Comments on: Spun Out http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:27:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: TeddySanFran http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399059 TeddySanFran Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:26:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399059 <p><a href="#comment-398947"><em>Byron @ 117</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>We need to start talking about how Pelosi and the Democrats have sold us out. It’s clear that the DLC corporate whores are in control of the party and nothing is going to change now that the Dems have taken Congress except for a weak increase in the minimum wage that’s so watered-down it’s almost meaningless. Nothing will change in Iraq, corporate power won’t be addressed at all, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.</p> <p>We need to start supporting the Green party now. With our efforts and contributions, they can build the organization necessary to really challenge the DLC Republican-lite Dems in 2008. We need to teach the Dems a lesson - they can’t ignore us progressives anymore. Who’s with me?</p></blockquote> <p>Not I.</p> Byron @ 117

We need to start talking about how Pelosi and the Democrats have sold us out. It’s clear that the DLC corporate whores are in control of the party and nothing is going to change now that the Dems have taken Congress except for a weak increase in the minimum wage that’s so watered-down it’s almost meaningless. Nothing will change in Iraq, corporate power won’t be addressed at all, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

We need to start supporting the Green party now. With our efforts and contributions, they can build the organization necessary to really challenge the DLC Republican-lite Dems in 2008. We need to teach the Dems a lesson – they can’t ignore us progressives anymore. Who’s with me?

Not I.

]]> By: bellumregio http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399035 bellumregio Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:08:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399035 <p>Hugh @84 has pointed out the nasty reality in Iraq. I think it is also important to remember that the Dawa Party was also exiled in Damascus, although their spiritual home is Iran, and they helped create Hizbollah back in the 1980’s. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was Dawa bureau chief in Damascus at the time. Politically they are radical Shiites with many similarities to Hizbollah.</p> <p>The group that has actually been empowered by the war in Iraq and Israel’s recent retreat from Lebanon is the Hizbollah-Iraqi Shiite-Iranian alliance. We should not, however, think of this as some monolithic Axis of Evil. There are many factions, but all are opposed to Israeli-American interests. Back in July the Likudnik Democrats condemned Maliki for not rebuking Hizbollah. It was crazy to think he would, but it shows their understandable dissatisfaction with the leadership of Iraq. You know, for a group of people who focus a lot of attention on the Middle East they seem to know very little. They should have seen this coming.</p> <p>Sadr is really the odd man out here. He is such a nationalist, a sort of king of slums, that he could pretty easily break ranks with the establishment, as he has with his support of Nuri al-Maliki.</p> Hugh @84 has pointed out the nasty reality in Iraq. I think it is also important to remember that the Dawa Party was also exiled in Damascus, although their spiritual home is Iran, and they helped create Hizbollah back in the 1980’s. Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was Dawa bureau chief in Damascus at the time. Politically they are radical Shiites with many similarities to Hizbollah.

The group that has actually been empowered by the war in Iraq and Israel’s recent retreat from Lebanon is the Hizbollah-Iraqi Shiite-Iranian alliance. We should not, however, think of this as some monolithic Axis of Evil. There are many factions, but all are opposed to Israeli-American interests. Back in July the Likudnik Democrats condemned Maliki for not rebuking Hizbollah. It was crazy to think he would, but it shows their understandable dissatisfaction with the leadership of Iraq. You know, for a group of people who focus a lot of attention on the Middle East they seem to know very little. They should have seen this coming.

Sadr is really the odd man out here. He is such a nationalist, a sort of king of slums, that he could pretty easily break ranks with the establishment, as he has with his support of Nuri al-Maliki.

]]> By: mc http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399015 mc Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:58:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399015 <p>Re:</p> <p>Explanation for 707…</p> <p>707</p> Re:

Explanation for 707…

707

]]> By: Biodun http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399013 Biodun Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:56:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399013 <p>This from AP as of 24 minutes ago. The question is: Who is having dinner with whom tonight? Will there even be a dinner at all? I await with bated breadth! The whole republic depends on the answer to this crucial question.</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Bush.html?_r=1&oref=slogin">http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....ref=slogin</a></p> This from AP as of 24 minutes ago. The question is: Who is having dinner with whom tonight? Will there even be a dinner at all? I await with bated breadth! The whole republic depends on the answer to this crucial question.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin…..ref=slogin

]]> By: Dr. Bong http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399011 Dr. Bong Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:55:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399011 <p>Pat_AlexVA:</p> <p>707 is upside-down LOL as in falling backwards out of one’s chair…</p> <p>:-)</p> Pat_AlexVA:

707 is upside-down LOL as in falling backwards out of one’s chair…

:-)

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399010 Christy Hardin Smith Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:55:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399010 <p>707 = laughing out loud so hard you flip over (it’s upside down LOL)</p> 707 = laughing out loud so hard you flip over (it’s upside down LOL)

]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399008 punaise Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:55:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399008 <p>Pat_AlexVA:</p> <p> 707 is an upside own LOL (laughing out loud), from falling over backwards in your chair</p> Pat_AlexVA:

707 is an upside own LOL (laughing out loud), from falling over backwards in your chair

]]> By: Peterr http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399007 Peterr Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:54:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399007 <p><a href="#comment-399000"><em>Pat_AlexVA @ 165</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-398933"><em>EvilDrPuma @<br /> 104 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-398928"><em>kristinejoy @ 99</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Really? Yawn. Sure he didn’t just borrow Duncan Hunter’s speech by accident?</p></blockquote> <p>707!</p></blockquote> <p>Ok, I obviously missed an expansion phase in FDL commentary lingo. What does 707 mean?</p></blockquote> <p>LOL - laughing out loud;<br /> 707 - laughing out loud so hard that you tip over backward in your chair with your legs flying over your head!</p> Pat_AlexVA @ 165

EvilDrPuma @
104

kristinejoy @ 99

Really? Yawn. Sure he didn’t just borrow Duncan Hunter’s speech by accident?

707!

Ok, I obviously missed an expansion phase in FDL commentary lingo. What does 707 mean?

LOL – laughing out loud;
707 – laughing out loud so hard that you tip over backward in your chair with your legs flying over your head!

]]> By: retirin’ in five http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399006 retirin’ in five Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:54:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399006 <p>“Ok, I obviously missed an expansion phase in FDL commentary lingo. What does 707 mean?” Yeah. Me too. In my lurkin’-pre-outed days this one seems to have eluded me.</p> “Ok, I obviously missed an expansion phase in FDL commentary lingo. What does 707 mean?” Yeah. Me too. In my lurkin’-pre-outed days this one seems to have eluded me.

]]> By: Bay State Librul http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399005 Bay State Librul Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:53:54 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/29/spun-out/#comment-399005 <p>“A classified memorandum by President Bush’s national security adviser expressed serious doubts about whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki had the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq and recommended that the United States take new steps to strengthen the Iraqi leader’s position.”</p> <p>I might be nit-picking here but how can a<br /> memorandum express doubts? Is a memo alive?<br /> Wasn’t it Stephen Hadley expressing doubts?<br /> Be expressive and active, don’t couch, NYT!</p> <p>Jack</p> “A classified memorandum by President Bush’s national security adviser expressed serious doubts about whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki had the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq and recommended that the United States take new steps to strengthen the Iraqi leader’s position.”

I might be nit-picking here but how can a
memorandum express doubts? Is a memo alive?
Wasn’t it Stephen Hadley expressing doubts?
Be expressive and active, don’t couch, NYT!

Jack

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