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Digby deconstructs several articles about Karl Rove, miscalculations and Republican strategic failures and "magical thinking." And it adds up to a whole lot of oops.
I think what shocks me the most about this article is that it reveals that Rove actually believed they would definitely win based on his magic numbers. I assumed he was "projecting" confidence as any political strategist would do. I honestly didn't know he was delusional.And this delusional man's power was unprecedented for a political advisor....
Karl Rove never got Bush a mandate and yet advised him to govern as if he'd won in a landslide. (Maybe he showed Junior some "metrics" that proved that even though he had a tiny majority, it meant his wingnut policies were hugely popular.) And he's been as responsible for the awful state of American politics and malfeasance in office as anyone in the White House. He barely escaped indictment earlier this year.
Can somebody explain to me why the taxpayers are still paying his salary?
Well, that IS a good question, isn't it? And can someone explain to me why the taxpayers were paying his salary while he was "the architect" of this grand Republican election loss in the last cycle? Because, frankly, I think that is an awfully bad return on my tax dollars.
And so long as we are asking questions, can I get some of my money back on the salary we've been paying Rummy the last six years? Because he flat out stank. I swear, this is the Enron of presidencies. "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat...pres...oooops!" Isn't it about time we called them on the fact that they have known the rabbit wasn't there all along?
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I am sure they pray for a rabbit every time, but it just doesn’t take.
Buullwinkle!
And don’t get me started on what they think they are pulling out of those pink boxes…
“THE Math”. All time moron line right there.
Rove — the man can’t bluff for shit.
While we’re asking questions about mythical giants of political strategy, what’s up with the Rahm-for-Rove trade in much of the MSM? Does the failure of the old genius (Rove) mean they have to find a new genius to replace him? If so, it’d be nice if they latched on to the right genius.
Howie Klein has a post up by Paul Lukasiak, deconstrucing the “Rahm won the House” meme that’s been flying around. Paul points to six reasons the Democrats took the House, despite Rahm’s political strategies, and all of them are related to progressive politics.
(And he’s even got charts and numbers and stuff, for everyone interested in THE math.)
Maybe they would have won if only those in the White House had clapped harder…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 5
He’s never had to. Rove had one or two ways of cheating that worked great until it became clear that (1) he always cheats, and (2) he does it in predictable ways.
Rove is no genius, and he never was. He’ll either start noticing that in the near future, or he’ll get flattened by the great steamroller of history.
My money’s on the steamroller.
OT.
Feingold is named as one of the Deputy Whips in the Senate.
-GSD
This trick never works!
I’m waiting to see the powder incident be blamed on leftist bloggers.
Rove — no longer the Zen Master…
Picture Karl in meditation with full garb
Jack
Rove is a simpleton really. He targets the LCD (lowest common dominator) of human traits, racism, homophobia, fear of ANY outsiders, and greed. Nothing “genius” about this but it does work, but only for a time. He’s a one trick pony. What’s that famous line (by Goebbels I think). A lie can only prevail so long as the economic and social consequences of the lie are kept from the deceived. Well, the deceived are waking up, albeit it much too slowly.
Feingold–yay!
or…… the katrina of presidencies?
I’ve always found the greatest GOP hypocrisy to be their political platform of being the party of moral, family and Christian values while thrilling in having Karl Rove as their primary political strategist.
That, to me, would be like Jesus preaching his message of peace and love and kindness then going out and hiring Satan to do the behind-the-scenes work.
egregious @ 10
Obviously, Christy and Jane pissed him off by being so damned liberal all the time. And I’ll bet they like “Star Trek,” too.
Saw a couple of stories recently that presented Rove as actually believing his own shit about holding both houses until about 8 o’clock on election night when he appeared in front of Clusterfuck sayin “We’ve failed master- we’ve failed- woe is me”
If true- then this fucker is way around the bend in terms of the Wishful Thinking Tour de Prance.
In response to an ongoing lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the CIA has acknowledged the existence of two documents authorizing it to detain and interrogate terrorism suspects overseas. For more than two years, the CIA had refused to either deny or confirm the existence of the documents and had argued in court that doing so could jeopardize national security.
….The two documents in question are a directive signed by President Bush granting the CIA the authority to set up detention facilities outside the United States and outlining interrogation methods that may be used against detainees, and a Justice Department legal analysis specifying interrogation methods that the CIA may use against top Al-Qaeda members.
http://www.talkleft.com/
Rush says that the powder was harmless–unless the liberals had stopped takin their medication—in which case it’s their own fuckin fault.
Heh,I love that picture.(oh,and Christy,there’s a box set of Looney Tunes coming out,with classic Bugs,Wyle E and Roadrunner,etc. If the Mad Scientist/Innnnteresting Monster episode is on it I am SO ordering it) My 12 yr old son does a perfect Bullwinkle,cracks me up every time. When I was little I loved Bullwinkle,except I called him Bulltwinkle,lol.
The Rove Manifesto has an eyecatching,flashy cover and a fancy title page,but the rest of it is empty,gilt edged pages(some of the pages might have doodles on ‘em). No substance,no yummy filling,very boring and predictable. They know marketing and advertising and how to appeal to greed and arrogance,but that’s pretty much it. Successful governance was never the goal in the first place though. Trash it,blame someone else and skip away with all the valuable goodies is the plan in a nutshell. I’ve known juvenile delinquent teenagers who would be better at governing than this bunch.
OT, our first candidate for Bushco Political Joke of the Day:
“…Tehran must play a constructive role in the Middle East…”
Bush brain was lobotomized courtesy of the American voters.
That specimen should go in a formaldehyde jar marked “abby-normal”.
-GSD
rwcole @ 19
Sorry, but…does the powder being harmless mean that sending it was less illegal or less a threat?
Rush Limbaugh is a big, fat idiot.
Watching W’s “thumpin’” presser last Wednesday, as he corrected reporters and talked about the individual races, I could almost see the Rove part of his brain engage. Rover’s morning-after happy talk was a steaming pile of it’s-not-that-bad-sir, and the eager BoyKing lapped it up and then spit it up for the press: “See what I did!”
It’s getting easier and easier to spot when Junja’s been told what to say, as yesterday when he talked about being “impressed with the membership” of the B/H-ISG. That was hardly what anyone was interested in hearing, the membership having been public record for some time. Softer, gentler, less belligerent — smells like BigFoot!
This is the same “New Math” that got us into Iraq.
Kerry’s inability to deliver a (not really funny anyways) joke aside.
It reminds me of all the venture capitalists who actually thought that profit was insignificant compared to market share.
Kark had one thing right.
There is only “the math”.
Too bad he and his buddies spent more time ginning the numbers than reading them.
Fundamentals win in the end (educational fundamentals, that is).
Morning everyone. I’m late & EPU-material yet again.
What a delightful post! I still feel as if this past week has been a dream. WOW!
The more folks delve into this rovianfiasco, the more that whole gang conjures up a vision of a whole SET of nekkid emperors, sorta like those nested Russian dolls, only definitely not so pretty.
Or maybe just a big onion, the more layers you peel away, the less substance you find.
-sorry- maybe if I just finish my coffee & shut up, I’ll learn sumpin’*blush*
Anyway. Happy ElectionDay 1st-Anniverary!
Rove’s latest, and perhaps final, assignment- is to save the reputation of the boy king against a hail of inconvenient truths- beginning with the fact that he’s an idiot who has fucked up the country..
Rove’s instincts are to first prove that his Pygmalian is NOT a lame duck by showin him on TEEVEE daily acting like he’s still in charge!
(Ya gotta act like yer shit don’t stink an yer still king of the universe- say shit like “If the democrats will bring me their carefully thought out proposals- I shall consider them- in due course- if I feel like it- and if they don’t forget my birthday”)
So far it ain’t workin so good!
rwcole @ 17
Bush’s Brain according to Steve Bell.
Puma—I just made that one up–ala the Rush charge against Michael J Fox…
Guess it didn’t work too well.
rwcole @ 29
It doesn’t pay to parody Rush. He parodies himself.
Beg to differ (first time, I think) with the brilliance that is Digby, but methinks someone forgot Rasputin in making the quoted statement….
OT, but grafix-related:
My Boy Scout patrol appealed all the way to National in order to be allowed to name ourselves Bullwinkle Patrol, because local wisemen told us the Handbook didn’t permit cartoon animals, but we were quirky and anti-authority in 1965. We won.
Let the rabbit hunt begin. Bring out the hounds.
Nice Pelosi/W. cartoon. “Nancy911″ here tooclean up the house and instill disipline and manners in the Repbulican man/childs.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizo.....benson.jpg
If you look back on the history of this administration- they have achieved nothing of value in the area of policy–(unless ya count losin a war).
Their political victories are ONE- 2004.
They didn’t really win in 2000 and 2002 was all 9/11…
They could have been unseated in 2004 but Rover did a pretty good job of takin out Kerry with the aid of the swift boaters- and Delay won some house seats by redistricting Texas early. That’s the size of her.
OfT, but per GSD, above and from mydd
They told Lieberman4Lieberman to go Dick Cheney himself.
EvilDrPuma @ 23
Well, this comes from someone who CAN’T stop taking medication, so consider the source.
Poor Rove got so used to creating reality and getting away with it, he made the mistake of getting complacent and now reality is smacking him square in the face. He’s resisting the deluge.
Adie, got some mind’s eyewash with those nested dolls? eeeek!
scribe @ 31
How about “…unprecedented for an American political advisor?” (As far as I know, Rasputin had nothing to do with the Wilson administration….)
rwcole @ 35
“NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!” shout thousands of voices from Ohio.
HE DID NOT WIN OHIO!
He STOLE Ohio!
Therefore…. Z.E.R.O. is their sum total.
OT, my daily affirmation:
my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside
punaise @ 41
May I please join your parade?
I detest everything that “person” stands for.
adie—Yeah–well I guess you have to decide whether or not to count theft as a political art form.
EvilDrPuma @ 39
Rasputin was a spritual advisor ………
And “Misogyny’s Greatest Hits” just keep on coming! Andrew Sullivan deserves more than TRex’s plucking. It’s time to shun him. One last link tells why:
http://time.blogs.com/daily_di.....peaks.html
Adie @ 42
by all means. welcome aboard.
fahrender @ 44
but he didn’t drink sprite …..
Now that Blackwell’s out of office- it would be great to see some prosecutions for Ohio 04 ta see if a prosecutor can shake lose some ratting on Rover.
Adie @ 42
Lieberman stands for something? Why didn’t I get this memo?
punaise @
41
Seconded.
Lieberman stands fer TeeVee with no fucking on it.
rwcole @ 43
oooohh, ya got me there - i do not like policing the arts.
what was that artistic statement awhile back that had something cherished & revered soaking in, well, you know . . .
if that was art, then okay, i suppose . . .
John Casper @ 36
According to reports, Reid promised Lieberman retention of his senority and the chair of the Committee of Homeland Security. This is assuming, as L. has said a few times, that he will caucus with the Dems. But then on Sunday he told Russert he hasn’t ruled out crossing the aisle, and that everything depends on how he’s “treated by the Dems.”
For him it’s obviously all about ego and nothing else. Katie Couric-Pie said on her broadcast that Joe’s mother told him that under absolutely NO circumstance should he cross over to the GOP. Katie also said Joe was a “mama’s boy.”
W’s father. Joe’s mother and wife. Family affairs inform politics, and brackets the US Constitution and domestic and foreign policies. The biggest losers, besides Americans, are the troops who have died SO FAR in Iraq.
In my opinion, part of the reason for Rove’s bluster is explained by the numbers below (I posted this previously sometime a few days ago). These “interesting” swings may also be the explanation for the gop.com-started dismissal and denigration of exit polls that started on or near election day. I really want Jon Tester - (a fantastic new farmer legislator from all indications) - and Jim Webb to be given full credit for the solid victories they won in their respective “red states.” And scrutiny to be applied to the many still-in-limbo house races that have no exit polls to use as a guard against fraud.
Why did Virginia and Montana become cliffhanger Senate races, in defiance of the election day exit polls?
Using numbers provided by blogger TruthIsAll, and posted at DU by commenter ‘autorank’ (in the Election Reform Forum), these are the exit polls (last valid, unadjusted-to-actual-results sample at 7 p.m.) taken for the Senate races vs. the final vote percentages from the electronic-vote-counting apparatus:
Virginia
Exit Poll (based on the word of voters who just cast their vote and thus, historically, pretty darn accurate) gave Jim Webb (D) 53% and George Allen (R) 46%.
The electronic computerized tally begged to differ with that election day exit poll, and gave Jim Webb 50% to George Allen’s 49%.
Montana
Exit Poll gave Jon Tester (D) 53% and Conrad Burns (R) 46%.
The electronic computerized tally (including some middle-of-the-night re-start of the count in GOP-heavy Yellowstone County) gave Jon Tester 49% to Conrad Burns’s 48%.
Summary: In Virginia, Jim Webb was leading George Allen by 7% according to actual voters reflected in the 7 p.m. exit polls on election day. Webb allegedly ended up only leading George Allen by 1% after the electronic voting system finished tabulating.
And in Montana, Jon Tester was also leading Conrad Burns by 7% according to actual voters reflected in the 7 p.m. exit polls on election day. But Tester also allegedly ended up leading Conrad Burns by only 1% after the electronic voting system finished tabulating.
Do not discount the unverifiable manipulations of computerized tallies that may have transpired behind the scenes. It appears the advice to overwhelm the margin of fraud may have just done the trick, with regard to the Senate races. Their guess at a margin was a little low, and small wonder neither loser objected very strenuously…
Unfortunately, we have no exit polls to use as a comparison in places like Mean Jean’s repeatedly-questionable district in SW Ohio… Who knows how many key House races had similar “help” from the wizardry of secret computer code in partisan hands.
And just to give the context here: In New Jersey and Tennessee, the 7 p.m. exit polls exactly matched the final vote count in those races (an 8% win in NJ and a 3% loss by Ford in TN). In Missouri the exit polls gave McCaskill a 2% lead, and she won with 3%. In Ohio, the exit polls gave Brown a 14% lead, and he won with 12%. In Pennsylvania, the exit polls gave Casey a 15% lead, and he won with 18%. Finally, in Rhode Island, the exit polls gave Whitehouse a 7% lead, and he won with 6%. [TIA didn’t list the CT race with the others.]
There’s obviously much more in the way of number-crunching that can be done with these exit polls, and will be, but I just want people to take these “official” unverified-by-any-public-monitor and unwitnessed-by-any-human (to our knowledge) vote counts with the grain of salt they deserve.
rwcole @ 51
Yeah, pretty much. I used to work in the video game business in the nineties, and Holy Joe was a figure of much contempt in the industry for his endless crusades against video game violence.
There was an excellent bitch-out of him done by one of the game magazines, with a picture that I need to find and scan. It showed a scene from the “Mortal Kombat” game where one fighter had pulled the head off the other and was holding it up like a trophy, spinal column dangling underneath. The magazine people had photoshopped Joe’s face in place of the loser’s head. Priceless.
rwcole @ 48
I went back to the wikipedia article I read some time back, and was still amazed at the number of lawsuits brought against him. Worth another read to perhaps see what the future holds for him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Blackwell
My guess is that the Republicans were planning to be content with holding the Senate, but failed to plan sufficient election fraud to compensate for an unexpectedly large turnout by an unexpectedly ticked-off electorate.
I think their plan was to give up the House, hold the Senate, and spend two years in a stalemate. In 2008 they’d blame the nation’s woes on the “Democrat controlled House.”
As the narrow victories in key Senate races demonstrated, they almost got their wish. They simply underestimated one thing… the power of the Blue America movement!
I don’t think the Republicans were completely delusional or incompetent regarding their election plans - only moderately delusional and incompetent. I think they placed too much trust in the power of Senate incumbency, too much trust in their ability to suppress and flip votes in key Senate districts (see Pow Wow’s numbers in #54, posted while I was writing this), and also had too little belief in grassroots electoral movements, and the depth voter dissatisfaction.
pow wow, excellent comparisons, I had not seen that yet, thank you.
EvilDrPuma @ 49
boy. gettin’ shot down somethin’ nasty today. *g*
of course you’re right, but my evil voice keeps wanting me to respond with several rejoinders that would break my own personal code of parlance, ahem…. Therefore, I shall remain silent on the subject. I’m sure you can find something colorful to fill in the blanks, heh.
No. Please. I insist. Be my guest. *passes extra-length keyboard thru the toobes*
I like how somehow the elections are trying to be spun as 43 needing to work with 41. Well he lost his last election as well. 43 must work with the people today, not more back room deals. I did not see people go out and vote to 41 last week.
Albatross at 57 — I keep wondering how much of the vaunted GOP turn-out machine ended up turning out votes of disgruntled, disgusted former Republican supporters who voted for Dems? Because I was getting a LOT of e-mail from angry former wingnut types for the last three or four weeks prior to the election…and I wonder how many of those folks got GOTV calls and went to the polls to register complaint votes AGAINST the GOP.
Dan Froomkin on the Unbelievable Karl Rove
OT: Fumbling its stadium negotiations with the SF49ers, my fair city is forced to withdraw its 2016 Olympics bid. Keeping the 49ers was DiFi’s first post 11/7-expenditure of political capital, which seems to have gone seriously off track.
I was not a fan of the Olympiad bid, but Herb Caen used to call ours “The City That Works.” Seems that might no longer be appropriate.
My pleasure, Teddy. And thank you for your many perceptive and well-stated insights of late about the political scene.
Christy Hardin Smith @
61
Has there been a survey to ferret this out? Or is one in the making?
How much in taxpayer dollars has been paid to these clowns in the bonuses they reinstated for government employees?
TeddySanFran @ 63
good ole Herb Caen, the Sacamenna Kid done good. his column, a fixture at our breakfast table when I was growing up in the ‘burbs, gave us a glimpse into the glamour and squalor of the big city. he also used to call SF “Baghdad by the Bay”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
We heard the same thing in canvassing — Republicans coming up to us, volunteering that they had always been Republicans but were voting straight Dem as a protest.
sofistic at 65 — I know that some folks were trying to work on that question, but it is a tough one to quantify, truly. Will be interesting if someone can come up with some firm numbers on this. I, for one, would love it if they do, because I’d love to know the answer. I know that there was a 4% GOP turnover number that was floated out early after the election, but I don’t know how much back up has been done on the early numbers. We got a HUGE chunk of “independents,” and how much of that factors into flipped GOP votes…I just don’t know as yet.
TeddySanFran @ 45
Where’s a ball gag when you need one, y’know?
pow wow @ 54
While I don’t question the need to be vigilant against election-day vote counting shenanegans, we also need to keep in mind the limits of polling. As one who has done plenty of survey work, both in survey design and analysis, I look at polls with a grain of salt.
Even if the exit polls are getting the opinions of actual voters, they are only getting a sample of those voters. Exit pollsters aren’t asking every voter for their opinions. Thus, there is still a “margin of error” based on the sampling effect. Add in different methodologies when it comes to how polling outfits try to reach absentee voters (a growing percentage of voters), and the opportunities for differences between the exit polls and the actual results increases.
Look at it this way. The scientific consensus around surveys usually considers that a poll with a 95% confidence level (i.e., “we’re 95% sure that this poll reflects reality”) is a good poll. That means that one in twenty scientifically “good” surveys will be wrong.
Does that mean that MT and VA are the two exit polls where the numbers didn’t match the final reported results, or were they the two spots when vote tampering took place? I don’t know, and looking at the exit poll numbers won’t help me much in figuring out which is true.
Sometimes, seeing how “vanilla” the Castro has gotten, with complaints taken seriously from hetero- and homo- parents of toddlers regarding some store window displays, I wonder whether “BbtB” even applies anymore….
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
I would love to know this too, since it may make a huge difference in the strategy used in the ‘08 cycle.
pow wow 54
Is there possibly any reason, in the states with marked discrepencies tw’ exit-poll responses and computer tallies, that early &/or absentee votes could account for the differences?
(e.g., legitimate tilt of one type twd a specific voter group, such as VA absentee perhaps being heavily represented by active military)
I don’t know anything about the voting system in those states. I was just wondering….
TeddySanFran @
58
between the exit poll/machine voting results gulf, the robo-calls in those eight really tight house races, and other shenanigans, you have the difference between the considerable win the Dems got last week and what it really was - a friggin’ landslide of historic proportions.
Rove is no genius, no poker player, no Enron model politician. He’s the ultimate political nihilist.
And you all thought it was nonsense when I posted:
das Kaninchen ist mein Feind!
While all along it was genuis. GENUIS, I tell you.
Oh, thank god. The huge, hairy spider has apparently left our mailbox since yesterday. Blergh.
Given that our side had some very convincing and persuasive callers, and that their side relied not on converting the unsettled but driving the unthinking hordes from the pew to the pollstation, I have to wonder whether the GOP 72-hour machine got out some votes for us. Specifically, I would love to see a gender breakdown on this.
does somebody want to speculate who gannon was visiting?
rove, cheney, bush or dumsfeld
two out of three?
Peterr @ 71 - Of course, nothing can be proven based on these numbers alone. As in 2004, all kinds of sophisticated analyses of raw numbers at a precinct level, including all states surveyed, has to be done, to search for solid evidence, taking confidence levels and margins of error into account. But the exit poll takers know that, and they did their best to withhold the precinct-level raw data numbers that members of the public needed to do that sort of analysis (as did the exit poll taker’s clients - which included all the major media networks, including AP, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.).
So do we just shrug and look away, or consider this a red flag worth pursuing as so many private citizens did so well after the 2004 election? [When they were mocked as “sore losers” - something that does not apply this year.] Seems to me we’re asking for it if we ignore red flags in this computer-tabulated, corporate-owned secret counting software environment.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 68
I guess everyone has seen the exit polls at CNN, which don’t show a R to D flip. I read somewhere that voter self-ID had declined to 24% R since the election (from ~32 or so). This may have come into play in the exit polls if Rs had already considered themselves switched to independents.
Latest update on the Rummy case in Germany, with Janis Karpinski in the German court.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a.....06,00.html
Adie @
40
AMEN sister, preach it. He never won Ohio.
Yay Blue Ohio! (Er, and red and gray, go Bucks. ;)
pow wow @ 54
[this is finally not OT and I can’t post it ‘nuf]
http://videothevote.org/thumbdrive.wmv
What is an Orange County elections official doing sticking an external thumbdrive into the Orange County vote counting computer and then taking it out in a manner of a boy caught with his hand in the cookie jar?
[vid by Bad Otis Link]
Question: Given the current make-up of Congress, wouldn’t “lame-dick” be a more appropriate description than “lame-duck”?
I mean, the current nomenclature seems terribly insulting to the water fowl of the world.
OT - hey Teddy - did you see this?:
that would be worse than the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
OT and EPU’d
Just wanted ‘FDL and the Pups’ to know that you’ve got some quality lurkers around here !!!
Susan @ 137
Not among the reasons I love living in Alaska. Our current weather report:
EXPECT WIND SPEEDS OF 30 TO 55 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 80 MPH THROUGH
THE MATANUSKA VALLEY TO DEVELOP BY EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. THESE
WINDY CONDITIONS WILL REMAIN THROUGH THURSDAY.
A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT IS EXPECTED
OR OCCURRING. PEOPLE ARE URGED TO SECURE LOOSE OBJECTS THAT COULD
BE BLOWN AROUND OR DAMAGED BY THE WIND.
Right now - zero degrees F, blowing 40, gusting 65. Even my pup, who loves Winter, wants to hide in his bed.
Adie @ 74:
If early/absentee voters are a significant percentage of overall voters, their results can actually act as a check against fraud on election day, provided they are counted and can be analyzed separately. [So major differences between early/absentee-cast vote counts and election day vote counts are often red flags that warrant exploring, in races in general.]
But I think, even where the election day voters only represent 50% of overall voters in an election (which is probably way low for MT and VA), an exit poll of voters on election day is more than likely to very closely track the early-turnout voters, with perhaps only a percentage or two of variance, if a race was very volatile in the closing days. Statistically-speaking that is. I can’t speak to that theory as an expert though. But between pre-election polls and exit polls (and uncorrupted early-vote counts), I think an expert could get a pretty good idea of what the variance the exit poll is missing might be. I don’t think that it would be that dramatic a difference in most cases, however (and of course similar states with regard to early/absentee voters should have similar spreads in their exit poll/final result differences if that’s a real cause of a swing).
kristinejoy @
70
That went in after Daddy Dickie Cheney put the camera down
;>)
Cliff @ 84 - Damn good question.
pun — York will pay SF off. This latest “naming” noise is the Supes wanting to appear relevant, after being (they thought) trumped by DiFi, imho. Now that the Olympix got flushed with the stadium-mall-parking-lot (and maybe even the team!!) I expect all our city pols to run from Gavin Newsom’s perceived failure on this issue. Including maybe even DiFi, who may have set him up after his marrying-teh-gayz transgression, which she characterized as “too much too soon.”
Does DiFi no likee rising moderates? Even with her six-year cushion on that Senate seat, she is known to want her very own territory to herself, with righties waaaay over there and lefties waaaay over there.
Gotta go make some $ so I can keep putting my $0.02 in here; at my wee hourly rate, I’ll be gone awhile! C U this evening, ‘pups….
hmmmm. Aravosis takes sides:
Tim Tagaris at DKos, So You Wanna Know What Really Happened?
Hey…I think you all will love this!
New movement launched…It’s called The Congressional Committees Project.
Basically, it’s the creation of a citizen media to watch over, report and push oversight on every congressional and senate committee.
Check it out via my page…http://declarationofpride.blogspot.com/2006/11/blog-citizen-congressional-senate.html
I really do think this is an amazing idea that you guys will be all over!
I am choosing to provide oversight to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Who do you want to report on?
Go to this Wiki page to pick http://www.dkosopedia.com/w/in.....es_Project
Wow, Aravosis favors someone inside the Beltway with current power. Color me unsurprised!
I will never forgive John for turning to Jane at YK and asking, “What do you do, exactly?” (paraphrase). To which our Ms. Hamsher replied, “I’m the girl!”
Thereby undercutting Aravosis in all kinds of ways….
TSF - thanks for the SF backfill. I haven’t followed it that closely.
When he first burst onto the scene Gavin Newsom seemed like someone who could go a long way in politics; not so sure lately.
Can we apply the Hatch act to Karl?
darn you, RBG — must log off now!!! —
RBG, Teddy, forgive my naivete — but is Rahm Emmanuel gay?