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		<title>By: cmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you can not replace a party full of corrupt liars with another party of corrupt liars and expect change. the karmic wheel just doesn’t work that way. the dems won because of some kind of divine intervention. the republicans actually imploded on themselves. it had nothing to do with how well the democrats represented themselves to john and jane q. unless and until we actually start telling the truth and accepting the real truth about both sides of the fence we’re just rooting for a football team. these people are getting wealthy beyond belief(all of them)using the dumb money. simply put that means your money. pick up the clue phone, it’s ringing and it’s for you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can not replace a party full of corrupt liars with another party of corrupt liars and expect change. the karmic wheel just doesn’t work that way. the dems won because of some kind of divine intervention. the republicans actually imploded on themselves. it had nothing to do with how well the democrats represented themselves to john and jane q. unless and until we actually start telling the truth and accepting the real truth about both sides of the fence we’re just rooting for a football team. these people are getting wealthy beyond belief(all of them)using the dumb money. simply put that means your money. pick up the clue phone, it’s ringing and it’s for you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raving Badger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385637</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raving Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Taylor,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would have you know that Sandra Day O’Connor is a very well-respected jurist internationally as well. Few outside the legal community are aware of her extensive work with CEELI (Central Eastern European Law Iniative/Institute) in creating the foundations for functioning judiciaries and civil rights frameworks for post-Cold War countries. She is amazing and is very quiet about her work spreading democracy to former Communist countries. She is the very best qualified person in the US to help Iraq form a working (and very necessary) judiciary. Gimme me (and her) a break!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor,</p>
<p>I would have you know that Sandra Day O’Connor is a very well-respected jurist internationally as well. Few outside the legal community are aware of her extensive work with CEELI (Central Eastern European Law Iniative/Institute) in creating the foundations for functioning judiciaries and civil rights frameworks for post-Cold War countries. She is amazing and is very quiet about her work spreading democracy to former Communist countries. She is the very best qualified person in the US to help Iraq form a working (and very necessary) judiciary. Gimme me (and her) a break!</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385631</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t worry too much about the make up of the ISG. They will come up with vague statements about “engaging regional players to assure security in the region” and Bush will read it (ok he’ll like look at it as they hand it to him) and he’ll say words about the valuable insight they bring through their combined years of service and experience and he will ignore it for 2 years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then in ‘08 GOP candidates will run around the country with secret plans to extricate the US from Iraq while they attack the dems for being soft on terra.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t worry too much about the make up of the ISG. They will come up with vague statements about “engaging regional players to assure security in the region” and Bush will read it (ok he’ll like look at it as they hand it to him) and he’ll say words about the valuable insight they bring through their combined years of service and experience and he will ignore it for 2 years.</p>
<p>Then in ‘08 GOP candidates will run around the country with secret plans to extricate the US from Iraq while they attack the dems for being soft on terra.</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385625</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385308&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 101 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385300&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;punaise @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;salon.com &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/11/16/voting/index.html&quot;&gt;War Room:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Reid vows legislation on robo-calls, phony sample ballot . . .&amp;etc&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Good. Because HoJoe used them against Ned Lamont. He had a number of different robocalls. One of HoJoe’s robocalls apparently used Ned’s voice and tied up people’s machines. People complained and thought it was us. We told them our campaign management was strictly against leaving messages on people’s machines. Which was true. HoJoe tried to screw us with than one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really?????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I never heard about that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385308"><em>mui @ 101 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-385300"><em>punaise @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>salon.com <a href="http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/11/16/voting/index.html">War Room:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Reid vows legislation on robo-calls, phony sample ballot . . .&amp;etc</p>
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<p>Good. Because HoJoe used them against Ned Lamont. He had a number of different robocalls. One of HoJoe’s robocalls apparently used Ned’s voice and tied up people’s machines. People complained and thought it was us. We told them our campaign management was strictly against leaving messages on people’s machines. Which was true. HoJoe tried to screw us with than one.</p>
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<p>Really?????</p>
<p>I never heard about that.</p>
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		<title>By: the other valley girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>the other valley girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Sandy O’Connor was retired because her husband was ill (not that she would be personally emptying the commode and feeding him bottles of Ensure)…she retired and that’s how the SC opened up to allow Alito…..now she has enough time to “work” on this group?  Isn’t anyone suspicious?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like she got bored so she was up for this project to burnish her “reputation”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the Bushes owe so much to Sandy for 2000 election stealing…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Sandy O’Connor was retired because her husband was ill (not that she would be personally emptying the commode and feeding him bottles of Ensure)…she retired and that’s how the SC opened up to allow Alito…..now she has enough time to “work” on this group?  Isn’t anyone suspicious?</p>
<p>Sounds like she got bored so she was up for this project to burnish her “reputation”.</p>
<p>And the Bushes owe so much to Sandy for 2000 election stealing…..</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385273&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 69 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385254&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;MayDaze @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385217&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GrandmaJ @ 21&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And won’t Steny Hoyer make sure there is a go slow approach in the House? Can Hoyer short circuit the investigations in the House?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I see no good coming from this — none. Although with a dem Congress we can directly go after some of them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hoyer can’t do a whole lot. The power rests with the Speaker and the relevant Committee Chairmen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Hoyer can’t do a whole lot.” I admit I might be quite naive. But if Hoyer exists to do nothing then why didn’t they give the Speaker who she wanted? Are we saying Steny was just PR? I don’t get it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take a look at David Sirota’s take on this situation &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidsirota.com/index.php/2006/11/16/hoyer-vs-murtha-a-pelosi-win-win/&quot;&gt;http://davidsirota.com/index.p.....i-win-win/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385273"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 69 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-385254"><em>MayDaze @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-385217"><em>GrandmaJ @ 21</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And won’t Steny Hoyer make sure there is a go slow approach in the House? Can Hoyer short circuit the investigations in the House?</p>
<p>I see no good coming from this — none. Although with a dem Congress we can directly go after some of them.</p>
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<p>Hoyer can’t do a whole lot. The power rests with the Speaker and the relevant Committee Chairmen.</p>
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<p>“Hoyer can’t do a whole lot.” I admit I might be quite naive. But if Hoyer exists to do nothing then why didn’t they give the Speaker who she wanted? Are we saying Steny was just PR? I don’t get it.</p>
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<p>Take a look at David Sirota’s take on this situation <a href="http://davidsirota.com/index.php/2006/11/16/hoyer-vs-murtha-a-pelosi-win-win/">http://davidsirota.com/index.p&#8230;..i-win-win/</a></p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385480</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ISG is composed of actual grownups, whether we like their resumes or not.  I view it as a positive sign that there are thinking people, who have power, that are now engaged in the question of how to disentangle ourselves from Iraq.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish them well.  It’s an awful responsibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ISG is composed of actual grownups, whether we like their resumes or not.  I view it as a positive sign that there are thinking people, who have power, that are now engaged in the question of how to disentangle ourselves from Iraq.  </p>
<p>I wish them well.  It’s an awful responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385474</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Fortunately they can’t send in any more troops.  THERE AREN’T ANY.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both Webb and Murtha have publicly said so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately they can’t send in any more troops.  THERE AREN’T ANY.</p>
<p>Both Webb and Murtha have publicly said so.</p>
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		<title>By: DutchHenry</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/16/about-that-iraq-study-group/#comment-385454</link>
		<dc:creator>DutchHenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DefJef @&lt;br /&gt;
35 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why not put a group together of university professors? How about Juan Cole and a few who speak arabic? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Racism rules their day.Moreoevr, I think this group was put together for our(US) comsumption and not the Arabs or Iraqis.And hence that’s why most of the suggestion of this group(ISG) is destined for failure.Juan Cole his too smart for the group.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DefJef @<br />
35 </p>
<p>Why not put a group together of university professors? How about Juan Cole and a few who speak arabic? </p>
<p>-Racism rules their day.Moreoevr, I think this group was put together for our(US) comsumption and not the Arabs or Iraqis.And hence that’s why most of the suggestion of this group(ISG) is destined for failure.Juan Cole his too smart for the group.</p>
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		<title>By: Primordial Ooze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Primordial Ooze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-385232&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DefJef @&lt;br /&gt;
                35              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Why not put a group together of university professors? How about Juan Cole and a few who speak arabic?
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can’t the Dems do this now?  Call it laying the ground work for a realistic and informed Iraq plan, unencumbered by political agenda.  Throw in a few reasonably apolitical generals and Bob’s your uncle and Fanny’s your aunt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-385232"><em>DefJef @<br />
                35              </em></a></p>
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Why not put a group together of university professors? How about Juan Cole and a few who speak arabic?
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<p>Can’t the Dems do this now?  Call it laying the ground work for a realistic and informed Iraq plan, unencumbered by political agenda.  Throw in a few reasonably apolitical generals and Bob’s your uncle and Fanny’s your aunt.</p>
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