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Blogger Article Do: Henry Farrell in the Boston Review.
Blogger Article Don't: Nick Confessore in the NYT (whom Atrios so adroitly dismantles here).
But then again, Henry is a blogger (he blogs at Crooked Timber and has also guest blogged at FDL) looking to do a bit more than pass off lazy, uninformed narratives at the behest of a really venal editor (who also reportedly did more than her fair share to push the anti-Ned Lamont coverage at the NYT, having done the same to Howard Dean).
If us residents of Greater Blogistan are so darn ineffectual, how come so much ink is being spilled trying to take us down?
Just wondering.
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Jane !!
“If us residents of Greater Blogistan are so darn ineffectual, how come so much ink is being spilled trying to take us down?”
Me thinks they do protest too much. But thanks for the free publicity though.
Pelosi backs Murtha for majority leader
By Josephine Hearn
Speaker-in-waiting Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) threw her support behind Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) for majority leader Sunday, giving a significant boost to Murtha in his race against Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.).
EPU’d, but more appropriate for this thread:
I believe our first effort post-election is to get the word out that we support Murtha for House Leader.
This should be almost as important to us as the election was. How can we GOTV for Murtha?
Speaker Pelosi!!!
MAJORITY LEADER Murtha!!!
PRESIDENT PELOSI!!!
[august 2007]
Woo Hoo!!!!!!!
good power play move by Nancy.
You either get it or you don’t. FDL gets it. The clueless crowd is irrelevant.
-ck- @
5
Good start! What else can we do?
Um, what’s wrong with THIS picture?
dharmarific @ 7
WooHoo! Donald ‘Buck Dharma’ Roeser rulez!
Balrog @ 8
Not Much — except President Pelosi is ten times better than preznit Hillary . . .
Consider; discuss . . .
Confessore is trying to plug bloggers into an old, dying paradigm — how well do we play in the corporatists’ sandbox? This will not be the question in two years. It may not even be the question now, but it is the only question the NYT will ask, as it prints more and more papers that fewer and fewer folks read.
Going to read Digby now, who’ll probably say something much better, with better words than I (what’s new?)
To clarify –
Hillary has Bill and Monica and perinoidal cyst wingnut baggage –
Nancy Pelosi has grandchildren, and enough common sense to choke a GOP elephant . .
But after Mr. McNerney won the primary, the committee spent half a million dollars on the general election. He won.
It would be germane to mention when Jerry McNerney finally got support, and how many others got it too late, or never.
Ooh baby, they are feeling it up and down the breadth of the machine, too.
There’s a nasty little p*ssing match going on in my state with certain for-hire organizers that crapped on the locals and may not have done enough to get folks elected to critical state legislature positions. The for-hire person(s) in question are the kind that become cruddy consultants after they get a couple seasons under their belt; they abuse all the locals who already know the lay of the land, bad mouth and cause friction between local groups, then take all the credit for any successes in spite of the fact they only did a fraction of the work required and spent a lot of time harrassing locals who were already working campaigns to work more.
And now the same for-hire person(s) are getting hammered in the blogs, and they are not liking it one bit.
Picking the wrong fights, taking the wrong lessons. Good thing they are not actually running for office themselves.
The boss get’s what she wants. Murtha!
And:
Some days (most days) you just can’t do anything right, George.
This IS rich:
Bush faces GOP ire over Rumsfeld timing
By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer
Sun Nov 12, 3:43 PM ET
WASHINGTON – The White House is trying to soothe Republicans who say the party might have fared better on Election Day if President Bush had not waited until after the vote to oust Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has suggested that if Bush replaced Rumsfeld two weeks before the election, voters would not have been as angry about the unpopular Iraq war. Republicans would have gained the boost they needed, according to Gingrich, to retain their majority in the Senate and hold onto 10 to 15 more House seats.
Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., the outgoing chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, agreed with that assessment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..h_rumsfeld
What the hell happens to good people like Nick Confessore and Ryan Lizza when they starting writing for MSM publications? They lose their edge and starting serving up bullshit conventional wisdom. It’s like they are aspiring to be David Broder or something.
This “tag! You’re on the Red-to-Blue list now” act of Rahm’s is serving him well, especially among the innumerate chatterati, who’d rather write about the HERO RAHM than add up results, or start at Rahm’s original list (as Digby did).
Support from Rahm late in the game will never make up for the sheer stubbornness he exhibited against grassroots candidates, and the sheer will he attempted to impose on districts with his hand-picked outta district $3,000,000 candidates.
Today is Tammy Duckworth’s Two-Year Shootdown Anniversary. I’m glad she’s alive and well, and I’m sorry she got used the way she did. I hope she continues her interest in public service. I hope Christine Cegelis challenges the incumbent again in two years.
“If us residents of Greater Blogistan are so darn ineffectual, how come so much ink is being spilled trying to take us down?”
False assumption.
FOX hasn’t been very effective lately either but it hasn’t really curbed the enthusiasm of its detractors. You just have to expect some abuse on the fringes.
This is an FYI to anyone who is interested–I’m still feeling too septic to be capable of actual persuasive writing, so I’ll just drop the link and be on my way. Anyway, Charlie Grapski, who was involved in the Howard Dean campaign and Democracy for America, and ran for office in Alachua County Florida, is going to trial tomorrow.
You can see a post from Charlie here and see information compiled by The Ad Hoc Committee for the Legal Defense of Charlie Grapski and Alachua here.
Jane,
The Farrell article was wonderful!
To my mind, it encompassed all of the challenges inherent in netroots communications and advocacy. I particularly liked the following:
“As long as their [netroots blogs] ambitions are turned to reforming the electoral apparatus of the party and preventing individual politicians from defecting and supporting the Republicans on core issues, their impact will be real but limited. In order to really change the role of the Democratic Party in American politics, they need to focus not only on winning elections, but on reshaping the ideological battleground that they play out on.”
This is damn inspirational and food for thought.
I mostly come to FDL for ideas. You and Farrell have me thinking.
Thanks.
Jane,
It’s simple really. Bloggers matter. They matter quite a lot; probably more than they are aware of. Bloggers like you, for instance, set up a rallying cry with average citizens that goes beyond the punditry that is usually shoved down our gullets with conventional media. Earlier today, we exchanged ideas and got feed back from Ambassador Joe Wilson on YOUR blog. That kind of access is absolutely not available anywhere else. Talk about feeling involved; that is teh proverbial magic penny and the emotion and empowerment that it brings will comeback tenfold…hundredfold…who knows.
I’ll go out on what I think is a very strong limb and predict that there will be many, many psychological thesis written on the phenomenon of blogging that you are in the very midst of.
It matters, I don’t know how much but I suspect the holders of the Golden Bough are staying up late nights, worrying about how much.
Thank you for that, thank you, thank you, thank you!
“Bush faces GOP ire over Rumsfeld timing”
Don’t they realize that had they held congress, Rumsfeld would still be there?
Okay, I read both articles. One is an in-depth analysis; the other is a fluff piece.
Jane- Glad Farrell quoted you.
I thought that this bit (before the quote) was interesting in light of FDL.
~~~Nor are they a traditional form of mass populism—as currently constituted, they are a not especially representative minority of the American public (there is an over-representation of white, well-educated, middle-class men, as there is among political bloggers more generally).~~~
When I first discovered FDL, it was Jane and Christy doing the blogging. For whatever reason, I found a particular resonance in their writings that appealed to me. No accident, I believe, that that resonance was related to that certain something about a female perspective. I don’t know if any stats are available now, but I remember way back when a survey that indicated that FDL had an “anomalously” high number of female readers/ commenters. Certainly, knowing that there were two femmes in charged encouraged me to comment.
Now, before I get accused of being sexist, let me say that I value the comments of all. But, when I first came to FDL, it was remarkable in having two major female voices as the driving force.
So, my point? To say thanks to Jane and Redd, for being who they are- that pretty much sums it up.
Oh, yeah, the Farrell piece was great!
I agree with VG. I come here more often than anywhere else, and I come here for the sacred feminine voice. This blog has taught me to love watertiger, pam, jeralyn, chi-dyke — and others as well. I don’t read the boy bloggers nearly as much as I once did. It’s a better community here, and it may be that the womanness is the reason.
I’ve been thinking lately that the progressive political blogs ought to devote a lot of their energy and resources to primary elections. I think we can get more bang for our buck in primary contests; primaries usually don’t require huge dollar expenditures the way a general election does, and a primary represents an opportunity for us to sneak up on the party hierarchy and push an insurgent candidate (ala Tester) to victory.
TeddySanFran @ 25
TEddy, and as was observed before in FDL discussions long ago (maybe when Jane published the blog stats) FDL also gets the very best male commenters. That was more than a once-off comment.
Valley Girl @ 23
And now, we have TRex and Pach, two out gay men, who are able to speak about all of politics from a queer perspective. Thanks, guys. You are wonderful.
We are all taking down a machine which has been fueled by hate for decades: a machine that hates government, women, brown and black people, LGBT people, poor people, foreigners, and on and on.
This machine tries to hold political power without governing, it tries to wage war without armies, it tries to control others without any self-discpline.
But machines will not outpower networks. If we keep net neutrality, we keep free speech, organizing, fundraising, and resisting. We win by talking in these new environments of respect and knowledge and celebration.
well the best male commenters stick around. the others we run outta dodge, right?
On TPM today was a list of new hires and the list of the staff. All male.
Hmpf.
Global Yokel @ 26
I couldn’t agree more ; )
TeddySanFran @ 25
Teddy,
Yeah, some of that. But Arianna’s a girl, too. There’s more than just a gender thing; there’s a certain amount of intellect here that is also emotionally charged, and maybe that is a tad estrogenesque in nature but maybe it’s just legitimate passion. The other blogsites are eurdite, concise and informative, occasionally even moreso than FDL, but here there is an aspect of sharing and synergy that other blogs haven’t really engendered–maybe Kos comes close.
I wrote the other night that one of the strengths of the blogosphere is that there is no central reference system to focus the fascist propaganda cannon against; but, in many ways, Jane and Christies ability to marshall emotion and focus it is a burgeoning nucleas of a very serious phenomenon.
Watch out ladies! Who’s got their backs?
Are you calling me gay?
That’s so gay.
The point about collective action resonates with me. I found FDL through the General, then Sadly, No! (or the other way around). What kept me here was the opportunity to fight.
“If
uswe residents of . . .”“…how come so much ink . . .?” Exactly. And all that ink is not being used because you won some structured contest or debate about whether blogs are important. You’re getting attention because you’ve been effective, and your effectiveness and influence are growing.
Screw the criticism; I know you like to respond, but you’re winning for other reasons; just keep going and growing.
And the Farrell article is phenomenal. Well worth the read. I couldn’t get through the last link above, however, so i don’t know who the NYT editor is you’re referring to??? This is Medina’s boss?
TeddySanFran @ 29
Ah, yes. That is absolutely true. Well, there may be a few die-hard “unconscious” sexists who are so oblivious that they don’t get it, ;), but otherwise….
Pachacutec @
33
Who was it that called us the “chicks and fags?”
Don’t remember now
;)
Pachacutec @ 33
Now I am confused. Did I miss something? Do I love a straight man?!!
Valley Girl @ 36
Whooooaaah! You guys are gay !!!!?????
Oklahoma kiddo @
15
Perhaps, but it’s also likely that if Bush had fired Rumsfeld right after Abu Ghraib, but continued on “stay the course,” the Republicans would have done just as badly, because they wouldn’t have Rummy to blame: it would be clear the problem was Bush/Cheney, not just Rummy.
Jane Hamsher @ 37
The site is named after poodles, isn’t it? That seems pretty much consistent with chicks and fags.
Scarecrow — Jodi Wilgoren, who has a new last name now (Rudoren). Rabidly anti-Lamont, pro-Lieberman, purportedly responsible for the most reprehensible of the NYT biasing (although I’m sure Anne Kornblut would resent that and want her due on that front).
The blog linked to above, “wilgorenwatch,” was started because she did the same thing to Howard Dean.
Speaking for myself only, consideration of gender or sexual preference in not a consideration. All I care about is the person’s brain and how well it connects to their mouth or keyboard.
Why are they wondering how bloggers will fit in, and if they will? Probably something to do with how this fits into the campaign business….
johnSwifty @ 39
Hmmm… I don’t see how your comment follows from what you put in block quotes. I’m straight. Jane’s straight. Christy’s straight. (But, there are plenty of beloved femme commenters who are not.) Your point?
The Farrell article was good, but it had one essential error. It said bloggers were controlled by no one. This is clearly false, as YOU ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY ME! Bow! BOW BEFORE ME!!
*ahem*, sorry. Gotta lay off the caffeine after six.
Anyway, I did like the comment about bloggers needing to reframe the political debate. If I actually were King of All Bloggers, I would want to use my vast wonkish powers to promote:
Campaign Finance Reform and public funding of campaigns;
Instant Runoff Voting.
I believe those are two essential elements to preserving and promoting democracy in this century.
My $0.02
I hope everyone takes time to read Henry’s article, it’s wonderful.
And I’ll sneak-announce that Henry will be back in two weeks hosting Book Salon with the new Jacob Hacker book. I’ll formally announce it tomorrow but Henry is a good friend of FDL and we’re always delighted to have someone as bright and thoughtful blogging here, although those same qualities probably limit his career potential at the NYT.
Bummer.
Albatross @ 46
Well you do have a point there. I will now break into my rendition of “Without You I’m Nothing.”
I suggest everybody cover their ears.
Jane, or, a rendition of “I did it my way”?
Jane Hamsher @ 42
Thank you; I didn’t know that history.
Valley Girl @ 45
It was a poorly displayed attempt at facetiousness and I apologize for being so clumsy. Even less important than gender is personal gender preference. What I consider most important is the passion and emotion that seethes from the CRT when I read this site. From the folks on the coast to the gang holding down the southern end of things; I think this community is an example of what America could be everywhere, not just here in virtual reality.
And, you must know, it is what the controlling ultra conservatives fear so very, very much. Now, if you agree with that, I have to ask why? The general response to questions of human fear is simply a fear of the unknown. What is unkown here? What is to fear about a sense of community that encompasses all this. I don’t get it. I truly don’t.
VG @ 44, Mr. Swift has been known to indulge in sarcasm. We are trying to cure him at a Mel Sembler facility, but our lilliputian ropes can’t seem to keep him tied down.
scarecrow @ 40
Of course. It’s just the blame thing. And Newtie posturing for the V.P slot under McCain. Who knows why Specter chimed in? Who cares, Arlen?
Just imagine the damage that conservatives could do if there were no blogs! We are the only media they don’t control.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 52
Quite the contrary; I give! Not the Sembler again please! Not that, anything but that!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 52
LOL! I was confused by the selected quotes.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
Some very cruel mental images there, y’know… eiiiy, my third eye hurts.
Howard Fineman on the “Tell me something I don’t know” part of the Chris Matthews Show said the following….
As many as four, but at least two or three, Republican incumbent Senators won’t seek reelection in 2008.
Nice!
Oklahoma Kiddo — I assume Specter agreed because he blames Bush for loosing his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee. I will be so hard for Arlen not to be able to seem honorable, courageous and independent when he was none of those.
Valley Girl @ 56
And you don’t have to call me Mr. Swift, that was my mother ;-}
johnSwifty- re: your longer comment about fear- if I understood your question correctly, I’d say fear of loss of power and status. They’ve been able to play the shell game for a long time, without anyone flipping the walnut shells off the table.
Hurrah for getting Farrell to come here. Loved his column, Jane. Thanks for the link.
You got me thinking about this issue. Why do they hate bloggers?
Well, it seems to me that it’s obvious when seen from an ebusiness perspective: if you can only win elections by hiring firepower from the tiny oligopoly inside the Beltway, then they can control prices for the expertise they sell that allows people to gain power.
If blogs can aggregate individual democratic rights into vast amounts of political power, then what they are selling is no longer a scarce resource. Its value is lower. It is replaceable.
This is what’s happening with the MSM, with big record companies, with YouTube, and on and on.
They don’t have a business plan to succeed or even survive in the informations common. They have to scare and threaten their customers.
Indy bands are selling direct over the internet, eliminating the record companies. The blogs are beginning to replace the pundits and the consultants.
It’s called disintermediation, and it’s not going away.
Balrog @ 8
Um, what’s wrong with THIS picture?
(ignoring the suggestion of impropriety…)
“So, there I was, grabbin’ hold of one of Rush’s butt cheecks, hangin’ on to this floatation device for dear life.”
“I heart Rahm this much.”
“this is the size of the boot Waxman’s gonna stick up Cheney’s keister.”
Cozumel @ 58
Yes, this isn’t unusual. When people are used to the majority, they don’t like the switch. We should see the same effect in the House, where being in the minority is even worse. We may also see some defections.
David Brooks is projecting what he fears about himself on us! Kos calls the shots amoung the blogs according to Brooks about what the topic of the day is and we follow. Which explains why I try and read 3 or more blogs a day Kos if he is going to be evil must learn better message and topic control. Like Karl Rove has, just go to any channel and all the talking heads are on topic saying the same thing. This is why I watch Keith he at least disagrees with the head! How many times has talking head Brooks written in the NEW YORK TIMES the republican talking points of the day that EVERY OTHER TALKING HEAD WILL TALK ABOUT THAT DAY, WEEK. I wish we had English libel laws! Also why does the Times pay Brooks to write what Karl Rove has already written as a script for all the talking heads? Maybe the banks will stop issuing SELL ORDERS on the New York Times if Pinch would fire the deadweight like Brooks. After all I read the Times to find out something new Brooks I’m sure I will hear his “cough ” Karl’s view wether I want to or not Newspapers, TV its all the same message. Kos wishes (sarcasm) he was half the one message, one topic, ONE TRUTH, ONE RING that David Brooks MASTER IS!
The blogosphere is powerful for lots of reasons. It has created interconnected communities/community of people who get/share all manner of information, and it takes a lot of power of information out of the hands of MSM which cannot control what is selected to be put out there. We are self-selecting and selectively sharing, making new links between information and interpretation.
By the way, anyone been to the Marlborough Gallery site to see Botero’s paintings of Abu? He made at least 100 paintings and drawings based not on any photos but on printed information he read, starting with Sy Hersh.
http://www.marlboroughgallery……ro/05.html
scarecrow @ 59
“…honorable, courageous and independent… he was none of those.”
:)
Rob Zuber @ 64
He named Warner and Stevens among them (4), I didn’t catch the others.
As far as defections I think we have to prove we can goven first, among other things. I don’t see anything near term as far as that goes. Maybe in a year or two, if…
The funny thing is, I had a dream last night where I was. . . you know. . . with a woman. Go figure.
The inside the beltway pols aren’t stupid and I think they will start a serious push-back. The Dean and Lamont association with the lefty blogs is a model of politic that they will have to stop. I think Carville’s attack on Dean was part of a larger agenda.
To me, the counter to any political bullshit by the insiders is better organization, structured and ongoing fund-raising and big bucks in the bank. The mother’s milk, as they say.
Alison @ 62
Yep, and the worst part about it is they are scaring away their core audience, us. We love politics. They should be catering to us (like Olbermann). Instead they insult us every day.
Years ago, I used to record every Sunday show and watch them all (with this old-fashioned device called a “VCR” :) ). Today, I only watch Olbermann.
Pachacutec @
33
[mrgarrison]I’M NOT GAY[/mrgarrison]
GAY!
Valley Girl @ 61
Oh yeah, you’re right there; but those are nasty gnomes of Zurich who always gravitate towards controlling the barter system. I understand avarice…every human probably does to some extent. No, the ones who boggle me are those who NEED their world in a tight little box and make no room for alternative creativity, expression, life! The only constants in the universe are change and the speed of light; and ultra conservatives turn, with the speed of light, against anything that promises change. It seems absolutely counter intuitive to the nature of reality. Again, I just don’t get it.
The other group, the gnomes, the power brokers; well, you’re absolutely right that they want to keep it the way it is for as long as possible. The pea under the shell, the golden bough, they protect it with all their might because they know nothing else. That is a fear of the unknown and I see it now in the Democratic party vis a vis those who didn’t show up for Ned. And, I keep coming back here and pester you fine folk if, for no other reason, than that Pach has promised “more to come” about those internal machinations. That interests me greatly!
NOT GAY
Pach@69…That is strange..weren’t you in clinical psych at one time? What does it mean?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
Sounds like quite a few dead Senators, talking. We just need to carve this on their tombstones, and lay them to rest.
Pachacutec @ 69
Tell us the truth. Was it a dream or a nightmare?
Dumb question #1: Who is K-Lo?
Pachacutec @ 69
Anyone we know?
DigitallyBlogally speaking, that is.
K-Lo is Katherine Jean Lopez, the loopiest of the right wing retards. She is still in Jr. Hi
JS “It seems absolutely counter intuitive to the nature of reality. Again, I just don’t get it.”
But they are not living in reality, or not our reality. And, they are not “enquiring minds”. Not thoughtful or introspective. They like things the way they are in their world, and try to hold on to the power, means, and money as long as possible to keep it that way. I think, however, that Bush has recently gotten a dose of “deal with reality, or it will deal with you”. I hope that this message will be spreading with some acceleration, via the toobz.
Please pass me a bucket.
I am listening to Michael Steele on C-Span and I am about to puke.
-GSD
I think it means my partner and I will be getting puppies in the next few months. No, she was not recognizable, but it was like. . . warm apple pie.
K-Lo is Karthryn Jean Lopez
Pachacutec @ 84
Too many movies, Pach. There is no comparison (either way).
Gnome de Plume @
81
Get ready for Michele Bachmann. I can never, NEVER apologize enough for the state of Minnesota. I am so sorry. It was bad enough when it was just Tom Friedman…
By they way, can you guys give M. Bachmann a homegirl name so I can marginalize her in my mind? Please?
Sorry to get here late, but could someone clue me in as to why everyone should hate the Confessore article? I just read it and Atrios’ response. It may have shaved points off the blogger success rate in the election, but aside from that, it seemed realistic and pretty friendly to the movement. Farrell’s article was, of course, far superior and an excellent intellectual introduction into blogging’s cultural significance.
One point both articles do not make strongly enough: the netroots blog movement was founded in part as a reaction to the dishonesty and the ethical and intellectual sloppiness of the MSM. Consequently, it has a ruthlessly effective fact-checking system and a hard-edged sense of integrity. It exposes lies and ignorance among the political players far better than any of the media competitors mentioned in the two articles. One reason I always check MSM news stories against the blogs is to gain insight as to who is telling the truth and who is dodging it.
Quite ironically, the netroots are the most attractively old-fashioned news source in
today’s media environment, if you favor the traditional concepts of truth, literacy, and personal honor.
scarecrow @ 86
I was being elliptical. I’ve actually done the deed, back before my mummification.
Valley Girl @ 82
Here’s to that! Spreading at the speed of light! Thanks.
scarecrow @ 86
Were those studies published….?
Thanks for the info. What’s her major?
Gnome de Plume @ 80
Is K-Lo actually loopier than the shrieking harpy? And where does Jeff Goldstein fit in? These are the kinds of questions Sadly, No! tries to answer.
And even if they don’t get answered, it’s a hoot.
Pachacutec @ 89
It wouldn’t, by any chance, have been at band camp?
ccmask @ 79
K-Lo @50secs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oJazOmDHq4 Big Little Ricky Fan.
kirk murphy @ 91
Intuitive; not empirical. Scrarecrows do not have sex; that’s why you never see scarecrow babies. Now you know.
And, to hark back to an earlier moment, she was quite outraged by this alternative VG book cover of “Women Who Make the World Worse”:
http://firedoglake.blogspot.co…..mazon.html
Sorry, I can’t find the K-Lo article, but she was actually stupid enough to put up the alternative cover at her article! If I can find the link, I will post….
…because the netroots conceive of themselves as a non-ideological movement, they aren’t delivering on their potential to help provide and refine these big ideas themselves and thus reshape the ideological underpinnings of the political consensus. If the netroots truly want to tilt the playing ground of American politics back again so that it favors the Democrats, they will need to embrace a more vigorous and coherent ideological program.
Farrell makes an excellent point. I like Kos, but he seems pretty conservative to me (hell, he used to be a Republican).
One of the main reasons I became a regular here is that I think FDL has gone a lot further toward Farrell’s “coherent ideological goal” than most other blogs.
scarecrow @ 96
Thanks!
Might you also have heard where the dust bunnies’ parents went? (Time for them to pick up the kids….)
omigod!!!!!!! I found the link!!!!!!!!!!
VG is still famous!!!!! (in a subtle way) K-Lo’s article about “Women who make the world worse” still has my alternative cover posted. Hehe… oh, please, check it out!
http://www.nationalreview.com/…..200815.asp
Michelle Bachmann = Katherine Harris’s northern exposure….
Was that K-lo screaming “No,noooo” when Dick Sphinctorum announced he had conceded to Bob Casey Jr?
-GSD
Pachacutec @
89
Titanic, anyone?
Berken @ 88…I agree on the craveness of the mainstream reporting and punditry being part of the story of the rise of the blogs.
Maybe it was a bit tricky to work that part into articles being published by same mainstream media? (Which means they will never get it, by the way.)
Jane Hamsher @ 103
You’re leaping to conclusions. He was very careful not to say which deed, and we did not ask.
707, Jane.
GSD @ 102
It is now: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-378529
Lou Costello @ 107
Great minds and all that!
-GSD
Jane!!!! It sure was a blast from the past to find that “Women who make the world worse” cover at J-Lo’s article. Wow. Seems like SUCH a long time ago!
Jane, earlier you mentioned the possibility of a YearlyKos panel discussion regarding the significance of Lamont’s campaign and the long-term repercussions thereof. I think you dropped the names Tagaris and Sirota. Why not INVITE NED LAMONT TOO! I think he belongs at YearlyKos. So many people want to thank him, and offer support for whatever political endeavors he decides to pursue in the future. It is a no-brainer.
And, as long as we are mentioning names for the panel discussion, how about CT Bob, Spazeboy, Matt Stoller, you, Christy and TRex!
The final piece of the puzzle would be to schedule the panel right around the time of Harry Reid’s speech, if he decides to show up this year.
I’m already looking forward to this possibility!
Mr. de Plume is finally getting it that blogs have better accuracy in reporting than MSM. Whenever he relays some news to me now he follows it with, “but you already knew that.”
So many enemies, so few troops.
The world according to Drudge.
PAPER: CHINA SUB STALKS USS KITTY HAWK
-GSD
Gnome de Plume @ 111
EPU!
MayDaze @ 98
I don’t see it that way at all. I’ve been hanging around FDL for about a year now. Conservative? Liberal? Those are just MSM labels. Left, right, who cares? That’s MSM speak. It’s about ideas and who’s got them for the majority of the people, IMO
kirk murphy @ 113
I thought EPU was what happened when you were left in the rec room in the basement and the party was going on in the kitchen upstairs.
So I went to see if there was action upstairs, and there’s not.
Now I wonder if I never understood EPU.
Oops. I was wrong. TRex is in the building, and he looks angry.
I don’t want to be trapped in the basement in case of fire.
Going upstairs.
Cozumel @ 114
It also might be that being able to call a mindless fuckhead a mindless fuckhead is a distinct advantage for the blogger over the MSM, which feels certain, umm, constraints in doing so. After all, think of the time MSM reporters waste trying to come up with language which will pass the editor, let alone all the brainpower they waste trying to fit a story into the mainstream worldview. :)
Point in favor of the above argument. :)
Alison @ 115
EPU is also omniscient, but you already knew that… :)
montag @ 117
It also might be that being able to call a mindless fuckhead a mindless fuckhead is a distinct advantage for the blogger over the MSM, which feels certain, umm, constraints in doing so.
That too ; ) LOL
Thanks Valleygirl. Oh, that K-LO!!
Valley Girl@ 100 that was your alternative cover! I laughed my ___off, So what do you got planned next?
Balrog @
8
bad boy, balrog! go to your room. now!
Hello. writing from my mom’s basement and thought I’d get online for a bit, awaiting orders from Marcos, before digging into my my anarchist’s cookbook.
Seriously, that’s how they think of us. In reality I’m in my 40s and have grown kids. a husband and a dog and 2 cats. Real scary right?
I do think the press does it because they are afraid of the continuing loss of viewers and readers to the blogs.
The right does it because thier blogs are not as powerful or committed. Their audience would rather watch Fox.
They also see us as being solely responsible for unleashing the evil Howard Dean on the unsuspecting right. ooooooo.
And for helping with the elections of 2006.
Honestly, if it wasn’t for the networks of the netroots to rally people to vote and help and push for success, we may still be under Naz, er, republican rule.
Jodi the Hutt is now an editor?
Old media has been trying to take down new media for ten years. The blogs are only the latest new media target. With newspaper and magazine circulation numbers in decline, desperation will fuel greater viciousness. You can feel the desperation in every Joe Klein article in Time Magazine (does this fucker *ever* use the word “blogger” without first saying “angry” ?). Bloggers are a threat to the establishment/traditional media and that milieu will try everything it can to tear bloggers down until it realizes it cannot, and then it will entice bloggers into the fold. And then the bloggers will become the old media.
Confessore slats around in his Coriolanus drag.
Blogs are a form of populism and the MSM can’t figure our how to herd cats and get the public to goose step for them.
Although there may be a few bloghers, there are many many readers and everyone gets to do a shout out.. unlike the boob tube or the selected letters to the editor. it’s democracy that the power elite can’t abide.
MSM is so 20th century… facing death is never an easy thing.
Amen. Brings to mind Gandhi’s famous quote…
Critics claim that the result is a vulgarization of political debate. In a certain sense, they’re exactly right. Blogs help open up argument to the profanum vulgus, the unhallowed crowd that Horace and his peers in imperial Rome disliked so much.
Right on, Baby! Here come the unwashed hordes . . .
Valley Girl @
27
That’s because secure men enjoy powerful female voices. Viva la difference!