for asking angie – what do you think of Jimmy Carter?

But his beard seems neatly trimmed.

angie @ 157

Joke Klein is making me puke.

On Scarborough.

Kerry is on LKL ; )

Oops, he’s gone now.

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

There is no Garcia/Hunter Ship of Fools on youtube.

The internets still need fixin’.

newspaperbrat @ 158

Hugh @ 121

angie @ 110

So, I just gotta ask, how does anybody here feel about Jimmy Carter speaking out now?

In the years when Bush and Rove had the media in their pockets all the way all the time, I think Carter would have been dismissed. Now with the Wurlitzer playing offkey and out of tune, there is more of an opportunity for alternate voices to speak out and be heard. I would ask why there are not more people speaking out now (and yes, I mean you Bill and Hillary among others). Why is it Jimmy Carter always has to be the voice of sanity and conscience?

Jimmy Carter is always such a sight for sore eyes and it seems a good bet he works harder for the public good than any former president IMHO.

Habitat for Humanity, The Carter Center, globe-trotting humanitarian and election vetting, protocol demands, i.e., enduring the Bush clan on that rainy day the Clinton Library ceremonial opening in Arkansas…..

Thanks for asking angie – what do you think of Jimmy Carter?

He is one of my true heroes.

I respect him and he keeps amazing me. 82 years young with his bride and his faith and belief.

gotta love him and his teachings and evolution and the truth.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 156

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

Are there implications?

Imprecations abound.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 161

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

There is no Garcia/Hunter Ship of Fools on youtube.

The internets still need fixin’.

as a consolation, I can offer “Shipbuilding” by Elvis Costello (written about the Falklands War)

angie @ 157

Joke Klein is making me puke.

On Scarborough.

Yeah, Klein started out as though he’d figured out something really important, and within 10 seconds he became completely incoherent.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 156

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

Are there implications?

(news) anchors aweighting a clue

kirk murphy @
140

Subway Serenade @
60

Renee in Ohio @ 50

OT

I didn’t know this until a little while ago, but George Harrison died 5 years ago today.

http://www.georgeharrison.com

Semi interesting bit of trivia: George Harrison spent his final days at Staten Island Hospital, where I had my surgery in August.

[snip]

Subway, I may be misunderstanding “final days” as used above, but the statement would come as a great surprise to some California physicians – not least the one who signed the death certificate.

George Died in Paul’s Home – says Report
added Dec 19th

A new twist in the mystery of where George Harrison died in Los Angeles last month has emerged with a local TV station reporting he passed away in a secluded Beverly Hills estate owned by ex-bandmate Paul McCartney.

The Los Angeles affiliate of the UPN network, citing unnamed sources, reported Tuesday night that McCartney bought the Beverly Hills house from rock star Courtney Love six months ago and allowed Harrison to use it in the last days of his life. Harrison died on November 29.

UPN News13 said that two weeks before Harrison’s death, McCartney visited him and told him he could borrow the secluded home, which is tucked away behind a gated driveway.

The home is located high above a tree-lined road near the UCLA Medical Centre where Harrison received cancer treatments in his last weeks of life, UPN News13 reported.

I hope it’s OK I omitted the URL for your holiday release. I wish you joyous holidays and success in your creative work and commercial efforts, but – as a clinician – I’m uncomfortable if I seem to be associating a solicitation for purchases with the death of a human being.

That’s just my idiosyncratic view.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Bright blessings!

The last I heard of this when it happened was that he died at the hospital. I know he was in the hospice. There was a controversy about one of the doctors trying to get a dieing Harrison to autograph a couple of guitars for his sons. He died a day or so later, and I didn’t know he had been moved.

Danny DeVito on the “View” this morning blasted Bush. Calls the president numb-nuts etc. Just saw a replay.

my contempt for Joe Lieberman is directed at George Bush today.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 168

Danny DeVito on the “View” this morning blasted Bush. Calls the president numb-nuts etc. Just saw a replay.

Yay Danny and Tucker said he was drunk.

I despise the CM.

punaise @ 169

my contempt for Joe Lieberman is directed at George Bush today.

There’s always enough to go around, I think. Two lines, no waiting. :)

punaise @
164

as a consolation, I can offer “Shipbuilding” by Elvis Costello (written about the Falklands War)

Thanks, punaise!

Costello:

…Its just a rumour that was spread around town
Somebody said that someone got filled in
For saying that people get killed in
The result of this shipbuilding
With all the will in the world
Diving for dear life
When we could be diving for pearls
Its just a rumour that was spread around town
A telegram or a picture postcard
Within weeks theyll be re-opening the shipyards
And notifying the next of kin…

de nada, ifthethunderdontgetya

kirk murphy #140,

I agree that about Gus in a bus: there can be no disputing.

montag @ 171

punaise @ 169

my contempt for Joe Lieberman is directed at George Bush today.

There’s always enough to go around, I think. Two lines, no waiting. :)

W gets the two-for-one deal today. blue light special.

rwcole @
35

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…../iran_iraq

Link to story announcing a security agreement between Iran and Iraq- details to be announced “soon”..Iran says that the US needs to leave Iraq

Iraq president shown givin kissy face ta Iranian President

Maybe this is why there was no meeting tonight in Jordan!!!

Passing up a three-way for hot mullah-on-mullah action.

Hugh @ 175

kirk murphy #140,

I agree that about Gus in a bus: there can be no disputing.

but what about Stan and the plan?

Here’s a great George song tonight: Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrSJsCeQuNA

punaise @ 166

Oklahoma kiddo @ 156

punaise @ 152

Bush ran the ship of state aground.

Are there implications?

(news) anchors aweighting a clue

Man overboard!

(got to watch my zigs, (and zags) here.

punaise @ 178

Hugh @ 175

kirk murphy #140,

I agree that about Gus in a bus: there can be no disputing.

but what about Stan and the plan?

I think that was Teddy Roosevelt: A man, a plan: Panama, or maybe I have that backwards.

Hugh @ 175

kirk murphy #140,

I agree that about Gus in a bus: there can be no disputing.

an appetizing conclusion –

as I see it, a reflection of your well-furnished palette….

Maybe Maliki was the leaker. Give him cover to bow to al Sadr.

Ship of State

new thread

Ooops. That should be a man, a plan, a canal, Panama.

jeffreyw @
184

Ship of State

excellent

Hugh @
186

Ooops. That should be a man, a plan, a canal, Panama.

a vent, a nose, a whale. Venezuela

Hugh @ 186

Ooops. That should be a man, a plan, a canal, Panama.

Silly me: I thought the recent version was

a Bush, a splendid little war, hundreds of dead Panama civilians, the servile murderous Colin Powell, a Pentagon budget to nourish

(”shh – it’s sleeping – they’re very delicate until they reach quadrillion or so”…….)

On December 20, 1989 — three months after Powell became chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — the United States invaded Panama, killing hundreds of civilians in the first hours. That day, Powell proclaimed: ”We have to put a shingle outside our door saying, ‘Superpower lives here.’ ” The Organization of American States voted 20 to 1 to criticize the invasion. But Powell — who saw it as a great way to guard against Pentagon budget cuts — ”emerged as the crucial figure in the decision to invade” Panama, reported Martin Walker, a British newspaper correspondent covering Washington. ”Among his military peers,” the reporter noted, Powell ”may yet go down as the man who saved the Pentagon’s budget.”

a man, a plan, a canal, Panama.

How about this:
Waiter: Would you like cold cuts or pasta?

Customer: Go hang a salami. I’m a lasagna hog.

Stan is the man.

uhhh, I’m going to need you to walk me through that one, mommybrain!

simplicity in the American public sphere is a virtue (not too many deep thinkers in that doman). That said:

** bush put his surogate motherwife, the idiot Ms Huge in charge of burnishing the US public image with “the Arab Street”

** bush remains completely ignorant of Arab culture.

** bush listens to no one except fantasy deluded sycohants
.

Punaise, maybe it works better without the set-up? Palindrome.
Go hang a salami, i’m a lasagna hog.

Do you ever listen to Riders inthe Sky radio theater? They’ve got a character named Palindrome, a cowboy, who only speaks in palindrome. It’s part of a longer joke.

Didn’t work, did it?

my palindrome radar was turned off, sorry!

don’t know that radio program.

still, what about Stan?

Stan is the man with the plan (but not the canal or Panama).

Dick Cheney gave George W. Bush “The White House for Dummies” to read, which Georgie has done his best to prove.

In fact, I believe Dick Cheney gave “The White House for Dummies” to everyone in the Bush administration.

Bush did nothing about the U.S.S. Cole after he found out that Al Qaeda were responsible, which just added to the perception that he wasn’t concerned about terrorism.

W’s first official act as president was an “Excecutive Order” cutting off Family Planning to International Organizations because while it was specifically NOT for abortion funding, it might relieve budgets that might fund abortions.

Net Result. Reduced family planning for the poor and uneducated of course results in an increase in abortions.
Isn’t that a straight ticket to HELL?
Or is that where he came back from?

TeddySanFran @ 106

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 99

I hope to see Victoria Wulsin, Charlie Brown, Robert Rodriguez, and all our other almost-made-it-in-spite-of-starting-with-nothing candidates join Larry and try again in 2008.

Clearly the ’sensible centrists’ don’t get it yet, and need to beat over the head again in 2008.

I’m looking forward to John Laesch in 2007 as well!

TeddySanFran @ 106

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 99

I hope to see Victoria Wulsin, Charlie Brown, Robert Rodriguez, and all our other almost-made-it-in-spite-of-starting-with-nothing candidates join Larry and try again in 2008.

Clearly the ’sensible centrists’ don’t get it yet, and need to beat over the head again in 2008.

I’m looking forward to John Laesch in 2007 as well!

Right on. WHAT is Hastert waiting for to retire? More Failure & Embarrasment? Possible? More scandal? – FoleyGate shhhhh, DeKalbCountyRealEstateGate? $3million!
Does Tom Delay need to tell him to retire? DO IT TOM!

angie @ 157

Joke Klein is making me puke.

On Scarborough.

joe klein made you puke on scarborough ???

at least you hit a worthy target

three cheers for joe klein

bush sr should have had an early vasectomy

How did Bush hurt Israel? He’s consistently bent over backwards to appease them. It’s so typical of the MSM that they have to manufacture a grievance for the Zionist state even when one doesn’t exist, as if it were someone other than the Tel Aviv regime making their neighbors hate them! I’m sick and tired of those who posit the moral equivalence of the Israelis and the Palestinians. They are not both victims of “imperialism” or whatever you wish to call it. One is the aggressor, one is the victim. To imply otherwise is obscene.