
One last push, right over the cliff.
Okay, by now I'm sure you've heard about this article in the British Guardian newspaper:
President George Bush has told senior advisers that the US and its allies must make "a last big push" to win the war in Iraq and that instead of beginning a troop withdrawal next year, he may increase US forces by up to 20,000 soldiers, according to sources familiar with the administration's internal deliberations.
Mr Bush's refusal to give ground, coming in the teeth of growing calls in the US and Britain for a radical rethink or a swift exit, is having a decisive impact on the policy review being conducted by the Iraq Study Group chaired by Bush family loyalist James Baker, the sources said.
Although I guess it's news (however unsurprising) that Dubya prefers this option to admitting he's screwed Iraq up beyond repair, the emergence of the "one last push" concept was actually first reported a week ago by McClatchy News -- I posted about it here last Thursday, and Laura Rozen cited a more detailed version of the proposal taking shape. But that's nothing compared to what Laura reveals in a Los Angeles Times op-ed today:
This past Veterans Day weekend ... almost the entire Bush national security team gathered for an unpublicized two-day meeting. The topic: Iraq. The purpose of the meeting was to come up with a consensus position on a new path forward. Among those attending were President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, national security advisor Stephen Hadley, outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and National Intelligence Director John Negroponte.
. . . Participants were asked to consider whether the U.S. could really afford to keep fighting both the Sunni insurgency and Shiite militias — or whether it should instead focus its efforts on combating the Sunni insurgency exclusively, and even help empower the Shiites against the Sunnis.
To do so would be a reversal of Washington's strategy over the last two years of trying to coax the Sunnis into the political process, an effort led by U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad. . . It's the path of least resistance, according to its supporters, and it could help accelerate one side actually winning Iraq's sectarian conflict, thereby shortening the conflict, while reducing some of the critical security concerns driving Shiites to mobilize their own militias in the first place.
With only a bit of gallows humor, I called this option "probably the closest thing to a humanitarian gesture the U.S. can make at this point" a year and a half ago. And like Laura, I see it matching up with a number of other straws in the wind -- the rumored imminent departure of Khalilzad, the upcoming changes in the Iraqi cabinet (which I guessed might be increase the presence of Shiite party loyalists), and of course the general desperation of the situation in Iraq and the Shiites' demonstrated refusal to compromise on sharing power.
What's really intriguing is that it also seems to coincide with hints from Iran about a continued U.S. presence in Iraq not being such a problem for them, at least in the short term. (Like the American neocons/hawks they hoodwinked through Ahmad Chalabi into invading Iraq, the Iranians may have realized that toppling Saddam Hussein was a "catastrophic success.")
Just to be clear, the shape of the deal seems to be this: The U.S., Iran, and the Shiite-led government in Iraq all recognize that the situation there is dire, and there's not much room for playing games any more. In exchange for at least a nominal diminishing of gangster-cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's power (perhaps by taking away some of his faction's ministries), the U.S. will send more troops to try to contain violence in Baghdad -- even if this means boosting the clout of the SCIRI party (which is just as brutally theocratic and even more explicitly backed by Iran than Sadr's Mahdi Army, but with which the U.S. has oddly seen as being more amenable to cutting deals).
It's almost unthinkable that a White House where Dick Cheney still lurks would be willing to strike a bargain of any kind with Iran's government -- at least not without thinking they have some kind of laughable brilliant double-cross strategy waiting in the wings -- but that's what the tea leaves seem to be indicating at the moment.
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So if Clusterfuck changes his mind about what flavor of Iraqis to kill- or if he constrains his killing to only ONE flavor rather than ALL- does this constitute a change of tactics or a change in strategy?
I think they’re all BOZOS on that BUS!
Thanks Swopa, good news indeed! So nice they are talking about options for Iraq. Hope the purpose is to set the stage for a ‘graceful’ exit. Hm, so that’s where Condi was lately. No Jim Baker though. Without him can it be more than a pity-party?
Good picture- although I am fond of the “CLUSTERFUCK drove the tour bus into a cul de sac” image.
Hopelessly high centered is a good image as well.
Bush:Ok, Ok, I promise I’ll stop drinking after this one. All I want is one last drink.
Baker an Clusterfuck meet- “So if we say that ya oughta get out- YOU’RE gonna say “we oughta send more troops?”
What if WE say “Ya oughta send more troops- then what’re YOU GONNA SAY?
(how reports are written in Washington.)
Who’s gonna tell that first person that protested at the WH with a sign…NO BLOD FOR OIL…they were right?
“Frist person”
Bill must have been undercover.
One last push. Where did we hear that one before? French/Belgian/German borders, circa 1916, if my memory is correct.
That turned out really well, too.
“Our military leaders… have said repeatedly that there is no military solution here. So it seems to me we have got to begin to act as though we believe that….”
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....amp;f=1001
Works for me
Genius strategeryist Lt. Nutsack Assrocket wants one last big push in Iraq. Is this some kind of joke? No shit kidding. The “big push” is a phrase straight out of the movie, Lawrence of Arabia, directed by Sir David Lean.
The words appear while Peter O’Toole’s lead character, Major T.E. Lawrence, is talking to General Allenby in the British headquarters in Jerusalem. Allenby is unaware that Lawrence has been captured, imprisoned and raped by the brutal, sadistic Turk, Bey, and is trying to convince him to lead his “big push” into Damascus.
LAWRENCE
There may be honour among thieves, but
there’s none in politicians.
DRYDEN
And let’s no have displays of
indignation. You may not have known, but
you certainly had suspicions. If we’ve
told lies, you’ve told half-lies and a
man who tells lies, like me, merely hides
the truth, but a man who tells half-lies
has forgotten where he put it.
LAWRENCE
The truth is I’m an ordinary man. You
might have told me that, Dryden, and I
want an ordinary job, sir. That’s my
reason for resigning. It’s personal.
ALLENBY
Personal?
LAWRENCE
Yes, sir.
ALLENBY
Personal? You’re a serving officer in the
field, and as it happens, a damned
important one. Personal? Are you mad?
LAWRENCE
No, and if you don’t mind, I’d rather not
go mad. That’s my reason, too.
ALLENBY
Look, Lawrence. I’m making my big push on
Damascus the sixteenth of next month and
you are part of it. Can you understand
that? You’re an important part of the big
push.
LAWRENCE
I don’t want to be part of your big push!
Someone pointed out that “last push” was used in Lawrence of Arabia- by the brits- who were in a similar situation.
*tilt*
rwcole @ 13
The Big Push: Keeping to script:
http://haveskunk.blogspot.com/.....cript.html
What a maroon.
20.000 troops aint gonna do jack in that place.
It might be enough to secure part of Baghdad.
Can we send him into a time out soon and let some real strategerists have a crack at the plan?
oops- cross post
Here’s the howler- there AIN’T 20,000 fuckin troops ta SEND!
More gasoline on the fire, and we better hurry!
I bet the Saudis are really on board with all that Sunni bashing. What will they get, aside from a Greater Iraq on their border.
I’m sure the Turkish army is thrilled with the prospect, as well.
Clusterfuck- like a guy breakin up with his girl friend- says “Come on- let’s fuck one last time- just one last push- whaddya say?”
Gosh, its the NEW IMPROVED
EL SALVADOR OPTION
rwcole @ 18
Aren’t there some soon-to-be-unemployed GOP Congresscritters who could make themselves useful?
If Clusterfuck thinks that 20,000 more troops will save the day- then why hasn’t he sent em already- no one can stop him. This is bullshit- a negotiating ploy- to make the final settlement look more reaonable.
Somehow, this sounds like a formula for a lot of dead Sunnis.
Hope not.
I doubt that even 20,00 more US troops can make peace in Baghdad.
What’s laughable is that these clowns could come up with anything that is even remotely “brilliant.”
OT- Dorgan on C-SPAN arguing for sanity and restraint vis a vis India nuke resolution. Luger and Biden each say, “none of that for me, thanks”.
Dorgan: My amendment will try to hold India to the terms of the UN resolution on proliferation.
Biden: That’s so 1998.
Here’s how Clusterfuck thinks :
“I’ll give up the 20,000 troops I was GOIN ta send so that I won’t have ta give up any of the ones who are actually THERE..”
It’s all window dressing an bullshit- and there’s never even a bit of thought about really solving ANYTHING.
p.lukasiak @ 22
Duncan Hunter used that very analogy yesterday during a committee meeting. He ended his rant proclaiming its success is in evidence because we now have Salvadorans fighting in Iraq.
The media forgot to cover a story– Clusterfuck went off to southeast asia to anounce a big trade agreement with VietNam- but he forgot to get congress to agree to the change in status before the trip- when he asked- congress said “no”- so Clusterfuck is off for a fuckin week to announce an agreement that DOESN’T EXIST..
Incredible
Wake me when it’s over.
And he’s going to the Nam now!
Clusterfuck asks for Bolton again and gets rapped up the side of the head- by a gooper.
The mood’s not so good on the gooper side of the aisle.
When is Biden going to realize that he has not even the slightest chance of being nominated, let alone winning, the Presidency? Understanding this may prevent him from making an even bigger ass of himself in vain pursuit of some “winnable centrist strategy” that exists only in his own head.
The Ramones;
I wanna be sedated.
rwcole @ 30
This truly has been the worst blunder ever.
I blame Clinton. All that peace and prosperity made America susceptible to fundie con-men.
raven @ 31
Only about 35 years too late.
Are they still takin prisoners in the Nam?
OT Can yoiu believe that the WSJ actually published this piece by Jim Webb?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/.....=110009246
I thought that the WSJ opinion page was wingnut territory only.
Hypothetically
If Clusterfuck is taken prisoner in the Nam– would they waterboard him? Would it be torture?
Morris Sheppard @ 36
The Beer Hunter
Urban Pirate -
Just wanted to say thanks again for all your help last week. I hope all is well.
Yea, if we’d have had guys like him who knows, Charlie might have chieu hoi’d like a mamajama!
Bustednuckles @ 34
rwcole @ 18
What’s that I feel? Feels like a cold breeze blowing through the Army Guard and Reserve.
rwcole @ 32
Not only that:
“After calling for bipartisanship, President Bush surprised Senate Democrats with plans to renominate a controversial list of judges – some of whom may be unacceptable even to a few Republican senators.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/.....-nominees/
A little OT but too good not to share (from Foomkin today):
“Julie Mason blogs for the Houston Chronicle that this joke is in circulation:
“Q: How is Vietnam different from Iraq?
“A: Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam.”
Clsterfuck playin
“I am NOT a lame duck- look at all the shit I can stir up– watch it or I’ll hit ya with feces!”
(It’s the repsonse of sociopathic criminals once they are behind bars).
Now that we’re choosing a side, will we finally call it a civil war?
Somebody please tell me why America likes Shiites better than Sunnis. Folks are going to be asking . . .
God, they are still trying to make a tempest in a teapot over the majority fight on MSNBC
rwcole @ 39
Would CNN air it? Would they do it live or recreate it in animation?
I really think we can win this war if we insert 2 million more troops.
This “last push” is a PR effort by The White House to say to the military — “We back you and still want to complete the mission.” And if it doesn’t happen, they’ll blame the Democrats and say that the Democrats hate the military.
punaise @ 40
Go ahead. Make me laugh.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 49
Or as the Daily Show put it, a big money shot.
It would be torture for the Vietnamese! Imagine their translators trying to figure out WTF he was saying!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 49
Olbermann does interesting work with cardboard puppets.
Morris Sheppard @ 52
sorry about your “Mao!” spat
Incoming members of the “New Democrat” coalition:
Gabby Giffords (AZ-8)
- Michael Arcuri (NY-24)
- Ed Perlmutter (CO-07)
- Joe Courtney (CT-02)
- Ron Klein (FL-22)
- Tim Mahoney (FL-16)
- Joe Sestak (PA-07)
- Heath Shuler (NC-11)
- Bruce Braley (IA-01)
- Chris Carney (PA-10)
- Nick Lampson (TX-22)
- Jason Altmire (PA-04)
- Kirstin Gillibrand (NY-20)
- Baron Hill (IN-09)
- Chris Murphy (CT-5)
- Patrick Murphy (PA-8)
I am ready to vomit.
Vietnamese are going to unveil a memorial to the aviator who never made it to the war– the missing aviator.
So when will Kurdistan join the UN?
Sparkles the Iguana @ 11:40 am (#50)
That might work, if there two million more troops to send, and if they were similar in quantity to the ones we have there already. I suspect that would take about a decade to accomplish.
I realize you’re kidding, of course, I’m just pointing out why.
rwcole @ 18
“In addition, the U.S. and R.O.K. (South Korea) agreed to move 12,500 of the 37,500 U.S. troops out of Korea by 2008.”
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2800.htm
Perhaps this is where they would be coming from.
Bullseye as per usual Swopa, thanks.
Vietnamese fighter pilots to fly the missing plane formation in Clusterfuck’s honor.
Maybe there is still a seat on Hanoi Jane’s AA mount.
Vietnamese cookin up special CHICKEN dinner in Clusterfuck’s honor.
rwcole @ 11:45 am (#58)
It will reportedly be in the shape of a champagne glass holding a delta-winged plane.
rwcole @ 63
Also in his honor, one of them will crash upon landing back at base, just prior to the ritual keg party.
Vietnamese tour guides to arrange tours to old US air force bases that Clusterfuck never lived in.
Is George going to announce “Mission Accomplished” on his trip back from Vietnam?
-GSD
rwcole @ 65
Is he staying at the Hanoi Hilton?
Maybe he could have McCain’s old room.
OfT per Louisian Girl above, don’t know anything about this New Democratic Coalition
Clusterfuck plannin to give his famous- “We would have destroyed you if the liberal press hadn’t poisoned the minds of americans” speech to Vietnamese…
Vietnamese teevee plans to cover the whole visit- on the comedy channel. right after the show on southern cooking.
Louisiana Girl @ 57
What is wrong with just being a damn “Democrat”. Why the need to get cute with “blue dogs” and “new” and “yellow dogs”.
These “special clubs” are a testament to the need of certain representatives to take part in an even more “exclusive” group.
Being a Democratic member of the House isn’t enough for these people.
And isn’t it a slap in the face to the other Democrats that these people feel the need to form their “special” club so they can separate themselves from everyone else in their party?
It is all so freaking Liebermanesqe.
John Casper @ 71
read this press release from the New Democrat Coalition. According to the NDC, “Tuesday’s election gains came overwhelmingly from centrist Democratic candidates. These new members will join the over forty member strong House New Democrats to bring a commonsense center to Democratic policies and be critical players in passing legislation to help middle class families, keep America secure and ensure our economic competitiveness.”
Vietnamese plan to give Clusterfuck ceremonial robe- filled with ceremonial bloodthirsty fleas.
*xyz @ 73
xyz, we are in complete agreement. i am so glad i did not donate to any of these candidates, although i did contribute to many others.
YARMUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ignore them goopers behind the curtain tellin ya that the only dems that got elected were really goopers- it ain’t true- they’re dems.
Atrios has some good news:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Kate Szostak
November 16, 2006 202-224-5372
DODD: EFFECTIVE TERRORISTS PROSECUTION
ACT WILL BRING TERRORISTS TO JUSTICE;
HONOR AMERICA’S GOOD NAME
Washington- Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT), an outspoken opponent of the
Military Commission Act of 2006, today introduced legislation which
would amend existing law in order to have an effective process for
bringing terrorists to justice. This is currently not the case under the
Military Commission Act, which will be the subject of endless legal
challenges. As important, the bill would also seek to ensure that U.S.
servicemen and women are afforded the maximum protection of a strong
international legal framework guaranteed by respect for such provisions
as the Geneva Conventions and other international standards, and to
restore America’s moral authority as the leader in the world in
advancing the rule of law.
“I take a backseat to no one when it comes to protecting this country
from terrorists,” Sen. Dodd said. “But there is a right way to do this
and a wrong way to do this. It’s clear the people who perpetrated these
horrendous crimes against our country and our people have no moral
compass and deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But
in taking away their legal rights, the rights first codified in our
country’s Constitution, we’re taking away our own moral compass, as well.”
The Effective Terrorists Prosecution Act:
* Restores Habeas Corpus protections to detainees
* Narrows the definition of unlawful enemy combatant to individuals who
directly participate in hostilities against the United States who are
not lawful combatants
* Bars information gained through coercion from being introduced as
evidence in trials
* Empowers military judges to exclude hearsay evidence the deem to be
unreliable
* Authorizes the US Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces to review
decisions by the Military commissions
* Limits the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and
application of the Geneva Conventions and makes that authority subject
to congressional and judicial oversight
* Provides for expedited judicial review of the Military Commissions Act
of 2006 to determine the constitutionally of its provisions
“We in Congress have our own obligation, to work in a bipartisan way to
repair the damage that has been done, to protect our international
reputation, to preserve our domestic traditions, and to provide a
successful mechanism to improve and enhance the tools required by the
global war on terror,” Dodd said.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/200.....8466158828
Stu(pid) Rothenberg chimes in on Pelosi. It is of course a big “win” for the Republicans and a “crushing” defeat for Pelosi.
Beltway blather.
-GSD
Cujo359 @ 60
I was half kidding.
If we had 2 million troops to send, and if it would mean we could win this war in 6 months, I would say send them. Ten years is another matter.
What I don’t understand - and maybe it will take two decades and a hundred historians to find out - is, Bush is always saying he would put more troops in if the generals asked for them. All the generals who have spoken or testified publicly have said they didn’t see a need for more troops.
Why didn’t they see a need? Have they actually thought for the last 2 years that they could win this war with 140,000 troops?
Vietnamese special meal for Bush.
Stewed chickenhawk with sour Pickles.
-GSD
Vietnamese: We’re glad you were not C in C in the ’70s.
Bush: Huh?
Vietnamese: You fuckers might still be here.
greenboy says:
A brief glance at looong-time incumbent Hoyer’s voting record shows him to be a run-of-the-mill ‘old school’ House Dem - you know, the kind that goes-along-to-get-along, with a few basic principles (pro-choice, pro “safe” environmental issues, indebted primarily to business (mostly lawyers) to fund his campaigns. And like most of the Dem House ‘Old Guard,’ during the Reign of the Reptiles he was happy to cross the aisle on numerous occasions to vote for various odious pieces of shit legislation like the Patriot Act, hand-outs to agribusiness and the open checkbook to Shrubya’s various Jingoist Follies.
Now let’s see if Pelosi has the balls Hoyer lacks, and is able to whip boys like him and the other ‘Old Guard’ on her side of the aisle into some semblance of discipline.
I wouldn’t expect to see any real progressive initiatives coming out of Congress in the next 2 years under her leadership. But we should demand that at least they all bloody-well vote together as a team!
“35 years ago, Daddy Bush helped George W avoid going to Vietnam by putting him in the Air National Guard in Texas.
Today, Bush is going to Vietnam to avoid going to Washington.”
Thanks Louisiana Girl, it sounds like a big shout out to lobbyists that they are “open for business.”
Clusterfuck’s last stand…
Jack
*xyz @ 78
If it passes, I see the veto pen coming out for the second time. I expect to see a lot of the veto pen in these next two years.
John Casper @ 84
that sounds about right.
The truth about how we got to where we are in Iraq is almost too painful for the press to contemplate.
For example- Rummy wanted to get in and get out- remove Saddam and then boogie- so he refused to plan for a long occupation- cause there wasn’t one in his scenario- and no one in the White House told him to do otherwise. Time after time- key player in the docudrama just went their own way without communicating with ANYONE- and the president said NOTHING.
*xyz @ 78
That is good news. Let’s hope the Democrats have enough spine to pass this.
So Dodd is introducing this legislation to THIS congress- not the next? Wonder why!
saint dodd
TPM:
rwcole @ 90
It might be a good way to flush out new allies and to see who may be willing to dance.
-GSD
GSD
Best that the legislation could hope for is to make it all the way to the veto pen- but it will get lots of press.
When exactly did Bush make the FIRST big push ?
Here’s the deal. Escalate the violence in Iraq by taking sides in a civil war, wait two years while ‘Staying the Course’, then blame the resulting mess on the Democrats.
Two years from now, who will remember these steps were taken before the Dems took power.
I’ll wager my liberal credentials that this has to be the scheme.
Now that there are Dems to question, Matthews is back to not letting anyone answer any questions.
Hardball back on after a brief Republican respite.
-GSD
first big push was into a diaper.
Given his joking around about his “younger days” when he visited Katrina-ravaged New Orleans, I live in abject terror of what Georgie might say this week in Vietnam.
Clusterfuck won’t, of course, be doin any pushin. He’ll be “leading” the pushin efforts.
“PUSH you motherfuckers- PUSH!”
that’s how Clusterfuck leads.
Hey… just a quick apology for not being able to participate in the comments here. But if you have any questions for me, I should be around again at 6pm.
Kozmo @ 95
You mean putsch.
-GSD
rwcole @
65
You sure it ain’t crow.
“Abramoff, inmate No. 27593-112, was delivered to prison out of sight of reporters and camera crews. He will be held at a 334-bed, minimum-security prison camp.”
Time to atone, reflect and perhaps write a book?
Jack
Sparkles the Iguana @ 80
I think Taylor Marsh has answered this fairly well. Rumsfeld made it impossible for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and his deputy to talk to the President directly, which is something they are supposed to be able to do according to the Goldwater-Nichols Act. Thus, the generals publicly supported the position of their commander (Bush), without the commander actually being informed what the generals actually thought of Rumsfeld’s cunning plan.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/arc.....p?id=24838
This may not be the complete explanation, but it’s part of it.
I’ll also add that if you asked most generals whether the force we had over there at the start of the war was enough to defeat the Iraqi Army, they probably would have said it was. It was the occupation afterward that seems to have been the sticking point. Rumsfeld eventually told his generals not to even talk about an occupation, that this wouldn’t be a problem. Presumably, he thought that Chalabi and Co. would be picking up the reins from there.
As for the two million troops doing any good even if they were available, I tend to doubt it. Things have gone so far south over there that it’s hard to believe any amount of outside force could fix it, at least not without tremendous amounts of bloodshed over a protracted period. Iraq is a country that is so used to brutality from its government that it’s hard to imagine them working things out in any other way. They don’t seem to respect us any more, and I doubt they’d respect a truly international force under the U.N., either. I’m no expert on the Middle East and don’t claim to be, but after watching this for this long and seeing the reports sent back, it’s hard to escape these conclusions, particularly when many of the people on the ground over there seem to be saying the same thing.
Still, like you, if I actually thought it would do any good I’d be supportive of the idea. We helped create this mess, and we certainly bear a responsibility for cleaning it up if we can. I just don’t think it’s possible at this point.
Don @ 103
watertiger:
mc @
45
I emailed that joke to the Prairie Home Companion joke show a year ago.
Per Billmon one of the conservative new democrats
Maybe we’ll get lucky and Stupie will wind up in a room full of mirrors, all of which point to a doorknob.
No more pushing. It’s time for a Caesarean.
Vietnamese who serve Clusterfuck while he’s in country have been trained to make chicken sounds at low volume for his entire stay- and flap their arms slightly after the manner of a Hanoi Hen.
Buckk–buckbuck buck!!!