
Thomas Ricks, author of Fiasco and long-time military affairs reporter, had a very disturbing portrait in the WaPo of the mess that is the "training" of the Iraqi "military":
Some advisers reported being personally targeted by infiltrators. "We had insurgents that we detected and arrested in the battalion that were planning an operation against me and my team," Allen said.But Iraqi officers may have had even more to fear, because their families were also vulnerable. "I went through seven battalion commanders in eight weeks," Allen noted. Dixon reported that in Samarra both his battalion commander and intelligence officer deserted just before a major operation.
Iraqis also had some complaints about their U.S. advisers, most notably that junior U.S. officers who had never seen combat were counseling senior Iraqi officers who had fought in several wars. "Numerous teams have lieutenants . . . to fill the role of advisor to an Iraqi colonel counterpart," the Lessons Learned report stated.
Farrell, the officer in east Baghdad, said some advisers were literally "phoning in" their work. Some would not leave the forward operating base "more than one or two days out of the week -- instead they would just call the Iraqis on cellphones," he said.
Dixon was grim about the experience. "Would I want to go back and do it again?" he asked. His unambiguous answer: "No."
Hmmm...don't I recall folks in the Bush Administration saying things were going great with the training? Why, yes, I do. But have officers -- both former and current been critical of the poor way things have been handled and the way that it puts our troops and the stability of the entire nation of Iraq even more at risk the longer we allow things to continue along this failing path? Why, yes, they have:
Bing West, a former Marine officer who runs a government-consulting firm and who has been to Iraq numerous times captured the situation thusly:"140,000 American soldiers, 3,000 advisors. My goodness gracious, less than two percent. If you're serious about building up the Iraqi forces there's something wrong with that equation. I think just coming back from Iraq that really throughout our ranks you sense they know that. They get it. So almost independent of the Congress and the executive branch, the military is most likely going to move in a major way – reducing the overall forces but really building up the advisors. Why? If you go to any Iraqi battalion or any police unit, the first thing the advisors there tell you is they can't stand without us. They're not ready yet and probably will not be for several more years. So if you hear one chorus from over there, it's to embed more Americans with the Iraqis – then you don't need as many Americans."
Jay Garner, the retired Army general who was the American viceroy in Iraq until he was shoved out by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in 2003, was also on the panel. Garner gave the problem some scale by offering a guesstimate on how many Iraqi units still need significant advising and training.
"What we have right now is a 100-plus certified Iraqi battalions – about 110, I think," Garner said. "I'm not sure what certified means but it does not mean that they're capable of operating by themselves. A few of them are maybe somewhere between five and ten." Each Iraqi battalion has between 400 and 600 men.
So almost the entirety of the Iraqi forces being called certified that can't operate effectively without being "robustly advised" in Garner's words.
Thomas Hammes, a retired Marine colonel who wrote "The Sling and the Stone: On War in the 21st Century," said during a recent National Public Radio interview that we need 60 U.S. advisors with each battalion instead of the current 10.
They would need to be non-commissioned officers and officers and maintained for "a very long period of time." This would mean an additional 10,000 to 20,000 U.S. troops being sent to Iraq.
Is it me, or does it seem as though the President of the United States is asking our military officers and the innocent citizens in Iraq to just keep on filing duplicate copies of useless TPS Reports in the hopes that lining up the paperwork will somehow make the whole mess go away? And how depressing is it that George Bush as Lumbergh in "Office Space" is a comparison that works altogether too well?
But it gets even worse, as Frank James of the Chicago Tribune describes:
Not only does the U.S. military not have enough service members devoted to advising and training, but as Ricks's piece indicates, many of the people we've assigned to advise Iraqi forces don't have the right skills or experience to do the job.All the experts I've listened to recently expect the Iraq Study Group led by former Secretary of State James Baker and Lee Hamilton, the former Indiana congressman, to recommend that the U.S. ramp up its advisory and training activities. That is a key part of any responsible exit strategy.
But as Ricks's story and other evidence indicates, the U.S. is frighteningly far from where it needs to be if we are, in good conscience, to move our forces from Iraq and leave behind an indigenous military adequate to the task of dealing with the insurgency and sectarian violence.
In other words, it is even more of a mess than those of us pessimistic souls already know it to be. Much worse. Just reading the last few days at Juan Cole's blog has made sleep difficult, and this catch by Laura Rozen earlier regarding Iraqis who have now sought asylum in Scandanavian nations should give everyone pause.
Someone is going to need to sit down with the Shrub soon and have a talk. Because the rose-colored glasses schtick isn't working with anyone whose brain has half a working synapse, and it is getting worse by the hour in Iraq. And it is worth asking, over and over again until someone gets a straight answer, where the President got the idea that the Vietnam war was winnable with just a few more bombs? Because if that is the perspective that he and his advisors bring to the table in any consideration on Iraq, then we are going long and then some...until some time after 2008, at the very least.
This is a mess of George Bush's making, of his choosing, of his pushing. The accountability for this failure is at his feet.
The neocons bear a lot of responsibility for pushing their agenda and failed "flowers and candy" idiocy along -- they are not even remotely blameless in this no matter how quickly Richard Perle tries to scuttle away from the bright lights and back into whatever lair he resides in the off-political-seasons. And Adelman and his ilk sure don't get a pass either.
But Iraq and its endless ripples of violence and hatred and cultural and secular division...this will all be laid at George Bush's feet as his legacy, his Presidency, his monumental hubris and failure.
It is past time for accountability.
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we will never fully appreciate what kind of moron donald rumsfeld is
can’t wait till january and the democrats BETTER put in some SERIOUS time investigating THESE MORONS
Morning — got the coffee going, and The Peanut and I are snuggled under a blanket this morning watching cartoons. It’s a good day here.
Milton got the last laugh.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 3
g’mornin 2 u t christy
how do u type snuggled in?
I wait till L8ter when I’m snuggled
Morningall
Redd, That is one of the most disturbing things I have heard come out of Iraq and a while. It will be ipossible for Iraqi troops to stand up so we can stand down.
The entire premise is hollow.
Sigh. Ed Koch has an email based blog. Yesterday he floated the idea that the US set a date by which we would withdraw UNLESS our allies joined us in significant numbers.
Problem is, whatever few allies we still have are already there (the brits, the aussies, etc).
Sigh
Redd
Sent you another full set of motion papers. Check your email when you get a chance.
off to work now
just heard on the tv that shrub is planning a couple days in Iraq so he can “make up his mind” about what to do…
does that thought make anyone else nervous? what kind of mess is he going to create with his little visit?
This was the lead story on CBS News last night. Complaints from colonels that the training that most of the trainers went through was useless, and even with the new improved training program at the Army counterinsurgency school was graduating far too few trainers. I don’t think I ever heard a colonel complain on TV about our effort in Iraq — I thought only enlisted, retired generals, or maybe a stray lieutenant or two felt safe enough to complain publically. Is this a function of Rumsfeld’s Reign of Terror coming to an end?
Strajee?
Stay the Corpse, essentially, (calling it everything else) till 2009, when it becomes someone else’s problem.
Except that there are these Terrist Enemies out there that lurk and plot and plan their tack-ticks.
Amazing. The “strongest army in the world” is being pushed out of Iraq. Heckuvajob, W.
_
OldCoastie– last eve I heard that he was meeting al-Maliki in Jordan! Guess his handlers decided he would look too much like the chicken…hawk that he is.
btw, Chitra Ragavan talking about Iraq now and Bill Press (with Peter Brookes) follows on cspan1
OT:
Apparently, Dirk Dirksen died in his sleep on Sunday.
Condolences to his family, Jane, Howie, and the Mabuhay crew.
lhp at 7 — thanks much!
Maybe some good news here:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._1121.html
OT: Ugh.
Food poisoning from, of all places, the buffet at Whole Foods last night. Long night. I feel like. . . well, you know.
So sorry, Pach! ;(
Feel better soon.
BobbyG @ 10
my new tag line when describing bush’s “strategy”…very very nice, wothy of a title piece
IS the MSM now willing to report? What is going on here?
WaPo and CBS both covering this story? Weird. Wonderful.
Digby has a great post up about reporting.
I guess there’s time for some metablogging after an election and before turkey.
OldCoastie @
8
Did you read about the carbomb inside the Green zone? Im wondering if that is why Bush will meet Maliki in Jordan instead of Iraq
And the failures can also be measured in Iraqi blood, as the Associate Press report:
Iraqi civilian deaths at new high
Didn’t see figures this high in your daily newspaper?
And who are the killers?
and the victims?
Of course, it’s just the United-f***ing-Nations writing this stuff, not some body with credibility:
Those would be the official government reports that keep careful track of such things.
And why isn’t this kind of information readily available for the public and policymakers to consider?
There’s a word for such disinformation, right? I just can’t remember quite what the word is.
Prof @ 20
Didn’t see figures this high in your daily newspaper?
And who are the killers?
and the victims?
Of course, it’s just the United-f***ing-Nations writing this stuff, not some body with credibility:
Those would be the official government reports that keep careful track of such things.
And why isn’t this kind of information readily available for the public and policymakers to consider?
There’s a word for such disinformation, right? I just can’t remember quite what the word is.
serious good stuff there…thanx for all of that
angie at 11 — I think I may have gone to college with Chitra. I’ve been thinking that name sounded familiar, but seeing her on C-Span really jogs my memory. I think she was a couple of years behind me in undergrad and lived in my house my sophomore year. She looks really familiar.
She’s one smart lady, Christy. I wouldn’t be suprised at all! :)
and I want to add: great writing this morning, Christie. Great and depressing and poignant and laserlike in its focus.
Thanks for FDL.
Pach at 15 — oh no! So sorry for you — that is the worst!
Prof at 24 — thanks much. The constant stream of idiocy and deception really ticks me off. January cannot come soon enough for me for some oversight.
Speakin of Congress- what’s the lame duck congress up to- days go by with no news- don’t they wanna go home by Christmas? Are they just prolonging the joy of bein in the majority? What the fuck they doin?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 26
you know what I’m getting a kick out of christy?
whenever I’m in conversation with wing nut, I bring up palosi with something like;
“we can thank our stars Americans recognized how inept the republican leadership was and finally put someone competent in charge of congress…we will finally get things done, bring our military back up to the strength she had before the republicans took control.
unlike the morons controlling the republican party, palosi is going to put national security, and government over site back on the front burner where it’s been sorely missed”
hehe…drives them nutz
rw at 27 — I heard from someone last week that they had spent several hours passing a resolution in support of Christmas tree manufacturers. Because, you know, appropriations bills are apparently only for the last minute rush. *rolls eyes*
Bush goin ta Jordan…Think he’ll actually SLEEP there? OR will the US have ta move an aircraft carrier into range so that the Cowardly Prince can sleep protected?
Redd– Yer shittin me? Christmas trees? Unfuckinbelievable…
Did they pass a law against burnin Christmas trees?
rwcole @
30
in all fairness, this president surely needs that kind of protection, he is the most hated head of state in generations
can’t really call him cowardly and I am amazed he is even leaving the states
the last thing we need right now is an assassination and I’m glad he’s being prudent with his safety
They’re askin for a law against Christmas tress gettin married?
rwcole @ 34
I think they want to allow Christmas trees getting married to American flags
Somethin bout Christmas tree embryos?
Agh…I just spent an hour trying to read last night’s and this morning’s threads…and I’m really supposed to be cleaning house and cooking.
Somebody kick my behind and make me leave. Those potatoes aren’t going to peel themselves!!!
Must say, though, that I feel so damned, uh, normal, for once in a long time. I don’t feel like the feds are going to show up and take me away for questioning; the press might do its job eventually (a la Leibovich in NYT); and I’m certainly more screwed in than that debacle that was Mrs.&Mr. Spears.
And now off to that kitchen!!
rwcole @ 36
seedcell research
Tax Cuts fer christmas trees.
There are only a few things that these clowns actually do.
rw at 39 — not even trees, but the faux tree manufacturers. You know, have to protect the domestic Christmas tree manufacturing market from those evil foreign tree makers…because that is the absolutely most important problem in the US at this moment.
O.o
They’re askin for a law against Christmas tress gettin married?
I support the rights of bundles of sticks.
rwcole @ 39
they could run on that slogan
then when elected, they would tax you every time you cut the christmas tree and say that’s what they really meant, they didn’t mean they would lower your taxes, they meant they would tax you for cuts into christmas trees
rwcole @ 27
They’re adjourning the session on Dec. 8. Apparently, they HAD a busy agenda planned. Now, not so much.
Ya mean we HAVE artificial Christmas Tree manufacturers?
Probably one company—in Georgia—who makes thousand dollar christmas trees for Neiman Markup.
rwcole @
27
The lame duck GOP is going to punt the spending bills that should have been passed by 10/1/06 into 2007, and leave the mess for the Dems to clean up. From Patrick O’Conner in The Hill yesterday:
There’s more - or should I say, there’s less? - about the “progress” of the GOP to get anything done before Christmas. The hard core fiscal conservatives don’t want to sign on to a bunch of pork as their last act in the majority, and another group of GOP folks would love to screw with Pelosi’s “First 100 Hours” by leaving this in her lap.
When are the grownups getting to town again?
Dec 8th? What about that laundry list of things ta do they got from Clusterfuck? Gonna spit it all out by the 8th? Ain’t he gonna be PISSED at em?
Lindy @ 44
thank goodness for small favors…how would we deal with lieberman voting for cloture on our filibusters to the president’s nominations and his torture, no warrant, no oversite bills
No wonder Clusterfuck’s leavin town–avoids bein around when the gooper congress gives him an “up yours” on his legislative demands..
This is what Lame Duck smells like!!
Soy sauce with that?
I was thinking about the wurlitzer. I wonder if a few licensure threats might make a difference? When you report “news”, report the facts or lose the license.
I think the Wurlitzer has some broken keys- well several–well maybe MOST of em– actually the Wurlitzer has only ONE key workin a shrill high F- for fucked.
off 2 worl, enjoy teh morning firedogs
Ah, I remember when I used to write great, cover-the-waterfront Iraq posts like this. Awesome writing, Christy.
And thanks, angie@14, for the Raw Story tip. That’s exactly what Pelosi & Co. should be doing.
snowbird42 @ 19
I have a feeling that’s the reason, too. Even the Green Zone isn’t safe enough anymore.
Maybe have the newspapers report errors of fact prominently on page 1. Of course, that would bump headline news to page two.
what disturbs me most is this passage…
it seems to me that we’re going to be creating a whole flock of “sitting ducks” if we up the number of “US advisors” who actually show up and work with Iraqi units on a daily basis….
Jesus, this article makes me furious.
Why in the hell does anyone in the Bush administration think they can “win” this Iraqi war, or even get the Iraqis to “stand up so we can stand down” when this is how we’re training Iraqi forces?
Nevermind the fact that it is replusive altogether to assume the Iraqis will “stand up so we can stand down” after we destroyed their country, their infrastructure, disbanded their military and police, and have killed hundreds of thousands. Yeah, it’s their job to “stand up” and fix everything we royally messed up “for them”.
It’s freaking amazing to me that our “best case scenario” Bush is reaching for is to make Iraq a somewhat politically and economically stable country without WMDs (sorta like it was under Saddam.)
Oh, and nice to read that the GOP do-nothing congress is keeping up their work ethic through the end of the year.
These Republicans are so arrogant, it makes me furious that they’re in charge of anything. No wonder we have a mess in DC, and a mess in Iraq, and a mess in Afghanistan, and so on…
Uh-oh. Former Sen. John Edwards on Martha Stewart this morning.
Definitely prepping for a run.
LandOfTheFree @ 56
Concise.
They want to fund the building of a wall around all the foreign Christmas trees and to make a law against calling Christmas trees “fir” trees as part of the effort to win the “war against Christmas.”
had to post this before getting serious work going;
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3826
a watchdog working for diebold (trying to change the word “whistleblower” to “watchdog”,much more descriptive) tells usn diebold can’t be trusted
like we didn’t know this, but it’s comming internally which is very nice
Here is the thing. Their aren’t any magic solutions for rectifying the horror that this Iraq adventure has become. None! All the King’s men and all the King’s horses [The Baker Commission] aren’t going to put this country back together again.
Looking for solutions is a waste of time and worse. The worse is the god awful toll on our troops, their families and the people of Iraq as we look for that elusive magic bullet.
The only thing to do is get out. This will have very adverse consequences. They are; however, much preferable to the consequences of staying.
OT but Macaca leaves a stain on the Senate:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11.....mp;emc=rss
prof@20, thanks for the summary of the civilian deaths and our media silence.
The high number of attacks on education, professionals, and women
makes me wonder if we are watching the early days of an Iraqi Taliban Movement. It makes sense in terms of the targets and the terror. A Taliban revolution would look a lot like what’s being reported.
Off Topic:
Mention of ‘magic bullet’ puts me thinkin’ a short post noting ‘Six Seconds in Dallas’ on this date in 1963 would be welcome. (Speaking for myself.)
I saw the recent posting of JFK’s definition of ‘liberal’, guess it was part of a speech. Might be worth fuller exploration.
Anyway, just a thought.
http://www.assassinationscience.com/sixsec.html
Interesting read by Tom Hayden over at HuffPo:
more here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....34675.html
Furious.
Here’s my prediction. When hearings start- and it may not be until after Shrubya has left the building- they will find the heart of his cowardice. They will turn up incontrovertible evidence against him, things will get ugly and he will not be able to face the music.
He will become a felodese.
Blank Kludge @ 64
Yes, I was thinking that too, but not trying to hijack the thread. When you say “post” do you mean “thread.” If so, Christy go any plans in this direction?
I’ve been trying to shift the perception of the war/occupation with my friend who’s nominally a Republican (though he frequently votes for Democrats these days.) His workplace has Fox News on much of the time, and it’s frightening to see how it seeps into the brain — he’s picked up the meme of “the terrorists see the election as showing we’ve lost our will because the Dems want to pull out of Iraq.”
People hate to lose, so I don’t think “we’ve already lost” is by itself effective (even if it’s true.) I think it’s better to say that Bush chose put us in a no-win situation, where we can either give “the terrorists” a one-time propaganda victory (for which they’ll get an argument from the insurgency, most of which isn’t “the terrorists”) or we can give them an ongoing propaganda victory as they fight us to a stalemate, plus giving them a training ground against our forces and tactics, at the cost of hundreds of lives and billions of dollars a week.
Now which option do think serves our interests better?
So what do you guys think of this line of argument?
retirin’ at 67 — I have something planned for a little later today on that…
angie @ 62
Feh. If he had a shred of honesty, he would have named it the “George Allen NRA Endorsement Act.”
Just a humble request for ‘thread’ - but something short and (bitter)sweet.
Like I said, folks have quoted (part of a speech I think) a nice definition of ‘liberal’.
A quick para about the President, and a link to the speech would suffice.
—
I’ll defer to management’s wisdom.
Peace.
Will the Warren Commission and the Baker Commission be the bookends of the American Empire?
Oh, to return to being a half-assed republic.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
Thanks, Christy. Hope it’s not too late. When my better half gets home it’s usually mortal-marital combat for “tubes’ access. I’ll be watchin’ for it. Your thread that is. Not the marital combat.
That’s the problem with Macaca, he never had a shred of honesty Redshift.
I am so thankful for much this Thanksgiving, but getting rid of Felix is near the tippy-top!
I’m still pinching myself that Webb won.
Lindy @
44
They were thinking “hey, we’ve still got a majority, right, let’s get us some stuff passed before the evil Dems take over” and they were sooo excited until they noticed big sister Pelosi glaring at them over her granny glasses, clutching a ruler in her hand, tapping it into her palm and slowly shaking her head no and they remembered that they had some other stuff to do and they weren’t really going to steal any cookies, they were just checking to see how many were left in the jar and look over there at those chinamen bringing some trees so shiney and stuff and what say we check them for girl cooties ’cause *THWACK* owooowoouch I think we’ll go now.
Mommybrain @
66
I’ve never seen that word before. Is it like “felo de se?”
OT:
GOP’s Jean Schmidt Declared Winner In Contested Ohio Race…
Not all that believable really. The person who calls Murtha a coward on the floor on the House is re-elected in an election that people vote based on corruption and the war.
Good Morning Firedogs and Christy
on a related note:
for anyone who has read Fiasco by Thomas Ricks -
this guy is soon to be Commander of Multinational Corps in Iraq
http://stevegilliard.blogspot......ox_20.html
Oh, and in addition to all these training disasters, there’s the fact that actually has gotten some coverage in the past, that we’re not giving the Iraqi forces armor or helicopters (those things that are essential to our fighting the insurgents) because we can’t trust them not to give them to the insurgents or turn them on us.
Where was I when Kennedy was shot? I was working as a clerk in an insurance company trying to figure out what to do with my life right after high school.
A voice said on the loud speaker that the president had been shot. When he was pronounced dead, they adjounred work and nobody went back for 4 days. The earth stood still, and I, only 17 at the time, cried as I watched the T.V. To go from Kennedy being our president to this fool, shows the path America is taking.
On another note, best ‘payback’ laugh recently was reading that Pelosi is going to keep the house in session after swearing in the new people so that they can get to work right away. Oh, the wailing we will hear…
(Backtracking a little…)
David Olsen @
42
I get it. :-) And I agree.
Egregious, I am so jealous…I have Sen Evan Blah representing me. Lugar is ok but sold his soul to become a Bush apparatchik. Webb rocks!
Oops, looks like Christy will be doing some thread weaving later about Kennedy’s tragic death. Looks like I jumped the gun…
Story of my recent days — I am either the last post on a thread or making statements out of context. I am definitely ‘not with the flow.’ Unrelently worry does that to me.
OT -
Holt is not the ranking member of the committee and the politics don’t favor his appointment, but logic and the congressman’s credentials favor it, and the netroots should favor the congressman as well.
Any kossacks out there that can help get this on the recommend list?
Name Holt to Chair the House Intelligence Committee
I like Rush Holt.
A lot.
OT: Breaking News @MSNBC Presisent Pardons Two Turkeys.
What Ya think Libby & Cheney?
angie @ 86
I don’t know anything about Rush Holt but I must admit, anyone named Rush makes me nervous.
OldCoastie @ 8
What, an announced visit? Lasting more than a few hours? Will Bush (gasp!) leave the airport and enter the Green Zone?
My prediction: not going to happen.
Impeachment Happens–
I understand your apprehension, but they couldn’t be more dissimilar! The thread that windje linked to will reassure you and make you a fan, too!
rwcole @ 32
Did they give the President the powers he needs to win the War on Christmas?
The first professionally trained full time army is generally credited to Philip II of Macedonia 23 centuries ago. These assholes have forgotten 23 centuries of history.
scscomp @
87
Naw, they’re chickenhawks.
Did somebody say turkey?
The BullGoose hires on with Holy Joe. They can celebrate their glorious victory in Iraq together.
angie @ 90
Okay, sounds like a good guy. But I worry about a slow withdrawal. If the Iraqi gov’t/police step up then doesn’t a slow withdrawal leave our troops at greater risk while they’re still there?
Did anyone by any chance see Bill Maher last week with Dana Priest?
New thread, y’all.
Redd,
You are preaching to the converted here… and beyond.
At this point the wheels have come off the curtain has been pushed aside.. the naked truth is no longer being repackaged with lies… well hardly.
The problem is no one can admit that in plain terms:
The attack was savage and “successful”
There was no mission other than occupying and regime change. (OIL)
Saddam is gone, the regime has been changed
It’s their country… let them sort out their own problems.
We owe them war reparations in CASH
We need to get out ASAP
Let the UN handle the matter.. at our direct expense…we pay for their efforts.
Convene some truth and reconciliation investigations in the Bushco and conduct trials for war crimes, torture, treason and LYING … remember that one?
Probably begin an impeachment and hoepfully convict these criminals who stole our government and trashed the nation’s reputation, constitution and squandard a trillion dollars killing hundreds of thousands of innocents.
War today kills innocent civilians and warriers walk away largely.
We are seriously messed up as a nation and someone(s) need to pay for it. Jail time. Big time.
New thread.
I don’t want a slow withdrawal either, I want them out yesterday but Holt would be awesome as chair of intelligence. He has bucked the administration more than a lot of Dems in the House and voted against the war.
He does not seem to be beholden to anyone.
None of that matters the plan after the initial invasion was to keep a rotating garrison of 30,000 US troops in Iraq to be the sword to threaten the rest of the middle east. That plan has not changed it has simply been delayed.
Despite the overwhelming majority of Americans voting for withdraw from Iraq there is no one in the junta talking about bring our troops home. They are in fact planning for an increase of 20,000 troops. The mix of Army Soldiers and Marines will be used for two missions: first to secure Baghdad and second to move against the revived Sunni insurgency operating in Anbar province.
What they are telling us is that they plan to do a big push in the training of Iraqi units and once “they stand up we’ll stand down.” a meaningless lie that the shrub worshippers still buy. B ut just like the good old days of our involvement in Central America our soldiers will be operating with Iraqi units down to the plattoon level in combat opertations. Not training but directing and sometimes leading Iraqi units as they fight their fellow Iraqis.
Vietnimization=Iraqinization only with Iraq we have no plan to go home.
And so it goes
How many talking points will the plan have, or will it be a real plan?
For instance the 3% allocation to training of the 140,000? That would be (labeled whatever the Rupblicans want) a Democratic plan - biggest Dem with by 2004 was Kerry. Anyway anybody but a dunce could figure that out, so its essentially a non-W having it idea.
Is the plan just that one talking point plus one or so more, or is it a full plan that will save lives and can be debated in order to improve it via democracy?
If that’s all they got they better start fixing some other problems damn fast like intra-US disaster, asset &/or income disparity, energy futures, and education/media/broadband as a few starts.
Since Republicans will not do that all we can count on is an attempt a