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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;ll Never Fly, Orville!</title>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/20/itll-never-fly-orville/#comment-390259</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And this is going to stop FOX’s ratings drop how?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, kidz — FOX started on its downward spiral when it became apparent to its casual viewers that THEY WERE BEING LIED TO:  On Iraq, On Social Security, On Terri Schiavo, On Katrina, et cetera.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is going to stop FOX’s ratings drop how?</p>
<p>Sorry, kidz — FOX started on its downward spiral when it became apparent to its casual viewers that THEY WERE BEING LIED TO:  On Iraq, On Social Security, On Terri Schiavo, On Katrina, et cetera.</p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
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		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-390075&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GrandmaJ @ 284&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Carville should join the Connecticut for Lieberman party.  I hear there is only one member so far.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like one too many for the liking of someone like Carville. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-390075"><em>GrandmaJ @ 284</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Carville should join the Connecticut for Lieberman party.  I hear there is only one member so far.</p>
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<p>Sounds like one too many for the liking of someone like Carville. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GrandmaJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrandmaJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carville should join the Connecticut for Lieberman party.  I hear there is only one member so far.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carville should join the Connecticut for Lieberman party.  I hear there is only one member so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-390054&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Renee in Ohio @ 274&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; So, if you “let yourself go”, your pastor husband might turn to men?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Renee, good catch!&lt;br /&gt;
That poor wife….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-390054"><em>Renee in Ohio @ 274</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> So, if you “let yourself go”, your pastor husband might turn to men?</p>
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<p> Renee, good catch!<br />
That poor wife….</p>
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		<title>By: John Casper</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread: &lt;em&gt;“You become responsible forever”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread: <em>“You become responsible forever”</em></p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/20/itll-never-fly-orville/#comment-390067</link>
		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-390065&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 279&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Henry Kissinger. This rich old man wreaks. Of the scent of death.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, but more like the “cent of death.” I’m pretty sure he works on commission…. :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-390065"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 279</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Henry Kissinger. This rich old man wreaks. Of the scent of death.</p>
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<p>Yeah, but more like the “cent of death.” I’m pretty sure he works on commission…. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick 4/4</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/20/itll-never-fly-orville/#comment-390066</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick 4/4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/20/you-become-responsible-forever/#comments&quot;&gt;New thread&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/20/you-become-responsible-forever/#comments">New thread</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma kiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oklahoma kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Henry Kissinger. This rich old man wreaks. Of the scent of death.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry Kissinger. This rich old man wreaks. Of the scent of death.</p>
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		<title>By: moi</title>
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		<dc:creator>moi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-390054&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Renee in Ohio @ 275&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just saw Olbermann talking about Michael Weiner Savage and his latest rantings about gays, Olbermann saying, “Come out of the closet already!” That tangentially reminded me of &lt;a href=&quot;http://frjakestopstheworld.blogspot.com/2006/11/misogynist-mark-warns-of-bunny-bishops.html&quot;&gt;something I read earlier today&lt;/a&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You may have heard of Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill megachurch in Seattle. It appears that Mark has a blog in which he regularly flaunts his machismo under the cover of a supposed “Complementarian” view of gender roles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For instance, consider this quote from Mark regarding the sad story of Ted Haggard:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if you “let yourself go”, your pastor husband might turn to men?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and meth, don’t forget the meth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo&amp;eurl=&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&amp;eurl=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-390054"><em>Renee in Ohio @ 275</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Just saw Olbermann talking about Michael Weiner Savage and his latest rantings about gays, Olbermann saying, “Come out of the closet already!” That tangentially reminded me of <a href="http://frjakestopstheworld.blogspot.com/2006/11/misogynist-mark-warns-of-bunny-bishops.html">something I read earlier today</a>…</p>
<blockquote><p>You may have heard of Mark Driscoll, pastor of Mars Hill megachurch in Seattle. It appears that Mark has a blog in which he regularly flaunts his machismo under the cover of a supposed “Complementarian” view of gender roles.</p>
<p>For instance, consider this quote from Mark regarding the sad story of Ted Haggard:</p>
<p>    Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either.</p>
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<p>So, if you “let yourself go”, your pastor husband might turn to men?</p>
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<p>and meth, don’t forget the meth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo&amp;eurl=">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..&amp;eurl=</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cozumel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cozumel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 02:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given the stakes at hand, Bush must pay the domestic price, or thousands will have died in vain. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-15-letters-bush-iraq_x.htm?csp=34′&quot;&gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....=34′&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They didn’t give a doodly damn that their part in causing the United States to bug out of Vietnam caused over 58,000 of our fellow Americans to have died in vain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/1/105240.shtml&quot;&gt;http://www.newsmax.com/archive.....5240.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Same lame argument 40 years later. Let’s get more of them killed so they didn’t die in vain. HUH?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the stakes at hand, Bush must pay the domestic price, or thousands will have died in vain. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-03-15-letters-bush-iraq_x.htm?csp=34′">http://www.usatoday.com/news/o&#8230;..=34′</a></p>
<p>They didn’t give a doodly damn that their part in causing the United States to bug out of Vietnam caused over 58,000 of our fellow Americans to have died in vain.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/6/1/105240.shtml">http://www.newsmax.com/archive&#8230;..5240.shtml</a></p>
<p>Same lame argument 40 years later. Let’s get more of them killed so they didn’t die in vain. HUH?</p>
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