
Can we stop calling them "Christians" yet?
The Florida pastor recently tapped to lead the Christian Coalition of America resigned his position in a dispute about conservative philosophy - more than a month before he was to fully assume his post, he said this week.The Rev. Joel Hunter, of Northland, A Church Distributed, in Longwood, Fla., said he quit as president-elect of the group founded by evangelist Pat Robertson because he realized he would be unable to broaden the organization's agenda beyond opposing abortion and same-sex marriage.
He hoped to include issues such as easing poverty and saving the environment.
"These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," Hunter said.
Oh, Rev. Hunter, didn't you get the memo? Christ and his teachings have NO PLACE in the modern Tablibangelical mega-mega-church movement! What the hell are you thinking? Money only flows ONE WAY in the modern chuch and that's IN not OUT! Gawd, get it right!
The resignation took place Tuesday during an organization board meeting. Hunter said he was not asked to leave.
"They pretty much said, "These issues are fine, but they're not our issues; that's not our base,' " Hunter said. A statement issued by the coalition said Hunter resigned because of "differences in philosophy and vision." The organization, headed by President Roberta Combs, claims a mailing list of 2.5 million.
Hunter's move signals more tumult for a group that has fallen on hard times. Members have complained the coalition's agenda has become too liberal and diffuse.
Hunter hoped to revive the group by expanding its agenda to include what he called "compassion issues." He also planned to teach evangelicals how to "vote with their life," or integrate and apply their Christian values to public life.
BWAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAA!! You poor, silly man. Don't you understand that the "Culture of Life" means bombing abortion clinics, bashing gays, and calling for the wholesale persecution and harassment of people who don't share your religious views? In fact, nowhere is the radical Christian agenda being carried out with more zeal and aplomb than in Baghdad. KILL ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE AS YOU BELIEVE!! TORTURE THEM IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!! SET THEM ON FIIIIIIIIRE!! We don't need no steenkin' love and tolerance!! We're CHRISTIANS!! WE MUST KILL!! KILL!! KIIIIILLLLL!!! Purveyors of Evangelical Christianity could apparently give two shits about what Jesus actually said, i.e., Love thy neighbor, minister to the poor and powerless, provide aid to the sick and comfort to the dying, and teach your children to respect others and glorify God in everything they do. That particular part of the message must have gotten cut off on Pat Robertson's official fax of the Mission Statement from the offices of God, Inc. These people can't be bothered with the poor and sick when people are OUT THERE HAVING SEX WITH EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW AND ACTUALLY ENJOYING IT!! We've got to get our hatin' on! Times a-wastin'! There's no time to worry about the environment when clearly the Church has a mandate to meddle in the affairs of state as much as it can! What the fuck are you thinking, Reverend Hunter?! Our children are being taught actual SCIENCE in school! We can't have that!! We've got to stop their impressionable young minds before they learn to think critically! This is AMERICA, where people don't THINK! They just BELIEVE!! We have to have faith, faith that George Bush is a good man whose decisions are inspired by God! Faith that the world will end in the Rapture before we gotta worry about any of that climate-change hooey!! GET YOUR FUCKING PRIORITIES STRAIGHT, HUNTER! YOU'RE FIRED!! I can take some comfort in the fact that this perversion of true Christianity is not a modern invention. I'm reading Charles Dickens's The Pickwick Papers right now, and took particular notice of this from the preface to the 1867 edition:
But it is never out of season to protest against that coarse familiarity with sacred things which is so busy on the lip, and idle in the heart; or against the confounding of Christianity with any class of persons who, in the words of Swift, have just enough religion to make them hate, and not enough to make them love, one another.
"Busy on the lip and idle in the heart." If any phrase more accurately describes the woeful state of modern American "Christianity", then I don't know what it is. So, as I was saying at the outset of this post, can we please stop calling these people Christians? Can we call them Falwellians? Robertsonians? Or maybe we should just stick with "Talibangelicals". It just says so much, doesn't it? And while we're on the subject, isn't it about time that these "religious" organizations start paying taxes? If they want a seat at the policy-making table, they're going to have to contribute to their upkeep. Cough it up, Pat Robertson, oh, you of the diamond mines and offshore accounts. It's time to render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and that means TAXES, bitchez! I think it's time you started giving a little something back to the nation that has so heedlessly allowed you to run your fat, hatin' mouth with impunity for so many years. Persecute a "Christian" today! It's what Jesus would really want. Trust me on this one. He's a friend of mine from way back.
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TREX!
OOh, did I get a 0? In case I did I’ll clue my favorite theropod into this, which is WAAAY up his line of country…
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/3427
You just can’t make this stuff up…
So, have you ever gone to this particular theme park, TRex??
Late night goodness!
Jesus!
Christianity is a great religion. I wish someone would put it in place somewhere.
klyde @ 5
Well, part of the problem is most of the people who really try to do that wind up in soft, padded rooms in big hospitals… They MUST be delusional, right???
Connecticut Bob @
4
I woke up this morning hearing His name called outside my window repeatedly followed by loud thumping and a strange hum. Just when I thought “THIS IS IT! JESUS IS AN ALIEN COME TO TAKE ME IN A SPACESHIP!” I looked outside and saw a crew of Hispanic men with an air compressor and nail guns putting a new roof on my neighbor’s house.
Oh have fun with Pickwick! One of Dicken’s absolute best. And that quote from the preface is brilliant; but anything which alludes to Swift is brilliant, of course.
And what to call these poor folk, this sorry lot of haters? Well, historically they’ve been refered to as Pharisees
Thank you, TRex.
When Rethugs use “San Francisco values” as the shiny scary object, I see American refugees: young men and women driven out of their classrooms, homes, and communities simply for their neurophysiology.
The queer sons and daughters of America - refugees from the Hate Preachers’ jihad on caring families.
Here in SF, we help them find the home the Hate Preachers destroyed.
San Francisco values:
We take care of the sons and daughters the Hate Preachers tell you to sacrifice.
I guess those are the opposite of Ted Haggard values? Or not?
It’s okay to use meth and get fucked by gay hookers, as long as you’re sorry afterward and don’t get divorced!
Right?
Thank you, TRex, for the great diary.
I’ve had a whole lotta personal experience with the fundies… And unfortuantely, my mom is still in one of the fundie megachurches. it just scares me how they can get all these folks to believe their perverted version of Jesus’ teachings. Nope, we shouldn’t care about being good stewards of the earth, or about helping those who cannot help themselves…
But golly gee whiz, we better make sure those Sodomites don’t destroy our “culture of life”!
“-and pretty soon there won’t be no streets,
For dummies to jog on,
Or doggies to dog on,
Religious fanatics can make it be all gone,
I mean it won’t blow up or disappear,
It’ll just look ugly for a thousand years.”
-Frank Zappa, “The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing”
TRex @ 10
And be certain to apply studio make-up before spontaneous spiritual epiphanies.
Great rant. You go, therapod.
Great picture too. Where’d it come from?
kirk murphy @ 9
Hi again, kirk! Well, I can tell you that it’s no fun trying to come out of the closet in Fundieworld… As soon as I tried to talk with my mom about it, she thought that it would “help” if I got “counseling” from a pastor… He tried to put me back on the road of the “straight and narrow”, but it never worked.
I know that there are so many others suffering in silence… It just frustrates me how these few fundies can destroy the lives of so many closeted queers by forcing them to stay in their closets of silence.
Most beautiful string orchestra piece EVAAAAR currently up at Crooks and Liars!
Rhambo has a yellow tie on. (Mary? was that you with the yellow tie theory?)
Jon asked him why Carville after the dem win was looking for a scapegoat.
The original “busy of lip, idle of heart”, Matthew 6:5-6 :
atdnext @ 16
Hi adtnext -
I wish a different world for you and all our LGBT fellow humans.
Great stuff TRex… The political machinations of the religious right is to me, one of the most corrosive influences on American Politics. NOW did a great 10 minute documentary segment on it a few years back. Definitely worth a watch.
The departure of Joel Hunter is a chapter in a murky drama that I am starting to research.
His views were known before they selected him. Why would he suddenly be frogmarched? Did the board membership shift? Was it a new donor who needed them to stay committed to the dominical teachings (sadly omitted and forgotten in the New Testament)on abortion and gay marriage?
Why did they zig then zag?
There’s a story there. And it’s gonna be about money and power. But whose?
kirk murphy @ 20
So do I. I hope this year was the start of making that happen. : )
If you watched Capitol Crimes, the PBS special about Jack Abramoff, I was sure I heard that the Christian Coalition didn’t have nearly that many members. Apparently, Ralph Reed was conning Jacko and touting churches that had never had any relationship with the CC. I remember seeing at least one pastor on camera who claimed this, and (crap, I can’t remember the journalist’s name) said that others were contacted who said the same thing. Eh. It’s another way to launder money, I suppose…along with hoaxing the yok…er…base.
Alison @ 22
Oh there’s some sordid secret there, to be sure; but, there always is with these zealots. Always and forever they have been hiding, obfuscating, looking through a glass darkly. The Secret Gospel of Mark is a prime example:
Alison @ 22
IIRC the CC is deep in financial trouble. Their membership I think is down to 4 state affiliates and they are the hard core wing nuts. They are on the way down following in the footsteps of the Moral Majority.
These folks are not about religion. They are about power and money like you said. Ralph Reed et al set it up for their own political aims. Real people of faith have no interest in such organizations.
Shhhhhhhh!
I was only a few million years old back then, hence the sobriquet, “youth”, but yes, JC taught me the mystery of the Kingdom of God…and it was, uh, divine.
Most excellent, TRex.
Unless . . . maybe Jesus was speaking all that drivel about love and forgiveness and tolerance and mercy on Opposite Day.
For sure, the Talibangelicals are preaching the opposite of what Jesus taught.
So who you gonna believe?
johnSwifty @ 8
I’m just a little over halfway done with Pickwick. Sam Weller is the best character ever!
TRex @ 27
That reminds me of a joke, the punch line ends something like, “He told you it was the Key to Heaven? He told me it was Gabriel’s Horn and I’ve been blowing it every Monday, Wednesday and Friday.”
TRex @ 27
Ooooh? How devine was that?! Well, I was taught in Sunday School that “God is Love”… ; )
We had a visit from Fred Phelps and the God Hates Fags crew just this last Friday here in Huntsville, Alabama. They were in town to protest at the funerals of…..
…..Two African American teenage girls who were killed in a tragic school bus accident. They had signs with pictures of the girls, saying “Jane Doe, Now in Hell for 5 days” and other such trash. Lovely, eh?
Gay issues and abortion are nothing but hot-button, high entertainment value issues that permit “Christians” to become distracted from the tough, gritty, difficult work that Jesus prescribed.
BWAAAA-HAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAA!!!
Alison @ 22
Hmmm…hopefully they are having in-fighting and the organization will spontaneously combust if they keep on the path of going against Jesus’ teachings.
That will show ‘em…I’m just saying.
I don’t want to tax them but religion should never be offered or allowed a chair at a public policy table.
Another TRex-o-licious post! Bravo!
montysano @ 32
WTF?
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 7
Were any of them named “Jesus”?
This is significant, actually…tomorrow we’re getting a new roof put on our house. This HAS to be a sign from the Almighty! I just KNOW it!
OT: Joe Biden (D-Corporate Shill) has decided to play the bigot card.
Biden claims to want to punish American corporations who hire illegal immigrants–but we all know what a maverick advocate of corporate citizenship he is. On top of his steaming pile of vitriol against Mexico (little of which couldn’t be turned back at the U.S.), any such claim isn’t worth much.
No truth to the rumour that Ted Haggard will have Teh Gay tweaked out of him?
MsAnnaNOLA @ 35:
Phelps and his crew believe that all manner of bad things, from school bus accidents to the deaths of soldiers in Iraq, are evidence of God’s anger over America becoming a Fag Enabling Nation. “God is not mocked”, they say, and everywhere they look they’re able to discern signs of His displeasure.
Yeah…I know….it’s crazy.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 35
Why not tax them? Hell yes, tax ‘em up. As soon as they cross the very broad line from charitable organization to political sponsorship, tax the hell out of them.
Now, as soon as I say that, I’m reminding myself of the very crucial role the church plays in empowering African American communities. Without that sort of strong central rallying point, the civil rights movements might never have gotten off the ground.
But surely there are some rules, some guidelines that these Pharisees have transgressed?
I think we should call these folks Old Testament Calvinists.
It would be accurate. And would have the advantage of making these folks defend themselves.
Lovely diary up at Kos right now.
It refers to This American Life episode about Reverend Carlton Pearson of Tulsa, OK, who got into big trouble becuae he was converted from a gospel of hate to a gospel of inclusion.
You need to search for the podcast once you get to the site.
People punished him for preaching that God loved everyone. Sounds like a lovely podcast.
Maybe I’ll download it before I go to sleep. G’night, folks!
techno @ 42
Wouldn’t work, Calvin knew you were going to say that.
Alison @ 42
I highly recommend that episode.
techno @ 42
How about Old Testament Calvin-ballists? Or Calvin-Ballasts?
Moving (or sinking) the GoalPosts of their Lord daily, in a heterosexual and tax-exempt way of course.
montysano @
31
Gene Robinson:
TRex >
Something, I would suggest, for the second 100 hours of the new Democratic House of Representatives
Yoo Hoo Grandma Speaker, we have an agenda item for you !
“We have enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.” - Jonathan Swift
Yes but can you imagine the look on Jerry Falwell’s face if he was told on TV that he wasn’t going to be called a Christian because it was inaccurate?
Calvin might have known, but JF does not.
Must sleep. But, before I go, Trex, you needn’t worry just yet. Sam’s adventures continue in Master Humphrey’s Clock!
Peace, friends. Out, here.
I really like Talbangelicals very cool.
I really hate what has become of this countrylately. from racism, to hate the gays to hate everyone not you. why? what has happened to this society? We have people who advocate torture while giving a fudgepop to thier child. Claim values while cheating someone. Feeling it okay to say in public racist comments (I’m not talking about the famous incidents but, everyday). It seemed 15 years ago we were so much more advanced and then took several giant steps back.
Jesse Jackson ran for president, Cosby was the #1 program (as he himself pointed out today) and now nothing.
We have caricatures of different types of people.
We also have people who believe they are christains and right and hate. We have people believe on one hand it’s right we Brought freedom to those poor iraqis and in the same breath curse those muslim people there for being ungrateful.
Modern day Religion brought alot of it when it sold it’s soul to the gop and they made a true pact with the devil.
I said somewhere else that we lost our compassion and understanding on the way to iraq and hoped someone would one day find it, return it so we can be Americans again.
Once the line is crossed it sounds like a good place for severe fines and other penalties. Taxation sounds like an acceptance of the behavior with no end anticipated.
Back in a bit, gang. Going to the grocery store.
Don’t feed the trolls!
All we need is love.
PSST
The people who stole the country also stole the church, BTW.
We want the church back, too.
Pass it on.
Alison @ 43
I’m listening to the show right now…
Thanks for tipping us to the program! : )
it was back in the early eighties that i noticed certain preachers who started making a big deal about how it was ok to be rich. that being rich was a sign you had been blessed by God. i thought, what’s up with that? it bothered me, but i didn’t forsee the ramifications, how this was a harbinger of things to come. little wonder that this phenomena blossomed in tandem with the Reagan years…..
Bravo TRex!
The more you believe in a cause, the better you sound. You certainly laid bare the Talibangelicals homophobia but what impressed me most is that you took issue with their credibility - they really don’t deserve to be called Christians.
What I have most trouble with comprehending is that people deliberately chose to be ignorant. To me, it is a sign of accomplishment to have a high IQ. They seem to shun intelligence. At least that makes them in sync with the brainpower at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
EvilDrPuma @ 38
Fuck Joe - he flacked for NAFTA.
Rural Mexico depended on corn (maize).
Corn (maize) originated in central america.
Very small-scale maize farming was the basis of life in much of Mexico.
NAFTA forced Cargill’s surplus maize - subsidized by Dept of Ag programs designed for family farmers, but loong ago stolen by corporate ag - down the throat of rural Mexico.
US ag commodity imports decimated Mexican local economies, FORCING the mega-economic migration pious Joe attacks.
Fucking incompetent hypocrite.
Can there be a Constitutional amendment that anyone with a birthname including “Biden” could never be President - or even the bucket of warm spit?
[shameless blogwhoring]
My love note to Joe Biden
[/shameless blogwhoring off]
I keep telling you guys about the Institute on Religion and Democracy. They were founded to take care of the emerging progressives in the churches. They were supposed to provide support for the contras and take away the US Christian suport for the Sandinistas, which was rising.
They had the same donors, board and offices as the American Enterprise Institute.
This was the 80’s. They continue to blast away for right wing causes and work to destabilize liberal protestantism.
That’s when the phenomenon started that fahrender@56 noticed . It was all about a religious smoke machine for Iran Contragate.
TRex, That’s incredibly lovely music. Thanks.
And thanks for the post. Especially the Dickens. I haven’t read that book in years, but he never seems to lose his relevance.
kirk murphy @ 58
I prefer to save such extreme measures for preventing any more members of the Bush family from holding that office.
Don’t suppose there’s a way we could have members of that family neutered is there?
fahrender @ 57
Jim and Tammy Bakker were big on that, and W.A. Criswell, the pastor of the First Street Baptist Church in Dallas may have been one of the first mainstream preachers to advocate it (the general justification was that “God wants you to be happy”). In fact, Criswell’s church used to have courses in how to make even more money (he must have had one of the most affluent congregations in the south).
But, this goes right back to the notion of the elect. If you’re poor, God hates you, and there’s not a thing you can do about it–it’s all been predetermined, and there’s not much point in trying to help you, either. Better to support the community that’s going to heaven. You’re poor, you’re toast. If you have money, well, God’s showered you with blessings because of who you are.
The psychology of it is bizarrely attractive to least Christian of souls….
State of Belief did a show on that “War on mainline denominations”, with some focus on the Institute on Religion and Democracy. Transcript here.
An nice quote from Australian blogger Mr Lefty..
” (if)you reckon Jesus cared more about the things he didn’t actually ever talk about - gays, abortion etc - than the things he did repeatedly - helping the poor etc)please vote for Fundamentalists First. (”Bring Australia into the 14th Century!”
Helping the poor was number one on the hit parade for Jesus, and something dear to his thorny heart. This message is a little difficult for conservative evangelists to deliver seeing as how according to their ‘modern’ interpretation of Jesus’ words, most of the new testament is a foolproof plan to make you wealthy beyond the dreams of Croesus.
Alison @ 61
So the right wing folks even used a “think tank” to co-opt the churches?
Incredible description of a complex issue!!!
Sara Robinson had an interesting and somewhat hopeful take on the Hunter/Christian Coalition split over at Orcinus.
And yes, most of the Christians I know don’t consider these people Christians. I tend to call them “Kreeestians,” myself, though I also think “Christianists” is quite accurate.
Connecticut Bob @ 37
Well I now realize the guy they were yelling at’s name was Jesus as in “heysoos” but it certainly made for an interesting start to a Monday morning after Thanksgiving weekend.
I hope you know the nuts ahead of this church are Al Gore supporters.
Apparently peace is no longer a representation of the Christian values which are celebrated with the holiday either
fahrender @ 57
Let it be written, and drawn: The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus
montysano @ 39
Well, it’s highly likely that the existence of the Phelps Phungi is one of the “bad things” that has befallen this country, so God must be mad at us about SOMETHING!
Alison @ 61
From the front page of their (IRD) web site.
heh
atdnext @ 66
Still doing it. I think we might describe a lot of them that way. Reed was a master of it, but there are others!
Hey guys, I have to live with these dustmites on the soles of humanity polluting the air day in and day out in my hometown of Greenville, SC. There’s only one thing you can say to them that will get their..uh..goats. I promise, nothing else penetrates their craniums. Fill in your own blank, I choose -
Bob Jones and all Bob Jones Alumni are going STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Go. Have at it. Enjoy. Spread The Words.
Demokat
fahrender@56
Great observation but historically, this was Calvin’s “great” contribution to Christianity. Before Calvin, Christianity TAUGHT that Christ had a preferential option for the poor. (Practice was another matter.) Calvin created a Christianity that glorified the rich.
Interestingly, the left wing of the Protestant Reformation (the Anabaptists who are the modern Mennonites) and the center (the Lutherans) have had almost NO cultural impact on USA. The Calvinist / Puritans have run the place since Cotton Mather.
As someone raised in the Swedish Lutheran church and educated by Mennonites, I have long wondered how my Calvinist “brethren” could be SO confused. The high-brow Calvinists gave us the Vietnam War, Harvard, NAFTA, the CIA, and other abominations too numerous to mention. The low-brow Calvinists are still arguing about Darwin and obsessed by the notion that being uptight about sex equals morality.
“Thank God for Sept. 11″? that’s some twisted shit…
Sorry, the underline disappeared indicating the blank you can fill in, tho you’re bright enuff to figure it out I’m sure.
Bob Jones and all Bob Jones Alumni are going STRAIGHT TO HELL!!
Oh, and sorry for the shameless blogwhoring, tho I prefer blogpimping. More empowering that way.
Dook! Giving up on the underline.
Demokat @
76
That gets their attention? I would think they’d just dismiss that as hatred.
M’self, I think Bob Jones will spend all eternity as Satan’s personal cocksucker….
Well, if anyone would recognize hatred, they would. But, usually it sends them off sputtering.
I’m pretty sure Bob Jones is already doing the Satan sucking while the Republicans are crammed up under his desk reciprocating in turn.
punaise @ 78
Well, not much different than Falwell saying that God had lifted his veil of protection for the country because of homosexshuls… this is just more in your face.
I wonder if they’ll be picketing Phelps’ funeral when he goes toes up….
punaise @ 78
They believe it was God punishing America for tolerating *fags* (as if it did).
God hates nothing that he has created or his work is shoddy. Perhaps our job is to interact with each other in disgrage & disagree in a way which generates minimal violence and antipathy. It’s either this mindset for me. or I’m swearing off hunanity firever nore.
OT, but I have to mention it while I remember — when I was out earlier, I heard a news item that Joe Lieberman’s pal Lanny Davis says he’s been briefed on the warrantless wiretapping program, and that the NSA has much more privacy protection than he thought, so it’s okay, really. I don’t see anything online about it, but it’ll probably be available by tomorrow.
Bastard. No, it’s not okay if they say they’re very carefully violating our rights with no oversight to determine if they’re telling the truth.
I confess to being more and more confused about Christianity these days. Bush and Limbaugh keep spouting off about how liberty and democracy are God’s gifts to the world. They are? I don’t recall seeing any such political theory in the Bible. In fact, the Bible makes God out to be an all-powerful (albeit benevolent) dictator. (Or perhaps an oligarchy of three, depending on your view of the Holy Trinity.) There was never a vote on the Ten Commandments, for example. And Moses’s initial veto was immediately overridden. Slavery was a-okay in the Bible. Where’s the “liberty” there?
I just now watched Jimmy Carter on Larry King Live talking about his new bood: “Palestine, Peace not Aparteid.”
For anyone whose input on the mideast comes fromthe MSM, this interview will be an eye-opener.
techno @ 68
Thanks, techno, but I don’t really deserve your kind comments.
I just talk too much.
So many great writers and thinkers look at the complex health/human/economic impacts of the massive subsidies to the corporate farm/pesticide/pharma lobbies.
And the immense trillions of infrastructure investments (think Corp$ of EngineerS) require to move large amounts of massively subsdized bulk ag commodities down the Mississipi and out to export.
Each load is another piece of American topsoil lost forever - and we taxpayers subsidized the give away.
US troops died for oil for the pesticides, fuels, and resultant global warming.
Let’s not forget the observed increased rates of cancer and infectious disease associated with the toxins and warming.
Our reward?
An ever expanding “Dead Zone” in the Gulf of Mexico - result of ag runoff from our taxpayer subsidized corporate megafarms.
The Dead Zone helps nuke small scale independent fishing - the sort of work that sustained Gulf Coast communities for generations.
Ecologists’ concerns about the destruction of deep-rooted communities were dismissed as “radical” - standard libel for those conserving communities.
Conservatives aren’t into conserving communities.
That’s too radical.
TRex — once again you hit the nail on the head! God,I love you for it!!! This is near and dear to my little heart.
For many years, no — decades — I have likened our growing “christian” (so without) culture as The Pharisees we were warned of in the New Testament. Now, thanks to Tristero originally, and now more recently, Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald, a better defined description of “Christianist” is available. Not one who truly emulates Christ; but someone who has a political agenda based on their personal religious views; and feels justified in trying to make it the law of the land by any means neccessary.
Recently, those who belong to this class are aghast that they have been outed as……not really Christian after all, but are held up in stark contrast to traditional values (see Glenn this past weekend). The uproar is growing among their ranks at the realization that their behaviors are held up against traditional values, and are found wanting. Oh, the vile accusations that spew from these corners…..ad hominem attacks, strawmen, and just plain lies.
So, with that in mind, may I submit the suggestion that we take for ourselves, and use the mantle of anti-Christianist or anti-Xianist. Putting it another way: No longer should we refer to this ilk as anything except: Chistianist or Xianist (my preference).
I, jcricket, am an Anti-Xianist. I believe the words and works of Jesus and humble Christians are benevolent, good and godly. I also believe that the words and works of today’s American Xianist are not in the same class/vein as Traditional Christianity, and I REFUSE to dignify it by calling it anything other than what it is: Xianist.
And really, what has any Xianist been able to present in a constructive manner, anywhwere?
neurophius @ 84
Maybe it was God punsihing America for giving them tax exempt status, and letting them get away with sullying the good name of God and Christ with so much as a distant connection…..
Frank Probst @ 88
Frank Probst, neither of those thugs evince awareness - much less comprehension - of Christ’s teachings.
The Jesus I know ( and have susequently lost interest in) had nothing bad to say about the sins of the disposossed. His attention seemed to be rivetted on the status quo and the barriers they created for the ordinary man and woman to seek their God. This he had no patience for and worked tirelessly andemphatically to change. Can I get a witness?
kirk murphy @
89
But who in this society is paid to think about long-term issues?
as an “eyes glaze over when it comes to talking religion” secular humanist, I’ll just be sitting in the corner on this one… :~)
jcricket @ 91
“them” being the Xianista, of course. Oh. I LIKE that: Xianista!! Obviously, the typo is a gift from God: Xianista. Xianiata.
Got a good ring to it.
Actually, if you want to gag (as well as turn white with fear, I hope), check out http://battlecry.com/
“Battle Cry” is the new face of christofacism in America today. Admire the blatently fascist imagery, and the overtly militaristic metaphors… A brownshirt Hitler Youth for the new era (literally). These guys fill entire football stadiums with screaming teens, in the “red zone.” This is the army they plan to send to drag us away in the night, one day :)
On the bright side, I heard they had to dump
one of their board members (the gay meth mouth from Colorado) very quickly a few weeks ago…
TRex, WRT “Busy on the lip and idle in the heart.”
the Brits call them “God-Botherers”.
Great epithet, eh?
Rushton @ 93
Amen!!
Go on, testify!
TRex @
44
could it be any better than the squirrel and NJ cops episode?
I think we should start a national movement to join the Christian Coalition and start attending all their meetings and demanding to know why they (we?) aren’t helping the poor like Jesus and Rev. Hunter said?
jcricket @ 91
My response is likely gratuitous.
This community is really fucking smart, and I am a really slow typist, but I hate crappy/troll strategy suicide.
The definition above is religious bigotry.
Quoting an idiot and two other names doth not an operant definition make, so the term “Xstian” has no objectifiable meaning.
As used, the term could mean every Christian in America.
A great distortion to discredit FDL - and a blatant lie.
Many fine Christians participate here.
High school debate tricks don’t work well.
The Young Rethugs fall for ‘em; we don’t.
Nice try, shit for brains.
Now go get the meth plowed in you by your man-toy.
And when you vote for hate laws - just don’t look in the mirror.
You need your closets real small.
“Court Clears Way for Prosecutor to Review Records in Times Case
The United States Supreme Court refused yesterday to stop a federal prosecutor from reviewing the telephone records of two reporters for The New York Times. The records, the newspaper said, include information about many of the reporters’ confidential sources.
In a one-sentence order offering no reasoning and noting no dissenting votes, the Supreme Court rejected a request from The Times to stay a lower court’s decision while the paper tried to persuade the justices to review the case.
Yesterday’s order effectively allows the United States attorney in Chicago, Patrick J. Fitzgerald, to begin reviewing the records, which he has already obtained from the reporters’ phone companies, as early as this week”…….
http://tinyurl.com/y8cz4t
My apologies if this has already been posted
techno @ 77,
I’ve had some very good experiences with Mennonites here in Ohio. They really do let their light shine.
Whoa, whoa, kirk, easy now.
I don’t think jcricket meant that like you think he did.
Dammit.
There goes everybody.
Swell party, Trex!
Oh, you like this? I made it myself.
Oh, hello, hello, so glad you could come…
Joining secular humanists in the naise corner.
Fine.
I’m going to go fix myself something to eat and read The Pickwick Papers.
G’night!
TRex @ 106
I humbly and sincerely apologize to jcricket and the lake for my misperception and my comment.
My bad - I totally misunderstood, but my mistake does not excuse my error.
Again, i apologize for my rudeness.
Blub @ 97
kirk murphy @ 102
Kirk:
Wow.
#1. While I do not post frequently, (probably the reason for your lack of familiarity and why you just jumped off the 50th floor) I am not a troll. Got my liberal bonafides legitimately. Sorry to disappoint.
#2. Been around this country for 5 DECADES and can witness to the religious right’s political hijacking of “christianity”.
#3 Am a Christian myself, who ABHORS what is being done to fellow humans in my name.
#4 Forgive you for your mistake and your jumping to an erroneous and (what I find to be) a strangely angry response.
#5 Reassert my expression to call a spade a spade by using the term: Xianist whenever Christianity is being hijacked by the political right for their own purposes.
#6 Peace. Out.
kirk murphy, your good intentions are never doubted in this corner. musta been the tone that threw you off (or rather, the lack thereof, as tone is such a fleeting thing to express online). take a mulligan.
Thank you, boys.
Can we shake hands now?
hey, we can all just get along….
Blub @
97
Ouch! Christian soldiers gone wild. Order the video now.
I humbly submit the more accurate term “Christian-ish” for the description of the fundies. They take the words of Christ (sort of) and twist and distort them to a Christ-ish kind of phrasing to justify their hideous fascist theocracy tendencies. More Christian-ish than even Christianist.
jcricket, thanks for your forgiveness.
i hope to live up to your example.
thanks also for calling me on my inappropriate anger.
i am not leaving what i hear about this at clinic at work - and that is my mistake.
i will (try) not (to) bring that here again: it is hurtful, and i apologize to the lake for having done so.
(and lack of caps ain’t ee cummings or typographic contrition: just one handed “cat-blogging”)
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 115
Christian-ishtar
Those fake Christians make me wish there really *would* be a rapture. Just so I could see their slack-jawed surprise when they got “left behind”.
I always thought Ishtar had an undeserved stinky rep to it. I laughed my ass off at some of the scenes in that movie. The night the Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty characters meet and spend the night singing bad song after bad song was one of the funnier scenes I’ve seen in film. Musicians I know find that scene far funnier than most non musicians I know because there is a bit of an inside joke going on with that scene you kind of have to be a musician to get.
NWO uses fallwells and robertsen’s deliberately vile statements in a targeted effort to make people hate Christianity. Watchman.com
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1913.cfm
ENRAGING 1.4 BILLION WORLDWIDE MUSLIMS — “BLOOD IN THE STREETS” STRATEGY — Part 1 - Sexual Abuse and Specific Humiliation of Iraqi Prisoners May 6, 2004
Subtitle: When American and British forces sexually abused Iraqi prisoners of war, they were directly targeting one of the most sensitive areas of Islamic religion! The manner in which our sexual abuse and humiliation occurred was even more important than the fact that sexual abuse did occur.
“Truth is not what is; truth is what people perceive it to be” - Adolf Hitler, Master Propagandist
If you have not yet read NEWS1631, “Blood In The Streets” Strategy, please stop right now to read it, for this article will not make sense to you until you understand the precepts contained within this previous article. This strategy calls for a military force possessing the huge technological advantage to provoke the other side into a military conflict. Once the all-out conflict is under way, the military force possessing the huge advantage can easily destroy the other side without suffering significant casualties.
If our premise is correct, we postulated in March, 2002, then we should see attempts on the part of the United States and Great Britain to so alienate and enrage Muslims throughout the world that we provoke Islamic country after country into attacking us. Thus, we felt in March, 2002, that we would be taking steps in this Iraq conflict to stimulate the kind of anger, rage, and hatred which would drive these countries to war.
Is this strategy being followed? You can be the judge after carefully reading the following news stories.
“Torture Chambers and Rape Rooms”
Some Bush supporters are already trying to defend him by saying that, even if the abuse allegations are correct, we must remember that similar abuse by Saddam’s men was much, much greater; therefore, the Iraqis are still better off with us controlling them rather than Saddam. This thinking is totally fallacious for the following reasons.
1. Moral high ground demands perfection, at least as close to perfection as human organizations can achieve
2. Once you lose moral high ground, you are seen as little better than the “bad guy”
3. This investigation is ongoing, and the abuse seems to be spreading. Already, some news stories are talking about similar abuses in Afghanistan. Therefore, we do not yet know for certain that this type of abuse is limited to just a “handful”. Further, credible organizations are now stepping forward, saying they have heard stories of such type of abuse from the very beginning of our occupation. If Amnesty International and the International Red Cross knew of our abuses, you have to understand that our intelligence apparatus and our political leadership were also aware.
4. If you know military Command and Control, you will realize that this type of behavior could not possibly have occurred without official support far up the line.
kirk murphy @ 115
Dear gawd, if you live uo to my example then we are all in a world of hurt!!!!
I’m a cat person myself and also happen to have at his very moment a feline personage halfway strewn across the keyboard. Karma.
No hard feelings. Every once in a while, we all need someone to give us a little room for stuff that just shows up out of nowhere. The catch is…….one day, you will have to give someone else that room. That too, is Karma. And that too is how it works.
Peace. Serious.
There is no oversight on where “faith based tax dollars” go but if you travel around the South and West, you will see your tax dollars at work. The amount of new construction on the fundie infrastructure is amazing. It’s unusual to see new construction with “main-stream” names. With the fundie churches, it’s a new church, family life center, gyms, etc. With them, it’s the whole family seven days a week.
My GF went to a school function for her niece at a school associated with a mega-church. The church, BTW, has eleven full sized basketball courts, a food court, and other stuff in the family life center. My GF,who is getting more politically aware, was rather disturbed when the people stood and said a pledge of allegiance to the christian flag and then to the bible. These people are probably the biggest threat to our form of government. I’m waiting for “Jesus Camp” to come out on DVD, so I can send it to a lot of friends.
I’m having a little trouble getting aboard the “Cheney set to retire” bandwagon. they’ll have to pry his cold hands from the levers of power.
Actually,IMO, these Christofascists aren’t Christians in the traditional sense. They’re millenialists, with a radical interpretation of scripture far beyond the fringes of mainline catechism, drawing from sources of faith outside of the Bible and the accepted bodies of interpretive documentation. They have a perverse (and, I believe, blasphemous) belief that mere faith is an insufficient path to salavtion and that they need to actively “act” for God to bring about the second coming. If that means starting wars and killing people then so be it.
This perverse set of beliefs lends itself to their being used, either consciously or unconsciously, to achieve purely secular political objectives. Hopefully, some of them are rethinking all of this now that their Dear Leader is manifestly delusional, but I wouldn’t count on it.
So Steve, am I jumping to conclusions to think that the “faith based tax dollars” are NOT helping rebuild the Katrina ravaged part of the US? …now what makes me think that????
jcricket @ 122
Thank you. And blessings on you and your kitty - they enjoy a kind human.
May I share teh good news of the Oster “Equine” brush, as kindly shared by Valley Girl?
My kitties love it.
[PS - And TRex and and punaise - thanks for your generous responses to my nasty unforgiving comment.
May I share teh good news of the Oster “Equine” brush, as kindly shared by Valley Girl?
My kitties love it.
Cool dude!! Thanks!!! (As if these guys aren’t spoiled enough!!) :)
jcricket @ 128
Cool dude!! Thanks!!! (As if these guys aren’t spoiled enough!!) :)
Thanks to VG! I wouldn’t say more here, but there’s a warning: my kitties liked the first one so much they carried it off (for “nuzzles”), never to be seen again.
The second one lives up high - and is still here!
Have fun…. :)
punaise @ 123
“Okay, Ozdick, take your hands off those levers and back away from the console. Toto, frisk `im.”
“Should I stay or should I go?”
Yes.
via HuffPo:
punaise @ 129
WELCOME TO THE ARGENTINIDOME!!!
TWO TWINS ENTER!!
ONE TWIN LEAVES!!
Sorry, I had to peek back in for that one.
TRex @ 131
Well, one of `em has to stick around until the land sale is out of escrow….
WELCOME TO THE ARGENTINIDOME!!!
how gaucho:
“High in the custerdome”…
montag @ 131
Does anyone know whether Argentina would be a good refuge for a former president or vice president to flee if they were being charged with War Crimes???? Hey, it’s a legitimate question!!! ;)
I think those girls need to be drug-tested as an example to the young people of America. And if anything illegal turns up, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
jcricket, they’ve already bought a massive compound in Paraguay which doesn’t extradite to nations (like us) with the death penalty. They’re already planning their escape routes.
Back from the first rehearsal of my last Christmas Concert with my great band. I posted this before I left:
Gotta go. Out to start my war on the people who have declared there’s a “War on Christmas….”
My band might be the only state-affiliated college band in the NW which has a “Christmas” Concert. We had our fall concert last Monday, featuring secular concert music. Now we rehearse for two weeks on Christmas, Channukuh, and holiday stuff. We call it a “Christmas” concert.
This year:
Stille, Stille, Stille
Sleepers’ Awake
Ashley Reed’s great “Greensleeves”paraphrase
Hashana Bana Ah
Sleigh Ride
Fall concert features
TRex’s post about the wars of the Christians irked me until I fell in love with it. We all learn a little from time to time by our writing here, but TRex is the only lead poster who probably learns as much from his participation in the comment process as he does writing his cover essays. Together, the two multiply what he provides here.
I’m in awe……..
jcricket @ 134
Hey, it worked for all those Nazis fleeing Nuremberg, didn’t it? `Course, the government there then was a lot more tolerant of fascists than now. I think Uruguay’s still a safe bet, though, although the night life leaves something to be desired….
jc@125..In fact the mega-churches are black holes for dollars. This has caused friction in a “main steam” church, the Southern Baptists. The mega-Baptist churches contribute a very small percentage of income to traditional church activities, such as missionary efforts and social relief, as compared to the traditional church. I believe this friction lead to a “traditional” minister to be elected to head the organization. I think this was done at the Tulsa Ok convention where a Calf. mega-Church, rabid anti-homo-sex-ual minister was arrested for soliciting a blow-job from an under-cover cop.
I truly hope Howie Klein gets to track down Jenna and hang out with her while he’s there. GAWD if I could be a fly on the wall for THAT convo!
TRex @ 135
Are you serious? Have they really????????
LOL TRex
You really are something, you know that? What a blessing. Before you started posting, I hadn’t laughed so much or so hard in a longgg time.
jcricket @ 135
On a practical level, it worked for Eichmann for many years.
Cheney will have the details - on his altar.
Among the skulls and entrails.
another Zig-Tech Inc. project
I agree… ‘cept I think Clusterfuck needs to be given the opportunity to (illegally) cover up the scandal. Then, when the inevitable cover-up hits the papers, we’ll have lots and lots of supercalifragilistic fun. Especially when their pusher shows up in Gitmo… hey, a boy can hope.
TRex @
135
Now, here’s an hypothetical. If Bush were to be impeached and indicted, and then he went to hide out in Paraguay to avoid prosecution, would that make the United States a third-world country? :)
Steve @ 138
….this is all so…wrong. MegaChurches. I weep. There is no other expression. My only solice is that one day, truth will stamp out the hipocracy that is the combination of political ambition and the cloak of religion.
Weird. All of the links I had to that Paraguay story have been scrubbed.
Except en espanol.
TRex @ 147
Geez, TRex. This makes me wish I could do those spooky little whistle/tunes in the blogosphere……
ooooo weeeeee ooooooo
kirk murphy, lookat your ziggurat. It’s about to topple.
TRex @ 148
That’s probably the program for the next two years… scrubbing and shredding, shredding and scrubbing….
Here’s a link to a UK Guardian story about the ranch deal.
donde esta P4/4?
TRex @
148
pobre nino, dinogato. Su “link” es en Portuges……
montag @ 145
Dunno. Does Paraguay have a product that we can tariff the shit out of, should W or Deadeye find a hide-away there?
Pssst. C’mere. Gotta question, but shhhh. don’t spread it around.
Who was ghostman?
Where is ghostman?
Mommybrain @ 151
oops - i’m outside teh edit zone (too late).
my bad.
an anti-zed.
jcricket @ 148
If you go to this story at Wonkette about it, all the English language links are disabled.
I will leave that to more astute cyber-sleuths than myself to puzzle out. First one to email me google caches of those articles gets a kiss from Ned the Fighting Koi.
And now I really am going to bed.
Good night!
No more zigging for you tonight.
Jenna appears to be the point person in making the deals for “W” to have a “rat line” to Paraguay. She has allegedly met with the President of Paraguay and the US Amb. There is also talk that the current 98,000 acre purchased by the Bush crime family could be expanded to 200,000 acres.
BTW, me @139, the cop is a male.
Mommybrain @ 159
Walesa ’bout time you gave up Danzig in the streets
punaise @ 161
Lech we did last summer…
Mommybrain @ 160
sigh
guess i’ll have to be more straight forward
punaise @
161
I read through your twins’ take on the song from Lloyd-Weber’s musical six or seven times before I got it today.
He. If this scenario, as unbelievable as it is, actually transpires, we won’t want him to come back. If their president flees from justice to a country like Paraguay, his party would be history. It’ll take rethugs a hundred years to return to power, assuming the party even survives. A trial in the US would only exacerbate partisan rancor, and allow Republican leaders to re-position themselves as being against the criminal and for .. whatever the heck they’ll claim they stand for. They lose that bully pulpit if their president is an indicted fugitive.
jcricket @
155
Blub @ 165
Nah, McCain would run on a law `n order ticket. :) They always eat their own.
Blub @ 164
Seriously, once these pathological mental cases are out of position to hide and play shell games with what remains unshredded of the documents that prove their crimes against our Constitution and against all of humanity on an international level, we should do everything in our power to try to extradite them should they decide to hide behind international borders, that means using economic tariffs as a lever. No, this cricket is not delusional. It may come to who blinks first in an international showdown…..OR ……(this is so crass)….every thing is negotiable(???) With all that is known at this point (and 99% is below the surface), it may well be that should these folks be found guilty of international crimes, their assets may become forefeit …??? This might be motivation for assistance ??
Okay. This is pipe dreaming. But, if there are international law people out there, maybe there is something to grab onto…..
Ed*ard Teller @ 164
I aim for obscurity?
punaise @ 167
okay. i’ll bite. I don’t get it. help??/
punaise @ 168
Gee, that means you have something in common with Ron Silver. :)
jcricket @ 169
earlier today:
punaise @
36
(”Don’t Cry for Me, Argentina”, from the musical Evita)
TRex @ 136
Isreal grabbed Eichman off the streets of Argentina, took him back to Israel, and hung him. Why can’t Muslim countries grab those who commit crimes against members of their dominant religion?
Approve of one, approve of the other.
Umm, I think this is a hint about what Cheney wants to do, sooner than later, and before the CIA’s next NIEs on Iran and Iraq finish making the rounds for comment. “Senior intelligence official” could be just another guy in DoD manning the stovepipe valve from the MeK.
If Cheney is in Saudi Arabia, I wonder if he’s telling them they’ll soon be overrun by Shia infidels….
punaise @ 171
Man. I even read that earlier, and…..still didn’t make the connection. Okay. That’s it. Time for bed.
Everyone ~ The best of evenings to you all. The cats and I are headed upstairs. Tomorrow, cross your fingers that the streets are not too icey to drive into work.
What am I saying?????? PLEASE cross your fingers and toes that they will be TOO ICEY to drive into work and I will have no option but to stay home and sip coffee and blog……..
;)
bon soir, jcricket
Wigwam @ 172
Ahm thinkin’ that this is a valid and excellent point….
thanks, punaise.
Out for the night.
peace, all.
Steve >
GoogleEarth is your friend
I looked already & didn`t see much (it was a quick look I admit) but things certainly could be/have been “scrubbed”
“…This is not a game.” - Lorie Van Auken (2001.09.11 widow)
jcricket @
176
At the risk of a zig - didn’t the US grab some guys off the street, in Italy I think, and haul them off for rendition or Gitmo or something? I’m too tired to look it up, but it would be a fitting sort of justice.
jcricket @ 174
wish you warm and safe, jcricket.
hope you can stay home and cuddle with the cats.
You mean Jesus isn’t just a ‘Get out taking any responsibility’ for Free card?
Something for the morning crew: Newtie the human balloon now has a slogan for Iraq: “Victory or Death.”
Anyone wanna bet he’s talkin’ `bout somebody else dyin’?
You bet, remember he said Vietnam was “the wrong war at the wrong time in the wrong palcee” for HIM!
montag @ 182
TRex @
26
TRex,
You’ve seen the coming of the Lord! Does that mean you’re saved?
slainte,
cl
Good morning, pups. Today’s NYT columnists, from behind the firewall:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006.....amp;emc=th
Nicholas Kristof, “The Cowards Turned Out to Be Right.”
http://select.nytimes.com/2006.....amp;emc=th
Thomas Edsall, “Speed Bump at the Border.”
OK, I’ll see the TimesSelect and raise a , for later in the evening perusal no doubt. An appetizer:
‘Morning, FirePups.
Blecch…Thomas Friedman blathering on the Today Show.
What a f*cking useless tool. There is nothing he says that can be given any credence any longer; obviously, NBC needed somebody to fill the air time.
Good Morning, firepups,
It’s clear and pretty mild [for late November] here in central Jersey. Many thanks to Marion in Savannah for posting links to the NY Times op-eds–but be forewarned, Edsall has been driving progressives bonkers. Looking forward to Gail Collins as the house progressive at the Grey Lady. Kristof has been writing some great new pieces about Darfur, based on his most recent trip.
And we’re looking forward to the big game this weekend. Pace, Citizen Hardin Smith, but we’re hoping that Rutgers can work one more miracle this season and beat West Virginia, and get a terrific bowl bid. I normally ignore football at every level, but Rutgers is quite the Cinderella team this year, and this alum is really pleased.
And in another bit of NJ chauvinism, here’s hoping that Rush Holt [NJ-12] will be Madame Speaker’s compromise chair for the House Intelligence Committee. Jane Harman, as Mr. NJP explained to me over dinner last night, not only was for the war in Iraq, but has also supported warrantless wiretapping, believed there were WMD in Iraq, and is a House-sized version of Holy Joe. Rush would be a great Intell Committee chair, without the ethical taint that Alcee Hastings has [sorry Congressional Black Caucus] and with more intellectual heft than Reyes, the Latino who’s been mentioned as a compromise between Harman and Hastings.
Work for peace, every day.
prostratedragon @ 186
Very tasty, nice job.
Jack
Mornin’ all!
petedownunder @
179
Yup, Osama Mustafa Hassan, aka Abu Omar, and that supposedly was to rendition information out of him, or whatever, in Egypt.
Rayne @ 187
Tom Friedman said that it’s not a Civil War because there are more than two factions…It’s way worse. He then continues his history lesson by talking about the Sunnis and Shia killing each other. His blather is to confusing to follow.
FWIW: the full article is at http://www.alternet.org/story/44815/ :
prostratedragon @
186
Good morning, and may I introduce our delusional nutbag’s latest twaddle:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....re_eu/bush
Did anyone see the interview of Jimmy Carter on Larry King Live last night? It’s bound to stir controversy.
this is one ggreat idea, (redo from the the nixon days)
it’s going to be epu’d but I can’t wait for the next thread to tell it.
remmeberr “don’t blame me, I voted for mcgovern” stickers”?
that served a real subliminal purpose and it villainized the republcan party
we have a unique opertunity to villainize the republican party becuase of how inept bush and the neo cons are and we need to start a similar campaign
nobody likes pumper stickers anymore, so removasble window signs are probably the way to go…tea shirts, firedog coffe mugs would be good too
sayings like “don’t blame security failure on me, I vote democratic”
“don’t blame 9/11 on me, I voted for gore”
“don’t blame under equipping torture on me, I vote with the democrats”
and the best one;
“DON’T BLAME LACK OF TROOP SUPPORT ON ME, I’M NOT A REPUBLICAN, I VOTE FOR TROOPS SUPPORT, THAT’S DEMOCRATIC”
that last one is a killer
Wigwam @ 195
tell us what was controversial please
I did Wigwam, and his book has already raised objections by Leader Pelosi and John Conyers.
btw, for a good bit of more hate-filled twaddle, you can tune into cspan1 for Ralph Peters.
perris @ 197
I didn’t see the interview because I can’t stand larry king. But my guess is that Mr Carter called for peace and reconcilliation in the mid east based on justice for the Palestinans and security for the Isrealis inside the 67 borders. And we all know anytime someone calls for justice for the Palestinians it’s code for destroy Isreal.
perris @
197
It was about his new book: Palestine, Peace not Apartheid. Suggesting that what is happening in the West Band and Gaza is apartheid is considered a worthy topic of discussion everywhere in the world, including in Israel, but not in the U.S.
The post brings joy to my heart and the picture is perfect. Someone should make a billboard out of it with the words “Republican base” underneath and put it up across the country.
I did see part of the Carter interview last night. Mostly it was about his book, but he was asked about Gates as Sec. of Defense, and Carter approved of him. Said he had worked with him and thought he would be confirmed. So to Carter at least Iran-Contra is old news.
Carter has, at times, refused to talk trash about D.C. fixtures. Irking it is to me. Yes.
new thread
Tax the bithcez, then throw them to the lions. I’m so tired of Christians, f-ing control freaks, the lot of them. I say, bash away! It’s time they got a big fat ugly dose of their own elixir.
EPU’d, and haven’t plowed through the comments . . .
The poor, the outcasts, and those who pay attention to the environment: those who claim the name Christian need to claim these brothers and sisters as well. Thanks, TRex. This is a keeper.
Tax the bitchez, then throw them to the lions. I’m so tired of Christians, f-ing control freaks, the lot of them. I say, bash away! It’s time they got a big fat ugly dose of their own elixir.
Why?
What should we call them: secular humanists? Zoroastrians? Followers of the Great Spirit?
Oh yeah compassionate conservatives and that compassion thing. Compassion would be looking after the meek and the vulnerable, as opposed to pure political grandstanding on issues like same-sex marriage ? Hmmm . . . Looking forward to a General J.C. Christian writeup on the whole thing.
BTW. Reading Ivanhoe. started during Thanksgiving. Very disturbed by the antisemitism, but plowing on.
Also recommend a Frederick Douglas/Harriet Jacobs extravaganza, where both recalling lives as slaves learned to despise/fear “religious masters” whose hypocrisy knew no boundaries. Powerful stuff.
Another consideration not discussed much is if the Democrats trade away some of their ‘investigative capital’ for pet (pork) projects. Their track record in this respect is not always great. If Bush doesn’t veto ‘A’ the Dems won’t investigate ‘B’ quite as vigorously.
Politic is the Art of the Possible.
Horse trading for programs dear to progressive hearts is tempting, I.E. - healthcare, global warming, social security, unfunded pension program reforms etc….
Any thoughts on actual legislative progress in Bush’s lame duck years.
Are the pending investigations a gun to DumbAss’ pea brain?
The definition of a Christian Fundamentalist is: A person who is desperately afraid that someone, somewhere, is having more fun than they are.
21st century Pharisees.
I actually did a little research on Dr. Hunter. I had asked our church not to make available the “Christian Coalition’s Voting Guide” this year. My suggestion was taken before the session and they voted to make it available. They also said I could make any other organization’s guide available too. I was satisfied with this procedure.
Our church Pastor told me to take heart because I expressed my disappointment at the church even being involved in politics at all. Pastor Bob told me of Dr. Hunter’s acceptance to be the new leader, he had met him, and knew he was a man of true Christian values.
I e-mailed Dr. Hunter and asked him to please stop this madness of dividing us in the name of religion. I asked that we as a church get out of politics and quit trying to legislate morality.
Guess what? He agreed with me, thanked me for writing, and said he would do his best.
I’m saddened he is being ridiculed for trying and failing. He has resigned because he is a man of his word. He wanted to make a difference but the Robertson’s and Falwell’s made a mistake in thinking he would simply rubber stamp their agenda.
I think we should thank Dr. Hunter for being a man of integrity. I am sure he will do the best he can at his church to pursue Christ’s true agenda of helping the poor and loving one another.
Peace!