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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385399&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pow wow @ 22 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Following up on a speculative comment I made in Late Nite about the &lt;b&gt;graymail status of the Libby case&lt;/b&gt;, after continuing to read the tea leaves of more new sealed and unsealed filings today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The CIPA Section 6(c) hearings are not yet concluded.  The next (tenth) CIPA hearing has been or will be scheduled, presumably for sometime after next week (when the Judge is on vacation).  The Intelligence Community &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; come through with some further substitutions to allow the government to revise its first (denied) motion of classified-substitutions.  Libby has responded to that revised proposal today with a sealed filing, and with a second sealed Memorandum about his proposed CIPA exhibits #71, #100, and #178.  #71 seems to be the State Department’s INR memo, which had apparently been allowed in to the satisfaction of both parties (as of a few weeks ago).  #178 sounds like it may be an entry from Libby’s notes (which had some apparently-minor IC redactions in it as of a few weeks ago).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Judge has &lt;i&gt;vacated&lt;/i&gt; his (quite-significant and well-analyzed by Christy earlier today) November 13th Opinion about the government’s first Section 6(c) substitution motion, for reasons of clarity, he says (based on an issue raised by the defense about its wording?).  He says he will re-issue an amended Opinion about his legal basis for ruling the way he does, probably at the conclusion of the Section 6(c) process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s difficult to tell how far apart the two sides remain, now.  The IC still seems to be struggling to meet the defense’s and Judge’s desire for more revealing substitutions.  How the Judge will rule in the end will make or break the still-viable graymail dismissal threat, and it now looks like it will be at least another week or so before a decision is made (depends on the timing of the next hearing(s)).  A government appeal is still possible as well, if the Judge doesn’t accept the proposed substitutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a torturously drawn-out and time-consuming saga this CIPA process has been in this case, for what is a part of the defense that doesn’t directly refute in any way the charges that have been brought against Libby. [Nine hearings to date, starting September 27 and running through November 15th; and that’s after all the work that was done by the IC as part of the discovery process.]  It’s the Libby team madly trying, first, to get an excuse to dismiss the case entirely, and, if that fails, trying to create some sort of reasonable doubt for the jury if the case makes it to trial (and if it meanwhile makes CIA employees work like demons on this, in the bargain, no doubt that’s just fine by Libby too…).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pow wow,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are these docs hosted on some public site or do I need to pull them off Pacer?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385399"><em>pow wow @ 22 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Following up on a speculative comment I made in Late Nite about the <b>graymail status of the Libby case</b>, after continuing to read the tea leaves of more new sealed and unsealed filings today:</p>
<p>The CIPA Section 6(c) hearings are not yet concluded.  The next (tenth) CIPA hearing has been or will be scheduled, presumably for sometime after next week (when the Judge is on vacation).  The Intelligence Community <b>did</b> come through with some further substitutions to allow the government to revise its first (denied) motion of classified-substitutions.  Libby has responded to that revised proposal today with a sealed filing, and with a second sealed Memorandum about his proposed CIPA exhibits #71, #100, and #178.  #71 seems to be the State Department’s INR memo, which had apparently been allowed in to the satisfaction of both parties (as of a few weeks ago).  #178 sounds like it may be an entry from Libby’s notes (which had some apparently-minor IC redactions in it as of a few weeks ago).</p>
<p>The Judge has <i>vacated</i> his (quite-significant and well-analyzed by Christy earlier today) November 13th Opinion about the government’s first Section 6(c) substitution motion, for reasons of clarity, he says (based on an issue raised by the defense about its wording?).  He says he will re-issue an amended Opinion about his legal basis for ruling the way he does, probably at the conclusion of the Section 6(c) process.</p>
<p>It’s difficult to tell how far apart the two sides remain, now.  The IC still seems to be struggling to meet the defense’s and Judge’s desire for more revealing substitutions.  How the Judge will rule in the end will make or break the still-viable graymail dismissal threat, and it now looks like it will be at least another week or so before a decision is made (depends on the timing of the next hearing(s)).  A government appeal is still possible as well, if the Judge doesn’t accept the proposed substitutions.</p>
<p>What a torturously drawn-out and time-consuming saga this CIPA process has been in this case, for what is a part of the defense that doesn’t directly refute in any way the charges that have been brought against Libby. [Nine hearings to date, starting September 27 and running through November 15th; and that’s after all the work that was done by the IC as part of the discovery process.]  It’s the Libby team madly trying, first, to get an excuse to dismiss the case entirely, and, if that fails, trying to create some sort of reasonable doubt for the jury if the case makes it to trial (and if it meanwhile makes CIA employees work like demons on this, in the bargain, no doubt that’s just fine by Libby too…).</p>
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<p>Pow wow,</p>
<p>Are these docs hosted on some public site or do I need to pull them off Pacer?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Deere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Deere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks, TRex, for doing everything you can. I try to read all of your posts, and always enjoy them. Good work!!! You have my deep appreciation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, TRex, for doing everything you can. I try to read all of your posts, and always enjoy them. Good work!!! You have my deep appreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385459&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;darkblack @ 77 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385427&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @&lt;br /&gt;
                47              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As Mr. Nelson questioned General Abizaid, the Arizona senator stood up to confer with Senator Susan M. Collins, a moderate Republican from Maine. At this, Mr. Lieberman got up and walked to the Republican side to join them in a brief, chuckling huddle, then ambled back to his party’s side with a glance at his colleagues as if to say, “You watching?”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;We’re&lt;/b&gt; watching, Senator Lieberman.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like we watched you take Mel Sembler’s money like a good little Neocon trollop.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like we watched you try race-baiting in the Connecticut primary when you thought no one outside the state was paying attention.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just like we watched your teacher’s pet act and tongue bath with George Bush.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; watching. Studying you, judiciously as it were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy your crumbs of power while they last.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What an odious worm of a man. Don’t you think the Senate Dems want to give him a wedgie and then throw him into a locker or the Ladies’ Room?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385459"><em>darkblack @ 77 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-385427"><em>scarecrow @<br />
                47              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>As Mr. Nelson questioned General Abizaid, the Arizona senator stood up to confer with Senator Susan M. Collins, a moderate Republican from Maine. At this, Mr. Lieberman got up and walked to the Republican side to join them in a brief, chuckling huddle, then ambled back to his party’s side with a glance at his colleagues as if to say, “You watching?”</p>
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<p><b>We’re</b> watching, Senator Lieberman.</p>
<p>Just like we watched you take Mel Sembler’s money like a good little Neocon trollop.</p>
<p>Just like we watched you try race-baiting in the Connecticut primary when you thought no one outside the state was paying attention.</p>
<p>Just like we watched your teacher’s pet act and tongue bath with George Bush.</p>
<p>We’re <em>always</em> watching. Studying you, judiciously as it were.</p>
<p>Enjoy your crumbs of power while they last.</p>
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<p>What an odious worm of a man. Don’t you think the Senate Dems want to give him a wedgie and then throw him into a locker or the Ladies’ Room?</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/the-wreck-of-a-pajamofascist-superstar/#comment-385661</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385382&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cory @ 8 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;thought you might enjoy this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4685&quot;&gt;Connecticut For Lieberman Gets New Chair&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Brilliant!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385382"><em>Cory @ 8 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>thought you might enjoy this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4685">Connecticut For Lieberman Gets New Chair</a></p>
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<p>Brilliant!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blub&lt;br /&gt;
Are you suggesting that someone has “notified the authorities” about Ms. Pamela’s threat?&lt;br /&gt;
If so, are the outcomes of such investigations&lt;br /&gt;
made public?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blub<br />
Are you suggesting that someone has “notified the authorities” about Ms. Pamela’s threat?<br />
If so, are the outcomes of such investigations<br />
made public?</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385525&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Margot @ 139 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The tasering incident at UCLA is horrifying.&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks to KO for looking into it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve yet to be convinced that arming campus cops with any weapon more effective than a Super Soaker is a bright idea.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385525"><em>Margot @ 139 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The tasering incident at UCLA is horrifying.<br />
Thanks to KO for looking into it.</p>
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<p>I’ve yet to be convinced that arming campus cops with any weapon more effective than a Super Soaker is a bright idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For what it’s worth, Pammy may just get a visit and some harsh stares from the very members of our friendly state security apparatus her ilk are always so keen to enable.  I think the last person they dropped in on and gestapofied was a 16 year old redhead honors student in Sacramento, and I’m pretty sure that was for threatening to a lot less than an entire Federal agency.  I’d love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it’s worth, Pammy may just get a visit and some harsh stares from the very members of our friendly state security apparatus her ilk are always so keen to enable.  I think the last person they dropped in on and gestapofied was a 16 year old redhead honors student in Sacramento, and I’m pretty sure that was for threatening to a lot less than an entire Federal agency.  I’d love to be a fly on the wall of that meeting…</p>
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		<title>By: jeffreyw</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffreyw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385536&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @&lt;br /&gt;
                150              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does anyone have a rational explanation why it’s right for Israel to have a homeland, and it is not right for the Palestinians to have a homeland?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Children of a lesser god?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385536"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @<br />
                150              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Does anyone have a rational explanation why it’s right for Israel to have a homeland, and it is not right for the Palestinians to have a homeland?</p>
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<p>Children of a lesser god?</p>
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		<title>By: Darkie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/the-wreck-of-a-pajamofascist-superstar/#comment-385584</link>
		<dc:creator>Darkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385426&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @&lt;br /&gt;
                46              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am sick to death of our government’s blind support for anything and everything the Israeli government decides to do. I am gawdamn tired of the American taxpayer providing weapons, loans and grant monies for Israeli follies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Careful, careful. As Mel Gibson found out, freedom of speech in the U.S. does NOT extend to crying “foul” in a crowded theater of war. ESPECIALLY not an Israeli one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385426"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @<br />
                46              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I am sick to death of our government’s blind support for anything and everything the Israeli government decides to do. I am gawdamn tired of the American taxpayer providing weapons, loans and grant monies for Israeli follies.</p>
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<p>Careful, careful. As Mel Gibson found out, freedom of speech in the U.S. does NOT extend to crying “foul” in a crowded theater of war. ESPECIALLY not an Israeli one.</p>
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		<title>By: Monk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Egregious&lt;br /&gt;
No. I have learned not to attempt this with my dog on my lap. He gets jealous when I sit at the computer, jumps on my lap and paws my hand off the keyboard. (He also jumps on me when I read the paper.)&lt;br /&gt;
What I have been trying to say is this.&lt;br /&gt;
The Soviets had the INTELLECTUALS committed to psych hospitals. I would hardly place Pammy in that category. Although I hesitate to perform a Bill Frist diagnosis…diagnosis by video…I think Ms. Atlas’ videos offer enough evidence to at least warrant a good mental status exam to determine a psychiatric disorder.&lt;br /&gt;
And as an aside, I think her indoctrination and use of her children in her propaganda videos borders on child abuse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Egregious<br />
No. I have learned not to attempt this with my dog on my lap. He gets jealous when I sit at the computer, jumps on my lap and paws my hand off the keyboard. (He also jumps on me when I read the paper.)<br />
What I have been trying to say is this.<br />
The Soviets had the INTELLECTUALS committed to psych hospitals. I would hardly place Pammy in that category. Although I hesitate to perform a Bill Frist diagnosis…diagnosis by video…I think Ms. Atlas’ videos offer enough evidence to at least warrant a good mental status exam to determine a psychiatric disorder.<br />
And as an aside, I think her indoctrination and use of her children in her propaganda videos borders on child abuse.</p>
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