
(Glenn Greenwald, left, prepares to take Ann Althouse to school.)
Well, clearly I need to get out more. When I asked last night whether or not the Talibangelical Christians in the world deserve to be known as "Christians", I had no idea that this discussion had already caught the drapes and burst into flame over at Glenn Greenwald's place.
(Typical. Freaking Greenwald. He's ALWAYS two steps ahead of me.)
See, it was actually (ew!) Andrew Sullivan who started to push the term "Christianist" to describe the people who use the symbols and texts of Christianity to advance their pagan black-magic-anti-sex-cult's agenda, people like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. It's like "Islamist", i.e., a person who has taken the tenets of Islam and used them to prop up their fanatical, kill-everyone philosophy with little or no regard for the actual teachings of the prophet Mohammed, much like the Christianists have done with the New Testament.
"Christianists". I'm okay with that, I think. I mean, if it came from Sully's house, I'm going to put it through the washer on 'hot' a couple times and dry it on the highest temperature setting before I'll actually wear it, but if it stands up to that, I'm willing to give it a go.
Especially when it gives certain Reich Wingers such a bad case of the stomp-and-sputters.
Enter cutting edge (*cough!*) legal mind Ann Althouse (snicker), who has taken violent exception to the term. (Apparently, she's gotten tired of shooting digital snaps of the toes of her 9 Wests and the office water cooler in the University of Wisconsin Law Faculty Lounge and has decided to comment on something in the wider world. Which, as we all have learned to expect, invariably results in disaster.)(And hilarity!)
(Via Glenn)
I wonder how many people "recoil" at [Andrew] Sullivan's sanctimonious pronouncements about "Christianists." He's become so devoted to that word of his. Does he not notice how snide and hostile it feels even to people who are not fundamentalists?
Ann Althouse, February 21, 2006:
I wonder how the history books would read on the cartoons story if, by some crazy chance, fascistic Islamists win World War IV.Ann Althouse, January 22, 2006:
This isn't meant to appeal to Islamists, who, the article suggests, would find these depictions wrong. But Mutawa has Western leanings (a Ph.D. in clinical psychology and an M.B.A. from Columbia University) and is trying to appeal to kids who feel an attraction to Western culture. Interestingly, Teshkeel has acquired Cracked magazine and plans to bring it back. Not for Arab Muslims, however, for Americans.
Ecccccccccccchhhhh!!
'Scuse me while I take a moment to wipe teh stoopid off my monitor.
There, that's better. Greenwald pretty much mops the floor with Miss Outhouse and her erstwhile mentor, InstaPastehead, using their own words and wafer thin arguments against them.
To wit:
How odd that such "sanctimonious pronouncements" about "Islamists" are everywhere — including coming out of Althouse's and Reynolds' own mouths — yet "do[ they] not notice how snide and hostile it feels even to people who are not fundamentalists?" People like Althouse and Reynolds love to complain about the supposed religious hostility which exists towards Christians — a whine triggered so easily that the mere use of the word "Christianist" is sufficient for us to be subjected to it — because feeling persecuted is an insatiable need they have.
Oh, Mr. Greenwald, I raise so much hell each night, sweating and spitting as I pull out all the stops in an effort to belabor points that you seem to make without ever wrinkling your suit-jacket. You make it look so effortless. I would hate you if I wasn't so eager to win your approval.
But anyway, as we all know, Rightards will always, always rise to the bait.
InstaPinhead responds with his characteristically incisive wit and terrifyingly adroit mastery of the English language:
WELL, YES. Glenn Greenwald is extraordinarily lame,
Oooh, that's gonna leave a mark.
Not.
That's kind of like Tony Snow calling someone "extraordinarily sleazy". Hey, Greenwald, the guy who wrote Army of Davids says you're "lame", "extraordinarily" so! Oh, I know, you're gonna cry yourself to sleep tonight, aren't you? It's okay. Don't take it so hard.
Althouse, however, squawks like a wet hen, and we looooove it when she gets all heated and starts to melt through her talcum powder:
* Glenn Greenwald is such an idiot.
Uhhh, I'm sorry, Mr. Pot. Mr. Kettle isn't at his desk right now. I'm afraid you'll have to call him black later…
* Am I supposed to respond to this foolishness?
Missy Ann, you silly goose! Two things:
No. 1: You already did.
and
No. 2: The only foolishness I see in Glenn's post about you is your own words held up to the light. And they look pretty goddamn foolish from here.
More from the Outhouse Queen:
Why not take a little trouble to try to understand the person you are criticizing before you write, you disreputable slimeball? (And your writing is putrid.) [But I do love the pathetic jealousy of your post title.]
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAA-HAAAAAA!!
Ann Althouse called somebody else a "disreputable slimeball" who can't write?!
Oh, my…(*wipes eyes*) that's, uh, rather rich, isn't it?
Hoooo-heeeeeeee-heeeee! (*cough*)
For the last time, Ann, get a haircut and a boiler suit so we don't have to keep explaining you to our friends, alright, darling? You are NOT a good blogger. You're NOT (oh, sooooooo not) a clever person, and you are CERTAINLY not a good writer. Your grasp of the language would shame a fourth-grade Christianist home-schooler. You blog like it's 2003 all over again! ("Ooooooh, I just read here that chocolate is good for your heart! I love chocolate! Yay!")(Pffffffffffft.)
Listen, dollface. At your age, you really shouldn't be getting yourself all lathered about stuff you don't understand. It just makes you look silly (and kind of desperate) and it can't be good for your blood pressure. Maybe you should take up a less strenuous hobby like consumer-rating soy supplements and shampoos for color-treated hair.
Of course, I know you won't take my advice, so it's some consolation that you'll keep providing us with hours of fun as you flog dead horse after dead horse, putting up endless posts and re-posts and feverishly adding updates to those posts about your spats with various people who make you feel threatened. They say the beauty of blogging is that anybody can do it, and while I wouldn't argue with that, it should be added that not just anybody can do it well. And that's why you shouldn't try and mix it up with people like Glenn Greenwald (or as I like to call him, "G2"). He's a hell of a lot smarter than you and won't have any problem demonstrating that fact ad infinitum. As fast as you set 'em up, he's going to knock 'em back down, so QUIT WHILE YOU'RE BEHIND, YOU OLD BAG!
Why don't you go and fix yourself a nice hot cup of sugar-free General Foods International Coffee and grade some papers or something? You look like you could use a break.
Related posts:





Spotlight








Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Advanced search

FITZ!
Came late to the party last night, but wanted to stop by early to say “Thanks, TRex!” It got my morning off to a great start, reading last night’s rant.
Be back later, but got to put The Kid to bed . . . and judging by his mood, that ain’t gonna be easy.
On the subject the subject of millenialist scum, check out this lil American diplomatic tragedy, linked on a few blogs, I think…
http://www.spiegel.de/internat…..50,00.html
(in English)
European exchange student stuck with wingnuts on his American stay.. returns home to write a tell-all about how insane Americans are…
Hiya TRex… I’m off to read your post but first I wanted to ping you to find out if you had ever read my email and the post I sent you.
Off to go spike up my bourbon with some of your legendary snark.
Jeez. Greenwald wrote a column detailing HER flawed logic(and I use the term loosely with her) and she responded not with counterpoints but with namecalling and personal attacks.
It’s like watching a little kid who has been one-upped in a debate yelling “Oh yeah? Well, you STINK! And you have cooties! WAAAAH!”
if anyone is looking for some real Christians (as opposed to Christianists) they can be found in Lancaster County, PA.
Hey TRex!
A TRex/Althouse cage match!
Where can I buy tickets? Is the popcorn concession taken?
G2…I like it.
Tiny typo in pot/kettle line, afraid.
Um, actually, that’s my job.
Well, I call ‘em Leviiticans. They have apparently only read one book of the Bible, Leviticus, which rules their rather small faithy universe.
TRex!
Merry Christainists to you and all!
I think I’ll have an eggnog….
and i’ve just about finished cleaning up the egg on my face …
looking forward to a happy swim in the Lake tonight…
egregious @
9
Fixed! Thanks, eg!
churl @ 11
They’ve only read a few verses of Leviticus…you know, the bits they think entitle them to bash gays. “Paulist” is my favorite misnomer.
(Tori Amos, “Mrs. Jesus”)
..hmm.. thought the only book they know anything about is Revelations, which they get via the “Left Behind” books.. if they read Leviticus, they’d have taken themselves and each other to the alter for a little ritual bloodletting a long ago.
EvilDrPuma @
14
The reich-wingers have been pushing the idea for years that Christians are a persecuted minority in this country. It’s amazing that the idea finds any traction but it has been pretty effective (until recently) at getting the dullards to the polls, plus it makes it easier to fleece the flock. I’d laugh if those people didn’t piss me off so much.
OT – Tom Waits performing on the daily show
Mr. Kettle isn’t at his desk right now. I’m afraid you’ll have to call him black later
uh…afraid…I don’t see the correction even after coming in with a fresh screen.
What a great line, a TRex original?
edit–ok now I see it.
Christianism is the only way they can get poor people to vote Republican. If we can prize that lever from their hands, we may be able to make some real changes for the better in this country.
Ah, TRex, you always end my evening with a great read.
And in regard to this:
It’s absolutely true. The orginal (real) Christians faced lions, and crucifiction and burning at the stake. Modern day Christianists don’t feel like they’re “authentic” unless they too are being persecuted. Even if it’s only a figment of their own imaginations.
egregious @ 19
Nope. Credit for that goes, I think, to my brother.
twolf1 @ 18
damn – this would be one of the 3 times a year i wish i had cable
btw – twolf – you wrote something i really liked yesterday
but of course i am near sleep and cannot remember what it was
^_^
i’ rather have a bottle in front of me…
lol, Colbert – “The Pope is in Turkey. I believe they refer to that as ‘Turpopen‘”
Oops, eg, there were TWO typos in that line.
Now I got them both.
I gotta quit drinking so much coffee before I write.
Do two writes make a wrong?
Mack @ 23
Well Mack, get some ZZzz’s then and remember, you’re innocent when you dream.
I kind of have a soft spot for Professor Althouse. She’s brave enough to publicly admit to an obsession with a certain reality show that I myself rather like, but would never admit to liking in a faculty club–or say, around here :)
i’ rather have a bottle in front of me…
…than a frontal lobotomy.
Why don’t you go and fix yourself a nice hot cup of sugar-free General Foods International Coffee and grade some papers or something? You look like you could use a break.
While you are at it Ann, breathe into a paper bag as well. You just got pwn3d.
oddball @ 30
All your tenure tracks are belong to us!!
Woo-eee! Glenn now has five updates and 301 comments. Get em while they’re hot.
That’s it for me tonight. Anybody got the story on why Balrog is retiring?
Balrog if you’re here, please do come back, you are an important part of our community. If there is some sadness or misunderstanding, please discuss with us??
So one of Ms. Outhouse’s favorite movies is “Cheap, Fast, & Out of Control.” Ohh gawd, that’s just too easy….
I do so love that boiler-suit wav. I don’t think I can use it enough.
egregious @ 32
I second that.
Jimmy Carter is pretty much the only Christian politican that I actually believed his religon was a positive influence on his policy.
Hayduke @ 36
And you see what they did to him.
TRex @ 37
They would Swiftboat Christ if given half a chance.
OT - Judge strikes down part of Bush anti-terror order
I had been arguing for months with my friends that we can’t call them “Christian conservatives” because it’s an oxymoron and its flattering. I proposed calling them “church going conservatives” instead because there was nothing — nothing — Christian about them. However, the term “Christianist” seems to strike a nerve and to be catching on. I’m all for it. We cannot allow these moronic fascists to refer to themselves as “Christians” without calling “bullshit” within nanoseconds.
“Christianist” works especially for situations where it would be too cumbersome to say, “People Who Believe Adam and Eve Rode Dinosaurs to Church”.
Of course, I know you won’t take my advice, so it’s some consolation that you’ll keep providing us with hours of fun as you flog dead horse after dead horse, putting up endless posts and re-posts and feverishly adding updates to those posts about your spats with various people who make you feel threatened. They say the beauty of blogging is that anybody can do it, and while I wouldn’t argue with that, it should be added that not just anybody can do it well. And that’s why you shouldn’t try and mix it up with people like Glenn Greenwald (or as I like to call him, “G2″). He’s a hell of a lot smarter than you and won’t have any problem demonstrating that fact ad infinitum. As fast as you set ‘em up, he’s going to knock ‘em back down, so QUIT WHILE YOU’RE BEHIND, YOU OLD BAG!
TRex, you’re the man(-like therapod). This perfectly encapsulates Ms. Althouse. She’s a fatuous, immature, insecure dunder-head.
Classic Trex Smash! late nite. Thanks.
Any time.
I live to serve.
There’s only one kind of Jesus that can satisfy my soul. Yummy!
http://www.officialtomwaits.co…..late_Jesus
I just clicked onto the bag and GOD!!!! she lives an hour away from me. Oh ick!! No!
She is in my favorite place to go to among musty shelves of used books. no.
Madison is where I wish I lived instead of beigeville, IL (Rockford) and now, she’s ruined it.
But, then again, maybe she’ll get stuff thrown at her as she waddles down State Street.
Of course, I know you won’t take my advice, so it’s some consolation that you’ll keep providing us with hours of fun as you flog dead horse after dead horse, putting up endless posts and re-posts and feverishly adding updates to those posts about your spats with various people who make you feel threatened. They say the beauty of blogging is that anybody can do it, and while I wouldn’t argue with that, it should be added that not just anybody can do it well. And that’s why you shouldn’t try and mix it up with people like Glenn Greenwald (or as I like to call him, “G2″). He’s a hell of a lot smarter than you and won’t have any problem demonstrating that fact ad infinitum. As fast as you set ‘em up, he’s going to knock ‘em back down, so QUIT WHILE YOU’RE BEHIND, YOU OLD BAG!
TRex, you’re the man(-like theropod). This perfectly encapsulates Ms. Althouse. She’s a fatuous, immature, insecure dunder-head.
Classic Trex Smash! late nite. Thanks.
Sorry for the editing screw-up. Damn Laphroaig.
SusanD @ 21
Dang, they have too much time on their hands, then. When you’re working, helping with homework, cooking cleaning dishes laundry paying bills fixing car picking kids up putting them to bed buying groceries working sleeping etc….
You just barely have time to be civil to each other, much less loving and Christian and kind, much MUCH less wishing to be ‘persecuted.’
Hey. Maybe that’s the whole thing right there: Life is too hard, being a Christian is just too hard these days, so let’s forget about it and start a fight with someone, anyone else. Yeehaw!
I thought Bill O’Loofah coined the term “Christianist.” Didn’t he win a Peabody Award for it?
bonkers @ 49
That was right after he invented the Internet, wasn’t it?
sonate @ 40
Umm, my problem is in referring to them with any term involving “Christ” as a root. They aren’t in any way Christian, so even “Christianist” is a misnomer.
I really think accuracy is important. Therefore, “batshit fucking insane religious extremists” pretty much covers it for me.
bonkers @ 49
Falafelist
Sorry if already posted — but the next time you see U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins you ought to buy that woman a drink …..
dlake @ 45
Tell me about it. I currently live a few minutes from State St. Maybe I should get a FDL shirt in case there’s a chance encounter.
These people aren’t Christian. You can’t pray to God to make you personally rich (the latest thing among millenialists, apparently), preach that Katrina victims deserved what they got, say that the poor deserve to starve, advocate for the extermination of Arabs, believe that you can freely commit sin because you’re sufficiently elevated by the goodness of those around you (which they do), and express the belief that you must engage or advocate for war and violent action in the Holy Land as an active strategy for bringing about the second coming… and STILL call yourself a Christian.
They’re not Christian. These were the same religious perverts Luther called called “rabid dogs” and urged the German princes to suppress. They weren’t Christian then, and they’re not Christian now.
TRex @
37
montag @ 51
If you really want to strike a nerve, cross out the ‘christ’ with an ‘X’ (Xianist). Really. It works. ;)
TRex, I love the way you write!
Okay, that’s the quittin’ whistle. Gotta run to the grocery store to get all the things I forgot to get last night. Then I’ll check back with you guys from home.
Sharon @ 57
Awwwwwwww.
*blush*
Thanks. I wouldn’t have a place to do it or sufficient incentive if it wasn’t for you guys, so, really, thanks.
OT:
And now a word from the first “Mission Accomplished”:
And now another word:
churl @ 11
The cherry-picking world of Levitican Christinists. They do love them the very brief anti-gay verse.
If these folks really believed that every word of Leviticus was a directive from God, they’d have to stone the likes of, say, John McCain or Rudy Guiliani or Newt Gingrich for adultery.
Southerners in particular (I were one, before I fled to the Left Coast) love their pork ribs and bacon and ham. Naughty, naughty. Also, creatures that move in the water without fins or scales must be held in abomination. No shrimp, crab, scallops, lobster.
Are all you guys staying way away from menstruating women? That includes touching so much as a chair she may have sat on. Come close and you’ll be unclean and untouchable for a week.
Oh, and if Leviticans noted the amount of space in Leviticus (rather most of it) devoted to such matters, they’d be spending practically all their time seeking out unblemished bullocks, she-goats, rams, and the occasional unblemished sheep for the ritual sacrifices. And they mustn’t forget the intricacies of those rituals, which would require much study and practice.
Hardly any time left, really, for Nascar and football and shopping and . . . well, for fun.
And not a lot of concern in Leviticus for the poor, the sick, the suffering, the orphans, the love of neighbor, the bringing of peace to the world.
But there is some of that. Far more than there is of anti-gay haranging. Far more of just about any topic than the one Levitican Christianists are obsessed with.
truth and clarity. so simple. so effective. they really hate it when we do that. keep it up.
This is seriously OT, but Jim Webb defied G. Bush at the White House reception for new senators, in Wednesday’s WaPo:
“At a recent White House reception for freshman members of Congress, Virginia’s newest senator tried to avoid President Bush. Democrat James Webb declined to stand in a presidential receiving line or to have his picture taken with the man he had often criticized on the stump this fall. But it wasn’t long before Bush found him.
“How’s your boy?” Bush asked, referring to Webb’s son, a Marine serving in Iraq.
“I’d like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President,” Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.
“That’s not what I asked you,” Bush said. “How’s your boy?”
“That’s between me and my boy, Mr. President,” Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.”
Wesley Clark wants to avoid ‘04 mistake in ‘08
“I think it was clear that I got in too late last time,” the retired general and former NATO commander told The Associated Press in an interview.
“That’s between me and my boy, Mr. President,” Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.”
That was done so much better than Cheney’s “fuck off” to Leahy.
Michael Ventura was calling them Christianists in the LA Weekly at least 25 years ago (when I moved out here).
I think we should go with Christian-ish (with appropriately waffle-y hand gestures).
twolf1 @ 64
Sounds exciting, although in that article he says he wouldn’t be bringing troops home from Iraq anytime soon. Guess he won’t be getting Michael Moore’s endorsement this time…
http://www.michaelmoore.com/wo…..php?id=202
Bush is going to be battered by these Webb moments from now on in.
He deserves to be uncomfortable until the day he slinks from office in ignominy.
-GSD
Christian-icks.
-GSD
Sister Christians?
This all sounds very familiar from the last (and still only) time I clicked on Althouse’s blog: She invented some controversey about a blogger who supposedly was poking her boobies at the camera at the Bill Clinton blogger meeting. After she started it, then carried on for two days, she with all apparent sincerity put up a “why are people talking to me about some woman’s breasts” post.
Interesting that here she brings up “jealousy” out of nowhere….
Is this woman really a law professor at UW? As a Big Ten Alumnus, I blush, so much so that I pass on the opportunity to take a shot at Cheezeheds, Packer fans, and Brett Favre.
Dana @ 63
Good for Webb. Any goddamned bully can put on a fake-friendly show. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be called on it.
ji-GOD-ists?
twolf1 @ 73
Ha! First Falafelists, and now this….get some butter, you’re on a roll!
This is way OT but it relates to how Sen Webb’s son might be doing in Iraq. Steve Gilliard has a post about how wounded American soldiers aren’t being evac’d because it is too dangerous or that KBR contracts for EMT or Fire fighting prohibit going to where it might not be safe. The bottom line seems to be, if you are wounded you are SOL.stevegilliard.blogspot.com/
TRex @
41
Or people who believe “The Flintstones” is a doccumentary.
I’d like to hold a blogger ethics panel on the propriety of the term “dollface.”
.
.
.
Now I’ve done it.
Subway Serenade @ 76
Can’t be. When was Fred Flintstone ever seen in a megachurch?
The Flintstones
Jim @ 71
Believe me, she wouldn’t be the only untreated personality disorder hanging around a university faculty.
EvilDrPuma @ 80
good one!
I just had to explain to my wife why I’m lying in bed in front of the pallid glow of a laptap, chuckling to myself. Ah, glorious; well done sir! Nicely played!
I don’t know if I laughed harder at Anal_t’s comment about about the effect of the word on people who are purportedly not fundamentalist, or at TRex’s allsome display of cut downs. ‘Bag’ is a descriptor that is particularly sentimental and makes me laugh.
I remember reading here at FDL about Greenwald coming back from Brazil and getting busy with new things. I share the admiration of Glenn’s ability and consistently superb expression of thought he shares.
kirk murphy @ 81
True one. From what I can tell, there’s always one or two in a department of any size that the wise grad student learns to avoid at an early date. Althouse seems to have several traits in common with those I’ve been around.
G2 rulez
TRex roaaahrs
brilliant post, more please!
your mancrush on G2 isn’t unique, grl. luv me that man’s wording.
but you don’t stink neither, dear theropod. not at all.
=======
Who’s Next?
=======
ps i’m sure sully’s got bots to find webstuff ’bout himself, but i’m sending him this post anyway and also to amcox. she’ll make sully jump:
sweet
Dana @
63
It’s a good story, sounds like W. was looking for a confrontation though, since Webb had tactfully avoided him most of the night.
The dumba$$ W doesn’t know when he is in over his head.
EvilDrPuma @ 84
one or two? you got off easy. I was referring to her apparent stupidity. Richard Posner, who considers the Constitution a suicide pact, is obviously just as crazy, but not as obviously stupid.
UptownNYChick @ 86
I’m not so sure. This strikes me as possibly being classic bully behavior: make a fake display of friendliness, hoping that the victim will prefer to be a fake friend than a real enemy. Since that clearly didn’t work, I expect to see the passive-aggressive routine start up if Bush interacts with Webb in the future.
Dr Puma
Ever read Richard Russo’s “Straight Man”? I read that in grad school and felt like he had a mole in our department, except his alcholic was more benevolent than ours.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
Maybe.
I wonder if W. is this testy with all the families of soldiers he has to deal with (I know the dozens he may have actually come in contact with).
Not to be a downer, but my heart is in pain…BBC today, where US tanks in Ramadi return fire on gunshots from rooftop. FIVE LITTLE GIRLS FOUND DEAD IN THE RESULTING RUBBLE:
“The youngest female casualty was six-months-old and the eldest was aged 10.”
As the father of three girls in that age range, please, this has to stop NOW. These girls were killed in our name with our tax dollars. And just five of thousands now. PLEASE Dems in ‘07, no more talk…only action. God dammit!
In YOUR name with YOUR tax dollars.
I still prefer Christist. I think it has more bite.
But maybe the “istist” looks too much like a pasting typo.
So Christianist it is!
EvilDrPuma @ 88
I expect to see Bush run like a punk at the sight of Webb. Classic bully behavior is to push and push until pushed back and then cry foul. Webb obviously has it all over W in terms of real grit.
I find Webb one of the most interesting characters of this election cycle. Ordinarily he would be a card carrying, gun-toting, conservative who would fall in direct line with Republican thinking. Now, that’s certainly a disservice to the man who has shown two things to be glaringly obvious. One, he is a man who makes up his own mind and doesn’t have a problem with speaking it; and, man, I love that! Two, he shows how very far the obsequious imbeciles in the Republican mainstream have removed themselves from their own conservative base…not the fundies…just people who generally put business ahead of social concerns.
I ordinarily wouldn’t cheer for someone like Webb; but idiotic Presidents make for strange bedfellows.
Sounds to me Dear Leader was gunning for a fight. Perhaps Rover or another staffer told him that the son at war was a testy issue for Webb, and to see if he could provoke an unsenatorial response from the senator-elect. I wouldn’t put it past the thugs in the WH to do something like that.. a picture of Webb openly losing his temper and shouting or slapping the president would’ve played well for the rethug base.. in which case, Webb carried himself very well here.
TRex, if I read between the lines I can discern a slight lack of respect and little bit of hostility towards a certain bloggist.
Blub @ 94
Yeppers! See if Bushy had actually shown up for a National Guard stint at all, instead of snorting his time away in Georgia, he might know a little bit about military maneuvering. If he and the rest of the war doging administration want to go to battle, they should probably pick on someone who hasn’t lived Sun Tzu.
another sign that the housing bubble has burst:
UptownNYChick @ 86
One thing for sure–this didn’t cement relations between Bush and Webb, did it? If anything, it probably confirmed Webb in his opinions of Bush, and that means one more person in Congress that is going to be gunning for Bush.
As they used to say in Georgie’s father’s day, “smooth move, Ex-Lax.”
punaise- check your lemail. Tufte etc.
Valley Girl @ 99
Is that a French letter? :)
montag- you so funny. And so good.
johnSwifty @ 93
Actually the thing that intrigues me about Webb the most is that he is willing to admit that he has changed opinions on things as he has grown. It’s just so natural that it seems weird.
VG – will do!
(L’email means glaze or enamel in zee french)
montag- p.s. it wasn’t anything secret. I was telling punaise that I too am a fan of Tufte. And, that a friend got hit by the housing thingy, and has a great property on sale for someone with money to burn. And, thanking him for his zig duties. That was it. xxoo
It’s really something that this may be one of the few people personally affected by W’s insane war that W. has to see up close.
Webb not only brings the experience to represent the men and women in the military, but their families too.
Valley Girl @ 104
Oh, I wasn’t prying. I was just looking for an opportunity for a smart-assed line and you handed me one. It’s an avocation. :)
montag @ 106
I trust your sensibilities. Not to worry.
G’night all. I am going to go dream of Jim Webb getting Dick Cheney in a head lock.
UptownNYChick @ 102
Yeah good point. Classic conservative mindset is just that, mind set! Usually there ain’t no changing of course. That’s why most of the conservative base still think Reagan was a god when, really, he was simply the least imaginative leader to hold the office in some time and couldn’t come up with any new ideas other than gutting government regulation. Most conservatives don’t recognize the terrible social impact from that lack of vision even 20 years later.
Webb is an anomaly, to be sure. I was prepared to like him just because he took out one of the biggest asses in the 2008 ‘hopeful’ category.
Military families already have a dim opinion of Bush, can’t wait to see how this latest episode plays with them.
Hi, everyone! Sorry that I’m so late… I had a Dem club to go to (and later on, we watched Iraq for Sale… great film, evil profiteers, corrupt GOPers), and it was good seeing soem old friends again.
Oh, and btw… GREAT POST, TREX! You AND Glenn are doing a great job calling BS on those hypocrites who scream about the “Muslim extremists/Islamists”, but never even talk about the “Christianists” who have been trying to shove their extremist agenda down ALL OUR THROATS here in the USA.
EvilDrPuma @ 84
And then Berkeley has John Yoo, whom they claim is brilliant, but wouldn’t have passed junior high civics where I come from.
jcricket @
38
As the story goes, the Pharisees did that…something about a cross of wood, crown of thorns…it got some reviews.
Sorry, guys. Phone call.
What did I miss?
TRex @ 114
Tufte
Valley Girl @ 115
Tartuffe
TRex @ 114
Everyone seems to agree that Webb is a really interesting sort and no one, so far, has had a problem with him giving Bushy a face job. Oh, and I think punaise made a pun.
VG – backatcha
Wigwam @ 112
Yoo is just another Federalist Society wacko. If he’s brilliant, it’s only in the contortions of his sophistry. Any idiot who’s read the deliberations leading to the Constitution and the Federalist Papers knows that the thrust of them was to avoid king-making, and anything tending in that direction was discouraged.
A totalitarian in academic robes is still a totalitarian. Lavrenty Beria had nothing on John Yoo.
Yoo brings shame to my hometown university
punaise @ 116
Moliere’s the pity. :)
UptownNYChick @ 86
Yeah, but the overall WaPo story is pretty annoying — it appears they’re trying to shoehorn him into the same “crazy Vietnam Vet” box that Rove tried to put McCain in. The only person they can get to actually say that Webb might be difficult to work with is an anonymous staffer, but every other paragraph in the story hints that he might go off in some wacko direction, or even get violent.
johnSwifty @ 113
As the story goes, the Pharisees did that…something about a cross of wood, crown of thorns…it got some reviews.
Yep, Jesus threatened the power structure of the Pharisees… And called them out as the hypocrites that they really were…
Hmmm, why does this story sound familiar?
Miser hurting. need Visine.
hey kirk murphy – saw you follow up at the end of a few threads ago, thanks.
No, that’s good!
We want them to think we are unpredictable. I like that.
And I like to think it’s what any of us would do under the same circumstances.
I agree with Trex here, we want them second guessing if we will get in their faces when they pull shit. Too long the Dems have been portrayed as meek and unwilling to defend ourselves. Incidents like this blow that storyline out of the water.
punaise @ 124
In a few minutes that pain will either still be there Orgon.
punaise @ 124
You guys suck! Now I’ve got to spend the rest of the night reading French Renaissance playwrights just to keep up. I fart in your general direction.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 127
I totally agree… Except with the “meek” part… We haven’t been portrayed as meek, we’ve been portrayed as WEAK! Thank gawd that Dems like Webb are finally standing up, and fighting back the right-wing bullshit!
johnSwifty @ 129
Umm, you’re getting there. I think that’s Voltaire.
Bush could avoid Cindy S., but he can’t avoid Webb. And Webb can get away with some unpredicatable cold-heat. He’s got the background and he’s got a son in Iraq. He has the very gravitas that Bush lacks. Webb behaved nothing like “crazy” –he just didn’t pretend to be friendly, and he wasn’t even really rude. How is son is, is his business.
well, montag has to take most of the blame – I’m out of my depth with the “Orgon” recital
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 127
Actually, for too long the Dems have been meek and incapable of defending themselves (ala John Kerry). Webb is a different deal. He’s going to be a blueprint for how to operate in the new paradigm if he’s not careful.
montag @ 131
Rousseau right.
You guys need to ease up on the puns tonight.
I Candide with it.
montag @ 131
I dissagree with everything you say, but I respect your right to say it. However, I remain optimistic you’ll have a snappy comeback.
Webb was being careful. That’s what was so kewl about the exchange.
Beaudelaire Eeking
There’s also the fact that anything you say to BushCo or any representative thereof runs the risk of being sucked into the blades of the Wurlitzer. The WaPo would blare, “WEBB AND BUSH BOND OVER SON” the next day.
I think he did exactly the right thing.
punaise @ 139
Sartre of.
Mr. Kettle isn’t at his desk right now. I’m afraid you’ll have to call him black later…
hee hee.
she’s a little teapot. sure, Ann: pout
Ditto-reaux
Is there No Exit from this conversation?
Well, I guess I better just Godot-ver it.
Patrick 4/4 @ 141
God! The only serious philosophical question is whether or not these puns will make me kill myself!
P4/4 in the house!
Tristero, not sully
The New York Times wants its readers to decide if they should call it a civil war.
Which is fine, I guess, unless everybody starts to disagree. Violently.
TRex @ 140
Precisely… Jim Webb is already looking like of my new “Heroes of the Senate”!
entrails @ 147
Oh, better, I can pun on Pynchon all night…oh, you meant the blogger handle.
entrails @ 147
Dude, that would totally kill my laundry joke.
Sigh.
TRex @ 136
I’ll just go back to doing the dishes, occupy myself with a nice Pangloss.
I find it disgusting that the debate over whether to call it a civil war gets more ink than the actual coverage of the civil war.
punaise @ 146
And it’s a charming chapeau.
Ce n’est pas un blog.
to the Victors go the spoils. Hugo, girl
TRex @ 151
It must be a mail thing.
johnSwifty @ 145
You won’t hear another pipe out of me.
punaise @ 156
Lay miserables and spread joy.
TRex @ 155
will Magritte-ing card arrive on time?
Patrick 4/4 @ 158
LOL!
punaise @ 160
Non. Mais, je Magritte rien.
montag @ 159
Sanctuary! Sanctuary! Shield me from these punners!
montag @ 152
Use the dishwasher. It’s the best of all possible Whirlpools.
Well, Bush was being an asshole when he talked to Webb:
What the hell does Bush know about worrying about loved ones in the middle of an out-of-control civil war? Webb was real gentleman for restraining his urge to punch Bush…
I have quite a few friends who would love the opportunity to slap him in the face for all his callousness!
punaise @ 160
Fauvist question, you should have paid for a return receipt.
storming the bus, teal
(or bass tea)
It’s a civil war. But is it art?
TRex, Yourcenar’s tea when you put your mind to it
Patrick 4/4 @ 168
Hello Dali!
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 170
is that a picture of the Dali llama?
atdnext @ 165
Yep, and that’s what I’d want to do too. And Trex is exactly right about Webb doing exactly the right thing. And that’s exactly what Democrats need to take note of. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to outwit these guys. What they will suffer more from is an American classic, “At long last, have you no sense of decency,” frontal assualt.
punaise @ 171
Merely holding a Miro up to nature.
Patrick 4/4 @ 168
BWAAAAH-HAAAA-HAAAAA!!
Heh.
luvallu
This in not pun material, more like a cause for sober reflection (not to say that we haven’t been doing that re: the Civil war in Iraq) but the art references reminded me of Guernica, Picasso.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)
Dumas in defaillance era question?
johnSwifty @ 172
Yes! Finally, we’re seeing some Dems who are willing to fight back! If there’s anything that Election 2006 proved, it’s that it pays to fight back against right-wing crap, and show that we’re not willing to lie down and let them roll over us.
Valley Girl @ 176
It’s at the bottom of the page I’ve been referencing. Some really amazing images.
And this one looks over my shoulder while I type.
punaise @ 171
When Dali was told it was cold in Tibet, he said, “alpaca sweatah.”
montag @
166
Alright, I tried this on for size and got nothing a few threads ago. It’s the best I got (pathetic I know) but all I can figure is that I have no idea how to actually pronounce Camus, if it doesn’t ryhme with Warren Beatty’s best movie, it is a stranger to me:
montag @
138
Camus, rinse, repeat!
montag @ 180
He said it while smiling with Klee.
montag @ 180
when he bought it he paid cash, mere few dollars
Xianix!
Naomi @ 184
Xanax!
Xenu!
Best band name EVAARR!!11!!
that Zola got to say for now – will check back in a while
Naomi @ 184
take two and call back in the morning
punaise @ 186
Isn’t it a little late for Emile?
punaise @ 187
Don’t spell it out or you’ll be trapped in spam moderation. Trust me.
johnSwifty @ 181
Yes, I caught that, but the thread was dead. However, it was A Happy Death.
From AP:
U.S. Bans sales of iPods to N. Korea.
They will however encourage sales of Zunes.
TRex @
185
Yeah but wiki says it’s pronounced “kamy“. I don’t like to think I spent most of my teens and quite a few black turtlenecks talking like a midwestern geek in Paris (although, that is undoubtedly the case–we thought black turtlenecks went with raspberry berets)
punaise @ 187
I’m seized by the concern that withdrawal from this thread may be hazardous to your health.
If you want to insult Althouse, I’m all for it, be my guest. But could you do it only on her lack of intelligence and general lameness rather than you know, being over 30 and female?
montag @ 190
Hee! I know it’s absurd, but I have a shallow existentiallistence.
kirk murphy @ 193
ixnay on the anaxzay.
and the Anasazi.
Patrick 4/4 @ 188
I’m sure when he gets back, he will Boris with the details of his rePast, er, snak.
Patrick 4/4 @
191
Good grief.
What adolescent nonsense!
Wigwam @ 198
What adolescent nonsense!
After all, this is a dangerous weapon. Everyone knows about iTunes extensive Korean martial music catalog.
montag @ 197
I’m a Julie Christie-ist from way back.
Gzeundheit.
TRex @ 201
Oy vey.
Boooooooo!
I am not imProust.
montag @ 199
After all, this is a dangerous weapon. Everyone knows about iTunes extensive Korean martial music catalog.
All your Tune are belong to us
montag @ 199
After all, this is a dangerous weapon. Everyone knows about iTunes extensive Korean martial music catalog.
If the IAEA can’t stop him, you send in the RIAA.
Wait til they find out about Kim Jong Il’s hidden ziggurats.
TRex @ 203
Madeleine? Is that you?
Patrick 4/4 @ 200
That’s good. It will keep you ahead of and Far From the Madding Crowd.
You people Rousseau sophisticated, I cannot compete.
montag @ 208 That’s good. It will keep you ahead of and Far From the Madding Crowd.
Sweet, back to this side of the channel, I can Eustacia Vie with that!
Hey, how about a letter-writing campaign asking why Bill O’Reilly doesn’t want the troops home for Christmas?
Patrick 4/4 @ 211
Let’s make that, “back for the holidays?”
TRex @ 203
Well, I can understand that reaction, re: min. brains of ding bats.
neurophius @ 212
We know why he doesn’t want that.
neurophius @ 212
there goes the war on Christmas again :)
JohnSwifty @ 210
Sweet, back to this side of the channel, I can Eustacia Vie with that!
Over on the other side, I cannot conTess
JohnSwifty @ 216
Over on the other side, I cannot conTess
Hardy har har.
JohnSwifty @ 216
Over on the other side, I cannot conTess
I used to live next to a Tess. That was a long time ago, in Dooberville.
kirk murphy @ 215
You’d think that Billo would want them back to help fight the war here….
Patrick 4/4 @ 217
Yeah, I never imagined considering Hardy an upbeat note, but I’ll get while the gettin is good. It’s late for me, but it was worth it. Thanks so much friends.
Peace, love! Out, here.
JohnSwifty @ 220
What he said.
Night all.
peace with zignity.
good night, all.
Good night.
Sweet dreams.
See everybody tomorrow.
g’night friends -
blessings and grins…
montag @ 219
No, Bill wants them fighting the War on Christmas there so we don’t have to fight it here.
neurophius @ 225
Guess Rambillo doesn’t need any reinforcements. He’s a one-man army in this war.
They’ll have my traditional tinsel when they pry my cold, dead, lead-poisoned fingers off the ornament boxes.
kirk murphy @ 227
So that’s where O’Really’s balls come from? (!)
montag @ 228
707
g’nite all. sweetness in your dreams!
Wow. I just now found this over at HuffPo:
So, we’re going to have to give up freedom of speech to prevent the terrists from taking out a city.
Hmmm. I don’t think that’s going to be a top campaign issue in ‘08. But what the hell, it’s worth a try.
Wigwam @ 231
Yeah, that’s been batted around a bit today. Gingrich is pulling out all the stops to out-McCain McCain.
Maybe we should call this the “put a sock in it, Gingrich” campaign. :)
For those unfamiliar with the site, it’s active again:
http://altmouse.blogspot.com/
(disclaimer: I am NOT the Altmouse blogger, though I know s/he/it well.) (Isn’t that how they say “shit” in Texas?)
churl @
11
Oh, wow. I just love the “faithy,” churl. TRex might as well have taken the picture at the top of this post in my kitchen, except my Meeser lays her ears back at a black cat… And now, without further ado, today’s NYT columnists, from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Thomas Friedman, “Ten Months or Ten Years.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th
Maureen Dowd, “Turning on the Puppet.”
For anyone who’s up early this morning and checking in, I’ve been up most of the night working on a deadline and just caught Imus in the Morning on MSNBC. Radio talk show host Jay Severin (sp?) (from Boston I think) just read a proclamation, which he composed, accusing Bush of high crimes and misdemeanors and calling for his resignation or impeachment. Didn’t get a chance to liveblog the proclamation but will try to find a transcript.
from the brad blog
The use of “Christianist” as a term to distinguish the spiritual from the power-hungry is not a new one, even if Sully has failed so far to cite earlier use.
On CSpan just now a caller said something to the effect that its time to forget the ballot box and break out the bullet box” and the host said “thank you for your call”
Mornin’.
Riesz Fischer @ 239
Needless to say, the caller was a Rethug. Can’t remember if same person or another who was on a major whine about liberal/Dem callers outnumbering the thugs six to one. Poooooooor babies………just can’t get their message out.
Details from the Charlotte Observer on one of the two last Congressional races to be counted, Kissell-Hayes in NC-08.
Donate here to help fund the recount.
The same site has a place to support Karen Carter in the Louisiana runoff.
mornin’ all!
I wish someone would start calling out the small c christians on what their”faith”does to families. It ripped mine apart,I know I’m not the only one.
Gay and lesbian kids being disowned by their parents. Husbands taking this “faith”and using it as an excuse to be tyrants with their wives and kids. Family members with different beliefs being either hounded constantly with hellfire and brimstone or just plain kicked out of the family. How Christian is that?
I don’t think it’s teh gay that’s ruining and threatening marriages. It’s this sort of anal retentive need to dictate to everyone a very narrow way of life that’s the threat. These people have confused fear and respect,the two don’t mix.
I don’t understand what these people think they’re winning by doing this. Diminishing other human beings makes you better how exactly? Making others miserable is cheap,easy and chickenshit. It takes more character,love,and placing a value on life to lift up others. And yes,it’s harder sometimes,but the payoff is way bigger than what one finds in the large,cold rooms of any megachurch.
God is not a vending machine ready to make you rich if you’d only behave yourself a certain way. That’s what annoys the snot out of me about this “movement”. I always thought Christians were supposed to walk with Christ,not run ahead and stomp all over the future.
My grandma used to say that God answers all prayers,it’s just that sometimes the answer is no.
What *is* Ann Althouse’s deal? I thought she was styling herself as a liberal/moderate. First she attacks attractive female bloggers. Then she defends the notion of Islamicist over Christianist, with a lot of namecalling. There’s also this annoying smug little flourish in her’s and InstaIdiot’s writing, like they hope to fall back in retreat on their “cleverness” instead of giving the Good Glenn G. an inch. My experience si that academics usually see through the likes of Annie Althouse. I wonder if her colleagues “cross the street” so to speak when they see her on campus.
Is it a civil war yet?
Fierce fighting shuts down Iraqi city
alittlemusicalityplease @ 236
And Lord knows, MSNBC will be too dumb, lazy, biased, whatever to replay that. Sheeesh, my neverending frustration with how far behind the online curve they are for something that begins with Microsoft.
Also on Imus, Stephanopoulos coming up–he’s getting better and better. Last Sunday’s show light years ahead of the moldering Meet the Press.
And, props to the Anti-Noron: Amy Robach is terrific. Down-to-earth, not full of her own ego. Yet gets good interviews. She’s on right after Imus, but I see that as temporary. Meredith Viera, your successor is ready.
Mornin’ Firedogs,
. . . a hint of good news for those still suffering in NO
Judge rules insurance covers New Orleans homeowners
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..surance_dc
cbl @ 248
Who would think the insurance companies would try to weasel out of their obligations?
Accept defeat by Taliban, Pakistan tells Nato
Pakistan’s foreign minister, Khurshid Kasuri, has said in private briefings to foreign ministers of some Nato member states that the Taliban are winning the war in Afghanistan and Nato is bound to fail. He has advised against sending more troops.
Prairie Sunshine @247
I rarely tuned in to msnbc until Keith Obermann started making it really interesting. His was the last program I saw last night so Imus came up when I flicked the TV on this morning. Havent watched Amy Robach but I’ll check it out.
Pentagon seeks at least $127B in new war funds
The spending plans may push the Defense Department into conflict with Democrats as they take control of Capitol Hill in January. Democrats had been planning to limit the emergency “supplemental” spending measures that have funded the wars in favor of the regular federal budget process, which affords greater oversight and congressional control.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01381.html
No matter what happens it’s good for the GOP
mui @ 245
She’s a liar. This has been simply answers to simple questions.
churl @
11
Not all of Leviticus…I bet Ann the Clueless-One once ate a cheeseburger.
good morning. coffee’s ready…
CNN – Al Sadar will make good on his promise of suspending their govt ties when PM meets w/ Bush.
today’s reality template – compare and contrast with the TradMed blather soon to leech out of Jordan
http://stevegilliard.blogspot……dness.html
new thread
Hey, looks like the WaPo has found our face saving way out of Iraq.
It was all the Iraqi’s fault.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01499.html
There’s a lot of blaming in the article, but this has to be weirdest line.
“But more than three years later, with schools and hospitals struggling, electrical service faltering, and police and government agencies infiltrated by sectarian death squads, the question of blame is more urgent.”
Always got to get the blame out of the way before taking action.
BTW, the dominant cat in the picture is the one on the right. The one on the left is cowering, unsure what the dominant one will do.
So the caption should identity Greewald with the cat on the right….
klyde @ 254
Ech, Pardon? Never mind. It was a “simply answer” to a rhetorical question.
Ok–really dumb question time. Prof Althouse is working at a research 1 university, which rewards faculty who conduct important cutting edge research.
Why is Althouse running a blog? How does she have TIME to run a blg? What about teaching and service?
There are very few profs who blog AND do lots of terrific research (Juan Cole is perhaps my favorite public intellectual), generally because BOTH, if done well, are enormously time consuming.
So, is Althouse both a hack blogger and hack prof? (I know, catty, catty, catty).
And how happy are the taxpayers of Wisconsin about this?