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		<title>By: bob h</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-395117</link>
		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 12:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anybody know what Joe is planning to do with his chairmanship of that Homeland Security committee?  Any investigations, or would that be too partisan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody know what Joe is planning to do with his chairmanship of that Homeland Security committee?  Any investigations, or would that be too partisan?</p>
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		<title>By: dlake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-395079</link>
		<dc:creator>dlake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394826&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @&lt;br /&gt;
                139              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t think Hillary should run- but she will- I don’t think she should win- and she won’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She seems like a pretty competent person- she got on the war thing to show that she was tough enough to lead the nation to war if necessary-something the first woman president will have to do. She won’t, however, own that distinction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just came across this and I do not want her to run.  I cannot stand to hear her give a speech.  But, since I have insomnia, maybe that’s a good thing.&lt;br /&gt;
she’s gonna run and think it’s in the bag. Surprise!  She is not.&lt;br /&gt;
A list of why:  She is too packaged, she doesn’t stand for anything except what the polls show for the day, she has no positions, she is a ultimate insider, she makes a die hard democrat think of voting republican just to vote against her and make the ultimate statement, she has no personality, and I don’t recall us voting for a Bush/Clinton monarchy.&lt;br /&gt;
I saw Edwards on Russert tonight and you compare her with him, or Richardson or anyone else who is thinking of running and why would you vote for her.  Just because she is a woman.  Hell, after Waxman gets done with his investigations the first woman prez will be Pelosi who is 100 times better than Hillary could ever hope to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-394826"><em>rwcole @<br />
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<blockquote><p>I don’t think Hillary should run- but she will- I don’t think she should win- and she won’t.</p>
<p>She seems like a pretty competent person- she got on the war thing to show that she was tough enough to lead the nation to war if necessary-something the first woman president will have to do. She won’t, however, own that distinction.</p>
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<p>Just came across this and I do not want her to run.  I cannot stand to hear her give a speech.  But, since I have insomnia, maybe that’s a good thing.<br />
she’s gonna run and think it’s in the bag. Surprise!  She is not.<br />
A list of why:  She is too packaged, she doesn’t stand for anything except what the polls show for the day, she has no positions, she is a ultimate insider, she makes a die hard democrat think of voting republican just to vote against her and make the ultimate statement, she has no personality, and I don’t recall us voting for a Bush/Clinton monarchy.<br />
I saw Edwards on Russert tonight and you compare her with him, or Richardson or anyone else who is thinking of running and why would you vote for her.  Just because she is a woman.  Hell, after Waxman gets done with his investigations the first woman prez will be Pelosi who is 100 times better than Hillary could ever hope to be.</p>
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		<title>By: dlake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-395076</link>
		<dc:creator>dlake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 06:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ware is one of the rare true journalists around.  He is someone you respect and trust to tell the facts and not sugar coat it or kiss anyones ass.&lt;br /&gt;
He is worth a mint to anyone who wants real journalism&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ware is one of the rare true journalists around.  He is someone you respect and trust to tell the facts and not sugar coat it or kiss anyones ass.<br />
He is worth a mint to anyone who wants real journalism</p>
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		<title>By: thepoetryman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394883</link>
		<dc:creator>thepoetryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://apoeticjustice.blogspot.com/2006/11/freshly-whipped-dogs.html&quot;&gt;FRESHLY WHIPPED DOGS&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://apoeticjustice.blogspot.com/2006/11/freshly-whipped-dogs.html">FRESHLY WHIPPED DOGS</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394865</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394854&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Margot @ 161&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;GSD,&lt;br /&gt;
 thanks for the great recipe for cornbread dressing, so much better than the box stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angie!&lt;br /&gt;
 You remember back when you mentioned Badger Balm? I got some. It got me through a Thanksgiving bout of psoriasis. THANK YOU.  Wonderful stuff!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nothin’ beats Badger Balm!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-394854"><em>Margot @ 161</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>GSD,<br />
 thanks for the great recipe for cornbread dressing, so much better than the box stuff.</p>
<p>Angie!<br />
 You remember back when you mentioned Badger Balm? I got some. It got me through a Thanksgiving bout of psoriasis. THANK YOU.  Wonderful stuff!</p>
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<p>Nothin’ beats Badger Balm!!</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394863</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394830&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @&lt;br /&gt;
                143              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394820&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;UptownNYChick @ 134 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;ted Stevens is up for re-election in 2008 - wonder if he’ll have a website…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know Alaska. But I would think it’d be pretty easy to paint him as bumbling and clueless among other things (Wasn’t he the secret senator that put some corruption bill on hold.) Maybe time to air the dirty laundry among all those tubes? Running against a gritty Dem Tester like candidate.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recall our favorite Diane Benson, who ran statewide for the At-Large House seat in Alaska, and did respectably against Don Young.  Interesting to have only one Congressman, but two Senators, all responsible to — and exposed to — the same voters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-394830"><em>mui @<br />
                143              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-394820"><em>UptownNYChick @ 134 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>ted Stevens is up for re-election in 2008 &#8211; wonder if he’ll have a website…</p>
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<p>I don’t know Alaska. But I would think it’d be pretty easy to paint him as bumbling and clueless among other things (Wasn’t he the secret senator that put some corruption bill on hold.) Maybe time to air the dirty laundry among all those tubes? Running against a gritty Dem Tester like candidate.</p>
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<p>Recall our favorite Diane Benson, who ran statewide for the At-Large House seat in Alaska, and did respectably against Don Young.  Interesting to have only one Congressman, but two Senators, all responsible to — and exposed to — the same voters.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394858</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394801&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;neurophius @&lt;br /&gt;
                114              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394791&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;UptownNYChick @ 106 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am so sick of Joe. So, I went and looked up the 2008 Senate elections. 33 seats are up for re-election, 21 are Republicans.&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone know if there are any good challengers out there we can get behind? We hold all 12 of ours and we only need to pick up two to make Joe irrelevant again.&lt;br /&gt;
What about a challenger for Sununu? The Northeast seems particularly hostile to Repugs these days.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would like to see a good Democrat make Saxby Chambliss crawl back under whatever rock he crawled out from under for his vicious sliming of a patriot, Max Cleland.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d love a re-match of 2002 in Georgia 2008, actually.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-394801"><em>neurophius @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-394791"><em>UptownNYChick @ 106 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I am so sick of Joe. So, I went and looked up the 2008 Senate elections. 33 seats are up for re-election, 21 are Republicans.<br />
Anyone know if there are any good challengers out there we can get behind? We hold all 12 of ours and we only need to pick up two to make Joe irrelevant again.<br />
What about a challenger for Sununu? The Northeast seems particularly hostile to Repugs these days.</p>
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<p>I would like to see a good Democrat make Saxby Chambliss crawl back under whatever rock he crawled out from under for his vicious sliming of a patriot, Max Cleland.</p>
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<p>I’d love a re-match of 2002 in Georgia 2008, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: TeddySanFran</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394857</link>
		<dc:creator>TeddySanFran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-394799&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fini FiniTOOBZ! @&lt;br /&gt;
                112              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What is the thinking behind primary challenges in 2008 to hold-your-nose Dems like Senator Evan Bayh? Should we let sleeping dogs lie or should we be on the lookout for better progressive primary challengers? The war issue makes Bayh vulnerable as hell here because Indiana has lost a lot of troops in Iraq and it was a primary motivation for turning this state blue this time around. An antiwar progressive that could challenge the former head of the DLC (and one of its founders too I think) for the Senate nomination while Bayh is running for the Veep position on the 2008 POTUS ticket could do well here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The trick is to get the intended “target,” whether Dem or GOP, to look beyond his/her next election, i.e. get them to break the Bill Clinton Rule: Never look beyond the next election.  Bill learned this when he lost the Governorship of Arkansas after his (I think) first two-year term.  Ambitious, touted and bright, he knew great things were in his future, and (iirc) he forgot he needed to get re-elected to his then-current job.  We all heard Bill spouting this His Rule when asked about her Prez ambitions during Hill’s campaign for re-election to the Senate in 2006. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An recent and satisfying example of breaking this Rule to one’s detriment may be found in soon-to-former Senator Macacawitz of Virginia, who said in early 2006 in Iowa while campaigning for the GOP Presidential nomination that the Senate moved too slow and bored him.  Bored now, Felix?  I thought so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if Evan Bayh’s Senate seat were up in 2008 — here’s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/two_column_table/Class_II.htm&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to Class II Senators whose terms expire in January 2009 and he’s not — he could be induced to focus on the Prez/Veep campaign, losing his focus on the need to get re-elected in the same year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, OtherJoe appears vulnerable to such a strategy, although I recall reading that Legacy (Beau?) Biden is ready to step into pops’ shoes in the Senate.  Junior Biden’s probably gettin’ prophylactic hairplugs as we speak.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-394799"><em>Fini FiniTOOBZ! @<br />
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<blockquote><p>What is the thinking behind primary challenges in 2008 to hold-your-nose Dems like Senator Evan Bayh? Should we let sleeping dogs lie or should we be on the lookout for better progressive primary challengers? The war issue makes Bayh vulnerable as hell here because Indiana has lost a lot of troops in Iraq and it was a primary motivation for turning this state blue this time around. An antiwar progressive that could challenge the former head of the DLC (and one of its founders too I think) for the Senate nomination while Bayh is running for the Veep position on the 2008 POTUS ticket could do well here.</p>
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<p>The trick is to get the intended “target,” whether Dem or GOP, to look beyond his/her next election, i.e. get them to break the Bill Clinton Rule: Never look beyond the next election.  Bill learned this when he lost the Governorship of Arkansas after his (I think) first two-year term.  Ambitious, touted and bright, he knew great things were in his future, and (iirc) he forgot he needed to get re-elected to his then-current job.  We all heard Bill spouting this His Rule when asked about her Prez ambitions during Hill’s campaign for re-election to the Senate in 2006. </p>
<p>An recent and satisfying example of breaking this Rule to one’s detriment may be found in soon-to-former Senator Macacawitz of Virginia, who said in early 2006 in Iowa while campaigning for the GOP Presidential nomination that the Senate moved too slow and bored him.  Bored now, Felix?  I thought so.</p>
<p>So, if Evan Bayh’s Senate seat were up in 2008 — here’s the <a href="http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/two_column_table/Class_II.htm">link</a> to Class II Senators whose terms expire in January 2009 and he’s not — he could be induced to focus on the Prez/Veep campaign, losing his focus on the need to get re-elected in the same year.</p>
<p>On the other hand, OtherJoe appears vulnerable to such a strategy, although I recall reading that Legacy (Beau?) Biden is ready to step into pops’ shoes in the Senate.  Junior Biden’s probably gettin’ prophylactic hairplugs as we speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Bay State Librul</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/25/latest-on-the-mccainlieberman-war/#comment-394855</link>
		<dc:creator>Bay State Librul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t you think McCain is a “low talker”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JJ&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t you think McCain is a “low talker”?</p>
<p>JJ</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 00:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GSD,&lt;br /&gt;
 thanks for the great recipe for cornbread dressing, so much better than the box stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Angie!&lt;br /&gt;
 You remember back when you mentioned Badger Balm? I got some. It got me through a Thanksgiving bout of psoriasis. THANK YOU.  Wonderful stuff!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GSD,<br />
 thanks for the great recipe for cornbread dressing, so much better than the box stuff.</p>
<p>Angie!<br />
 You remember back when you mentioned Badger Balm? I got some. It got me through a Thanksgiving bout of psoriasis. THANK YOU.  Wonderful stuff!</p>
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