
Jamison Foser of Media Matters has a fantastic summation of the lack of balance in the media that is a must read this morning. (Found it via Atrios, and I'm most grateful. It is a wonderfully put together read and set of links.) Here is a portion that needs further emphasis:
It's easy enough to look past the obvious, if unintentional, double standard. After all, if the public isn't well-served by the sort of inane, substance-free mockery and derision to which the media have subjected progressives in recent years, such treatment of conservatives would merely even the score, not necessarily constitute a move toward more responsible treatment of serious issues. So we might see the lack of sophomoric taunting as a positive.
That would be a mistake. The political media aren't becoming more responsible; they're simply continuing to direct their scorn at Democrats and progressives. Just this week, media have hyped purported Democratic disarray while downplaying or ignoring altogether GOP infighting; falsely suggested that Nancy Pelosi is as unpopular as President Bush; asserted that Democrats — who do not yet actually control Congress and won't until next year — are "starting to feel some of the pressure" of catching Osama bin Laden without explaining how Bush and the GOP let him get away; and suggested that Nancy Pelosi, who hasn't even become speaker of the House yet, is already "damaged goods." Meanwhile, Trent Lott, who has as good a claim on being "damaged goods" as anyone, is the beneficiary of a media whitewash of his history of associating himself with racist organizations and ideas. Fox News, not typically known for subtlety or for downplaying controversy, told viewers that Lott "ran into a little bit of difficulty, but now he's making a comeback." Yes, that unpleasantness about his suggestion that America would be better off had a segregationist been elected president is behind him, and Lott is now ready, we presume, to act as a uniter, not a divider. Right.
Go and read the entire, glorious essay. Jamison is a treasure, and this is one of his best in a string of great ones this year. After you read it, you'll need a laugh — because it's incredibly frustrating to see the entire media imbalance spew laid out in meticulous detail and then not be peeved — so I'm including a link to Bob Geiger's round-up of the best in editorial cartoons. Some great ones this morning.
What can we do about the media issue? Short of continuing to call them on bullshit and pressuring them at every opportunity where it is needed, I'm stumped. Maybe we should throw a soiree with some cocktail weenies…now that's an attention grabber, I hear.



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Fitz!
Hehehe. Zed!
ROOTZ!
near-Zed!
and, of course -
Christy!
(and congrats to witchywoman on the race to the zed!)
Where da ya get them cocktail weenies? Are they the little canned “Vienna Sausages” or are the better gourmet cocktail weenies available.
My advice is, keep doing what you’re doing.
If you consistently throw a better party, somewhere else, the kool kidz will bend to your will. They can’t help themselves, it’s in their DNA.
Look at it this way — the pundits look down on politicians because they believe pols only exist to provide raw material for themselves. And now what have you gone and done? You’ve turned old media into something which only exists to provide raw material for you.
And they’re hating it.
I saw a swell chaffing dish at Costco yesterday— if I pick up one of those and a few pounds of weenies- then I’m in business? Oh yeah- the twenty gallons of wine!
rwcolw@5..in my part of the country they are called “vi-eee-nee” sausages.
I think it was in the Screwtape Letters that the demon whispered in the ears of otherwise well-intentioned people and convinced them to step over the line in myriad small ways that caused them to commit small mean acts of hate and deception. The result was to create a toxic environment of misery. This is the vision I have of Rethuglicans whispering to their media contacts and framing the story about the newly elected Democrats. How else would you end up with MSM stories of the first woman Speaker of the House denigrating her with the sexist terms “damaged goods” and “Nancy Shrew.”
kirk murphy @ 3
Thank you, kirk (blushes modestly)
It depressing me too. We’ve developed a presence on-line. You Tube is hot, at least until the corporate interests of Google screw it up. Perhaps we need to develop our own Internet radio and TV station. People seem to be migrating towards the Internet for that sort of thing.
REDD!
“What can we do about the media issue?” asks Christy.
Fight like hell for control in 2008 and remake the FCC into a sane body. Oh, hahaha, who am I kidding?
The latest news on the LA Times front is that a consortium of billionaires in the area is proposing to buy not just the Times but the entire Tribune syndicate. Word is they intend to dismantle it. The Times would again become a stand-alone paper. I say dismantling is a good thing.
Billionaires buying it is not necessarily a bad thing, at least when one of them is David Geffen. I think. What do any of you know about him a and/or his politics?
Read Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media, by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky, 1988 and 2002.
Just read it.
Then figure out how to make the internet stay free.
The figure out how bloggers survive without advertising or stay edgy with advertising.
Cause there’s no way to change the existing institutions. There is only the 500 channel universe, the internet, and narrow casting.
Luckily, 100,000 blog visitors a day to places like this or Kos or MyDD can produce a legion of people changing the memes.
But the blogs have to be the new media. Without the internet to aggregate and inform, the fascists will always win.
A lot of the stuff that irritates the most- goes right over the heads of most people- THEY DON’T SEE IT, HEAR IT, SMELL IT, OR TASTE IT.
Nancy Pelosi, for example, probably has about 15% name recognition. America doesn’t know (or care) who the hell she is- let alone who she supported for majority leader.
Makes it hard for the media scumbags to score many points with this bullshit.
Two more examples:
Headline on MSNBC right now: Liberals plan to ram measures through Congress
This headline on CCN has been changed since last night: Liberals make wish lists…
Yesterday it was front-paged and said: “Abortion, gay rights top liberals wish lists.”
The liberal media myth is the biggest crock going.
Go Blue!
There are enough liberal and lefty blogs now where a coherent effort would be able to produce a truly alternative daily news source. With a bit more effort, it could even be printed, or formatted for printout on one’s home computer.
There are now liberal and lefty content providers on the international, national, state, and local scene.
The major news media simply are — whether people remember it or not — structurally organized to oppose liberal and progressive policies and philosophies. This is not some conspiracy theory. It does not require the awareness or conscious consent of the individual reporters and editors. It is a business model — and their business is to propagate an idea of reality to Americans.
That means the business of the news media is ideology. When your product is ideology, those people engineering the ‘wrong’ product for your owners, shareholders, and relatedly involved businesses are quietly or openly gotten rid of, in large part.
It’s like wondering why all the major news media tend to push as hard as they can for an anti-union, anti-corporate regulation slant.
The Republicans have done them a favor: given the news media a public excuse to insult and demean liberal and progressive ideas — now since the Democrats are ‘in power’ their hatred of liberalism and progressivism can be clothed as ‘good government’ watchdogging.
Note that the hatred hasn’t changed; the excuse has.
Sure, some of the US’ uppermost classes and corporate powers grew to fear the consequences of Bush Jr. Republican misrule — they have a lot of money invested in the US, and it’s where their families grow up.
But that’s like wanting to get rid of an incompetent set of executives.
It doesn’t mean that suddenly they’re willing to part with their standard hatred of liberalism and leftism.
They will back the next war on command, and the next war, and the war after that. Whether it’s a direct invasion & occupation like Vietnam, Panama, or Iraq, or a ‘covert’ subversion of a terrorist army such as the Afghan Mujahedeen, the Nicaraguan ‘Contras’, or Mozambique’s & Angola’s UNITA and RENAMO murderers. The major media will back them.
They will back the next ‘trade’ deals which harm laborers here & abroad, as well as transferring regulatory authority out of the hands of citizens and into unelected panels of corporate flacks operating autonomously.
The major news media are never, ever, ever going to turn and be ‘our friends.’ They are companies, corporations, businesses, and businesses do what their business models lead them to do.
People like us either wake up and realize that we are fundamentally opposed to the control of news by a small number of highly ideological corporations, or we continue to be astonished and surprised when the news media we would really, really prefer to trust keeps being stupid and hateful towards liberalism.
I’m not sure how the blogs effect much- although perhaps they do. How many people read the blogs? Less than 20%? And of those, how many would ever read a blog that they didn’t know in advance that they agree with.
Most of the blogs seem ta be preachin to their own choir- so while they are invaluable for organizing activities- they aren’t really any kind of antidote to the main stream media for “news”.
Mommybrain @ 12
the Westside LA folks I knew thought You’re So Vain is about him…
Democracy Now! is an amazing media outlet, beholden to no corporation.
http://www.democracynow.org/about.shtml
No cocktail weenies here @ FDL and many other great blogs or there.
lisadawn82 @
11
Our little Phoenix Air America has morphed into Nova M Radio network. They have two stations right now and more in the works, they have put together investors and working on building progressive radio in the red markets.
http://www.novamradio.com/
They have Mike Malloy on every weekday evening which you can stream or podcast.
Buy the package- unbundle it- and sell off the pieces– lots of money has been made that way in the past. Not a bad plan.
I ordered the LA Times to get some decent political coverage (the local paper is a hopeless gooper rag)..Uhfortunately, at about hte time I ordered it- the Times decided to lay off national politics in it’s opinion page. Apparently they don’t want ta annoy Orange County… I need ta cancel the damned thing.
The sad thing is it’s not just the national media. One of the big hurdles we faced in Voisin’s campaign is that it’s a huge rural district and without the money to match Walden ad for ad we get creamed out there where people don’t use the internet at all and/or haven’t discovered the best the net has to offer on getting oneself informed. It’s all tv and newspapers still and they are owned by right-wingers.
Carol had her interview with the Bend Bulletin (one of the two biggish cities in our district) and the guy was clearly doing the bidding for his corporate master, interrupting her before she could even finish answering a question. Needless to say, the editorial he wrote was biased, incorrect, and fed into the stereotypes the readers already hold. I just don’t have an answer for how to overcome that. We all wrote LTE’s, but even though some get printed, they also have control over not printing the ones they don’t like.
Media–can we invite them one at a time to talk with us? It worked really well with Keith. He got me to reconsider my opinion of Norah O’Donnell.
Not everyone is hard core on the right. We might be able to get a dialogue going with some of them.
Let’s keep the momentum we’ve generated and build on it as we move toward ‘08. Just like Bush & Co. behave like they’re perpetually campaigning, so should we.
We in the blogosphere are the watchdogs, and as the media continues its lazy, spoon-fed version of events we must keep-up and increase our vigilence. I’m fighting them all the way to ‘08!
To Katymine @ 20 – Thanks for that info. I’ll have to look into it.
What might be helpful is to read whatever’s available on how average americans form their political opinions… Surely there’s some good stuff out there- and if we were familiar with it- we might be able to find a way to actually influence mainstream opinion…
It ain’t Rush- and it ain’t blogs and it ain’t cable news- those are places where people go AFTER they’ve made up their minds.
We need to take back the media one step at a time. I used to not watch or read local media and then I decided what I was doing is giving it to the Rethugs, letting them win. So I watch one news channel for a week, note when the screw up and call, send emails and letters.
Now as much as I hate wading through the AZ Republic(ian), I do the same there. Call them on their sh*t and provide facts for my points.
Start small, just your local TV channel, hold their feet to the fire and let them know that they are biased and that you are listening and paying attention.
rwcole @ 17
I’ve read somewhere (don’t remember exactly where) that it’s more like about 2%.
1,337 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
“What can we do about the media issue?”
I would like to suggest that all the resources of the blogs should be focused on maintaining and institutionalizing net neutrality…then let nature take it’s course with the evolution of communications and the devolution of corporate-cable news and information. (Net neutrality is a wedge issue that ken coalesce the right wing libertarians on our side.) If things are left to where they are now goin’ (and the corporate oligarchy is not gunna let go without a fight)corporate cable networks are gunna be 24 hr shoppin’ outlets and daily newspapers are gunna be weekly (read Sunday) advertising sheets.
Allowing the web to evolve and to keep the economy of the web “laizze fair” is the key to a democratic future.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP PASSIN THE AMMUNITION!!!
rwcole @
21
RW, I’m a newspaper brat. My dad moved all around, working for different papers, politicians, etc. He was on the editorial board of the times in the late 70’s and 80’s, when the vested interests in LA were screaming about how liberal the paper was.
I canceled my subscription to the Times on my way to YKOs this summer. I had finally had enough of their right tilt and political pandering. I feel naked. A good paper delivered to my door has been a part of my life for more than 50 years.
Now I make do with online delivery. But my browser doesn’t do a good job with the La Times, so my relationship with them is over for now.
What are we tryin to influence?
Well here’s a typical battle- Clusterfuck’s in the Nam sayin stupid things and makin a general nuisance of himself… Maybe 25% of americans know that he’s there. Those who do will form an impression- somehow- of what he’s up to from bits and pieces of information that they pick up during a busy day. Do they think that he’s over there workin hard ta make america free from North Korean nukes? – or do they think that he’s screwin the pooch again in a hopeless effort.. It is the SPIN of the MAJOR stories that makes the difference- often the HEADLINE.
Did y’all know that the English news channel of Al Jazeera was launched on Wednesday and that no American cable or satellite provider is carrying it?
I did not know that, we, as a nation had blacked it out until I read MFI’s blog.
Sad, that.
Are we Americans too soft to see all sides of an issue? Are we unable to stomach what is being done in our names and with our tax dollars? How will we ever be truly informed and how on earth will we ever win “hearts and minds”?
We should be able to have access to all information and propaganda (we certainly have enough of it right here in the USA!) in order to discern fact from fiction.
Mommy- too damned bad- used ta be a hell of a newspaper.
Make every headline editor a progressive- and give the story content to the goopers- we’ll kick their asses.
angie-
Funny- Clusterfuck has convinced america that the devil runs Al Jazeera. Most americans dropped a load in their pants when they heard that Blair had given em an interview..
If any cable company offered em to subscribers- some goopers would bomb em- seriously!
Pew 2004 study – found as of November 2004, 27 percent of the 120 million adult Internet users in the U.S read blogs. Cannot find anything more current right off the cuff.
What I see is the influence, you NOW have bloggers eg.. Christy & Jane in CNN and other shows, you have so called news shows “checking out what is on the blogs” so it is occuring. Just look what occured Nov 7th with the bloggers election coverage. We are taking baby steps but there has been influence. We just need to keep at it.
1,337 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
rwcole:
First, Clusterfuck is in SE Asia because his en loco parentus wants ‘im outta the country (remember Tricky Dick and the China visit). He can’t do any damage from out there (certainly the Vietnamese and the Japanese and the Chinese and the Koreans know what an ineffectual pile of shit he is) and he can’t get any support back domestically…he’s toast and he’s only goin’ further south.
The linchpin in the power machine politically is in the Senate, ken Reid intimidate Lieberpunk enough ta keep the Democratic majority (or seduce Collins into turncoatin’). If the Dems keep the Senate, the next two years will be spent gettin’ the Green Jacket sized for Al Gore.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, THE RIGHTS YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN!!!
Norske
Yeah I think Joe will stay dem…
If he was younger he might consider goin gooper- but not if he wants to ever get elected again in Connecticut. He’ll try to get some concessions of course- but in the end, I think he’ll stay–if he goes- then the Lamont experiment was VERY expensive.
Egregious, I like your idea about engagement with selected members of the MSM.
Some of the rock stars are too far gone, like Timmeh, but there are lots more out there who might be considered B list.
One thing we should all learn from the last six years is the power of the presidency..
The president has the opportunity to WRITE the news- through the manipulation of his daily schedule.
Clusterfuck realizes that when he GOES somewhere- it’s an event that HAS to be covered- even if it’s below the fold- so he’s ALWAYS goin somewhere.
Next dem president should be payin attention.
rwcole @
35
rwcole, the admin has managed to demonize everything “over there”. They even tried to bomb Al Jazeera “over there”!
rw at 38 — the bulk of the seats open in the 2008 elections are GOP — and the odds of them maintaining all of them with two more years of the Shrub to go are not so great. Lieberman will factor that into any consideration, I’m sure, because he’d be switching over to a party likely to get its ass waxed again in a scant two years. And he knows it.
Redd– Yeah- it would not be impeccable timing to become a gooper today..just in time ta get a shower in the loser’s locker room.
How about we take some of them off the air?
Why don’t we start with Fox News?
That is what we should do: a massive letter writing campaign to the cable providers, explaining our objections to underwriting — however indirectly — GOP propaganda that misrepresents itself as news. Polite letters, requesting that the Carrier remove Fox News from their lineup, adding that we feel strongly enough to cancel our service altogether if that’s what it takes to deny our support to this odious enterprise.
How many people watch the channel? Their viewership on a good night, as I understand it, is in the hundreds of thousands. So how many million letters would a cable provider need to receive to make them take notice of the level of anger out there? One million? Two million? If a million people cancel their cable, that’s something like 50 million dollars a month removed from the corporate cashflow. (Basing that on my 50 buck-a-month bill.) That amount of money, even spread among several companies, shows up on a quarterly earnings statement.
This is about money. It has always been about money. The people who refuse to count the votes ALWAYS count the dollars. So we have to find creative ways to suck our dollars back out of their system.
And that is what I propose. Any other ideas?
Joe has his ass waxed? What a narcissist!
Fox News seems to be on every television in every public place.
Twist-
Well yeah but it don’t take much wax to remove the one hair on his ass!
Twist– Yeah puke inducing ain’t it?
At this point the power of blogs comes not from their being a primary news source for the masses (though that day is inevitable, just as TV started out as a novelty for the rich), but for their influence on the kidz themselves.
We call them “kidz” but it’s not much of a joke. They really are kidz, who see the world as junior high writ large. What this means for us is, while we as grown ups fear for the well-being of out nation and the world, their deepest, most abiding fear is simply that there is another, cooler party going on somewhere and they aren’t part of it.
Craving admiration, they fear ridicule and exclusion, and this is how we tweak them. We push that button, and keep on pushing it until they fall in line.
In much of the world BBC World News is available and it’s excellent! I’d dump CNN and MSNBC (except for KO ; ) in a heartbeat if I could get it.
BBC World is the BBC’s 24-hour international, news and information television channel, launched on January 1995. Programming includes BBC News bulletins, documentaries, lifestyle programmes and interviews. Its main global competitor is CNN International, though it also competes with other major news broadcasting companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_News
Mommybrain, the LA Times site seems to work for me with the Firefox browser (on Mac and MS)…
The punditocracy (except for outliers like Krugman) are socially connected. Like most socially connected groups in our economically stratified nation, the pundits share economic circumstances: they’re wealthy.
One successful model for changing the policy decsions of socially connected wealthy powerbrokers comes from the campaign for economic sanctions against apartheid South Africa. The campaign changed corporate behavior when the emotional costs to the powerbrokers became too high. Corporate board members got sick of their spouses (mostly wives) and children beating up on them at home about South Africa.
I’m wondering what hooks (not cognitive, but emotional) will work on the insecure lot of sheep bloviating in opinion columns and tv studios.
Something along the lines of the REAL kewl kids are laughing at them (the reason is almost immaterial – the narcissists drawn to media pundit work are such empty shells that any derision is intolerable.)
MSM spews fountains of outrage about the bloggers out of fear (and envy) – the eyeballs leaving the Nielsens are opening to the internets.
The flow away from MSM and towards Net/Blog space gives us the perfect dynamic to exploit these deeply insecure people.
RW-I agree, it is puke inducing. Especially because it is ridiculously biased.
Coz– Hell CNN international is very good-
It’s no trick to give the europeans the news coverage they want- americans just don’t want it..
Twisted Martini @ 46
AND I make a point to make them change it.
In the gym, I demand something else, hotel common rooms, I actually turn the channel and glare at anyone just to make my point.
I refuse to sit in the airport waiting areas where the propoganda stuff is on and express my objections to the gate attendants. They have actually turned off TeeVees when I demanded a “quite” area.
When the Nelson poll calls I let them know that NO Fox channel is on at my house EVER.
egregious @
23
Isn’t this what Peter Daou calls closing the triangle?
Seems like a good plan to look into, asking columnists to explain or defend their essays. It would take some real sweet talking (Siun?) to get them aboard. Real time feedback and all. Would give us a platform to praise our friends and as to those who are not so friendly it would allow our front pagers to insert that oh so snarky phrase “Mr X was invited to to comment on this article but declined”.
My preferred to do list for the upcoming congress:
* Reinstitute the FCC fairness doctrine
* Insure net neutrality
* Begin antitrust hearings
* Begin corruption investigations
* Begin legislation for federally funded campaigns
Pile on if interested…
katymine @ 36
exactly. there is no end to this and we cannot let up now. we may be tired and want everything to be o.k. now but it’s not. what can give us the courage and hope to keep going is the knowledge that it’s really exhausting to lie, no matter how much money you’re getting paid for doing it. norah loudmouth and rush limpbough may have absolutely no guilt about taking the stances they take and shilling for despicable, selfish psychpaths and idiots but it’s still wearing to deliberately twist the truth day after day, week after week. that’s our advantage, but we must remember that and keep vigilant.
we do have the truth on our side – if we are determined and willing to recognize it no matter where it may lead. we must continue to kick arse and take names. and remember, one victory is just that, and nothing more.
katymine @ 36
Katymine – YES!
I’m happy to see Christy and Jane on the teevee, but what really matters to me is what story the teevee is telling – and who writes it.
The US MSM have such pitifully narrow pespectives – FDL and other blog voices forced MSM to encounter different narratives.
I think the blogs can have influence out of all proportion to their numbers.
The corporate-funded right wing Wurlitzer proves that concept – they’ve largely determined MSM narratives for decades.
We progressives can do the same. Because we’re not in this for wing-nut welfare, we do it more stylishly, rapidly, and efficiently than the ‘wingers.
Ahhhhh…yay. I’ve finally gotten the bird feeders filled back up again. There was going to be a chickadee mutiny if I let it go another few hours. Having not felt well the last few days, they were getting low on all the choice bits…and the vocal male chickadee was giving me what for this morning. “Oh, lazy human. Where are my peanut chunks?”
rwcole @ 53
rw,
I’ve got DISH and they stopped carrying CNN International a long time ago. I miss Rosemary Church’s dimples! LOL
Dems will be concentrating on two things in the upcoming congress-
1) Getting some legislation passed that the majority of americans want..(eg minimum wage)
2) Sending some burning boats in Clusterfuck’s direction– stuff that most people want but that he will be forced to VETO (eg stemcell research)
This is how it’s done- make the fucker look like a right wing fanatic–not difficult.
(of course there will be lots of fun “vestigations” too.)
No way any real progressive legislation makes it through the entire legislative process and around the Clusterfuck veto. Ain’t gonna happen.
Twisted Martini @ 46
start complaining about that to the establishments that show fox.
The issue I have reinstitute the fairness doctrine is that means that I would have to be subjected to the wingnut radio talk show host on Air America to have a fair and balanced programming.
What I want is Truth. That what they has to have some basis in fact and truth. They just cannot “Make Sh*t Up”. It is the MSU method of reporting that just pushes me right over the edge.
This is a very important question. We can’t just snipe from the sidelines. TV news has a very large audience and people believe what they see there.
We can break up the media conglomerates. Don’t allow corporations to own massive numbers of media outlets. We need something like the fairness doctrine for both radio and TV. Force networks to present all sides. We can revoke licenses from propaganda networks like Fox News. There is a lot we can do legislatively.
OOO RAAH Katymine, good for you!
rwcole @ 61
I hope the Dems have the accompanying sound bytes lined up–”Look, most Americans want this. Bush and the GOP oppose it. They’re out of touch with the mainstream. They’re too extreme for America…”
Sound familiar? The main difference will be that it would be true.
Twisted at 46 — I seem to remember reading somewhere that a lot of the establishments that have FOX on, have it because Fox cut a deal with them: we pay for your tv and hook-up, but you run Fox, and Fox only. Someone here asked about it in a Panera or some other place that had Fox on 24/7, as I recall. Anyone else remember this — or perhaps you are the person who posted this in the comments and can fill in my memory blanks this morning? (Horror of horrors, while I’ve been fighting off this stomach ick, I haven’t been able to drink coffee. It’s not the caffeine, it’s the warm steaming mug o’ yummy tasting liquid, and I’m seriously missing it!)
On a somewhat related note about media conglomerates, the carpet bombing of our kids that takes place on Disney channel and Nickelodean makes me mental. They just sledgehammer the music and shows with the same stable of kids over and over again.
It’s really up to the dems to do something about the media issue- and it’s up to us to tell em what we want done..
If Clusterfuck goes unchallenged on a daily basis in is asshole assertions- then americans assume he’s right.
If the president of the United States stands up and says “Iraq is goin well and if we have little patience- then we’ll have a great victory” (for example) and no one says otherwise- then most americans will assume he’s telling the truth- but if five dems stand up right after the speech- grandstanding effectively to get coverage- and say he’s full of shit- well then that’s a VERY different message that the guy on the street’s gotta deal with.
I’m headed to Panera right now, so I’ll check it out!
Coz … while I can’t get BBC World TV, I listen to BBC World Service radio every night and as I wake in the morning … they are a very valuable news source (though with their own problems) and actually cover the “world” rather than us-centric topics only. A major improvement over sources like npr.
And don’t forget the streams of Mosaic at LinkTV for Middle East news, from the source, uncensored – and now Al Jazeera English which can be streamed online.
Not only do we need changes in US media, it’s essential that *we* expose ourselves to sources from outside the MSM … we recognize the slant of coverage of US politics but so often miss the slant when the same sources cover the rest of the world.
rwcole @ 53
rw,
i think you’re framing that the wrong way. american corporate interests don’t want it. some americans wouldn’t want it, but it could develop a good following if given a chance. especially if what they broadcast proved more accurate and truthful than the rest of the networks, and we know that wouldn’t be very difficult to do. just imagine all of the truly intelligent talented people they could get to work for them.
Christy it might be true in sports bars that Fox Sports network pays for the TeeVees and hookups. I know when Paul Allen had his 24/7 sports network in Portland Oregon, they were paying for installation of HD TeeVees in the local pubs.
BTW, usually sports TeeVee is separate from the entertainment side, actually the entertainment side pays the sports side to put on programming. They try to be very neural so that they can appeal to all types regardless of their policical leanings. My boyfriend is a freelancer for ESPN MNF this year and NBA last year.
fahr
My guess is that CNN international would go broke within a year in this country.. BBC is on PBS- but gets very little viewership.
Wonder how much money Fox News actually makes– anyone know? Does Murdock break out the figures- here’s a guess– NOT VERY MUCH!
OUTFOXED (Complete 1h18m): http://video.google.com/videop…..q=outfoxed
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
Actually, I have noticed this trend of running Fox News in doctor’s office waiting rooms too.
Kiddo- that’s ta increase business- Fox makes em sick and the docs charge to cure em.
Egregious – the idea of invited reporters on for interviews is very interesting … I’ll give that a thought and chat with the team about it. Thanks!
rwcole @ 40
No, only Republican presidents can do that. The media beat on Bill Clinton every day for eight years. Right after the 1992 election, Mary Matalin was all over the airwaves claiming Clinton was illegitimate because he got less than 50% of the vote.
The mainstream media is an enemy of the progressive movement. We must reassert control over their influence (which means allowing independent voices to flourish, not controlling their message directly).
Another thing we can do is force networks to properly identify who their guests are. Transparency is essential.
Bill O’Reilly is doing intellectual jujitsu in trying to prove that there is no relation between Fox Networks and Fox News.
This from a dill-hole that alleges a charitable donation from George Soros is tantamount to anti-American marching orders from Soros for any website that has even talked about Soros.
Between Bill O, Rush, Coulter and company the rightwing punditocracy is looking pretty pathetic.
-GSD
My brother who has listened to Rush for 18 years says now Rush has become unlistenable.
-GSD
Rob
Nothin’s absolute- but on a ten point scale- the president is always a ten and the out of power party is no better than a seven. If they control NOTHING as the dems have for four years- then they rate no more than a three. It’s the bottom of the barrel.
rwcole @ 74
it would take longer than a year. my guess is that it would take around five years. in a sense it’s like starting a restaurant, only on a much bigger scale of course. the word has to get out. people’s habits have to change. if all you have to do is to click a button to get the truth you will do it.
BBC isn’t an american shop, and it has it’s limitations and point of view as well.
GSD–That’s interesting. Any detail?
I have been thinking for some time that the Rushjob doesn’t work when on the defense (defending the status quo Clusterfuck)
GSD @ 82
18 years? Whew!
the democratic “wave” of 2006 considered in concert with an honest examination of the US corporate media and their slant towards regressives and the cult of republicanism, leads to several undeniable conclusions:
1) george bush would not have been close enough in 2000 to trigger the Florida and SCOTUS shenanigans that resulted in bush’s selection to the position of POTUS in 2000.
2) the invasion of Iraq would never have happened if the known questions and deceptions of 2002 and 2003 had been fully aired by the media and the public was aware.
3) george bush would have lost in a landslide in 2004 if the American people had not only been well informed of the lies and deceptions leading to the invasion, but if they also knew of the unwinnable position the US had at that time.
This means the US corporate media is fully culpable in the human disaster that is Iraq today – they were a full partner in facilitating it happening.
The personality types inhabiting the cult of republicanism have been among us since the dawn of humanity – they are like cancer cells floating around the body of humanity. We all have cancer cells within us, but they are held in check by our body’s defenses. But the disease metastasizes if the host’s defenses are weakened.
Humanity’s defense mechanism against the like’s of george bush and the cult of republicanism, saddam hussein, fascists, dictators, totalitarians, etc. is the truth. When the truth is suppressed on a massive scale as US corporate media has been doing for a generation to denigrate democrats and liberalism in favor of the cancerous cult of republicanism, then enormous manmade disasters and crimes against humanity such as what we currently have in Iraq, result.
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fahr-
Well neither is CNN International…The news is mostly about the WORLD- with the emphasis on Europe- so there are stories on- for instance- the most recent strikes in Paris. I don’t think there are enough Europeanites in the US to make it go 24 hours a day. Have you watched it?
“Some people say…” http://www.metacafe.com/watch/…..ed_part_5/
I was looking for the link for Al Jazeera English and stumbled across http://www.vdc.com/ which provides tv online – they have Al Jazeera and Democracy Now … and Pentagon TV – eek! … and my all time fave, NasaTV which is a much with a very slick video viewer for $8.95 a month. Not bad, eh?
Al Jazeera English also can be watched on REAL (but I personally hate the whole REAL bit) and JumpTV which offers an astonishing selection of international TV packages – http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..A36665.htm
We progressives also have amazing allies and resources.
The brightest message crafters I know of form the SmartMeme project:
One of the toolsets I’ve learned from SmartMeme is to think about change campiagns in terms of “points of intervention“. [Four points live in physical space; two points live in conceptual space].
In a campaign targeting Fox:
An airport TV tuned to Fox is a “Point of Consumption”;
FOX HQ [or the FOX bldg on Sepulveda and Ohio in West LA - near all the national news outlets’ LA crews - hint hint] is a “Point of Decision”;
The Hilton corporation – and every other business that chooses to air Fox on their premises – offer a “Point of Decision” in the boardroom and a “Point of Consumption” at every TV they order tuned to Fox;
The regulatory process/Congress are targets for campaigns targeted at the “Point of Potential – the conceptual space where future scenarios are developed;
Fox hurts us – and the planet – through their impact on the other point in conceptual space: the Point of Assumption. As the SmartMeme folks view our campaign, the Point of Assumption is the realm in which we challenge inaccurate beliefs and deliberately created mythologies. this is where the heavy work of meme-crafting with the goal of changing social values takes place.
[just an example of using the SmartMeme tools; “Points of Assumption” is one of several valuable concepts they share on their worksheets page.]
OfT: DeLay 4th quarter replacement Shelley Sekula-Gibbs’ first week goes un-swimmingly:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01552.html
heh.
He is a liberal dude too. I don’t know how he has done it for so long……
Sort of the Howard Stern syndrome..”what will he say next!”
My bro says that when Limbaugh came out with his “carrying water” coments it was sort of a shark jumper.
Limbaughs’ self-proclaimed stock in trade is that he “tells the truth”. Yet he just admitted that he’s been lying about politics because he supports one side over the other.
So much for his “truth” claims, and he’s the one admitting to the breach in trust.
I have noticed with other conservative friends that as the Bush machine swirls into the cesspools of history that they have a tough time listening to the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh because they just never admit flaws.
My bro said Limpy was supporting Mark Foley to the end……
-GSD
TeddySanFran @ 92
And the MSM thinks Pelosi had it bad. 8-P
Lou Costello @ 89
Oh, damn, if that doesn’t just make my blood boil. My grandmother once went into Lord & Taylor’s for a pair of gray shoes and was informed by a “veddy, veddy” saleswoman that “they are not wearing gray this year.” Grandma drew herself up, fixed the saleswoman with a beady eye and said “And who, pray tell, are ‘they?’” Why can’t the MSM ask similar questions to the “experts” and “pundits” that babble on and on??? WHO SAYS SO? GIVE ME A CITATION, PLEASE… There. Now I feel better. /temper.
rwcole @ 88
for three years in sudan. the first year i was there it was the only non-arabic channel i could get.
i should’ve been more specific about my vision of CNN International for US viewers. i didn’t mean simply a wholehog transfer but one that gave a broader perspective on the news and a more objective presentation of US news. they could make international stories relevant to a US audience and have more US news than the CNN International that’s shown internationally.
Teddy at 92 — is it me, or does it sound like Katherine Harris has some competition?
Not much Washington action just now- Clustefuck’s out of the country and nothing in congress is ready for a vote yet (I guess).
We’re about ta see some large smelly feces hit the fan though- Clusterfuck wants the goopers to ram through Bolton- and some radical judges- and some legislation to save his ass from charges of criminal behavior. Now we get to see PAYBACK…
It’s gonna make yer hair curl boys an girls.. The Pelosi story was just filler.
fahr- yeah that could be done- that WAS done under prior ownership of CNN..
Just get Ted ta buy the thing back!
Perhaps educating the public,in some effort similar to a GOTV drive is in order. Not exactly like GOTV(it can’t be),but that sort of volunteer spirit in numbers with all the ducks in a row presentation wise. Heaven knows there’s enough material there to work with. It’s not like FOX exactly hides what they’re doing,leaked internal memos aside.
We’re all effected by all sorts of media,we’re constantly bombarded with it,even if we don’t “know”it,it’s everywhere. This means education about media can be very inclusive,it’s just a matter of compiling the information and presenting it in an interesting and engaging way to show people how the truth is spun,how dumb they think we are,and how the media is used to manipulate emotions. I’m not sure how you do that in a way that grabs people’s attention,but I think it can be done(by much more clever folks than I). I believe it has to be a grassroots thing,it’s really the only”in” at the moment.
I was very lucky to go to a high school back in the 70’s that taught civics,classes about government and how it worked(on a fed and state/local level),and classes not just about how to make media,but how advertising/marketing/mass media talks you into buying things you don’t want or need,etc. We HAD to have those classes to graduate. By the 1980’s(after I graduated),those classes were cut from the curriculum,along with alot of other wonderful offerings that encouraged intellectual curiousity and taking some pride and joy in that pursuit of learning. Without knowledge, people don’t and can’t understand their options or solve problems,or a whole hell of a lot else to make their lives better and healthier.
It’s going to be up to progressives and liberals of various stripes to start educating the public and present them with the truth against the lies. The media won’t do it,conservatives sure as hell won’t,so we have to come up with real life,face to face ways of educating people. We’re creative,sharp and witty,surely there’s way to do this on a fairly large scale.
Unless of course we can find a wealthy superhero to vanquish Murdoch and use that media empire for good instead of evil. Yeah,I’m not holding my breath on that one either,lol.
Goopers should have known it wasn’t their year when a write in candidate named “Shelley Sekula-Gibbs” is their only chance of saving a seat….
How’d ya like ta be the person charged with makin sure that people will remember that name ta write it in?
Funny as hell!!!
Oh,and maybe we should be pushing our newly elected Dems to craft a direct and very simple law stating that if someone claims to be “News”then they have to actually REPORT THE NEWS. Just a thought….
Christy Hardin Smith @ 97
RH, that was exactly my fiance’s response — kindofa shame shelley’s a short-termer (not) as her entertainment value seems extraordinary.
Imagine how bad she must be for Tom DeLay’s former chief of staff to say:
From the guy who offered to stick around to help her, who then led the mass staff walkout during the Congresscritter’s officewarming party!!
The corporate media have a credibility problem. Their product is bad and it’s getting worse. There’s a lot of bravado but it is sounding increasingly hollow.
Staffs at even the biggest papers, the NYT, WaPo, the LA Times, have been slashed repeatedly. Papers tout unconvincingly that these cuts only make their papers “stronger” and “better” but there is no evidence for this. Network and cable news organizations have already gone through much of this down-sizing and it has turned their operations into essentially infotainment.
Most people in the media, I would say, still downplay the blogosphere or are actively hostile to it. In contrast to bloggers, they think of themselves as the “professionals” by the simple fact that they draw a paycheck for their work, no matter how poor, uninformed, uncritical, and biased it may be. They hate that the blogosphere no longer buys into the myths they have about themselves.
What fuels the woes of the corporate news media is the corporate model itself. At some time in the past perhaps, news did sell. Now not so much. The ideal however imperfectly met used to be the truth. Now it is truthiness. Media outlets of all kinds are now almost entirely owned by large conglomerates. They are not interested in rocking the boat by exposing government fraud or criticizing policy mistakes. They do not wish to antagonize those who have the power to affect their profits. As a result, they have entered into a downward spiral where they put out a cheaper, inferior product which is increasingly rejected by consumers of news which leads to further attempts at cost cutting and so on.
In this environment, we should expect at best only sporadic attempts at investigative reporting, criticism, or analysis. We who care in the blogosphere will have to continue to hold those in the corporate media accountable and keep the pressure both on them and their corporate owners and bosses, if for nothing more than to slow down the process of deterioration, and we will have to continue to construct an alternative news structure in the blogosphere to replace what has been lost in the increasingly anachronistic, irrelevant, and failing traditional news media.
Pretty funny that a group could put up with DELAY for years but not one day of his successor- must be a fuckin BEAST!
Fahrender … your point about watching CNN Intl or BBC World is important. Americans, including many progressives, see the world through such a US-centric lens – and ever good US media misses the wider context and events in the world outside the very provincial frame of reference of US media. Watching or listening to sources like the Beeb or Al Jazeera (who I have big respect for) are essential to breaking thru the brainwash.
And Beeb interviewers can so often be quite brilliant – they ask challenging smart questions rather than fawn over their guests – no matter who they are.
1) Net neutrality.
2) Ala carte cable. Stop making us pay for Falwell and Fox.
3) Keep blogging. The public does eventually see through the media BS as the last election shows. Blogs are one reason for that. The influencers read blogs.
rwcole @ 101
That’s why they called their “special election” to fill the last weeks of the seat: so GOPers could copy her name from the line where it was printed on the special election ballot onto the general election write-in line. Unfortunately, even rich Sugarland GOPers can mess up when voting that’s complicated, to wit: “Well, I voted for US Representative already, so I won’t vote over here again….”
Hugh – WaPo has announced major cuts and changes … tbd.
and Kirk – very interesting post about the Points … I’ll have to look at their work. Thanks for the heads up!!!
Teddy—Didn’t know about that- pretty smart actually- didn’t work though I guess.
One need only see the Larry King’s response to Roseanne when asked about the internet.
Nope, says King, never used it. Ya gotta push buttons and there’s a billion things on there too. Too scary for my crusty old fart fingers.
These clowns are like Vaudevillians trying to steal the right act just as the business was dying.
-GSD
Also, regional war looms as Sudan spins out of control.
What was it Bush said about genocide not happening on “my watch”.
-GSD
Too smart for Texan GOPers to get right!
GSD @ 111
(shrug) He lied. Nothing new there.
Well, yeah, but LKing is one of those guys who still sez “the wife” as in
I was surprised Roseanne didn’t jump on him for that construction, but she had the Internet point to make instead…
Siun @ 109
Thanks Siun – hope it helps!
One of my rusty neurons thinks you live near Chicago. IF so, you may have met one of the SmartMeme folks, James John Bell
Clusterfuck was positively confused when reporters asked him about his comments before the election concerning Rummy…His response, of course- was “Well I lied of course- what did ya expect?”
He thinks reporters are a little naive about”political stuff”.
TeddySanFran @ 114
I was surprised Roseanne didn’t jump on him for that construction, but she had the Internet point to make instead…
I am sure “the wife” is secretly on-line dating after a few years of marriage to that mummy.
-GSD
The major problem with ALL commercial television networks — including and especially the all-news cable channels — is the demand from owners and advertisers that the stories are short, attention-getting, and easy to understand. Politics and international affairs are not simple and reducing the news to sound bites decimates whatever quality may be there.
As a result of this “need” to glamorize and dramatize, the mano a mano style of interview has evolved to no one’s benefit. 60 minutes perfected this popular style with Point, Counterpoint, which became even more famous thanks to SNL’s “Jane, you ignorant slut” parody. CNN made its impression on the American public with its initially successful Crossfire. The popularity of this presentation style dictated its becoming the major way that complicated and controversial stories are told on the news. This results in the presentation of news as yet another sport, something that the men in media boardrooms obviously relate to.
A talking head from the right versus a talking head from the left with each one given an inadequate time to state their case. The extremes are ridiculous, of course; what about middle ground, which is never represented?? To add insult to injury, the speakers who get invited back are the ones who spout the most outrage, create the most controversy, and generate the most discussion from viewers. Hence we have morons like Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson actually viewed by the public as credible sources of information. And people who love controversy for the sake of controversy, Chris Matthews comes immediately to mind, become media stars with the ability to form public opinion rather than report it.
It’s a dangerous situation. BushCo talking points are accepted unquestioned because, “Why spend money investigating when here’s a pile of simple slogans we can use to fill the airwaves. And to avoid cries of bias, we’ll invite a couple of leftists on to yell about Bush. What’s not to like?”
What’s not to like, obviously, is the deterioration of our democracy. What can we do about it? I’m as flummoxed as anyone, but I know we can’t sit back and take it on the chin. Media Matters does an enormous public service and should be supported generously by all of us.
Judith Regan, Fox, Rupert Murdoch and OJ Simpson. Is there anything they won’t do for the almighty dime?
OK Kiddo at 118 — No.
This has been another addition of simple answers to your questions. (Damn Atrios. I do this all the time now.)
“2) Ala carte cable. Stop making us pay for Falwell and Fox.”
Yep. We’re done with cable until they give us ala carte. Good riddance I say.
The Crossfire model is in decline fortunately.
Nothing is quite as stupid as having two absolute partisans face off in a format that emphasizes shouting over the other person and throwing shit fast and furious. It is hard to imagine something less informative.
The best formats are the “journalists” or other supposedly nuetral panels who actually discuss something for oh- three minutes.
I noted some discussion above of a possible buyout and breakup of the Tribune syndicate as a step in the right direction. I do not need to reiterate the many reasons for the current state of our mainstream media, but it is obvious to me that we need to have at least one major outlet that does not forego critical analysis in favor of profits. While the buyout and breakup of a media conglomerate is one possible step in the right direction, I believe there is a better (undoubtedly whimsical and far-fetched) approach. Although most of the billionaires in this country are undoubtedly whole-hearted supporters of the Republican party in their attempt to turn this country into an oligarchy (if not an outright fascist dictatorship), I do believe there are any number of them who have progressive attitudes and care about preserving the original principles on which this country was founded. Instead of leaving the bulk of their fortunes to various charitable foundations, as admirable (and fashionable) as that has recently become, why not instead pool their resources and take over (i.e. collectively own more than 50% of the stock) one of the major media conglomerates? After this takeover they could then direct their news outlets to function as our system of government originally intended, rather than be a slave to the level of profits demanded by Wall street. Imagine an entire staff of journalists and commentators dedicated to actual analysis rather than the he-said, she-said crap we get now.
Who owns the media??? Sometimes cartoons say the darnedest things:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ckquot-98/
ejgreene
That’s a lot of green–NBC, for instance, is part of a conglomerate owned by General Electric- lot a dimes an nickles.
rw at 121 — when I was at the CNN blog thing, I spent a little time talking with Paul Mirengoff of Powerline, and we were joking with each other that C-Span has us on together because we are the two lawyers who don’t yell at each other, but actually like having a discussion. I much prefer that, and I think Paul does as well. We fundamentally disagree about a lot of things philosophically, but he’s a nice guy, and shouting at him would not make the facts on my side any more correct, ya know? It’s one thing to emphasize something — and I’ve done that a time or two when we’ve been on together — but it’s another thing entirely to go all apeshit over nothing. Carville does that all the time, and I find it quite ineffective at changing minds. It just succeeds in making him look like an ass.
It can also be very instructive to read foreign news coverage. Some of the places I check:
http://ipsnews.net/index.asp
Inter Press Service, The Global News Agency
http://www.watchingamerica.com/index.shtml
Watching America – for a “see yourself as others see you” moment
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page.html
On-line Asia Times
OfT:
Mark Foley, outta rehab for his dad’s funeral, sez, “It’s just been a really hard time.”
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/s…..=undefined
hmmmmm. watch yer hand, uncle mark.
Redd–I admire your demeanor. It’s the only way of actually making a point to an audience who isn’t 100% with you. When’s the last time anyone converted someone by shoutin at em? Well- masochists maybe- but how many of THEM are out there.
The shouting match framework became popular during the impeachment days- when there were hours to fill every day and often nothing new to say for weeks on end…
Shouting matches were provided as an entertaining break- and then became the main course.
Kirk .. yep, I’m in the windy city but have not met Bell or heard about smartmeme before … very interesting indeed!
While we are concerned about cable media, I think it’s clear that the standard forms are dying off … viewership is low and members of my children’s generation have no interest in cnn, etc. They watch Colbert, TDC, KO and read online … so rather than taking over the dying breed we should be thinking of how to support and build new media.
News divisions always ran on a tight margin. One of the sub rosa Corporate lobbying points for media deregulation in the 1980’s (including doing away with the ‘Fairness doctrine’) was that what had been run traditionally at nonprofit or mild loss levels as a ‘public service’ for decades was no longer prudent financially, from an internal corporate perspective.
Of course, this meant that news divisions, which previously only held one ideology (that of ‘what is best for America’ as expressed in pro-capitalist terms acceptable to business and government) now held another allegiance…That of profitability to the parent corporation.
Therefore, as an example, if NBC produced a story that reflected poorly on another corporate unit of GE, then GE would spike the story, or find a way to successfully derail it internally.
Because of the proponderance of corporate media ownership, there is only one way to undercut it directly….Through targeting the advertisers, positively or negatively. The current dominant ideology abhors non-profitability, and would sell the media units off rather than subsidize them at a loss, as in the old days.
When advertisers bring pressure to bear on the networks due to their own financial ‘pain’, change, even of the temporary kind, ensues.
Keeping the megaphone shiny ain’t cheap
;>)
Goopers have become accustomed to the fact that when they talk politics- particularly during elections- it’s all bullshit..They actually seem to think that everyone KNOWS it’s bullshit- like professional wrestling- but of course- THEIR base doesn’t think it’s bullshit at all.
rw at 128 — I actually liked the old Crossfire format — from back in the late 80s/early 90s when it wasn’t shouting, but was a real discussion on nuts and bolts of the issues. Not every show, mind you, but on a lot of them, and that could be intersting for this political science student at the time. But it evolved into such a stupid circus — and so many of the shows have followed that trend. I honestly have trouble watching them. We need to have well informed, skilled folks who do those shows — but I’m afraid it just won’t be me, because I can’t stand that sort of behavior. It’s not my thing.
darkblack at 130 — BINGO.
btw, gang — we have a treat coming up for Blue America. John Laesch is going to be here to chat. :)
Christy – what time is Blue America?
I can’t wait!
Redd- Isn’t that the guy who ran against the human carcass in Illinois?
Blue America is coming up in a coupla minutes. Thread should be up at 2 pm ET/11 am PT. :)
And yes, RW, Laesch pulled close to 40% of the vote against him, too — best showing ever by a Dem. Howie has some great stuff for us today…
Siun @ 136
someone zed it’s coming right up….
for “relief” from this syndrome, I recommend watertiger’s banner icon
Am I wrong in thinking that the various networks, etc., have broadcast licenses that come up for renewal? I always heard that anyone could protest the renewal of a broadcast license. With cause, of course.
The trick is to find out when they’re up for renewal. Remember, they’re *our* airwaves.
1,337 DAYZ AND THE KILLN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hugh:
Your analysis at #104 is RIGHT FUCKIN’ ON!!! All the Firepups who are concerned about the problem and about preservin’ net neutrality should read this lucid piece.
What we are engaged in here at FDL, on the web and in the national progressive movement is creating out of our work and collective experience a new synthesis…a new democratic political economy. To awaken folks to the potential power of political democracy to create space for economic democracy is what we’re doin’ here. Democracy is revolutionary, organic, carbon-based and fragile…Jefferson had it right but he didn’t really understand how right.
That’s why all our battles to this point have been with “the corporation”…the corporate media, the corporatist politicians and the oligarchy that controls the the corporations.
Thanx Hugh…read the post folks and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNTION, THIS COULD BE FUN!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 120
short ‘n snarky?
good radio program:
Siun @ 130
Like Buckminster Fuller’s ideas on systems change (old maladaptive systems don’t change – they atrophy and are replaced by new systems) or Kuhn’s observations of changing scientific paradigms (change often comes as adherents to outmoded paradigms age/retire/die out of influence.)
I’m hoping fdl and Howie’s work and the SmartMeme folks’ work and DN are all parts of that new media, even if we can’t yet see how they will fit together.
on Counterspin last night, Glen Ford from Black Agenda Report eviscerated Obama and even more so, Harold Ford:
Here is an interesting article on the issue.
I just want to add that the only thing missing in that article IMO is how to disseminate information to the community once creation of alternate media has been achieved. What is needed here is some out-of-the-box thinking.
During the first Intifada, Palestinians made use of graffiti to spread news as well as handbills. In their book Intifada, “the inside story of the Palestinian uprising that changed the Middle East equation”, authors Schifff and Ya’ari wrote:
Another strategy that I find interesting is this one from CanPalNet: the “pamphlet drop”, in this case to help the Palestinian cause and the task is to distribute a flyer produced & made available to readers by the activist group:
That’s over and above the creation of one’s own mailist of friends, family & acquaintances to whom one can send links to worthy news and information.
In other words, I believe that “low-level communication” is the key here. Besides, that’s the only alternative left to us who do not control the MSM. We’d better learn how to maximize that medium.
Here are two articles that may lead to fruitful ideas. The first one may seem “out of place”. However, I believe that opposite the MSM power, our’s if any IS comparative to that of the developing world and it may help to conceive the task ahead if not in the same context, at least in a somewhat similar context. Here’s that first article.
Finally this one is truly interesting.
Sorry for this long comment!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 134
…
‘Cue the Arthur Jenson speech’
;>)
SusanD @ 141
…and 2,112 hired legal guns will tie your citizen advocacy group up in knots for chimp years to avoid a straight look at the ‘proof’ held.
When someone messes with their freedom of speech, money is no object…It’s a force. You would have to prove beyond a doubt that the licensee was not acting in the ‘public interest’, a very tough argument to make.
Like many other things, that’s subject to interpretation
;>)
Back from Panera, and happy to report no TVs in sight. Just bad smooth jazz.
One point I didn’t see mentioned in this thread is the lack of local investigative media. In AR we elect everyone, all judges, one hundred state house members, 35 state senators, county sheriffs, etc. A whole lot of candidates and almost no information available about them, especially during campaigns.
I also noticed on our ballot all unapposed candidates are lumped together in one box. No opportunity for a write in or even division by party. (thought that was very odd)
Egregious- Noticed your Benson comment from early this morning. I did receive thank you letters quite some time back. They are probably trying to fit smoked salmon in your envelope…)
El Cid at 16:
The major news media simply are… structurally organized to oppose liberal and progressive policies and philosophies. This is not some conspiracy theory… It is a business model — and their business is to propagate an idea of reality to Americans.
El Cid, I believe you are very much on the right track here. Could you elaborate a bit on the “business model” to which you are referring?
I’m guessing you are pointing to ad revenue as the driving force behind all decisions made by the corporate media. I’m guessing that by “propagating an idea of reality” you refer to a viewpoint from which money and consumerism appear to be the most significant goals to which humans can aspire. I’m guessing that you observe Republicans enthusiastically cheering that same world view, and cooperating with the media apparatus in an unprecedented way, in order to increase profits for the people who write the checks for both their media enterprises and their political enterprises.
Comment?
katymine @
27
katymine,
That sounds like an excellent idea to me. Our side might organize such media monitoring the way MoveOn and other web-based groups organized political canvassing for the recent election.
For example, a group of local FDL’ers (or Kossacks, or Atriots) could commit to monitor a specified group of media outlets in their area. Those commitments could be recorded in a (suitably anonymized) database including every radio and television station in the U.S. New volunteers could then be actively recruited in areas where our coverage is sparse.
Then some kind of closed-loop process could evaluate the results for each area, and work toward improving the techniques — such as writing letters to editors, calling stations, faxing, contacting advertisers and so forth.
All this would depend on mobilizing our forces, not just at election time, but all the time, so that volunteers could be assigned whenever uncorrected bias was reported.
LISTEN CHILDREN AND YOU SHALL HEAR
From the elite of the quill profession to the sometimes cartoonish talking heads of T.V., as in from Dowd to Hannity, the media of America do scant little to educate the public.
Collectively they behave as if they were youth taking alternating peeps through a hole in the wall of the boys and/or girls gym locker room. Espying a calf or a buttock they clamor and jostle to press their eye to the peephole and set off en masse to repeat gossipy chatter as news. This game, which is passed off as a profession, is today so ingrained that there is little reasoned analysis and the public neither wants nor expects any.
(excerpt: “I Had a Dream” cognitorex blogspot)
Ralph @
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There are a lot of people who have studied this in-depth, many of whom not even out of a critique of the content by the major news media.
Here is the simple way of asking about the functions of the major news media within a business model that necessarily presses them toward a ‘conservative’ world view.
First, let’s assume for just a moment’s simplicity that a ‘liberal’ reality portrayal would be one which makes it *more* likely that government authority is used in favor of ordinary members of society instead of for the most powerful and wealthiest members of society (including individuals, families, and corporations).
Let’s assume a ‘conservative’ portrayal of reality would therefore tend toward the reverse — making it *less* likely that government authority is used for ordinary members of society versus the wealthiest and most powerful.
The “business” model of major news media consists of convincing both individual and institutional investors (i.e., ‘partner’ corporations) that (a) they can attract and deliver the ‘eyeballs’ necessary to prove that a certain population is watching, or listening, or reading; and that (b) the view of reality portrayed will somehow influence the ‘eyeballs’ behavior in general ways which *help* rather than *hinder* the material and power interests of those individual and institutional investors.
Note that (a) and (b) can conflict. So, while some people happily watch Fox News which could sing for decades about How Great Everything Is in Iraq, there are a lot of people who aren’t going to tune into or pay attention to a news product if they *feel* like it’s 100% not reality.
It’s a business model which promises not only investors, but an entire subset of the wealthiest and most powerful members of a society, ‘We won’t challenge you, not if we can avoid it.’
Now, let’s take the opposite view.
Let’s say that a major news corporation took the opposite view — that they would side with the ordinary members of a society and portray reality in such a way as to favor their interests over the interests of the wealthiest and most powerful.
And let’s further assume that the company directors simply don’t give in at all to any begging, pleading, or threatening by any advertiser, investor, regulator, or partner corporation.
What might happen? Well, for a while they might have some viewers.
But advertising would be pretty hard to come by: after all, even with lots of viewers, I know that I as a corporate CEO wouldn’t want to give a lot of money which might make it more likely that billions of dollars worth of taxes or regulations were going to fall onto my head.
Investors too would face risks. They not only invest in the rebel media corporation; they invest in other corporations which also might face tax and regulatory and wage pressures from the news coming out of this news corporation.
And so on, and so forth. No conspiracy, no magic, no irrationality — just the simple pressures of concentrated power, wealth, and interest.
Really — do you think that people who continually create, manage, and employ the awesome power of advertising and public relations have failed to sit down and think about the impact of the major News Media on their business and financial environment?
What, are we children? Are we to imagine that somehow by perfect accident we have teleported into a society in which the wealthiest and greediest groups are incompetent bunglers who are less clever about influencing their nation’s citizens and voters than are unpaid bloggers?
A good antidote for liberals, lefties, and progressives to improve the quality and reality of news portrayals without invoking the inevitable ‘conspiracy theorist’ slur is to take the ‘News Business’ model seriously.
These cynical journalists and editors and publishers and anchors always talk down to us liberals etc. as though we just don’t understand the ‘Business’ of news.
Fine. They want to talk ‘Business’? Then let’s now talk about the News Product they produce.
And how do people protect themselves from other faulty Consumer Products? Do they accept the excuses of the manufacturers that their products are shoddy because, well, you just don’t understand how complicated our business is?
Any possible review of the News Products produced with regard to the leadup to the invasion & occupation and Iraq will find that those News Products were shoddy, incomplete, inferior, and contrary to their product claims.
No excuses from reporters, journalists, editors, publishers, etc. are needed — we don’t need to know their mystical process and environment for creating shoddy & inferior news products in order to know that the products are shoddy and inferior.
A DVD player which won’t play DVD’s is a failed product, no matter the fascinating process and tough circumstances the manufacturers found themselves in.
Without the magical intervention of an individual or few with nearly limitless resources to not only launch a major news media corporation which favors the interests of ordinary citizens over concentrated power & wealth, but with enough resources and spending willpower to buy off all the other opposition — publishers, distributors, TV networks, satellite & cable distributors, partner corporations…
…without such magical interventions, we find ourselves much as we did in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when liberals, progressives, trade unionists, ethnic groups, farmers, etc. all knew clearly that the ‘company newspapers’ were against them, so they published their own.
And they sold more papers, too. But then production prices went up and it turned out that advertising paid a lot more than subscribers.
And it was not just religious broadcasters but labor unions which took radio from being an odd experiment to being a serious commercial medium, at which point it was regulated in favor of private investors.
Either we on the liberal (i.e., ordinary citizen) side of things take responsibly the charge not just of reviewing other corporations’ news products (i.e., the Consumer Reports of news) but of collectively producing an alternative news product, we will ever be reacting, complaining, wondering why ‘they’ just refuse to see reality.
Again, it can be very hard to convince people to see reality when their job, and their company, depends in the long run on their *not* seeing it.
No matter whether it’s (R’s) or (D’s) in office, the liberal view favoring ordinary citizens will be under continual attack by those who would lose from it. Any other circumstance would be surprising, unlikely, and magical.
Maureen Dowd has begun her attack on Pelosi. No doubt she has used up all her Hillary hits after all these years so Pelosi will be fresh meat. Luckily Dowd doesn’t have to do anything but wield her poison pen. She wouldn’t fare as well if she had to come up with solutions to her rants.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?……..THIS IS A STARTING POINT I BELIEVE………………..People are missing the point. FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA – all the ins and outs. START THERE. That is THE STORY. Once we are clear on where the tentacles lead…….Follow the yellow brick road to the roots, we can address Media Issues. Not Before. I have not read one article lately about what the underpinnings of the overall Media Structure in this country truly looks like. Lets make a chart or map or something….shall we?
NOTE from a Postal worker.
Do NOT drop un-postmarked items in a mailbox.
EVER.
Mailboxes are a private link between the US Postal Service and the customer. Nobody else is supposed to touch them or put things in them.
EVER.
Put handbills on a doorstep. Tuck them in the door somehow. Do NOT leave one in the mailbox. If it can be traced to you, you can be charged with mail fraud. Usually, you will get a warning to knock it off. The first time. Repeating it will land you in court, and you WILL NOT WIN.
I have been there when customrs complain about people dropping things off non-postal items in their mailbox. ONE complaint is all it takes for the USPS to notify you to knock it off–OR ELSE.
Don’t like that? Too bad. And don’t bring up the I’m-a-taxpayer-so-I-can-do-what-I-want bullshit. Your taxes don’t pay for USPS operations (In fact, y’all owe us several BILLION dollars–long story). The only thing any of you pay for is having one particular mail piece delivered to a particular address. It’s called postage. You can complain about the service you’re getting. But you can’t complain about this.
Take it to a judge if you think you can drop off whatever you want in a mailbox. See if you win. You won’t.
Oops! I think though that the person who wrote the instructions were referring to personal “mail”-boxes that many people here in Canada have near their entrance door, NOT the postal mailboxes. The “personal” boxes are used to hold newspaper, restaurant flyers, church adverts, etc. Sorry about the confusion and a very big thank you for clarifying this matter.
El Cid at 154:
An excellent point, well expressed.
I would like to discuss this subject with you further, maybe even to collaborate on an article. If you are interested, please contact me: ralph@newsfare.com
Alternatively, you could send a message via my weblog, http://newsfare.com
Thank you.
Christy, thanks for this article as I’ve felt a great deal of frustration this week.
I posted in another part where the article was addressing the same subject but, I will post it here as well.
You know from being on Washington Journal how the calls are important. When they have the media on we need to call and tell them. since it’s from the people to the guest, the journalist has to listen to us when we call and slam this unfairness. Especially armed with examples.
We need to overwhelmingly support journalists like Olbermann. make sure to watch and send comments and keep it up.
email email email. If we continue to email the media and complain. It’s frustrating but we can keep it up and make sure they know we support journalists who are fair and use Olbermann as an example. This keeps what is wanted and what is not in front of them
Pressure my dear.
Continuing pressure and make ourselves heard.