
Christy wrote this morning about Jamison Foser's roundup at Media Matters of the corporate press reaction to Democrats' sweeping victories in this month's midterm elections:
The political media aren't becoming more responsible; they're simply continuing to direct their scorn at Democrats and progressives. Just this week, media have hyped purported Democratic disarray while downplaying or ignoring altogether GOP infighting; falsely suggested that Nancy Pelosi is as unpopular as President Bush; asserted that Democrats — who do not yet actually control Congress and won't until next year — are "starting to feel some of the pressure" of catching Osama bin Laden without explaining how Bush and the GOP let him get away; and suggested that Nancy Pelosi, who hasn't even become speaker of the House yet, is already "damaged goods."
. . . Progressives — anyone who cares about honest, accurate, and fair journalism, really – simply must understand what they are up against: an elite media that continually screws them, then apologizes to the Right for not screwing the Left harder.
That's what's coming. The Right, having been spanked at the ballot box, will increase their attacks on the media, blaming journalists for the unpopularity of their failed ideas and leaders. Journalists, already carrying water for the GOP — wittingly or not — will apologize for not carrying more, internalize the complaints, and reflect them in new reports filled with an ever-growing deluge of conservative misinformation.
Foser's conclusion is expressed concisely by Christy:
What can we do about the media issue? Short of continuing to call them on bullshit and pressuring them at every opportunity where it is needed, I'm stumped.
In a lot of ways, though, that's enough. The Nagourneys and Halperins of this world, we will always have with us. As Foser points out, it's in the Republicans' interests to keep browbeating the media, and in the media's self-interest to take the path of least resistance by continuing to bend with the wind of all the GOP hot air — at least until we generate a "noise machine" that's able to punish them just as much for their submission, thereby reducing their incentive to cave. (Thanks to Media Matters, the blogiverse, and others, we're getting there.)
But what about all of our Democratic politicians with the new media platforms afforded by their new majority status — shouldn't they help bash the biased narratives of the press? Well, personally, I'd prefer they do nothing.
By "nothing," of course, what I really mean is that they shouldn't be distracted from the more important business of enacting their agenda. For example, though newspapers and cable channels have doted on James Carville's sniping at Howard Dean, here was Dean's response yesterday:
"It was a great win for what I call the new Democratic Party," Dean said in a speech to the Association of State Democratic Chairs. "This is the new Democratic Party. The old Democratic Party is back there in Washington, sometimes they still complain a little bit."
. . . "We are going to do the 50-state strategy for the next 150 years so we can be the dominant party power in this country again," he said.
How can Dean be so unconcerned? Because he knows he's doing the job the state parties backed him to do, and he's got their support.
Meanwhile, georgia10 at Daily Kos takes note of the Democratic radio address given by Senate majority leader Harry Reid this morning:
There will be, as there should be, a continuous attempt to find common ground with the more rational and logical members of the minority. That common ground though will be on Democratic turf, for while Democrats are open to compromise, they don't seem ready to compromise their principles.
And why can Reid be confident in believing that Democrats are, in fact, already standing on the "common ground"? Check out these post-election poll results from Newsweek:
Presented with a list of factors that may have contributed to the Democrats’ success, 85 percent of Americans said the “major reason” was disapproval of the administration’s handling of the war in Iraq, . . .[and] 61 percent said Democrats’ ideas and proposals for changing course in Iraq.
. . . And there’s massive support for much of the Democratic Congress’s presumed agenda. For instance, 75 percent of Americans say allowing the government to negotiate directly with pharmaceutical companies to lower drug prices for seniors should be a “top priority,” including 67 percent of Republicans. Increasing the minimum wage comes next (68 percent) on the public’s list, followed by investigating government contracts in Iraq (60 percent).
Like I said here just over a week ago, the goal for the newly empowered Democratic leaders should be "understanding what issues the broad American public considers to be the most pressing business before the country, and presenting common-sense solutions to them. . . . As with Social Security and Iraq, we should let anyone who stands in our way know that the train is leaving the station, and it's up to them to get on board."
That's why the best response to the media mosquitos is this statement yesterday from supposedly beleaguered Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi (via Tristero):
This morning, I visited our brave men and women at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center. It is a place of prayers, of honor, of respect, and reflection. And I left there more committed than ever to bringing the war to an end.
I told my colleagues yesterday that the biggest ethical issue facing our country for the past three and a half years is the war in Iraq.
. . . The new Democratic Congress will live up to the highest ethical standard, beginning with the first 100 legislative hours when we start to change the way business is done in Washington. We are prepared to lead and ready to govern. We will honor the trust of the American people; we will not disappoint.
Framing political policies as a moral, ethical duty? I couldn't have said it better myself . And why even mention the now-irrelevant Murtha-Hoyer nonsense? At the severe risk of paraphrasing Dubya, the only way that the media and the Republicans can keep the Democrats from doing the people's business is if they indeed stop doing the people's business.
That's how Bill Clinton beat Newt Gingrich and the "Clinton scandals" in the '90s — he kept doing the people's business, and kept making indelibly clear that's what he was doing.
Sure, the GOP Wurlitzer needs to be fought, too. But that's our job.




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swopa!
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Swopa!
and a near-zed..
congrats to jeffreyw for bagging the nought
Dang, fell four short of the six I racked up a while back.
:-)
What to do about the Republican-worshipping media, much of it owned by corporations who get more revenue from defense contracts than through their media empire?
Its simple, but not easy. Buy them out. Push them out. Build competing, more compelling media that squeeze them out of the marketplace. Expecting existing establishment media to act responsibly is as idiotic as that famous hypothetical example of arguing with a man whose salary depends on you being wrong.
A little advice for Dems: fresh, new Democrats, and old hands, too–shut your mouths and do your jobs. Let your subpoenas speak for you. Dig into that simmering stew of corruption and illegality and Republican stink and make the press and the public smell it, taste it, sense the genuine awfulness of it. Make `em gag on it. Especially the Beltway pundits and the Chatty Kathys on cable news. If they’re busy retching, they’re too occupied to clown around trying to make you look silly.
I think that by “voting with our feet” we are already having an impact. The numbers on Olbermann and Faux seem to show it.
Sorry if this was already posted, but it’s a hoot.
Free Republic: We Suck.
There’s another reason not to expect the media companies to be progressive or to treat progressives fairly: they are big businesses. Reporters and columnists are like the floor staff in a Wal-Mart. Who in management knows or cares what political views they have?
By the way, the cluster of hyperventilating, over-punctuating kindergarteners at the top of each comment stack is out of place. Isn’t there some kind of flush lever?
jeffreyw @ 7
Big time ; )
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..33859.html
Mosher just came on to say hi at the bottom of the last thread.
egregious @ 11
Mosher in the pit!
There seems an unwillingness on the part of progressives to face that Corporate media is in fact in bed with the Tyranny Wing of the political establishment, and does everything it possibly can to limit or prevent genuine participation by the public in it’s self-governance. Until we come to grips with this, we will continue to put out brush fires here and there, while our nation gets steam-rolled by devious people.
Writing angry letters and threatening boycotts cannot change this fundamental equation. Until we design and execute specific strategies for breaking up the Cartel’s de facto monopoly on programming content and presenters of news and opinion, our agendas will continue to be much less effective than they should be. Political discussion will continue to be limited to cartoon versions of real life, and real issues will either be spun or ignored. This to the extreme peril of us a individuals and as a nation.
Job one: break up the Media cartels. This done, our chances of sane government increase immeasurably.
John G. Fought @ 9
New here, aren’t you.
Hee hee
John G. Fought @ 9
Flush. Begone turd.
One of the best things we can do is find ways of getting people to laugh at the national news figures, including the cable people. Olbermann does a great job of mocking O’Reilly, and Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert do good stuff as well. Olbermann points out that some people watch his show for the tabloid coverage, and pick up some of the serious stuff on the way by. Same for Stewart and Colbert. We need more of that.
The lefty funny blogs do not get the readership of the more strictly political blogs, despite the occasional reference to them on this site, and the others. I wonder if it would help if the site leaders goty some guest posts from TBogg, Alicublog, and Sadly No, in the hopes of driving some new traffic their way.
I strongly disagree! The conservative corporate press frames the debate. I strongly believe that the progressive movement cannot win until we remove the conservative stranglehold on the media. A number of good legislative ideas were put forward in Christy’s thread this morning. Sniping from the sidelines will accomplish nothing. Just think back to the 1990s. The press hounded the Clintons every day with bogus scandals. For the last six years, they’ve turned a blind eye to gross corruption. And now they are already starting in on Pelosi.
Fox News should have its license removed unless they properly label themselves as a conservative Republican network. That’s just one small example of the things that can be done.
If we just complain in the blogosphere, we will lose as surely as we lost in 2000.
montag @ 6
Your advice is half right. Do your job but do not shut your mouth. If you don’t tell your story someone else will tell it for you. So yea do your job but make sure the folks back home know you are doing it.
You can tell your story while bypassing the adnags and the broders and the rest of the inside the beltway chatering class. The right pioneered it. They need to be on Air America and Tom Hartman and Stephanie Miller.
John G. Fought @ 9
Yes, we have that feature here. Click on the X in the top right hand corner of your screen
jim p @
13
Jim, that’s where the power of the internet comes in. By providing an immediate, unfiltered stream of information, we can strive to be a valid media source.
“People-powered media” will be the next wave in countering corporate media and all it’s inherent biases. It’s this participatory access and dissemination of the news that will eventually depower the MSM and give rise to a more balanced palette of information available to everyone.
with apologies to Aretha:
THE DEMS CAN START BY PASSING THE “FAIRNESS DOCTRINE”, IT HAS BEEN VETOED BY THE RPUGS BEFORE, THE DEMS WILL NEVER EDUCATE THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY WITHOUT A FAIR MEDIA.
OfT:
Tin foil hats @ the ready – we probably need more time to break down the numbers, but shockingly, the ‘06 vote was corrupt! From yesterday…
http://www.opednews.com/articl….._2006_.htm
How timely! I’m at Roots Camp NYC and literally about to give a presentation on The Spotlight Project.
I absolutely believe that we need to be the source of accountability for the media. Some will hear us. Other will not. But we have to do it.
Jim G. Fought,
I guess you’re a newbie here. As a relative newcomer myself, I’m not going to yell. However, a wee bit of fun at the top of each post before we get down to serious business hardly seems like something to get your knickers in a twist about. Just drop down to comment, oh, three or four or five, and then dig in. Hope you stay around to enjoy the lake.
Expand the Netroots by every means possible. Let the people reach their own conclusions via unfiltered content. Watch the MSM wither.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
EPU’d from Mosher–
tommy yums partner @ 144
egregious @ 146
jeffreyw @ 7
Yes – Olbermann’s audience keeps growing, and Bill-O’s ratings are declining, especially among the 25-54 demographic, so there are some signs for hope. Olbermann gets it – he talked about the media’s double standard when it came to covering Lott and Pelosi, respectively.
Stewart and Colbert are nightly exposing the media’s double standards, lies, hypocrisy, etc… through humor and satire (one of the best weapons) – they’ve found a way to make the actual truth “sell” – and that’s the framework within which all the media works.
And then there are progressive blogs, the most important force for change, IMO.
But we’ve got to keep working. Spotlight, spotlight, spotlight. Write letters to the editor. Call Pelosi and tell her we know this crap about “Dem disarray” is all bullshit. We’re with her. The Newsweek numbers imply 60-80% of Americans are with the core of her agenda (and Cheney thought 51% was a mandate?). Write the networks. Call the networks. Never let up. Have the hard facts lined up and attack lies with the truth. Thanks to the blogosphere, we’re all doing just that.
Go FDL!
newtonusr @ 23
So is anybody, anybody at all, surprised? Not here, and I’m not even wearing my tinfoil hat. (Which, living down here, is really more of a helmet or a snood…)
Cozumel @ 20
707
Mosher is pretty close to the House pool with 5-33. Bdu has 6-31, shooogarp is sitting pretty at 6-33, and LindaR is the optimist of the crowd at 6-34. We wait. Honorable mention to blue e, who looked like the winner on election night with 6-29.
With all due respect to the Yardbirds.
Connecticut Bob: Never forget that the internet can be shut down later this evening if so ordered by a would-be Tyrant.
It is a vast help, it has opened up things tremendously, but it is simply not the same thing as mass-media, which should be serving the general welfare. Mass media gets an identical message (or discussion) out to potentially 300 million people instantly. Internet requires that I know the website exists in the first place, and I wander over there on my own, and hopefully thousands or tens will get there eventually. The internet is a modest counter to, and not the answer to, the vast agitprop machine trashing the Republic. That machine properly belongs to us, and if we simply open up it’s content to the full-spectrum of American opinion, most of what goes on on the internet would not even be needed.
I’ve got a new post up at Howard-Empowered People. It’s about a story that is, putting it mildly, kind of a downer, but it didn’t feel right to pass it over. Would appreciate thoughts from anyone who has some to share…
Being “my sister’s keeper”
Marion in Savannah @ 30
I’ll confess to not knowing a snood from a, well, anything. Now that I’ve looked it up, I realize ignorance was bliss…
http://www.snoods.com/fanbeadexlo.html
jim p @ 33
Actually, that would be a lot harder than you think. Banking and insurance rely too heavily on the toobz at this point. At the hospital where I work we’re one of “The Most Wired Hospitals,” which means that damn near everything is connected, and not just by internal hospital networks. We verify insurance coverage online, for example. (When was the last time you went to the doctor and weren’t asked for your insurance card?) The toobz won’t be shut down. My fear is that net neutrality will be stymied. We’re inundated down here by commercials against it. That’s what I’m worried about.
Doobie Bros. – “Long Train Running”
klyde @ 19
Well, if you look at the last month, every time a Dem opens his or her mouth, it’s an opportunity for them to either twist it, deny it or belittle it. That’s why I emphasize actions rather than just words. Bring as much blood and gore out in the open as possible–in hearings, with witnesses under oath–and the carping will stop, or greatly diminish.
My point is that all the present news media needs is just a small wedge to turn a story in the direction they want. Not giving them that wedge is the first step in actually getting the real news out. Once that’s done–because it’s going to be far worse than anyone has imagined–the press will be a bit more compliant, I think.
The other thing the Dems can do, if they insist on talking is to keep it short and to point that news away from known troublemakers and toward the people who have been more straight up in their reporting. Give the exclusives to Jonathan Landay and that bunch in the McClatchy nee Knight-Ridder Washington bureau, or to Seymour Hersh. Cut the assholes out of the picture–particularly the talking hats on television. They can’t be trusted to bring a story to the public straight up, so why give them ammunition? They’re not stupid (well, not all of them, anyway) and they’ll eventually figure out that there’s a reason why they’re being dusted off.
That’s a kind of hardball that idiots like Chris Matthews don’t expect Dems to play–the expectation, always, is that Dems are desperate to get their views to the public. My advice is to kiss `em off and concentrate on business. That business right now is to hold hearings on Bush administration malfeasance of all types. If the Dems do that, they won’t need to kiss any media asses. :)
Cheers.
What Howard Dean seems to realize that a lot of other Democrats don’t is that if you’re operating from a position of strength, you don’t need to have the media on your side. If you’ve done the work to build up your constituency (the state Democratic leaders and netroots supporters, in Dean’s case) and they support you, the media can call you a filthy Communist, James Car-vile can claim Harold Ford could have done your job better, the Scream can be replayed over and over, but at worst that’ll just be a storm to weather, because you’re still operating with a solid foundation. He can shrug it off because he’s got nothing to be afraid of.
That’s the difference between looking strong (beating your chest, wearing a codpiece, and talking about jamming your loofah up the ass of terrorists) and being strong. Dean’s confidence comes from something more real than “the numbers” of Karl Rove.
I don’t have a lot of confidence that too many other Democratic members of the House and Senate who have been staples on the talking head shows have the same quality. I’m pretty sure they’re there, because the House voted by a 3:2 margin against the authorization to use force in Iraq back in 2002, and 21 of 50 Democratic Senators did the same, but those people haven’t been the ones on TV or fawned over by the Times. The folks who do get on TV need to step aside and let those people stand their ground to show them how it’s done. Eventually, the media won’t be able to ignore it.
Marion in Savannah: “Actually, that would be a lot harder than you think.”
They can selectively block any sites they want at any time they want. Please don’t take “Shut down the internet” literally (although they could do even that if they wished). The context is de-monopolizing control over what people see. FDL, dKos, Buzzflash, etc can all be gone 10 minutes after I write this.
Sorry, I am totally off the topic here. This is more appropriate for the Mad Cow discussion. But, Malkin and Pammy have outdone themselves today.
First Malkn: She uses her latest Hot Air vent to reply to Olberman. During her tirade she suggests that she is as innocent of anything done in her name as Jodie Foster was innocent in John Hinckley’s assassination attempt on Reagan. What BS! Jodie Foster was a drama student at Yale at the time Hinckley shot Reagan. Foster was not denouncing Reagan or the right on a daily basis as Ms. Malkin does with her rants against the left. Hinckly’s actions were fueled by his own delusions that had no basis in reality. This is not the case with Castignaga. Malkin has fed his mind with lots of hate. His atty will no doubt cite violence in the media and the hate speech of the right wing blogs as influences on his/her client’s behavior. And then what a bind Malkin will find herself in.
Malkin also takes exception to Olberman’s suggestion that her posting contact info on UCSD students led to their harrassment and to threats against them. She completely avoids the issue of motive…why did she post the info?…and defends herself by stating that the info was already a part of the public record. She never explaines why she posted it. Finally, she assures her viewers that she denounces vioence and cites her condemnation of the letter sent to Olberman as proof. However, she then does a complete 180. Her first post of today is a photo of a sign promoting violence accompanied by a caption she authored, that supports the sentiments expressed in the sign. When Casignaga’s atty goes before the judge to defend him, he can submit this post as exhibit A.
Now onto Pammy of Atlas Shrugs. This woman has proved beyond any measure of doubt that she is in need of serious psychiatric intervention. The right wing has loudly denounced CNN for airing videos of insurgents firing on U.S troops. Well Pammy has not only adopted the tactics of the enemy in order to inflame her supporters, she has taken these tactics to unimaginable extremes. She has posted photos on her site that can only be described as violence pornography. This woman is in need of serous help. It is pathetic that her husband and her family and friends allow her to unravel so publicly. Instead of getting her the help she needs, they are aiding and abetting her.
Although I am sickened by them, I find some cause for hope. Their posts of today seem to me to be further evidence of the depth of their desperation. Perhaps they will soon consume themselves in the flames of their own hatred.
I basically agree with Swopa. One of the ways to seize control of a narrative is simply level some charge against the other side: “Democrats are in disarray” or “Democrats are soft on defense.” A natural reaction is to defend and explain why Democrats aren’t in disarray or soft on defense, and even to go further and point out how the media is being unfair in their treatment of Democrats and Republicans.
But in doing so, we cede the narrative and put the discussion on Republican talking points. What our politicians need to do is stay on message: Iraq is a Republican mess. The Republicans are failures. They have nothing left except name calling. We won the election and Mitch McConnell needs to stop being obstructionist and bow to the will of the American people, so eloquently expressed in the last election. (I think we should use the word “obstructionist” a lot. Republicans used it against Democrats for years and to use it against them in turn will, I think, drive them crazy.)
We in the blogosphere can contest the misdirection of the Republicans and put pressure on a supine and sycophantic media, but the message of our Democratic spokepeople should stay clear and focused.
Monk @ 43
Heads explode–film at eleven….
some of the 50 million people the senile madman is supposed to have liberated have not taken to “freedom”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..de_by_fire
I agree completely with the sentiments. Dean and others should speak to the people and stay on the real message. Others can push back at media.
Let me illustrate with a personal anecdote. I dropped out of college for a few years as a young man. By night I did sound at clubs. By day I sold ridiculously esoteric and expensive audio equipment.
There was a certain type of customer (always young men) who thought it was a great cheap date to bring their girlfriends in to watch them abuse some salesman. Invariably, they didn’t know their rectum form a ditch when it came to the facts. What you do is leverage your superior facts to gently rebuff them, then slowly start to speak beyond them to the girlfriend, until such time that you are acting like they aren’t even their and having a dialogue completely with the girlfriend. The men would always get upset and leave.
Many of the girlfriends would return. I made more than a few sales, as well as a few dates.
The bottom line – people aren’t stupid. You just need to be respectful, stick to the facts, and educate them. Never take the bait that is offered by the boyfriends, in this case the MSM.
I don’t think I’ve ever been in as much disagreement with anything you’ve written. In the end, Clinton advanced the Clintonistas and left the progressive movement in this country on life support with his self-serving equivocations on: choice, secularism, sanity in defense spending, support of children living in poverty, the list goes on.
There’s a corporate owned media which champions the corporate owned Republican Party and the corporate sponsored AEI/Heritage/Cato agenda. This must become talking point #1 for progressives and not just amongst ourselves. Democratic politicians must get in the habit of bringing this issue to the attention of the public.
Take note that what has been hailed as a great progressive victory, the outcome of the just past midterm elections, came after years of total conservative control of government and total failure. Unless this media situation gets turned around the public is going to sleep walk right back into the conservative camp when the corporate storyline can be tweaked and resold to the public under the cover of a more complicated political environment.
Maybe I am being a bit simple minded here. But when I think about why the media behaves the way it does toward Pelosi etc., I think GOP of course, and less obviously, the DLC. Take a look at what this powerful little group (DLC) composed of primarily white, rich males stands for and does. The DLC supports guys like Lieberman, the Clintons, and the Iraq war. Research the DLC. There’s much more to dislike about them.
Hi mods -
WordPress seems to have been having a Groundhog Day moment – it placed my (subsequent) comments back in the #3 spot on theis thread with the same 2:07 timestamp.
I reloaded, so I hope this appears in the right sequence.
[If not, I guess my fdl participation ended at 2:07 today. snif.]
you know what the real problem is?
when corporate media promotes republican rubbish, the democrats defend instead of attack
for instance, the democrats HAVE to start calling media “corporate propaanda” when they respund, just like the republicans make believe it’s a “liberal media”
whenever a republican pundit charges ‘liberal bias”, the democrat must reply;
“you can’t really be serious, the media is corporate owned, they have a corporate agenda, and anyone that calls the media “liberal” is a marionette,, his strings being pulled by pupetteers”
be READY with teh examples that ABOUND, like the government documents from england telling us the president made up his data, like the president standing down when bin laden was captured at tora bora, and being ready to disabuse them from their propaganda when they even think about repeating the myth that clinton “let bin laden get away”
Sorry if this is early, friends, but I’m told that folks might want to have this to send around for Thanksgiving for a bit of Holiday activism.
A Christmas Card To The World
egregious @
14
Maybe they are. If so, I’s like to welcome them.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
One of the things that just infuriated me about them was selling seats on their board to all comers. When I realized that they had two representatives from Koch Industries on their board, I was ready to spit nails–and I didn’t even like the DLC before I found that….
Perris, formerly known as me to me @ 3:03:
Absolutely right. Why is it that whenever Dems are attacked in any way they seem to squeal like little girls and produce dithering explanations? Maybe it will change when Madame Speaker takes over. (Damn, I still love her response of “Never. Does never work for you?”) It’s about damn time they took up your eminently workable and do-able strategy. (Sorry… “strategery”…) Or, in the immortal word(s) of a certain theropod:
ATTAAACCCKKK!!!!!
masaccio @
17
They are the status quo. Mock their mistakes and silliness. They let a war happen without scrutiny.
Dismiss the Pundits criticism as Washington insiders and groupies. Deride their “Beltway Values” and shallow, lazy work.
Do not suck up or try to win them over. That’s what they want.
joe @ 56
d r i f t g l a s s dares to mock David Brooks
newtonusr @ 24
Egregious – re: the predictions
Do those of us who predicted a bigger wave get any credit due to the stolen votes? ;)
punaise @ 57
Doghouse Riley ( http://doghouseriley.blogspot.com/ ) has been known to deconstruct Bobo from time to time as well. With devastating accuracy. That’s not a linky to a Bobo deconstruction, just to his blog, which is a whole group of fun.
Monk @ 2.54 -
Many thanks for monitoring these twits so the rest of the Lake doesn’t have to. You have lowered my upchuck factor significantly. *g*
ken mosher at 36 PS. Thanks for leaving me at the other bar
Well we were just trying to stick you with the bill again :)
Marion in Savannah @ 59
thanks – I’ll check it out. I like the humble heading on his blogroll: “Better Sites Than This One”
MayDaze @ 58
You get points in heaven. But the prediction was supposed to take all factors into account, including vote suppression.
Marion in Savannah @ 55
But when Dems do that, the corporate press labels them as “shrill”, “hateful”, “loony”, etc. The conservative press frames the debate and generates its own reality. We must destroy the infrastructure itself, which will kill our movement before it can get started.
Marion in Savannah @ 55
This essay by James Kroeger (it may be old news to some) provides similar guidance to Dems.
Swopa suggests:
And it is worth a look-see.
http://whateveritisimagainstit…..-quit.html
This seems as good a time as any for me to offer this Koufax nominated post from the Rittenhouse Review. Remember the Alpha girls? It takes a less corporate and more sociological look at the current state of our media elites.
Rob Zuber @ 64
But it doesn’t mean shout. When you’ve got the facts on your side, and those facts are presentedly cogently and repeatedly, that’s enough.
I’m tired as hell of seeing lefty-heads show up for pundit shows and get drilled because they don’t have those facts at their command. A ReThug drives the conversation in an unexpected direction and the lefty swallows, then reverts to talking points. Fuckin drives me crazy.
egregious @ 63
I’m an atheist, so points in heaven don’t really count (or, looked at the other way, maybe I really need them!).
egregious @ 63
un-be-friggin-believable;
holy crap, there was SUCH a tidle wave that DISPISE what this president has done to America, that they couldn’t rig the vote enough.
holy SHIT!
I knew they were rigging the machines and I was dumbfounded we won majority in both houses, now I see they underestimated the tidle wave of discontent;
WE HAVE KARL ROVE TO THANK…that’s right, he represented false security and they didn’t swing the machines enough becuase of it.
SWEET
but what does this tell us;
IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, AMERICA, FROM SEA TO GLORIOUS SEA WANTS THIS PRESIDENT TAKEN FROM OFFICE
nancy has to call the president on his clearly PARTCENT decisons, regarding the judges apponited, bolton, the end of oversite in Iraq and she must take a stand
THE PRESIDENT IS CONTINUING THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR REPULIC AND WE HAVE TO PUT AN END TO IT.
hopefully she has some serious plans to take hold immediatley after the changing of the guard
I have to marvel at what are John McCain’s (former Vietnam POW) inner thoughts (assuming this man has any) at the Bush trip to Nam and seeing the President kissing their asses. McCain. Another Bush boy-slut.
Rob Zuber @ 64
Outing has been devastatingly effective with the GOP closet cases.
If the ambitious MSM media knew they’d face personal scrutiny every time they played GOP attack dog, I wonder what might change?
When the story becomes Friedman’s cocaine habit or Bobo’s whip collection, their brand loses value.
Of course, the above imagined vices are provided for example only – I’m not suggesting they are sourced.
However, now that they have been stated, the current MSM rules seem to support the questions:
“Mr. Freidman, some people say your cocaine habit affects your columns. What do you say?”
“Mr. Brooks, you write about morality, yet some people say you pay a dominatrix to whip you. Can you comment – if she’ll give you permission?”
For the MSM “brand” pundits (print or screen), their value to their corporate masters depends on our emotions. When the audience likes them, they help the corporate message.
On-screen (or in-print) debates about the anchor/columnist’s words enhance their power. Water cooler jokes vitiate their power.
As the media talking heads and writing hands sell the rest of us out to get their lifestyle bucks, I’m quite OK with any aspect of that lifestyle being used to destroy their worth to their owners.
Of course, should the talking heads and writing hands find the personal attacks unwanted, they could always shift to covering news – rather than defamation – in their work lives.
Until then, they deserve total personal scrutiny and merciless attack.
That’s what their corporate masters do every moment – they just call it marketing.
(There will always be new ambitious narcissists, but they’ll come with the same target opportunities….)
Rob Zuber @ 64
the attack must emcompance the response
here’s an example;
every time corporate media wants to make a point that doesn’t exist, they start with something like oreilly just did;
in fact, there is not only a link, the two are one and the same, yet oreilly manages to promote the unqualified lie that only “left loons’ are saying it”
we can’t defend, we have to respond with push back, it’s what got us the majority back and it’s the way we HAVE to go about the moronic attacks
I apologize if this has already been suggested but I was reading the earlier post about the media problems … Fox News is really ghastly, ubiquitously aired, and panders to those who do not want their beliefs challenged and who hope that someone smarter than them is in charge.
We can complain about it but the reality is that a lot of people watch it and … a lot of advertisers support it.
We actually can do something about it. We can complain to those advertisers. We can develop a mass mailing list of email addresses and send out links to contact those advertisers and complain about specific offensive programs or guests or themes. We can tell those advertisers we won’t buy their products or use their services.
The true believers who do watch aren’t telling those advertisers they will buy what is advertised but if enough of us say we won’t … wouldn’t that make a difference?
Susan @ 74
The Mighty Wurlitzer has used this tactic because it gets them results. I’d love to see sustained progressive pushback on “sponsors” grow from the progressive media monitoring discussed here today.
Susan @ 3:44/74,
I’ll bet that would. The only thing they understand is the bottom line. It’s time to start making lists of who advertises where and letting those companies know we’re not buying their stuff because of MSM bias. Advertisers are VERY sensitive to criticism. I’ve made it a habit lately to comment on commercials I find offensive and I have ALWAYS gotten a response from the company. (Polite and concise commentary is necessary… ranting will NOT work.)
kirk murphy @ 72
Well, not everyone is quite quick or clever enough to pull off something like that. And the Dems don’t have that great a track record in that regard.
But, a certain amount of meanness gets the point across. Several decades ago, there was a guy named Joe Pyne (radio show and syndicated TV show) who was probably more libertarian than conservative, but had a genuinely nasty streak to him (he’d lost a leg in WWII, so it might have been a defense mechanism). Anyway, in the late `60s, he had Frank Zappa on, and he launched right in, on the attack from the get-go. The first thing he said to Zappa was, “so, I guess your long hair makes you a woman.”
Without missing a beat, Zappa replied, “I guess your wooden leg makes you a table.”
Politicians aren’t that good at repartee, these days. It’s best not to get into that situation unless you’ve got the skills to pull it off…. :)
It also does not help that the DLC and the NDC, which is the Congressional offshoot of the DLC, lent credibility to the media’s interpretation of the elections. Here are the new members of the DLC’s NDC:
- Gabby Giffords (AZ-8)
- Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
- Ed Perlmutter (CO-07)
- Joe Courtney (CT-02)
- Ron Klein (FL-22)
- Tim Mahoney (FL-16)
- Joe Sestak (PA-07)
- Heath Shuler (NC-11)
- Bruce Braley (IA-01)
- Chris Carney (PA-10)
- Nick Lampson (TX-22)
- Jason Altmire (PA-04)
- Kirstin Gillibrand (NY-20)
- Baron Hill (IN-09)
- Chris Murphy (CT-5)
- Patrick Murphy (PA-8)
All of them apparently condone this antiprogressive debasement of journalism.
jeffreyw @
7
Via Think Progress, from this Huffington post some numbers on share.
new thread
I have a client who just had knee surgery and needed to recuperate in a “center”. He’s in his 70’s and, while @ home, he has Fox News on in every room, all day long. The “center” doesn’t have wireless, so I had to go install one so he could have his PowerBook up all the time, and linked to “All-Winger” sites. Billo, Gibson, Malikin & Coulter; Limbaugh & Hannity, Horowitz & Kristol. This is all he knows.
Point is, for some of “them”, this point of view is their oxygen, and they’ll never be moved.
Screaming and shouting won’t do it. Even calm reason is useless. But facts and critical thought, delivered in considerate fashion can help define Progressive views as acceptable to those who would be convinced, folks who are genuinely considerate of views. The age of “He/She who shouts the loudest, wins…” may be over. I suggest we exploit it.
And Dog help me if he ever figures out my politics.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
This site has been on my daily rounds for a while now, I can recommend it without reservation, as highly snarkaluscious.
in the late `60s, he had Frank Zappa on, and he launched right in, on the attack from the get-go. The first thing he said to Zappa was, “so, I guess your long hair makes you a woman.”
Without missing a beat, Zappa replied, “I guess your wooden leg makes you a table.”
That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
montag @ 77
A beaut!
Renee in Ohio @
35
The UK organisation may well be interested in setting up in the US too – they are a properly registered UK charity and there is good oversight of UK registered charities.
montag @ 77
(back from the kitchen here…)
Thanks for the great laugh and the accurate assessment, montag.
Susan @
74
I just made a proposal over at Kos about a proactive approach to the &$ #@*_^ media.
I suggest that we all take a reporter out to lunch. Not to nail them for being tools but instead to cultivate them like politicians and money people do.
Let them see we are just folks and give them a chance to interact, we can even give them a story or two.
This is a long term grassroots project no media is to large or to small. I’ve already got a coffee date with the editor of my twice weekly home town paper.
But I will caution you that reporters will do an unfavorable story just to prove to you they are unbiased, but that’s just part of the dance.
A boycott is the most powerful means of protest. Why has the world forgotten this? IT’s TIME TO ORGANIZE BOYCOTTS! That will kick ‘em where it hurts.
kirk murphy @
75
Murdoch is changing his tactics currently. His viewership in Europe has dropped significantly – they seem not like Fox’s war reporting!His viewership in the US is also down. Currently, he is in Australia endeavouring to shore up his audiences there.
You may be interested to read this:
“Murdoch and Australia/American Relations”
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/9685
Phoebe is a “media person” in Australia and has been a Clark supporter for about three years (I met her 2005 in Little Rock).
Also, some people, including me, have noticed that several of the Fox reporters are treating Wes Clark with great respect now. John Gibson, in this interview for instance amazed me. He’s usually very rude to people:
http://securingamerica.com/node/1948
One way of fighting corporate media might be to shrink it enough to drown it in the bathtub.
How?
Make advertising no longer tax deductible.
It’s one thing to be screwed by corporate media. Quite another to be allowing them to do it with the public purse.
Paul Anderson @ 91
Brilliant!
Just the threat is a big stick…can’t wait to see it proposed for the Tax Code.
In the months following the 9/11 attacks, my local newspaper, a formerly blue newspaper in a blue town in the middle of a red state, put up a trailer in their parking lot in which they screened all the mail they received prior to any mail entering their office building.
And I’m certain you can guess why.
99 percent of all the powder-filled envelopes sent through our postal system since late 2001 and meant to terrorize other U.S. citizens (or corporations) into submission to a certain ideology have been sent by right-wing nut jobs.
99 percent.
And first John Ashcroft and then Alberto Gonzales at the Justice Department have been keeping a lid on the extent of right-wing Republican terrorist mailings that have occurred over the past five years.
For instance, how many powder-filled terrorist letters has Fox News received? None?
How many powder-filled terrorist letters has Air America received during the same time? Hundreds? Thousands?
In other words, news commentators say or report on something that upsets the right-wing terrorists in our midst and the commentator gets a surprise in the mail and death threats.
A judge rules against the right-wing terorist agenda and they get a surprise in the mail as well as death threats.
This is one of the most closely guarded secrets of the Bush administration, that some (many?) of it’s most crazed supporters (after getting pumped up with lies and smear tactics by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Neil Boortz, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, and a slew of other hate-mongering right-wing media hacks) sprinkle some powder in an envelope (envelopes?) and head down to the post office to mail them.
Thus, until this “hidden” campaign to subvert our democratic institutions is uncovered and exposed, some people might be left scratching their heads about why the main stream news media (in general) seem to be hard on the Democrats while playing softball with the Republicans.
Anyone playing “fair and balanced” with the Democrats, as well as telling the truth about the lies and corruption of today’s Republican Party, keeps getting surprises in the mail.
Thus, it takes great courage to stand up, speak the truth and defend our democracy from the worst, anti-democracy elements of the Republithug Party.
So, my hat’s off to y’all at Firedoglake. Your courage sets a shining example for the rest of us. Thank you.
Interesting thoughts from Robert Reich re Carville. My bet is #3.
Thursday, November 16, 2006
Why Are They Gunning for Howard Dean?
What can possibly account for the post-election victory party pummeling of Howard Dean by inside-the-beltway Democrats? Prominent Democratic consultants (James Carville, Stan Greenberg) go on the record (“you can quote me”) with complaints barely two weeks from a Democratic sweep. Leading congressional Democrats (Rahm Emmanuel) vent their anger vociferously (“on background”). Why? Dems now control both Houses and have twenty-eight governorships. Dean ought to be congratulated. So what’s the underlying agenda here? Three theories:
1. The only way a Dem gets on television after such a sweet victory isn’t by criticizing Republicans – it’s by criticizing fellow Dems. Stirring up clear waters grabs attention. Attention draws crowds. Crowds create power. Power is the name of the game in Washington, especially when formal control of Congress changes hands.
2. Dean’s strategy of putting money into state party infrastructure takes money out of the pockets of Washington insiders – away form Democratic consultants and key congressional party activists. That makes insiders angry.
3. Dean is an independent DNC chair, not under the sway of the Clintons. Unlike Ron Brown, who guided the DNC toward a Clinton victory in 1992, Dean doesn’t play the usual power games. Hence, the Clintons would like him out, and the sooner the better. Carville, Greenberg, and Emmanuel, among others, are doing their bidding.
Which is it? I’m not so cynical or conspiratorial as to believe any one of them. But you come up with a more credible theory.
posted by Robert Reich | 5:38 PM
montag @
6
This is right on! Dean and Pelosi are doing their jobs. Must pick their fights carefully and keep moving.
i don’t watch FOX and don’t know what advertisers they have. But if someone puts it out, I’ll be glad to write letters and assure advertisers of their non-support from our famiy.
I believe the democrats will do as the people want. They know they have 2 years to proove themselves to a public fed a steady diet of gop propaganda. They also know the people are hungry for change and for real legislation that benefit the country and people.
They know if they don’t fight for what is right and do what is needed they will be in the minority to an arrogant gop.
As for the media. Well, Christy knows how things work on Washington Journal. Calls are important in expressing our views. Especially when they have journalists on. This is direct voice of the people and if we call and express how we feel when they have journalists on they will have to respond.
And email email email the media.
And support people like Olbermann overwhelmingly.