
Boys play soccer in front of closed shops during curfew in Baghdad, November 26, 2006. Baghdad was under a vehicle curfew for the third day. It was imposed after Thursday's bombings in the Shi'ite stronghold of Sadr City that killed 202 people. (Mohammed Ameen/Reuters)
One of the most criticial questions about Iraq has been whether any sort of civil society amongst the various factions and infighting could continue to sustain itself despite the war and chaos and hatred and bloodshed. Increasingly it has seemed that the answer was no, just going by the headlines and the increasing tensions between militias and governmental factions and the sheer level of sectarian bloodshed in the daily morgue reports. But here and there, you can catch glimpses of the humanity that lies beneath all the ruins, and the little bits of hope to which the residents of the war-torn nation cling. From the WaPo today:
Yet amid the fear gripping this city of 7 million, there were also signs of Iraq's famous cohesiveness, even as the sectarian divide widened. In some mixed neighborhoods, Shiites provided shelter to Sunnis targeted by Shiite militiamen, even though they risked being branded as collaborators. Others took care of Sunni children or bought groceries for Sunni neighbors who feared walking to the local market....Since Thursday, he said, he has stayed inside his home. He carries his AK-47 and 60 bullets everywhere, even to bed. "I hug my AK-47 more than my wife," Sammaraie said.
His two small daughters don't understand. His 14-year-old asked him why he carried a gun all the time. He replied: "Do you want your dad to get killed?"
At night, he heads to the roof of his house, a cup of coffee in one hand, his AK-47 in the other. From there, he scans the streets for militiamen.
But if his house gets attacked, he will turn to Zuheari for help. Zuheari said he can't forget when Sammaraie's relatives offered shelter to his family during the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. Now it's his turn to return the favor. The men placed a ladder against a wall in Sammaraie's back yard. If Shiite militiamen appear, Sammaraie and 16 relatives will use it to climb over the wall and into Zuheari's home.
"If the Mahdi Army finds out we are supporting a Sunni, maybe they will turn against us," Zuheari said. "They will think we are collaborators. This is a big problem. We don't know what will happen. I have one AK-47. We cannot do anything."
Still, Zuheari warned Sammaraie on Friday when he received a text message from a Shiite friend in Sadr City saying that the "young people of the Mahdi Army have taken revenge on the Sunnis." Without revealing the message, "I told him he should move his family inside my house," Zuheari said.
This is what life has become for the people of Iraq. Fear, reprisals, ever-constant bloodshed...and hugging an AK-47 as a means of survival for your family, at all costs. Why? Because of this:
Since those attacks, quasi-armies of residents in mixed and majority-Sunni Arab neighborhoods have formed to protect their streets. Sunni Web sites are offering advice on how to kill Shiite militiamen. College students and executives pace at their homes, clutching rifles and handguns around the clock. Iraqis are posting pleas on Internet message boards to buy extra ammunition and weapons.Despite a government-imposed curfew, Iraqis described Shiite militiamen murdering Sunnis at checkpoints, controlling neighborhoods with impunity and conspiring with Iraq's majority-Shiite police force, which the Interior Ministry controls. Other Iraqis spoke of mortar shells raining on their mosques and gun battles outside their houses, deepening their mistrust of Iraq's security forces and elected politicians.
And this:
Iraq's precarious government was teetering yesterday as a powerful Shia militia leader threatened to withdraw support after sectarian killings reached a new peak and the country lurched closer to all-out civil war.The prime minister, Nuri al-Maliki, was forced to choose between his US protectors and an essential pillar of his coalition, when Moqtada al-Sadr declared his intention to walk out, potentially bringing down the government, if Mr Maliki went ahead with a meeting with President George Bush in Jordan next week.
Mr Maliki, a moderate Shia, faced the dilemma as the cycle of killings reached new levels of savagery. Yesterday, there were reports that at least 60 Sunnis had died in revenge killings and suicide attacks, including one episode in which Shia militiamen seized six Sunnis as they were leaving a mosque, doused them with petrol and set them alight, while soldiers reportedly stood by. In another attack, gunmen burned mosques and killed more than 30 Sunnis in Baghdad's Hurriya district before US forces intervened.
And especially this:
The insurgency in Iraq is now self-sustaining financially, raising tens of millions of dollars a year from oil smuggling, kidnapping, counterfeiting, connivance by corrupt Islamic charities and other crimes that the Iraqi government and its American patrons have been largely unable to prevent, a classified United States government report has concluded.The report, obtained by The New York Times, estimates that groups responsible for many insurgent and terrorist attacks are raising $70 million to $200 million a year from illegal activities. It says $25 million to $100 million of that comes from oil smuggling and other criminal activity involving the state-owned oil industry, aided by “corrupt and complicit” Iraqi officials.
As much as $36 million a year comes from ransoms paid for hundreds of kidnap victims, the report says. It estimates that unnamed foreign governments — previously identified by American officials as including France and Italy — paid $30 million in ransom last year.
A copy of the seven-page report was made available to The Times by American officials who said the findings could improve understanding of the challenges the United States faces in Iraq.
The report offers little hope that much can be done, at least soon, to choke off insurgent revenues. For one thing, it acknowledges how little the American authorities in Iraq know — three and a half years after the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein — about crucial aspects of insurgent operations. For another, it paints an almost despairing picture of the Iraqi government’s ability, or willingness, to take steps to tamp down the insurgency’s financing.
“If accurate,” the report says, its estimates indicate that these “sources of terrorist and insurgent finance within Iraq — independent of foreign sources — are currently sufficient to sustain the groups’ existence and operation.” To this, it adds what may be its most surprising conclusion: “In fact, if recent revenue and expense estimates are correct, terrorist and insurgent groups in Iraq may have surplus funds with which to support other terrorist organizations outside of Iraq.”
The individual cost to Iraqis is rising. It is showing up in ways that we have seen throughout history, through a flood of refugees, pouring out of Iraq as swiftly as grains of sand pour through the tiny neck of an hourglass. And they are coming to our shores, as well as pouring into Jordan and Syria and all over the Middle East and Europe. These are educated Iraqis, the business classes, the professionals -- doctors, educators, shopkeepers -- all of the people that Iraq needs to be a functioning society, fleeing that nation as soon as an opportunity arises to smuggle themselves across the border. Because they want to continue to live.
And without them, Iraq as a nation will die, because what they will be left with is militias, politicians surrounded by a phalanx of hired guns, those so craven as to attempt to take advantage of the chaos, and a terrified populace of those too poor or too unlucky to get out. There is no cohesion in that scenario, only chaos.
As the shuttle diplomacy continues, with Cheney in Saudi Arabia and the Iraqi President headed to Iran (if they can get violence at the Baghdad airport under control) and Condi and Bushie on their way to Jordan...the questions being raised in the region are now not merely about Iraq, but about the potential for spillover into the entirety of the Middle East and beyond.
The latest violence in Iraq, which has seen hundred of civilians killed in bombings and retaliatory attacks, has raised the spectre of ethnic civil war in the country, and Western diplomats are now engaged in attempts to stem the bloodshed. However, it is not clear what they can achieve. Cheney's meeting with King Abdullah will see him push the Saudis to use their influence with Sunni insurgents in Iraq to halt attacks on the country's Shia majority. He also wants the oil-rich nation to cough up more cash for Iraqi reconstruction projects, which have slowed to a snail's pace in the face of the everyday communal violence.One problem fuelling the violence is that Iraq is becoming a forum for its neighbours to exercise their influence. Iraq's Shia politicians and their powerful militias are increasingly under the sway of Iran. In flexing its muscles on the world stage, Iran is also carving out its own diplomatic path on Iraq. The expected Iran-Iraq summit in Tehran with Talabani is part of that process and could presage a later three-way meeting between Iraq, Syria and Iran which would be likely to outrage the US.
Such a meeting is increasingly necessary for Iraq's government, as both Iran and Syria have strong links to violent groups in the country. Talabani is travelling to Tehran in the hope of winning assurances that Iran's argument with the US over its nuclear ambitions and Israel will not be played out on Iraqi soil. 'Our hope is that Iran would not use Iraq in its dispute with America. Iran can play an important and positive role to secure Iraq,' said Talabani's spokesman, Kamran Qaradaghi.
Yet Iran seems to be already using its influence in Iraq to derail the American-led peace efforts in Jordan. Firebrand Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who is close to Iran and controls a powerful militia in Iraq, has said that he will leave the ruling coalition if Maliki meets Bush. That could trigger the collapse of Maliki's fragile government. At the same time it would be difficult for Maliki to snub Bush, who added the Jordanian summit to his schedule at the last minute in response to the Iraqi violence.
This entire situation with Iraq has been handled badly by the Bush Administration, starting with their ill-informed decision to begin the occupation of that nation in the first place. And the consequences for the repeated piling on of failure after failure, poor decision after another, is where we find ourselves today -- desperately hoping that some diplomacy can, somehow, some way, pull Iraq back from the brink of chaos and destruction.
But we know, in our guts and our hearts, that it is likely already too late, and scrambling to hold on to some level of stability for the rest of the Middle East as everyone attempts to contain the damage to Iraq alone. Some nations and leaders are attempting to leverage the chaos to their advantage -- Moqtada Al-Sadr is a good example of this, pushing against the current national leadership to pull himself upward in the Great Game -- but for what?
In the end, who is served by being the King of Chaos? And who will reap the benefits of this whirlwind spinning out of control and reaching its tentacles of death and destruction further and further outward in the region? Beyond the war profiteering and the no-bid contracts, who benefits from George Bush's war? The McCains and the Lieberman's of the world cannot back down now, or they will lose face in their own minds, seemingly, based on their recent statements and actions. The Bush Administration certainly is not going to admit an error -- heaven forbid. We have created our own worst nightmare, and worse, we did it without any provocation from Iraq other than the stubborn public statements of a madman which were used to justify the actions of a hotheaded President bent on revenge and one-upsmanship on his Daddy.
Somewhere, in the mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan, Osama Bin Laden is smiling. And not just because suicide bombs have begun in Kabul.
History will judge the Bush Administration for its failures of long-term analysis and short-term idiocy. And it will be a harsh judgment, of that I have no doubts. Every day that we stay in Iraq, things get worse. Everything that Goerge Bush has touched there has gone badly in the end. And the Iraqi people deserve far better than what they are barely surviving at the moment. Political solutions are few and far between, and not likely to come any time soon. Military solutions are even more unlikely, given the wholly botched idiocy that Rummy and Cheney and Bush and McCain and Lieberman and their ilk foisted on that nation.
Death and destruction are ruling the day in Iraq, if this morning's news is any indication of life there. Here and there, though, you get a glimpse of the humanity that survives somehow, blooming in a tiny patch of sunlight amidst all the darkness. The photo above of children finding some joy in a game of soccer outside the closed shops of Baghdad. The friendship across religious fault lines that will last, perhaps, for some time longer, if they are lucky.
But in the meantime, what is to be done amid the chaos?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Jordan’s King Abdullah said Sunday the problems in the Middle East go beyond the war in Iraq and that much of the region soon could become engulfed in violence unless the central issues are addressed quickly.
“We could possibly imagine going into 2007 and having three civil wars on our hands,” he said, citing conflicts in Iraq, Lebanon and the decades-long strife between the Palestinians and Israelis.
“Therefore, it is time that we really take a strong step forward as part of the international community and make sure we avert the Middle East from a tremendous crisis that I fear, and I see could possibly happen in 2007,” he said
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Yes, it was sobering. The thought of 3 civil wars going on at the same time in the ME is about as scary a scenario as can be.
Sorry this is so long and bleak, all — it’s a sobering, depressing read in the news this morning. And I don’t see it getting better any time soon. The Abdullah article that RW quotes is one of the many, many reasons…
Listening to the wise ones on Meet the Press on what the US needs to do in the coming Friedman seems so incredibly disconnected from reality. I fear Iraq will blow wide open this week
But the Neo-cons promised that a strong US footprint in the region would bring all of the Arabs and Muslims to heel.
What a brilliant bunch of prognosticators they have turned out to be, eh.
Add into the mix that Somalia is turning into a regional flashpoint and also Sudan and Chad are bleeding too.
Not to mention that I still haven’t put an attack against Iran led by Deadeye Dick, from a comfortable non-disclosed location mind you.
-GSD
rwcole– that was the single most important point coming out of the shows this morning.
Wake up America– it’s gonna blow and we did it!
GSD at 7 — I couldn’t even get beyond Iraq. Contemplating the rest of the mess in the world was just too much for my disgusted brain this morning. Blergh.
Scout at 6 — yes, Gen. McCaffrey and his need for more and more Friedmans is on my last nerve this morning. (And good to see you in these parts!)
This thing is getting closer and closer to explosion time- and it’s a regional issue- not a local Iraq issue..
Unfortunately- just withdrawing from Iraq won’t fix it.. it now has a life of it’s own. There is going to have to be some wise and muscular diplomacy in the middle east- and it ain’t comin from the assholes in the White House now..they’ll only make it worse.
There are people and companies that benefit from chaos (Middle East) and economic dislocation (US). Power and money can be consolidated by clever people. Consider the Depression and WWII, lot of changes in power and fortune.
Only a few might be willing to take the steps to create chaos, but a lot of other people will benefit. I am trying to think about how to unravel this. War profiteering hearings and trials would help.
Military parents might be an interesting constituency to learn more about. They have a lot to lose.
Charlie Savage is still on the case. This man deserves a Pulitzer and a good squad of body guards.
In today’s Glob:
Christy,
I still see echos of Rwanda and of Lebanon in the 70’s and 80’s in Iraq….
The question is at what point in the devolution of humanity in that region do the great minds in America decide to remove the US troops from the meltdown of humanity.
I am curious as to what Deadeye Dick is up to…
Notice we haven’t been hearing or seeing much of the Al Qaeda in Iraq angle. That shit don’t play so well anymore.
-GSD
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14 year olds carrying guns in Iraq. I wonder if there are any fourteen year olds carrying guns say in L.A., NY City, Detroit, Miami, Dallas, St. Louis or for that matter, Oklahoma City?
As far as Iraq is concerned. I believe in the right of self-determination. Same thing for Gaza.
Hey Christy! Thanks for the welcome mat and glad to be here.
I went to bed depressed having read the WaPo and McClatchey articles. This is what we have wrought. It’s going to get bad. I wonder if Malaki goes to see Bush if he’ll have a gov’t to return to? It certainly looks as though this thing is going to blow wide open. Just what will US troops do in that case?
What a terrible mess
Four Friedmans’ equal one McCaffrey.
So my math goes.
Notice Russia just delivered on the missiles to Iran and the anti aircraft systems to Syria. Putin is whacking critics with impunity, he doesn’t much give a shit about “international opinion” anymore.
At least the US defense industry is selling like a motherfucker.
-GSD
“defense industry”
Disappointing war for them all in all.
GE is showin shitty profits- cause the Iraqis didn’t shoot down any jets that need ta be replaced.
We HAVE worn out millions of tons of trucks an humvees and so on- but the army refuses to replace em cause it will make the bill for Iraq too high- so General Motors continues on the verge of extinction..and so it goes.
Not many winners in this pile of shit.
What is needed is a comprehensive blue print for the US role in the middle east..who’s up to it? None of the presidential candidates that I can see.
GW Clusterfuck took a half a trillion in cold hard cash and poured it down a fuckin hole in the ground- the MBA president.
Outstanding post, Christy. You’ve pulled it all together. And here’s the question:
Why is George Bush, now regarded by all but the most clueless, head-in-sanders, as completely incompetent and intellectually incapable of even seeing reality, let alone dealing with it, going to Jordan? What could this man possibly contribute to the discussions that must now occur? Does anyone other than Barney the dog believe that George Bush can, through his personal eloquence, persuasive powers and wise diplomacy, say or do anything useful at this point?
It seems to me that Bush has been sent there by whomever his current handlers are ??? for the sole purpose of saving his presidency — to prove that he is in charge when it’s clear to all that he is not in charge, that he’s still relevant in any positive sense, when everyone has concluded that he is only relevant in a negative one.
So I think this has nothing to do with saving Iraq, or even persuading Mr. Maliki to do something, because George Bush is not capable of saving Iraq or persuading anyone with a rational brain.
So what needs to happen? We need a de jure, not just a de facto caretaker government. We need to get Bush and Cheney out of the way so that real grownups — or the closest we can get under the political circumstances — can confront the mess and try to salvage what little value, if any, is left. The Bush/Cheney regime is the elephant in the room, and it’s time to have this elephant lifted out of the way by Marine One.
I don’t know if anyone has already posted this article, but I recommend reading the whole thing - Greeley gets it!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/g.....GRE…
November 24, 2006
BY ANDREW GREELEY
. . .They died defending American freedom? But American freedom was never at issue. They died to protect the country from weapons of mass destruction, to create a democracy in the midst of the Arab world, to win a victory that would enhance American credibility, to keep faith with those who had already died, to get rid of Saddam Hussein, because the president said it was the right thing to do, because Iraq was the central front in the war or terror?
Or should they be told the real truth? Their young person died because of the arrogance and the ignorance of the American government, because of mistakes and blunders, because some of our leaders thought the war was a good thing, because it would take pressure off of Israel, because of Arab oil.
President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney killed them.
Most Americans agree that the war was mistaken in its inception and mismanaged in its execution. If some of that majority do not also feel the grief and the pain and the rage, the only reason is that they have hardened their hearts in the name of patriotism or party loyalty or the words of the bible. God have mercy on those with hard hearts.
God forgive us for the war, especially those who voted for it in 2004, and especially the pundits, the commentators, the editorial writers who supported the war until almost the last moment and are still willing to accept more casualties so this country and its president can escape with some dignity.
It’s a shame there will be no war crimes trials.
Well, OK, it is a bonus for the new age Hessians though.
Also, the Brits were supposed to be gearing up to move out of Southern Iraq because things are going
swimmingly.
You know, repeated missile attacks and dead and wounded troops all indicate a really pacified southern Iraq.
-GSD
rwcole at 21 — isn’t that what he did to “his” oil company? You know, the one that daddy and Jim Baker had to bail him out of way back when? Before they got him the figurehead office job with the Rangers?
King Abdullah is (as is Abdullah in Saudi Arabia) worried about the conflict spilling over into his country–remember that he’s already had a recent example of that (hotel bombing).
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit that Cheney is in Saudi Arabia trying to convince the Saudi royals that a) they need to finance a resurgent Sunni authoritarian government in Iraq, and b) that they accept US troops on Saudi soil in perpetuity by saying that the threat of expanding war is greater than the threat of terrorism by bin Laden.
Neither the new-school neo-conservative neo-colonialists nor the old-school neo-colonialists led by the Baker Boys want a religious/political/oil cooperation between Iraq and Iran.
They figured that they could install Chalabi and everything would be hunky-dory. Now, I’ll bet, the only thing they can think of is to reset the clock and declare victory in time for the 2008 elections.
scarecrow at 22 — thanks. There were a lot of disperate threads this morning in the news that needed pulling together somehow. There is so much more, but the post was getting unwieldy. Juan Cole is an especially difficult read today, in case anyone wants more on this mess.
I believe that Zbig was instrumental in facilitating the treaty between Egypt and Israel. I think that this man was a major force in seeking peace in the Middle East during the Carter years.
Redd–Actually that’s what he did with BOTH of his oil companies..
The amazing fact, though, is that Clusterfuck got every penny of his investment (trust fund) back- while his “investors” lost every cent.
It was the Bin Laden family who rescued him from his first fuck up.
Dicussion now on CNN as to whether to arrest or marginalize al Sadr….as if either is possible. What an incredible disconnect here in US
EPU’d below, but more appropriate here anyway…
[Thank you for this post. Christy. We need to know. We all need to do what we can, even if that seems at times to be merely sitting in an imaginary circle dithering together. Tomorrow will come, and we have to face whatever it brings. You help us beyond measure, especially now. ;->]
Can we all agree? Jr. has accomplished one thing. He has painted the whole world into a corner with his disasterous [Iraq] policy[ies]. That will be his only legacy anyone will ever remember.
Out of Iraq. Democrats.
rwcole 20 — you mean the ones who’ve announced to date, I’m sure.
I’m also certain that as long as the neo-cons continue to hold too much sway and their dirt hasn’t been exposed for what it is, it’s in no Dem candidate’s interest to do anything about a comprehensive blueprint this far out. It’s not their job yet, frankly; it could get their aspirations suffocated in the cradle, and it’s still this administration’s mess, too easy for them to trash anything any presumptive candidate could try to set in motion.
Not that this absolves HRC.
The problem, oddly enough, seems to be that W and DeadEye have belatedly endorsed The Powell Pottery Barn Rule (which, incidentally, Pottery Barn hates and disavows, in that they carry breakage insurance like every other reputable retailer. No one makes customers pay for items they break!)
“You break it, you own it.”
Yes, we broke it (Iraq), probably a long time ago when we installed the Shah of Iran, certainly when Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam. But this idea that we then own it — that is the source of our current insanity. Iraqis own it; it’s their country; we are invading occupiers; their insurgency is self-supporting with oil revenue and ransom payments (thanks Perle, thanks Murdoch!).
There is only one solution: declare that the last soldier has died in Iraq. Bring home our troops. Let the regional powers draw lines, sort it out, make war for decades — all of which would have happened when Saddam died and his dilettante sons tried to run Iraq themselves. We have accelerated a process that was going to occur anyway, with the results being:
1. We have zero credibility in the region
2. We have zero access to oil revenues
3. We have the blood of innocents on our hands
4. We are reviled around the globe
The USA needs withdrawal and repair from within. The globe will heal better without us actively directing what our current leaders think is healing behavior. They are rending our world further asunder with every step they take.
Someone else — someone who cares about the USA and Earth — needs to be in charge. Someone who cares about her grandchildren’s future and not who’s gonna get Raptured and who gets the Raptureds’ stuff. Hey — you bozos driving this bus — outta here, please! Head to Paraguay, BushCo.
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“out of Iraq?”
Well maybe- but we’re WAY past the point where if we get out- everything will fix itself..the region is on fire- watching it burn may not be the best option.
Rayne- correct. It’s not time to unveil a blueprint- but it’s time to start developing one.
In his attempt to save the family reputation, I hope that George H.W. Bush benfits us all. Perhaps there’s a silver lining in this: the effective end of the Republican Party.
I am now muting John Cornyn on my teevee. I cannot stand his ill-informed mouthing of talking points today.
Teddy
“someone else”
Yeah- but who the hell would THAT be? Russia?
A US base near Sadr City has been shelled and set afire.
The noose is tightening around every US base in that country…..
It is getting very near the end I fear.
-GSD
China has a huge army and lots of free cash. Maybe they would like to adopt the middle east?
FWIW Iraq: handicapping the Iraq Study Group
This rather long Kos diary is a little too optimistic imo, but at least it identifies the players as they really are and not the pablum Timmeh tried to feed us this morning.
Yes Cornyn sounds like an idiot
scout prime @ 30
Those blowhards, including McCain, are almost guaranteeing that Maliki is going down, IMO.
GSD–The end? Don’t think there IS an end.
Scary story at dKos –
This Could be the Beginning of the End of Iraq
[The] McClatchy wire service is reporting that followers of Shiite radical Muqtada al-Sadr have taken over a radio station in Baghdad and are urging attacks on named Sunni leaders and neighborhoods …
This is as ominous a development as anything I recall since the invasion of Iraq. Losing control of the airwaves is a standard indicator that a government has completely lost control of the country. Without even the figleaf of civil authority, Baghdad will probably spin in to absolute chaos. …
What are the options? We stay in Iraq and the killing continues. We get out of Iraq and the killing continues. Of course there is the fact that if we get out of Iraq; no more American soldier deaths. Do most of those that argue that we can’t leave Iraq have family and or friends serving in the military there?
I think if we give this war another six months and capture Al Qaeda’s # 1 things will get better.
-Richard CheneyPerleO’ReillyHannityIngrahamBushHunterRumsfeld
scout prime @ 43
His JAR is 45%. He’s going down in 2008 ; )
GSD at 40 — I saw that this morning. I have a dear friend who is stationed over there at the moment, and a cousin who is scheduled to go back any time now…and a few other acquaintences who have been in and out several times over the last couple of years. Every day I wake up and open my e-mail and pray that I will not have any bad news from friends or family in it. This is such a horrible mess, and so many loved ones are hunkered down in the middle of it on all sides.
options…I think whatever we decide to do is fast becoming irrelevent
The new theme - from McCain and others - that we should “take out Al-Sadr” is a horror. Note that even a “moderate” Baghdadi like Ali at MFI notes that while not Al-Sadr’s normal constituency, he sees him as the only one trying to hold Iraq together.
And Teddy - you are so right, we are not the ones to “fix” it and the only way forward is for the troops to leave now.
rwcole @ 45
The beginning of the end.
Also, I wonder if Al Maliki will even be allowed to return to Iraq if he meets the dissipated, feckless Chimp in a jumpsuit in Jordan.
-GSD
-ck- @ 46
I’ve seen three reports of this story, but on Fox this a.m., PBR panelist Mara Liason suggested ths happened a few days ago — and then it was over. So it’s not clear what’s going on — only that Sadr forces are fully capable of taking over a local station in their area — not exactly the same as taking over the national networks in the sense we think of for coups
Good God. There are times when I think Josh Marshall needs a slap alongside his centrist head. He’s saying he doesn’t favor Harman as Intel Committee Chair, that his concern is really with Hasting’s ethics.
F*ck that, it most certainly IS about Harman’s ethics. Here’s the list of top donors to her 2006 campaign; what’s this tell you about her interest in the chair?
Physical Optics Corp $17,100
Raytheon Co $17,050
National Technical Systems $13,600
Loral Space & Communications $12,000
Northrop Grumman $11,000
Intelligent Optical Systems Inc $10,400
Apollo Advisors $10,250
Blue Dog PAC $10,000
Boeing Co $10,000
National Assn of Realtors $10,000
Science Applications International Corp $10,000
Manatt, Phelps & Phillips $9,271
Perry Capital $8,400
Roll International $8,300
Cassidy & Assoc/Interpublic Group $8,000
Carpenters & Joiners Union $7,500
Harman International $7,300
William Morris Agency $5,700
Landon Butler & Co $5,200
Air Line Pilots Assn $5,000
American Postal Workers Union $5,000
Honeywell International $5,000
Lockheed Martin $5,000
National Education Assn $5,000
National Venture Capital Assn $5,000
Siebel Systems $5,000
Transport Workers Union $5,000
United Food & Commercial Workers Union $5,000
She ain’t in the game for the NEA or the UFCW.
Lets see now. Bush wants to stay in Iraq. McCain wants to increase troops there. Hummm…
The problem is that the USA has no moral and/or political authority left. What happens in Iraq from now on is going to be driven by other players, both internal and external. The only hope that country has is that some cooler heads can somehow come to the fore.
Christy,
My brothers friend is doing security in the Green Zone. He says that he won’t do convoys period because the situation is so deadly.
The lies about this war that have been poured like maple syrup on pancakes are about to be exposed in many, many ways.
The reports that there is a large group of former Ba’athists that are preparing for a Green Zone assault are sobering too.
-GSD
Just remember St. McCain motivation:
How bad are things in Iraq? Even the military indutrial complex profiteers are bailing out:
http://www.kellerkomments.com/.....-iraq.html
MFM at 57 — yes, but finding cooler heads with the will and the authority to exert pressure for solutions? That’s a tough one…
Gee. I wonder what the world would be like if we pulled out of Iraq and did something real and meaningful to promote peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians?
Looks like Pakistan’s ISI has come in from the cold - and left the “superpower” out to dry.
They appear to have calculated the outcome in Afganistan: defeat of the US/NATO forces.
Wonder what the talking heads would learn if they read the foreign press? Even radical papers like the London Times - official journal of the British Empire.
Hmm. I guess the Brits remember the Khyber Pass.
The pundits think it’s a new Afgani restaurant.
rwcole @ 39
Anyone who wants the oil, or the revenue therefrom, I guess.
Nuri Al Maliki gets stoned and not the good kind.
Monday is not going to be a good day.
-GSD
rwcole @ 35
It’s important, I think, to remember that much of the difficulties we’ve had in the Middle East can be directly related to the extent we’ve tried to control and/or manipulate various countries in the region after WWII (in much the same way as the British tried to do before WWII).
We destroyed the pro-democracy movement in Iran when we overthrew Mossadegh and installed the Shah, which led to the revolutionary religious state there a generation later. We exacerbated the problem by single-mindedly supporting Israeli expansionism in the region.
We gained the enmity of both Iran and Iraq for playing one against the other during the Iran-Iraq war. We literally created bin Laden by fostering war in Afghanistan, and created additional problems for ourselves by using Pakistan as a go-between in that war. We fueled the Islamist movement in Egypt by propping up an authoritarian government there.
We suckered Hussein into invading Kuwait and then suckered the Shia and Kurds into an uprising by convincing them we’d be there to help them, when all, along, we were cynically expecting them to succeed and solve the regime change problem for us, and failing that, would set up the circumstances for keeping US troops on Saudi soil to maintain the no-fly zones, which then angered Sunni fundamentalists, resulting in repeated acts of terrorism on the United States.
From that, I’d be inclined to say that everything the US has done in that region has made things worse, not better. Finding a way to stay in the region is part of that pattern of failure.
Cheers.
Hi Christy:
even when you write about the chaos, you leave spots of sunshine in the way you word your writing, such as:
your posts are always engaging to read. They may make the heart go heavy, but the always satisfy the mind.
The answer is very simple –
Commander Clusterfuck needs to strap on the Mighty Codpiece of Death, load up a C-130 with all of his family members, plus Cheney, Condi, Rummy, Rove, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin, and all of the other wingnut war pimps — and then, drop into the middle of Sadr City and give them Iraqis what for.
It might not end the war, but the satisfaction in this country would more than compensate for their loss.
How bad are things in Iraq? Even the militariy industrial complex profiteers are bailing out:
http://www.kellerkomments.com/.....-iraq.html
kirk murphy @ 64
Oh oh.
-GSD
KathieinMN @ 23
I’d really like to read the article(!) but I can’t get your link to work. Anyone got an idea of how to access? thanks.
http://www.latimes.com/news/po.....1204.storyreal story
here’s a real story about how the netroots backed a winner in rock-ribbed GOP land in NH: Carol Shea-Porter. She isnt’t selling to the defense industry ala Harman and she isn’t up from corporate America ala Tauscher.
This is also a real story by a real reporter, not some shill writing cause some Rx flak called the WAPO ( See page one today) and talked up how well folks like the PART D benefit andhow tough it will be to change.
Not that it matters much, but GE is not showing shitty profits. They are managing earnings to double digit growth just like they have always done.
The street is not rewarding that growth with an increased stock price, though.
rwcole @ 19
David at 69 — I deleted your post with the bad link, since you got the link right in the current one. Just FYI. :)
montag @ 67
Great analysis, Montag!
Does anyone here have any credible account of what actually happened at Camp Falcon in October?
If we get out, there is a chance that the cooler heads in Irag, and I think there are still some in the country, will have a chance to come out. Remember, the Iraqi government was hand picked by the US.
If the US leaves, you will still have a period of turmoil but there will be a greater likelyhood that it will play out a lot faster than if we stay. To a great extent, we are the problem.
Adie @ 71
Go to suntimes.com Select columinists and go from there.
kirk murphy @ 64
The Taliban and Al Qaeda were created by the ISI, and served as ISI subcontractors.
The 9/11 attacks were planned and funded by the ISI, and subcontracted out to Al Qaeda.
Plausible deniability, and all that.
THANKS ok! ;->
Local Phoenix Air America program “About Face” by the Veterans for Peace had a caller whose family member is starting their 7th tour. This person has been bouncing between Afghanistan & Iraq. There are many AZ units who are starting their 5th & 6th tours.
‘We can’t leave Iraq now’
Bulls’t! That’s the same old tired rhetoric we heard from those in charge of the Vietnam fiasco.
I want our soldiers out of Iraq now!
It’s going to be difficult to make much progress in the middle east until the Palestinian issue is fixed. Clinton understood that- tried and failed.
Can it be done? Beats me- but someone might be at least giving it a shot.
The US keeps Israel alive..Israel is a welfare state- living on the US..
It is impossible for the US to “withdraw” from the problems in the middle east as long as it has Israel on life support and is a major importer of petroleum.
The collective IQ’s of Cornyn, Santorum, Allen, Inhoffe, Weldon & co never added up to one average IQ. Unfortunately, not all the deadwood got voted out.
My worries about the ME tipping point into chaos that looks so close is what evil decision the neocons may make. Who has the authority & guts to stop them?
Montag - precisely! thank you for tracing the history of our “aid” to the Middle East.
The assumption that we have some abilty, right or even duty to “fix” Iraq is founded on the assumption that we invaded Iraq for good reasons and just happened to fumble it later on - we didn’t … it’s part of our history of imperialism and until we face that, we will continue to cause misery.
I’m not sure anymore what will bring peace to the Middle East. But I am sure of one and only one thing respective to that region. There will be no peace without a homeland for the Palestinians, and self-rule.
Bush is going to bail-out on the whole mess. The little psychopath won’t tolerate congressional oversight. Jenna is setting up a nice, extradition safe, home in Paraguay.
Is anyone here this morning thinking of 1975 and the “fall” of Saigon?
“The serious people” who shill for power/megacorps were telling us then how we needed to stay ’cause of the dominos.
Now we import dominos - and eveything else - from the scary Chinese - the reason the US troops to kill and die in Vietnam.
The same China that warred with Vietnam after ‘75. Seems our wise strategists and pundits were ignorant of the centuries-long emnity between the two nations.
Hey, only millions dead and wounded ’cause a bunch of Anglo pols couldn’t be bothered to learn.
Clueless US “strategists” had long since alieniated the civilian poplulation - funny how killing children and old women does that.
And the pundits brayed about “victory” - the victory to be had if the US deployed a military force it did not actually possess.
al-Maliki motorcade stoned in Sadr city when he tries to attend funeral services for the 200 or so killed there last Thursday.