
(AP Photo/Kirsty Wigglesworth)
Yes, by all means, let's continue this charade of ignorance, obfuscation, and ego, shall we?
"There's one thing I'm not going to do, I'm not going to pull our troops off the battlefield before the mission is complete," he said in a speech setting the stage for high-stakes meetings with the Iraqi prime minister later this week. "We can accept nothing less than victory for our children and our grandchildren."
Translation: "I don't care how screwed up things are, I am not losing face so we are not leaving, and you can't tell me what to do. So there."
Guess it all depends on what your definition of FUBAR is:
"But saying it isn't civil war doesn't make it so," said Galbraith, a former U.S. diplomat and Bush critic who has proposed partitioning Iraq. "Training and equipping Iraq's security forces as the United States is doing only produces more lethal combatants in the country's internecine conflict."
The potency of the term civil war comes from the fact that "it's not what we signed up for," said David Rothkopf of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "We went in there to replace a despotic government with a democratic government. We said we were there to get rid of terrorists. Well, which side are the terrorists?
"Now we find ourselves being a referee in a civil war. Neither side is us. It means that the premise for our national involvement and policies has been challenged and compromised," Rothkopf said....
"If you're lying dead on the street in Baghdad, I don't imagine it makes much difference" what the conflict is called, Rothkopf said, adding that the debate is "taking us away from" looking at the key moral and strategic questions about how the United States should handle it.
Let's just stop the PR tap dance, shall we, and start looking at this mess like grown up people. Let's all admit that the situation in Iraq is one big FUBAR mess, that George Bush should swallow his pride and own up to the fact that this is so, and that we need to stop marking time, dithering and generally just making things worse by trying on different pairs of rose-colored glasses instead of just being honest -- with ourselves, with the American public and with the military and their families.
Iraq is a mess. We made it so. Innocent people are dying. That is bad.
Our soldiers are caught in the crossfire of a civil war, and they are caught in a horrible conundrum as a result, because they cannot be seen as taking sides or they lose what little credibility they have left, after our bungled mess of a non-strategy that they have been forced to foist on Iraq -- and yet, by not taking sides, the violence is increasing by the hour. And the loss of life continues to increase every single day.
As Hugh said in the comments yesterday, to pretend that the militias, the factions, the insurgents, the Iraqi government and the sectarian and civil violence are not intertwined and one and the same is to ignore the reality that is Iraq at the moment. The sooner we all look this mess in the face and see it for what it really is, the better -- because all the rose-colored glasses do is extend the inevitable leave-taking into someone else's future. But that leaves no future for the American soldiers who will die there in the meantime, let alone the innocent civilians trapped in the middle of this mess in Iraq.
Hell, even Joe Scarborough was quoting John Kerry's "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" quote from Kerry's testimony in 1971. And Pat Buchanon agreed with him. (Yes, I did almost spew my tea as I was listening to the show. It was as though I were watching some sort of Bizarro Scarborough, wherein he agreed, repeatedly, with Lawrence O'Donnell.)
Jim Miklaszewski just spent time on MSNBC explaining the Administration's "resurrect the al qaeda boogeyman" strategy for changing subject from civil war in Iraq. And he did the reporting with a smirk on his face. If military families where I live are any judge, this strategy is doomed -- military folks who have done multiple (and I mean MULTIPLE) tours in Iraq know how bad things are on the ground right now, and so do their families. And if you think people aren't talking about it and praying about it and crying with their friends and family about it over the holidays, you can think again. The snow job is not going to work -- not this time.
Why the WaPo feels like it cannot be honest with its readers about this issue, and call it like it is, especially with such great reporting from Dafna Linzer and Thomas Ricks today on the Marine Corps assessment that the WH and DoD whack-a-mole strategy will not defeat the violent insurgency in Anbar province and that they do not have the resources to do more there other than keep throwing Marine bodies at the problem, I have no idea. (And can I just tell you how angry that article made me? Please, go read it. And then call your members of Congress and ask for oversight hearings. Please.) Maybe someone should ask L'il Debbie about this WaPo language problem? Does the Bush Administration get to define when they have defied the rule of law, overstepped the bounds of authority and stomped on the Constitution as well for the WaPo -- because, if so, that could explain a whole LOT.
Atrios has a great summary of the definitionalization strategerification soft shoe that the Bush Administration is trying to pull, via the Daily Show. And Digby asks a very important question: why on earth should we continue to treat seriously the various twaddlings of any of the morons who continue to prop up this idiocy? I mean, honestly, if the definition of insanity is to continue to do the same unhelpful thing, over and over, why would we turn to the very people who keep jumping up and down to try and grab the "repeat play" button?
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This post reminds me to rent ‘Groundhog Day’ again. Every day, the same old recycled BS.
WHAT. FUCKING. MISSION????
All kidding aside, I wonder if there is one shred of decency inside that man or once ounce of comprehension.
Balrog @ 0
Er, from Bush, not from FDL…
Robin Williams?!
FUBAR is the province of the Deciderer
Exactly. When does one of the Stenographers calmly ask “what is the mission?”
I beleive that a “junta” operates on the same philosophy as BushCo. I am surprised Georgie has not moved to desolve congress. He obviously pays lip service to democracy — either that or he does not understand how republican, oops scratch that word, okay representative democracy works.
He needs to feel the force of the U.S. Constitution and be charged with treason.
Could somebody PLEASE photoshop this guys eyeballs a normal distance apart?? Thanks.
Does Bush’s new strategery imply that he has decided to retain what support he has left (yeah, those guys) and ride them until the end?
Jump on my back, you 30%ers, I’m gonna carry us to victory!
Madness. But if he has to choose between going down with the ship he created or admitting he was wrong, I’m guessing he’ll choose the former.
Nothing new here, but intervention must occur.
It truly has become the Madness of King George.
Here is a desperate example of seeing the glass as “half-full”. Is it possible that he keeps repeating this insane drivel in order to buy time for a cleaner, less chaotic withdrawal?? Someone in previous comments to another post said that withdrawals can be messy and dangerous to all involved. I know this theory is shaky at best but maybe the Generals want him speaking as though nothing is changing in the immediate future so they get everyone out w/ fewer casualties…okay back to my bottle and bong ;)
I suspect that it’s in the interests of the American occupation of Iraq for there to be conflict, armed conflict, between the three (four?) factions. If they stop shooting at each other, they would turn their fire on the one thing they are all opposed to: The American occupation forces.
I am just sick over the many young soldiers, sailors, marines and girls in uniform - yes, girls in their early 20s - who have been and who will continue to be sacrificed for this amoral, son-of-a-great-cross-eyed-bitch’s idiocy and hubris.
God, it hurts to be numbered among responsible and sane Texans who tried to tell people the first time around that he had wrecked Texas and would do the same to the country.
I never dreamed that he would so readily expand his grasp to the known world. God forgive us.
from guest poster Christina Larson at Kevin Drum’s place:
drinksforall @ 11
Nicely strategerized! But whose strategery is it? Neither Chimpy nor Dead-Eye would ever have agreed to this.
Never has there been an Emperor more naked than this one. Even the corporate press is beginning to get embarrassed.
Tom Friedman, who I usually don’t agree with, said on the Today Show this morning that the only solution to the present morass in Iraq is a complete military reoccupation to establish order. Things are that messed up. Of course he said reoccupation is not practical. Friedman is a wealthy globetrotting “theorist.”
Ain’t he got a fuckin library to build or something?
Why can’t he let someone else drive for once?
At this point, the only thing I can see to do is pull everyone back into Bahgdad.
Retake control of Bahgdad,stop the genocide in the city, set up some kind of government,
and fucking pull out!!
Balrog @ 16
If anyone it would be the generals on the ground, who are FEEEEDD UP w/ this fiasco and are demanding for withdrawal (I know they can’t force the issue but let me dream)
Scarborough has seen Olbermann’s ratings.
Twisted Martini @ 7
Exactly. What is our mission in the middle of a civil war?
sorry - this post in in reference to one going back a ways on the Dowd column re Pelosi. I did not have time to post but thought Christy was spot on about cattiness (until she was catty about Dowd’s haircolor - tsk tsk)
I have noticed that the last two columns I read of Dowd’s(which is two more than I usually read) were actually quite intelligent and thoughtful.
Perhaps more women should let other women know when they have stepped over the line…
cheers - bye
From the LA Times:
Numerous policy options were put forward at the meeting, which revolved around a strategy paper prepared by Hadley and drawn from his recent trip to Baghdad. One was the Shiite option. Participants were asked to consider whether the U.S. could really afford to keep fighting both the Sunni insurgency and Shiite militias — or whether it should instead focus its efforts on combating the Sunni insurgency exclusively, and even help empower the Shiites against the Sunnis.
via Political Animal
They have to do something different. They can’t with all their commissions and study groups and a battering at the polls be seen as doing nothing different. Up until now, I thought what they would do is follow McCain’s path–commit more troops, wait a couple of Friedman’s. Then commission more study groups and do more analysis until after inauguration day 2009. That would be very bad. But Bush clearly will not commence withdrawals.
Now this is something different that I found pretty much unthinkable. It makes absolutely no diplomatic or strategic sense to expand the magnitude of Iran’s victory here by taking the sides of the Shiites. It would be absolutely appalling for the United States to make common cause with militias that are in the process of ethnic cleansing, killing people based solely on their religion. Moreover, even from a realpolitik framework, the resulting government will be no friend of the United States.
That this can even be considered demonstrates that all that’s going on here is to find a way to keep the war going until Bush leaves office, or a government of some reasonable stability is established, regardless of the effect on Iraqi civilians or American troops.
And you know what? When you and all your relatives are threatened with death, you’re not gonna surrender. There would be no point. You’ll be killed either way. Keep in mind that it’s the Sunnis who know where Saddam’s weapon caches are.
Now this is going to be extremely bloody and very destablizing whether the US is there or not. But it violates every principle this country claims to have to participate in genocide. To do it just to save Bush’s face was, as I said, unthinkable until the last couple of days.
Articles that make you go hmm
Tom @ 9:41 am (#2)
You read my mind. There is nothing we can accomplish there anymore, even with twice the troops we have now. We can’t mediate, because we won’t talk to the “bad guys”. We can’t train and arm the police, because we’d just be training the militias. The place has been going downhill for most of the last two years, and all we’ve accomplished are a couple of bizarre elections and a constitution that requires its own Ph.D. program to fully grasp its complexities.
Biodun @ 18
I am surprised Friedman commented on Iraq. It’s all so last year, so pre-The world is flat and China is the new green. I mean with his busy schedule of promoting and self-promoting how could he be expected to remember what happened so many Friedmans ago in a place like Iraq.
punaise @
6
SNAFU is the capital of FUBAR
My question is,
What is it we must view to realize we have GOT to get out of there?
And, how do we take the president out of office for incompetance, incapacity? Because he surely is.
Events are already beyond BushCo.’s control. We may well see our army trapped, then slaughtered.
from http://atruepatriot.blogspot.com/
windje @ 28
And the general order of the day there with regard to unpleasant or inconvenient information is STFU.
Anyone that doesn’t realize that this man is not CAPABLE of changing his mind is in for a rude awakening. He’ll tell James Baker what he wants to hear and then DO EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. Just like any manupulative 10 year old.
Here’s a lovely sentiment from favorite Tom Tancredo:
But, in a conciliatory gesture, agreed to visit:
Read it here.
For those who’ve seen THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND…
Check out those eyes on Bush!
Remind you of anyone?
Ot and long, but Deadey might have some serious problems coming…
Dick Cheney Fitted for New Halliburton Uniform - Striped Jumpsuit
By Evelyn Pringle
The US Securities and Exchange Commission is conducting a formal investigation into whether Halliburton made improper payments to government officials in Nigeria in connection with the construction and expansion by TSKJ of a natural gas liquefaction complex and facilities at Bonny Island in Rivers State, Nigeria.
TSKJ is a company registered in Portugal whose members include Technip SA of France, Snamprogetti Netherlands BV, a subsidiary of Saipem SpA of Italy, JGC Corporation of Japan, and Kellogg Brown & Root, a successor to the MW Kellogg Company, each of which has a 25% interest in the venture.
snip
And last but not least, on August 7, 2006, the Financial Times of London reported that KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton, is being investigated by Britain’s Serious Fraud Office over the company’s role in an alleged plot to pay more than $170 million in bribes to win $7 billion worth of contracts at a Nigerian oil
For part of the period under investigation, the newspaper reported, Halliburton was headed by Vice President Dick Cheney.
snip
The payments were made during Cheney’s tenure, and according to the Boson Globe, “If such payments were made and Cheney approved them, he could be guilty of violating the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.”
snip
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0611/S00037.htm
Hugh @ 27
I think with MSM, he’s still seen as a Middle East “expert,” given his stint there as a correspondent and bureau chief and all, and given his Pulitzer for his book about that region.
But you’re right: He’s all global now, with the flat world, and with all the ideas in his book that he recycled from a seminal article on globalization and the fluidity of capital that appeared in the first issue of Zone in 1987.
We know what the war machine thought of the Kennedys before they killed them both.
What the hell do they think of the Bushes?
Bustednuckles 36 — hate to break it to you, but the French had been looking into this for the last 3 years, if memory serves. At one time there was discussion overseas about the EU pressing charges against DeadEye for corruption.
Still waiting for that to happen.
Remember the scene in Apocalypse Now where Martin Sheen’s wandering through a bunker at night looking for the CO and comes upon a soldier who calmly launches a grenade at the sound of a cursing VC and takes him out?
Sheen asks him, “Soldier, do you know who’s in charge here?”
The soldier says, “Yeah” and walks away.
Sheen leaves saying to surfer Lance, “There’s no one in charge here.”
Well, there you go Iraq.
Rayne @ 39
Dammit.Had my hopes up ,there for a minute.
It is not possible to have a rational discussion or situational analysis with a psychopath; and I don’t use that word lightly. The question is how can the Congress work around a commander-in-chief who is crazy. The real Constitutional crisis will occur when he wants to bomb Iran.
punaise @ 15
$50B here and $50B there . . . pretty soon you’re talking about real money.
Recently the guys from “Car Talk” took a call from an active duty GI stationed in Iraq, asking about the improving the maintenance for up-armored humvees. The mechanics are swapping out struts, shocks, and other parts weekly - far sooner than the factory specs - and things are still a mess. Funny how adding all that non-standard weight to a vehicle kills the suspension system and other things, especially when you run the vehicles on non-standard surfaces. Tom and Ray sympathized, but when you add a couple hundred pounds to a vehicle that was NOT DESIGNED FOR IT, that’s what’s needed. The alternative - breaking down in the middle of a battlefield - is hardly attractive, so you do ten times the preventive work so avoid that possibility.
Take that story, and multiply it across the military from top to bottom. That’s what Bush, Rummy, and Co. have done, and it’s going to be a long time before things are put right.
Speaking of Definitionalization Strategerification, I just watched Dana Priest of WaPo defend her publications refusal to use the term Civil War. She suggested to Chris Matthews that Somolia was not a civil war, and Bosnia was not a civil war, thus, Iraq is not a civil war. When Matthews asked what the Post called the war in Lebanon, she uncomfortably reported “Civil War.”
I think we should recommend rejecting any publication that will not use the term Civil War to describe the internal strife in Iraq as being either unreliable or in Bush’s pocket.
It is clear that a media outlet that is unwilliing to use the best descriptor of events is a shill rather than a news orgainization.
Bustednuckles @ 36
I believe a pardon from King of the Britons will resolve this matter.
‘Well I didn’t vote for you!’
CEO 38 — you’re assuming there’s daylight between the Bush family and the war machine, yes?
Christy Hardin Smith,
You write: ‘Innocent people are dying. That is bad.’
Yes, no one can deny that it is bad. But then I must assume that also guilty people are dying. Because a lot of people are dying. Who are these guilty people? U.S. troops in Iraq? Or are they innocent? Who? Iraqis who are fighting to kick out the foreigners, you know, like the foreigners causing shit in D.C.? All the people of Iraq are innocent because they were intentionally invavaded by a foreign country or countries. All those foreigners are guilty. Or am I wrong? Is George Bush guilty then? Tell me. When will this moralizing nonsense END!
Hey Cozumel — you out there?
Did you catch this at No Quarter? Sure looks like somebody will issue a report if they are already chatting away like this.
dead last 44 — did Dana actually give some benchmarks or qualifications to support WaPo’s rationale?
Yes, an intervention is definitely necessary. [CHS ed.: Please, watch the implications of what you say on this sort of thing. We are quite well aware that the Secret Service does, from time to time, monitor the internets. And your snark could be over-construed. Which would be bad for you. Just a friendly reminder that sometimes things are not such a good idea for typing.]
probably way, way more than 3,000 U.S. Military KIA by now in Iraq.
Does anyone beleive that military casualty counts are the one thing that this mendacious administration is telling the truth about?
Quentin at 47 — You have got to be kidding me with that string of questions, aren’t you? Because I don’t even know where to start with such a simplistic viewpoint on things. The “Innocent people are dying. That is bad.” phrasing — that was meant to highlight the idiocy of the black and white moralizing, all the while pointing out the hypocrisy of the “stay the course” rhetoric. Clearly that didn’t hit a nerve properly with you.
High drama and midemeanors, in one part
The Decider: You want answers?
The American People: I think we are entitled.
The Clusterfuck: You want answers?!
The American People: We want the truth!
The Arrogant One: You can’t handle the truth!
Jack
in that photo his mouth almost looks like cheney’s but his eyes, his eyes show just how terrified he is ……..
What the hell is wrong with this president. Is he stupid, terminally nuts, what, WHAT?
Rayne @ 48
I’ll take a look, thanks!
Boudica @ 54
Yes.
Bustednuckles — here, did some digging on the DeadEye corruption story. Note the date on the story.
Ugh. This guy is bad to the bone, has been all along.
Seems the WaPo used the term “ethnic war” for the Muslim-Serb-Croat ethnic war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....Jul25.html
The also used the term civil war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....Jun30.html
“Many Bosnian Serbs regard Karadjic, their former president, as a nationalist hero who protected their communities during the civil war.”
Rayne 46 - Ultimately Michael had Neri Take out Fredo.
The machine has got to be worried about waging future wars.
Somehow, the children and grandchildren of the Bush family just never serve. So Bush is talking about things for which he has no personal stake. It’s so easy to be a tough guy in a situation like Bush’s.
How is this acceptable to Republicans? Are Republicans really royalists and the Bush Family is their Royal Family?
Rayne @ 48
Her only real defense was that the Iraqi PM has refused to call it a civil war (as if he is not a puppet). Here is the link:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....a-on-iraq/
While we’re quibbling about what’s a “civil war,” you put the real issue out in plain sight: “Our soldiers … cannot be seen as taking sides or they lose what little credibility they have left, after our bungled mess of a non-strategy that they have been forced to foist on Iraq – and yet, by not taking sides, the violence is increasing by the hour.”
It’s a civil war. We know of at least two sides, and each of them has identified the other. To imagine that we’re qualified or powerful enough to “referee” this dispute is crazy. We are not a disinterested party. This carnage was not taking place before we took over the country.
As we look toward the exits, we need to take a narrower view of our capabilities. The majority of Iraqis want us to leave. The Iraqis are deciding every day how much worse they will make the death and destruction. I don’t think many of them are consulting us or asking our permission. The only important decision that is still in our hands is how we leave.
Our armed forces find themselves in the middle of a civil war. Neutrality is not ours to define: When you’re the occupying army, failure to defend people under attack is equivalent to support for the attackers. We can defend the weak against the strong or join the strong in attacking the weak. That may not be how we see it, but it is how we will be seen, and our action and inaction–not our intentions–will count most in defining our history and culpability in Iraq and our debt to the survivors.
TRANSLATION: Since we’re sticking them with the bill for the clusterfuck, it’s the least we can do for them…
Rayne @ 48
No she did not. She was stupid on that show. I was surprised that she said what she said and actually embarrassed for her. From her writing I was expecting something different.
You know what gets me in the photo Christy’s used here? This guy really does look whacked out.
I’m almost afraid what would happen if somebody in the media actually did press him and ask as Tom asks, “What.Fucking.Mission?”
The notion of a U.S. president having a full-blown melt down in front of the media would have enormous repercussions; could be why nobody has pressed this issue, knowing they are flirting with this mess.
Can you imagine a president being declared incompetent? Can you imagine DeadEye delivering that news to the American public?
Gah. As much as I can’t stand his truly moronic blathering, it might be better to choke it out a while longer with Dubya’s clearly ungrounded talk.
1,341 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Thank you for FDL and for the focus this community has brought to my undifferentiated frustration and pain about this terrible horror that has morphed over decades from VietNam to Iraq. When the fast-growing fascist cancer begun in 1994 metastasized in the theft of the 2000 election, I experienced a sick empty feeling of dread and remembrance. Then came 9/11 and I knew where we were headed…the actual invasion of Iraq was anti-climax.
This site and the great progressive bloggosphere patriot army got me involved in politics again and gave me direction for the terrible feelings of anger and horror which the Iraq War rekindled. Those old demons that it took me several decades to put behind me are back…I know how ta deal with ‘em and I will but I don’t have the energy or the will anymore to convince myself that “everything will be alright”. Putting faith in the higher power of people and collective action takes energy I don’t seem ta have anymore. I know that the force of the goodness of the American people and their collective action can will out but I just don’t know if it will.
The number of American deaths in this conflict is proportional to the number we suffered in Viet Nam based on the number of troops we committed in Viet Nam over the total course of that awful conflict. The number of severely disabled and dismembered survivors is actually gunna be LARGER than what we were left with after Viet Nam. And those kids who survive this terrible mess won’t have the GI Bill, Veteran’s Hospitals and Clinics and other survivors benefits we had after Viet Nam.
And of course there are the innocent Iraqi casualties…just the shear number of innocents we have doomed there removes any claim we have had in the past to sharing a future on this planet with a moral population.
So people, please let’s work together to end this American-made tragedy…we must be focused and monomaniacal. Nothing, not the economy, not taxes, not health care, not education, not the urge to compromise and certainly not fear should occupy even a moment of our time politically right now. We must dedicate ourselves to ending this madness and removing any politician who stands in the way.
I won’t be postin’ for awhile but I’ll try and make time to keep up with the conversation. There’s too much ta do and I’m old and male and don’t multitask very well anyway. I want to apologize to anyone I may have offended in my impatience with prolonged discussion over things I considered only secondary to the real problem…but, Firepups, please focus on ending this war and the end goes through the Constitution and impeachment, don’t let ‘em scare you off the subject.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS UP!!
People! This is your Brain on drugs.
Tom @ 2
Exactly — a question the MSM should be asking, no?
Here is a good measure of our success in Iraq.
Remember when we were able to put the faces of our key enemies on a single deck of cards?
There aren’t enough cards in Vegas to do that now.
Random thought on the civil war:
There have been posts here and other evidence that the US has covertly been involved in fomenting Shia/Sunni fighting.
What would be the reason?
Two things came to mind this AM:
1. For Neocons, only one thing is better than killing an Arab: have them kill eachother
2. A corollary to the theory: “we’ll fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”: “Let them kill eachother so they don’t gang up on us.”
I’ve always felt that civil war was the acceptable outcome for BushCo.
And can we also talk about how much we have paid in lives, treasure (not to mention opportunity to get out in some kind of order) by using the Baker Commission delaying tactic to dither until after the election instead of actually making a decision?
The modern GOP, always putting party before country.
punaise @ 15
This may not be a very popular idea, but maybe we don’t need to fully reconstitute the military. Perhaps it’s time to realize that a large standing army is too much of a temptation for many (most?) of our leaders, and it’s high time we actually realized the peace dividend we were supposed to get after St. Ronnie slayed the Russian dragon.
Rayne at 48:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15935496/
SF Chronicle:
FWIW, Lafayette is in Ellen Tauscher’s district
This man has many issues but not the least of which is the fact that he has fetal alcohol syndrome. The eyes and lips are a dead giveaway. His (lack of) cognition is another.
Thanks Rayne.
Being at work, I kinda pop in and out.
NORSKE!
keep the faith ,brother.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 66
Always loved your emotion and passion…
“Everything we do is important. Every little thing we do, every picket line we walk on, every letter we write, every act of civil disobedience we engage in, any recruiter that we talk to, any parent that we talk to, any GI that we talk to, any young person that we talk to, anything we do in class, outside of class, everything we do in the direction of a different world is important, even though at the moment they seem futile, because that’s how change comes about. Change comes about when millions of people do little things, which at certain points in history come together, and then something good and something important happens.” Howard Zinn
Will miss you, Jack
CEO 59 –
Baker = Neri. Done deal.
dead last — Good gravy. I can’t contemplate becoming a professional journalist like Dana Priest if this is the kind of work one would have to do to get paid.
Ce n’est pas une guerre civile.
Makes me want to cross-stitch some pillows with this on it. I do wonder how to say this in Farsi and Arabic.
dead last,
People have been citing Lakoff a lot recently and his: Don’t think about white elephants argument. So what are you thinking about right now? The more Bush and the media reject using the description of civil war and defend not calling a civil war a civil war the more all of us are going to hear civil war civil war civil war civil war.
old gold @ 69
oh my gawd!
excellant!!!!
kemo @ 70
if that were the case we’d have already pulled out, with orders from fuckwad.
oh well, nevermind
I wonder how daddy feels about this. He sends in his fixers to pull juniors ass out of the fire, and this is the thanks he gets? What a naughty little boy.
And here we thought that GWB wouldn’t agree to a timetable . . .
fahrender @81: if that were the case we’d have already pulled out, with orders from fuckwad.
Sure, but there are still bases to be built and oil deals to set-up, and civil war provides a great diversion for the locals. Of course the media can’t call it a “civil war”, because then the folks in the US would demand a pull out, and scrutinize any of the “under-reported” reasons… Asking questions like “yeah, but is it worth more GI lives?”
BushCo don’t want that, no sir.
From now on, the White House will be known as “Grey Gardens.”
Biodun 73 — Agh, it was that bad? Cripes, it reads like she was babbling there at the end.
Thanks for that transcript, though, almost hard to believe without reading it.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOHN ARAVOSIS!
PINK PANTHERS BLOG
HONORS A TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT
AND HERO TO THE LGBT COMMUNITY
The problem we all make is to look at Bush as anything other than a frat boy on spring break. That’s all he is, just like his kids. He doesn’t give a F**K what anyone thinks.
“We can accept nothing less than victory for our children and our grandchildren.”
Watchoo mean WE Kemosabe?
We already have. Maybe no one put it into his one page synopsis with 15 pt. type; but the “war” has already been lost and was well before he strapped into his codpiece of accomplishment suit three years ago. I was listening to Stephanie Miller this morning, she had a litany of James Baker quotes circa 1996 making an apologetic case about how idiotic it would have been to take Desert Storm on to Baghdad. No one told Cheney.
ReneND @ 9
Hitler did the same thing in the decaying days of the Reich. He always went back to his core support among the Gauleiters and the ‘Old Fighters’.
Excuse me. something went wrong with the post. I was commenting on the point about Bush playing now only to his base.
Thanks biodun for that quote:
I really hate to bring in the Hitler thing but by this reasoning if Hitler had called concentration camps vacation retreats Dana Priest would be OK with that. This is yet another example of “professionals” refusing to act with any degree of professionalism. Priest can’t call it a civil war because, gosh darn, that mean, mean Mr. Maliki won’t let her. This is the kind of thinking that gives me a headache. Is it really so much to ask that the Dana Priests of this world just do their job instead of spending all their time and energy defending why they aren’t?
Tomgram: Elizabeth de la Vega, Bringing Bush to Court
Keep in mind, I’ve run Tomdispatch.com for only a few years, but I’ve been a book editor in mainstream publishing for over 30 years. Sometime last spring, I was on the phone with former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega talking about books she might someday write, when she suddenly said to me, “You know what I’d like to do?” When I asked what, she replied, “What I’ve done all my life.”
“What’s that,” I wondered innocently enough.
“I’d like to draft an indictment of President Bush and his senior aides, and present the case for prewar intelligence fraud to a grand jury, just as if it were an actual case of mine, using the evidence we already have in the public record. That’s the book I’d like to do.”