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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380202</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-380076&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EvilDrPuma @ 157&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379927&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 118 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;theExile -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The real pessimists think they had to lose this one to point to in ‘08 when they intend to steal the White House again and resteal Congress. Following this line of thought, maybe they manipulated the machines to assure loss - long term strategy to set up for ‘08. Would certainly help explain Allen’s surprisingly quick concession.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think they are that smart or that clever… really…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps even more importantly, I don’t think their egos could stand the notion of taking a strategic loss. These guys play a zero-sum game, all the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope you guys are correct. However these guys play by rules that say whoever has all the marbles in the end WINS. Congress is just window-dressing to them anyway, hence signing statements, Military Commisions Act, Martial Law Authorization and all the other blocks of the “Urinary Expletive” being assembled as under the radar as possible. Congress is too quaint of a reminder of “democracy” and that “damned piece of paper” - the Constitution!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-380076"><em>EvilDrPuma @ 157</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-379927"><em>OldCoastie @ 118 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>theExile -
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<blockquote><p>The real pessimists think they had to lose this one to point to in ‘08 when they intend to steal the White House again and resteal Congress. Following this line of thought, maybe they manipulated the machines to assure loss &#8211; long term strategy to set up for ‘08. Would certainly help explain Allen’s surprisingly quick concession.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I don’t think they are that smart or that clever… really…</p>
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<p>Perhaps even more importantly, I don’t think their egos could stand the notion of taking a strategic loss. These guys play a zero-sum game, all the time.</p>
<p>I hope you guys are correct. However these guys play by rules that say whoever has all the marbles in the end WINS. Congress is just window-dressing to them anyway, hence signing statements, Military Commisions Act, Martial Law Authorization and all the other blocks of the “Urinary Expletive” being assembled as under the radar as possible. Congress is too quaint of a reminder of “democracy” and that “damned piece of paper” &#8211; the Constitution!</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379927&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;OldCoastie @ 118 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;theExile -&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The real pessimists think they had to lose this one to point to in ‘08 when they intend to steal the White House again and resteal Congress. Following this line of thought, maybe they manipulated the machines to assure loss - long term strategy to set up for ‘08. Would certainly help explain Allen’s surprisingly quick concession.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think they are that smart or that clever… really…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps even more importantly, I don’t think their egos could stand the notion of taking a strategic loss. These guys play a zero-sum game, all the time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-379927"><em>OldCoastie @ 118 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>theExile -
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<blockquote><p>The real pessimists think they had to lose this one to point to in ‘08 when they intend to steal the White House again and resteal Congress. Following this line of thought, maybe they manipulated the machines to assure loss &#8211; long term strategy to set up for ‘08. Would certainly help explain Allen’s surprisingly quick concession.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I don’t think they are that smart or that clever… really…</p>
<p>Perhaps even more importantly, I don’t think their egos could stand the notion of taking a strategic loss. These guys play a zero-sum game, all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: EvilDrPuma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380073</link>
		<dc:creator>EvilDrPuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379926&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SamTheLurker @ 117 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think there’s a good case to be made that, whatever cheating might have been attempted, the electoral results were a genuine surprise.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it hadn’t been, the Republican media blitz afterwards would have been much less chaotic. They still haven’t settled on a narrative.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is an excellent point. The GOP has been so good at staying “on message” in general that when the machine breaks down, it’s a good sign that something has taken them by surprise. If they anticipated losing the House, it might be that they didn’t anticipate losing it by so much; and I have my doubts that they &lt;em&gt;ever&lt;/em&gt; expected to lose the Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real credit for this one goes exactly where it should: the voters. They marched in and mowed down the GOP cheating machine beneath their New Balance cross-trainers (jackboots being &lt;em&gt;so&lt;/em&gt; 109th Congress).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-379926"><em>SamTheLurker @ 117 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think there’s a good case to be made that, whatever cheating might have been attempted, the electoral results were a genuine surprise.</p>
<p>If it hadn’t been, the Republican media blitz afterwards would have been much less chaotic. They still haven’t settled on a narrative.</p>
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<p>This is an excellent point. The GOP has been so good at staying “on message” in general that when the machine breaks down, it’s a good sign that something has taken them by surprise. If they anticipated losing the House, it might be that they didn’t anticipate losing it by so much; and I have my doubts that they <em>ever</em> expected to lose the Senate.</p>
<p>The real credit for this one goes exactly where it should: the voters. They marched in and mowed down the GOP cheating machine beneath their New Balance cross-trainers (jackboots being <em>so</em> 109th Congress).</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380058</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All that Steffi, Timmeh, Leslie and the other whores care about is John McCain and Joe Lieberman — two clowns who should have been given the hook eons ago. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Neither is of any political relevance whatsoever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s a shame about Russ Feingold, but one can hardly blame him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All that Steffi, Timmeh, Leslie and the other whores care about is John McCain and Joe Lieberman — two clowns who should have been given the hook eons ago. </p>
<p>Neither is of any political relevance whatsoever.</p>
<p>It’s a shame about Russ Feingold, but one can hardly blame him.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380056</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We’ve got the “Mainstream” in our criosshairs begging for mercy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;DON’T GIVE IT TO THEM!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blogistan &lt;b&gt;RULES!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And takes no prisoners.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve got the “Mainstream” in our criosshairs begging for mercy.</p>
<p><b>DON’T GIVE IT TO THEM!</b></p>
<p>Blogistan <b>RULES!</b></p>
<p>And takes no prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: Easter Lemming Liberal News</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380051</link>
		<dc:creator>Easter Lemming Liberal News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On &lt;em&gt;This Week&lt;/em&gt; the new conventional wisdom seemed to be the rise of populism in the Democratic party.  That way they avoid having to prove the new Democrats are more conservative or less liberal.  No, they are populists. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aren’t &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism&quot;&gt;populists&lt;/a&gt; just liberals who don’t swing as far to the left on unpopular issues but are more vocal about income only rising at the top and more vocal against large corporations?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On <em>This Week</em> the new conventional wisdom seemed to be the rise of populism in the Democratic party.  That way they avoid having to prove the new Democrats are more conservative or less liberal.  No, they are populists. </p>
<p>Aren’t <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism">populists</a> just liberals who don’t swing as far to the left on unpopular issues but are more vocal about income only rising at the top and more vocal against large corporations?</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-380000</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-379944&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Franco @ 133 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Well LIEberman is back to being a hawk on Iraq….&lt;br /&gt;
I hope the voters of Connecticut are happy!!!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
He was just disgusting with timmeh and …timmeh let him slide….&lt;br /&gt;
This whole independent democrat crap has got to be shot down……&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But no one wants to bring the soldiers home from Iraq more than Joe…..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-379944"><em>Franco @ 133 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Well LIEberman is back to being a hawk on Iraq….<br />
I hope the voters of Connecticut are happy!!!!!!<br />
He was just disgusting with timmeh and …timmeh let him slide….<br />
This whole independent democrat crap has got to be shot down……</p>
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<p>But no one wants to bring the soldiers home from Iraq more than Joe…..</p>
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		<title>By: cathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;2007 will prove to be an interesting year I think. Bush sr. getting involved and wanting to blame everything on Cheney. Bush jr. wanting Cheney to get the blame for everything but not wanting daddy to get credit for positive changes so jr. will probably try to alter things to show he’s still in charge. And in the process, messing things up. Cheney not wanting to take the blame so he fights both of them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2007 will prove to be an interesting year I think. Bush sr. getting involved and wanting to blame everything on Cheney. Bush jr. wanting Cheney to get the blame for everything but not wanting daddy to get credit for positive changes so jr. will probably try to alter things to show he’s still in charge. And in the process, messing things up. Cheney not wanting to take the blame so he fights both of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-379971</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe Feingold would consider VP..He is young enough to position himself for Prez 10 years from now. Gore-Feingold or Clark-Feingold. I personally think Clark-Feingold would be a strong combo.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Feingold would consider VP..He is young enough to position himself for Prez 10 years from now. Gore-Feingold or Clark-Feingold. I personally think Clark-Feingold would be a strong combo.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Costello</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/12/sunday-talking-head-thread-30/#comment-379968</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Costello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;perris, formerly known as me to me @ 140.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re welcome. I’m just a linker at heart. My friends call me &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Bissell&quot;&gt;Israel Bissel&lt;/a&gt;, the poor man’s Paul Revere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perris, formerly known as me to me @ 140.</p>
<p>You’re welcome. I’m just a linker at heart. My friends call me <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Bissell">Israel Bissel</a>, the poor man’s Paul Revere.</p>
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