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	<title>Comments on: Late Nite FDL: We Have Already Lost the War in Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/26/late-nite-fdl-we-have-already-lost-the-war-in-iraq/#comment-396285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here in the CA 26th CD, we still need to get rid of Drieir.  Not only is he a charter member of the Velvet Mafia Hypocrits Club but he also doesn’t bring home much bacon to the CD, a fact about which not many are aware.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LA seems so much like a self-contained unit many don’t realize we don’t get our share of fed funds in his district.  In fact, esp. under this maladministration, we get fewer tax dollars back than we send.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This last election, we had a chance until the primary.  Don’t know what happened, but Cynthia “I’m gayer than Drieir” Matthews didn ‘t even come close.  She came within a few percentage points last time she ran against him, thanks to a public spat between Drieir and two radio DJ’s over immigration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Russ Warner, the man she beat in the primary, had a good chance in this CD.  Who knows?  He’s running again next time and, while he’s not exactly progressive, he’s a good Dem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the CA 26th CD, we still need to get rid of Drieir.  Not only is he a charter member of the Velvet Mafia Hypocrits Club but he also doesn’t bring home much bacon to the CD, a fact about which not many are aware.  </p>
<p>LA seems so much like a self-contained unit many don’t realize we don’t get our share of fed funds in his district.  In fact, esp. under this maladministration, we get fewer tax dollars back than we send.</p>
<p>This last election, we had a chance until the primary.  Don’t know what happened, but Cynthia “I’m gayer than Drieir” Matthews didn ‘t even come close.  She came within a few percentage points last time she ran against him, thanks to a public spat between Drieir and two radio DJ’s over immigration.</p>
<p>Russ Warner, the man she beat in the primary, had a good chance in this CD.  Who knows?  He’s running again next time and, while he’s not exactly progressive, he’s a good Dem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You will probably not see this, TREx, but I gotta object to the C word, even when used with regard to Ingraham.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s the only word I don’t use.  It’s the only one that makes me go  “ohhh” and stop reading.  If my survey is correct, 9 out of 10 women feel the same.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ifya wouldn’t mind, could ya lose it outta your vocabulary, at least here?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fixed for you, Mommybrain.  TRex&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will probably not see this, TREx, but I gotta object to the C word, even when used with regard to Ingraham.</p>
<p>It’s the only word I don’t use.  It’s the only one that makes me go  “ohhh” and stop reading.  If my survey is correct, 9 out of 10 women feel the same.  </p>
<p>Ifya wouldn’t mind, could ya lose it outta your vocabulary, at least here?</p>
<p><em>Fixed for you, Mommybrain.  TRex</em></p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I tried to close the italics tag in my post, Prof, but the same post is stuck in moderation now.  Oh well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See you upstairs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to close the italics tag in my post, Prof, but the same post is stuck in moderation now.  Oh well.</p>
<p>See you upstairs.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My bad.    Left an open italics.  Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad.    Left an open italics.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My comment at 169: “foist.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment at 169: “foist.”</p>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh-oh.  Recess and playground time are over.  School Marm Christy has called us back into the classroom for some learnin’:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/27/the-math/&quot;&gt;New thread on the New Math&lt;/a&gt; just inside the schoolhouse door.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh.  Recess and playground time are over.  School Marm Christy has called us back into the classroom for some learnin’:  <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/27/the-math/">New thread on the New Math</a> just inside the schoolhouse door.</p>
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		<title>By: Prof</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-396170&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JoyB @ 159 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-396019&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Swordswoman @ 14 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I wish I could say this less clumsily.  I’m convinced that we may not be able to do much, but what we do is not futile.  The Underground Railroad didn’t end slavery, but it made a difference to  some slaves… and it made a difference to the people who operated the Railroad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you said it beautifully. The individuals matter, and this analogy is a great one to keep in mind any time we feel our efforts to do good are for naught. Thinking in terms of the individuals benefited generates power and motivation; in terms of general populations, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is a great concept, indeed.  And it resonates with me particularly, as my family — Quakers back then — ran a stop on the underground railroad in Michigan.  I was privileged to revisit the old farmhouse many years ago (owned by then by an African-American woman and her children, who actually didn’t know the story).  Basing my search on family stories, I  went down to the basement to see the tunnel that led under the road to the barn, and went up into the tower where a kerosene lamp was hung when a new shipment was expected, alerting other Quakers to come by and pick up their packages.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lights are hoisted up into the towers here at FDL, and over at Daily Kos, and at America Blog, and HuffPost.  Other leaders, like Glenn Greenwald and Taylor Marsh and Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers and Digby help map out routes for others, enslaved by years of right-wing domination, to escape from the grips of the plantations of the right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Except this is an Overground Railroad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-396170"><em>JoyB @ 159 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-396019"><em>Swordswoman @ 14 </em></a></p>
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I wish I could say this less clumsily.  I’m convinced that we may not be able to do much, but what we do is not futile.  The Underground Railroad didn’t end slavery, but it made a difference to  some slaves… and it made a difference to the people who operated the Railroad.</p>
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<p>I think you said it beautifully. The individuals matter, and this analogy is a great one to keep in mind any time we feel our efforts to do good are for naught. Thinking in terms of the individuals benefited generates power and motivation; in terms of general populations, not so much.</p>
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<p>That is a great concept, indeed.  And it resonates with me particularly, as my family — Quakers back then — ran a stop on the underground railroad in Michigan.  I was privileged to revisit the old farmhouse many years ago (owned by then by an African-American woman and her children, who actually didn’t know the story).  Basing my search on family stories, I  went down to the basement to see the tunnel that led under the road to the barn, and went up into the tower where a kerosene lamp was hung when a new shipment was expected, alerting other Quakers to come by and pick up their packages.</p>
<p>Lights are hoisted up into the towers here at FDL, and over at Daily Kos, and at America Blog, and HuffPost.  Other leaders, like Glenn Greenwald and Taylor Marsh and Matt Stoller and Chris Bowers and Digby help map out routes for others, enslaved by years of right-wing domination, to escape from the grips of the plantations of the right.</p>
<p>Except this is an Overground Railroad.</p>
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		<title>By: GrandmaJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandmaJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Robert at 166 - and that is why&lt;br /&gt;
Arianna Huffington said about a year ago that Chuck Hagel will be the biggest threat to a dem prez in ‘08 than anyone.  He is on no one’s radar, but he is a neocon in ‘centrist’ clothing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert at 166 &#8211; and that is why<br />
Arianna Huffington said about a year ago that Chuck Hagel will be the biggest threat to a dem prez in ‘08 than anyone.  He is on no one’s radar, but he is a neocon in ‘centrist’ clothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Professor Foland 160 — in regards to “which worse is worse”…Iraqi soldiers trained by U.S. military standing by while &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0611250205nov25,1,7360690.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&quot;&gt;Sunnis are set on fire&lt;/a&gt; can hardly get worse.  We could not protect these people, and neither would their own countrymen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve arrived at a point where the truth of Iraq — that it is a social, political construct which didn’t have the support of its own citizens, only that of outside forces and strong men — must emerge and be allowed to realize itself as separate states.  We’ve deferred this day for a long time, too long.  And we’re in the way.  I don’t wish for one more innocent to die, but we are not preventing any deaths by staying, as the overfilled morgues there prove.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Foland 160 — in regards to “which worse is worse”…Iraqi soldiers trained by U.S. military standing by while <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0611250205nov25,1,7360690.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed">Sunnis are set on fire</a> can hardly get worse.  We could not protect these people, and neither would their own countrymen.</p>
<p>We’ve arrived at a point where the truth of Iraq — that it is a social, political construct which didn’t have the support of its own citizens, only that of outside forces and strong men — must emerge and be allowed to realize itself as separate states.  We’ve deferred this day for a long time, too long.  And we’re in the way.  I don’t wish for one more innocent to die, but we are not preventing any deaths by staying, as the overfilled morgues there prove.</p>
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