LandOfTheFree @ 56

It’s freaking amazing to me that our “best case scenario” Bush is reaching for is to make Iraq a somewhat politically and economically stable country without WMDs (sorta like it was under Saddam.)

Concise.

ROFL – no one has ever accused me of being concise!

For instance the 3% allocation to training of the 140,000? That would be (labeled whatever the Rupblicans want) a Democratic plan – biggest Dem with by 2004 was Kerry. Anyway anybody but a dunce could figure that out, so its essentially a non-W having it idea.
Is the plan just that one talking point plus one or so more, or is it a full plan that will save lives and can be debated in order to improve it via democracy?

If that’s all they got they better start fixing some other problems damn fast like intra-US disaster, asset &/or income disparity, energy futures, and education/media/broadband as a few starts.

Since Republicans will not do that all we can count on is an attempt at some rich persons plan for immigration (loopholes so they can still hire illegals either intra-US or by changing the law to limit it to people rich enough to out-source to other nations with bull laws (formaly know as bills, amendments, and before that proposed amendments [note: earmarks]). The President will apply the sugar coat, so not sure if that is all he will have to hung his legacy on other than Gulf War 2.

The Republicans should not be allowed to bring more than one of their other bull ideas back to the floor, they can pick Estate Tax, or Social Security Privatization to get voted down. Other than that let them veto more than one bill and see what happens.

Democrats should do health care, energy futures, and assest & income disparty (include broadband & net nutrality here). They will also have to break out Housing & Real Estate with taxes. They will also be required to fix Plan D if needed,

Both should work together on Iraq, primarily 9/11 Terror Sponsers, and have new people leading this with Democrats of course running the House.

Democrats will also run the investigations on stealing in Iraq. Thou shalt not steal.
The guy that lost 8 billion I heard on the radio, it was very bad. He said he did not know and did not think it mattered where the $8 Billion was. He did not care. It did not dawn on him, it was not a thought to him that it could have saved the life and injury of at least one soldier, and I think more. That is what makes people angry, and to know how to vote.

How to work on taxes and the defense budget is hard. To work with the self-righteous crowd in the Repulican side that think they know taxes and own that issue, that’s going to want to make people puke in their mouth again. Throw the 8 Billion they don’t care about, and free Billions of $’s to a few companies to waste and private fingers in the Tax Payers till. And the fact that the stopped the accountants from looking at whats left

Despite the overwhelming majority of Americans voting for withdraw from Iraq there is no one in the junta talking about bring our troops home. They are in fact planning for an increase of 20,000 troops. The mix of Army Soldiers and Marines will be used for two missions: first to secure Baghdad and second to move against the revived Sunni insurgency operating in Anbar province.

What they are telling us is that they plan to do a big push in the training of Iraqi units and once “they stand up we’ll stand down.” a meaningless lie that the shrub worshippers still buy. B ut just like the good old days of our involvement in Central America our soldiers will be operating with Iraqi units down to the plattoon level in combat opertations. Not training but directing and sometimes leading Iraqi units as they fight their fellow Iraqis.

Vietnimization=Iraqinization only with Iraq we have no plan to go home.

And so it goes

I don’t want a slow withdrawal either, I want them out yesterday but Holt would be awesome as chair of intelligence. He has bucked the administration more than a lot of Dems in the House and voted against the war.

He does not seem to be beholden to anyone.

You are preaching to the converted here… and beyond.

At this point the wheels have come off the curtain has been pushed aside.. the naked truth is no longer being repackaged with lies… well hardly.

The problem is no one can admit that in plain terms:

The attack was savage and “successful”
There was no mission other than occupying and regime change. (OIL)
Saddam is gone, the regime has been changed
It’s their country… let them sort out their own problems.
We owe them war reparations in CASH
We need to get out ASAP

Let the UN handle the matter.. at our direct expense…we pay for their efforts.

Convene some truth and reconciliation investigations in the Bushco and conduct trials for war crimes, torture, treason and LYING … remember that one?

Probably begin an impeachment and hoepfully convict these criminals who stole our government and trashed the nation’s reputation, constitution and squandard a trillion dollars killing hundreds of thousands of innocents.

War today kills innocent civilians and warriers walk away largely.

We are seriously messed up as a nation and someone(s) need to pay for it. Jail time. Big time.

Impeachment Happens–

I understand your apprehension, but they couldn’t be more dissimilar! The thread that windje linked to will reassure you and make you a fan, too!

Okay, sounds like a good guy. But I worry about a slow withdrawal. If the Iraqi gov’t/police step up then doesn’t a slow withdrawal leave our troops at greater risk while they’re still there?

Did anyone by any chance see Bill Maher last week with Dana Priest?

The BullGoose hires on with Holy Joe. They can celebrate their glorious victory in Iraq together.

OT: Breaking News @MSNBC Presisent Pardons Two Turkeys.

What Ya think Libby & Cheney?

Naw, they’re chickenhawks.