
(Soldiers guarding the Sufaya Oil Fields in Iraq.)
National Guard combat brigades are facing a second deployment in Iraq, breaking the 24-month deployment window that had previously been promised. You read that correctly — brigades, not just individual units — because the strain on our troop strength is so much at the moment.
Spencer Ackerman shares some thoughts on the mess that is Iraq, and they are worth a read and some thought this morning:
Rumsfeld was incontrovertibly, and by a wide margin, the worst. No defense secretary in history ever consciously sought to antagonize the Army on matters great, small and otherwise. No defense secretary in history devoted more resources to rebutting editorials about his mismanagement than looking into what might have caused those criticisms to arise. And no defense secretary in history has ever managed to preside over two deteriorating wars, let alone simultaneously.
But there's an additional upside to the end of the Rumsfeld era: No more will Iraq hawks be able to wash away their sins in the blood of the defense secretary….
A better question, of course, concerns why the Washington aviary of hawks–some sincere in their hopes for an ideational Iraqi democracy, others unconcerned–believed that it was in America's power, let alone interest, to topple a contained dictator; introduce chaos into the heart of the Middle East; rearrange the sectarian balance of power in Iraq; occupy a frontline Arab state for an indefinite amount of time; and usher in not merely a "democracy" but what Bush called in his press conference Wednesday an "ally in the war on terrorism."
While the Iraq war has become a disaster, the obvious failures in its implementation–the inability to deliver basic services like electricity and gas, to say nothing of security or political progress–have overshadowed the more basic failure in its strategy. The 10 or so daily crises that Iraq generates have largely allowed hawks to avoid confronting unpleasant truths, such as the degree to which the war plays into Osama bin Laden's conscious, broader strategy of drawing the United States into counterproductive overreactions.
Yes, let's do ask those questions. Frequently. And let's further explore this:
Panetta would not discuss the options the group is considering, noting that members have not reached a consensus yet, but talked about what he has learned about Iraq. The group spent three days in Baghdad in early September and has been briefed by military, intelligence and diplomatic officials.Private assessments by government officials are much more grim than what is said in public, Panetta said, "and we left some of those sessions shaking our heads over how bad it is in Iraq."
U.S. forces can't control sectarian violence and powerful militias. One of the most disturbing findings, Panetta said, is that many Shiite religious leaders who are a big part of the government have no interest in deals or compromises with Sunnis and other groups, and are "playing for time because they say it's their show."
After years of Bush administration rhetoric about establishing democracy in Iraq, Panetta said the only achievable goal is a rough stability, "which can't be done by the military. It requires political reconciliation."
One scaled-down goal, he added, is "how do you maintain a low-level civil war so it doesn't blow up into a full-scale civil war?"
Just begs the question as to how many lies we've been spoon-fed the last few years, doesn't it? And while we're at it, let's discuss the use and misuse of foreign policy and diplomacy, and the idiocy of injecting our troops in the middle of things without proper planning, thought, and long-term, worst-case-scenario, whether-we-should-or-shouldn't, thought process:
Whatever else it was, the U.S. invasion of Iraq was an attempt to break a dysfunctional Middle Eastern status quo. It blew away a Stalinist dictatorship garbed in fin-de-régime Islamist velleities, removed a monstrous ruler and sent tremors through authoritarian regimes from Damascus to Cairo.
That was a big undertaking to embark on without notes. A lot has been made of Rumsfeld's grave tactical blunders. But they pale beside the strategic failure to grapple with the implications of the social revolution an invasion would ignite: the replacement of a heavily armed ruling Sunni minority convinced of its right to govern by a seething, oppressed Shiite majority.
Freedom! It sounds wonderful. But, when dictatorships end in countries of fragile multi-ethnic and multi-religious composition, freedom is seldom understood as an invitation to liberal democracy. It's understood by each constituent group as an opportunity to be free of others, to go it alone at last.
Democracy cannot be implemented by the barrel of a gun, held by someone from the outside. It does not work — never has. That we did not think that through is appalling enough, that we are stuck in this mess at the moment is even worse. The best way out? We are long past due for that conversation, on all sides of the aisle, so if anyone has a solution with little to no bloodshed involved, there's a Nobel Peace Prize in it for you, among other things, I'd wager.
The biggest gift of thanks that we could give to our soldiers currently serving this nation in uniform, and those vets who served us in generations past and present, is to provide oversight and get to the truth of what is truly going on in Iraq and Afghanistan and with veteran's benefits cuts and everything else under the sun that has been hidden away under rocks the last six years. Let the sun shine in…
And our troops? While they await some change in orders from somewhere, they are still missing basic stuff like adequate toilet paper and chapstick and all the other things we all take for granted. You can help through the AnySoldier program. Our local Democratic Women's group has sent out packages to troops all over Iraq and Afghanistan, and I can tell you that the thank you notes we received back were heartfelt and grateful and worth the postage and then some.



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Fitz!
Bring them home!
Yes! Bring them home!
And AnySoldier! So now I know where everyone is. Great site, that’s where I learned what it’s *really* like for our kids out there.
Wonderful post, Christy. Guys, hang on, we’re bringing you home as fast as we can.
Rahm’s Losers
(John Walsh, CounterPunch)
Looking at all 22 candidates hand-picked by Rahm, we find that 13 were defeated, and only 8 won! (3) (One is still undecided.) And remember that this was the year of the Democratic tsunami and that Rahm’s favorites were handsomely financed by the DCCC. Tammy Duckworth, for example, was infused with $3 million and was backed in the primary by HRC, Barack Obama, John Kerry, etc. The Dems have picked up 28 seats so far, maybe more. So out of that 28, Rahm’s choices accounted for 8! Since the Dems only needed 15 seats to win the House, Rahm’s efforts were completely unnecessary. Had the campaign rested on Rahm’s choices, there would have been only 8 or 9 new seats, and the Dems would have lost. In fact, Rahm’s efforts were probably counterproductive for the Dems since the great majority of voters were antiwar and they were voting primarily on the issue of the war (60% according to CNN). But Rahm’s candidates were not antiwar.
http://tinyurl.com/yl5pn5
HotFlash at 4 — it is a wonderful site. And so nice to know that you can send a little piece of home to someone who desperately needs a little cheer, isn’t it? I know from friends who had just graduated from West Point and commanded their first units during the first Gulf War that a lot of the grunts in these units barely hear from family. Even just a letter can mean a lot to them.
Recruiting Abuses – As I was standing at a polling place in CT on Tuesday I was talking to a guy whose son is in the Army and had reenlisted in Iraq. His son said that his boss told him that he had a choice. He could either reenlist and go home at the end of his 1 year in IRAQ or be extended for another year there. Well his son took the reenlisted in April and came home but is now scheduled to go back to Iraq at the end of the year. He’s 27 and this will be his third go over there. He’s made arrangements because he doesn’t feel he’s coming back this time. It was so agonizing for the dad as he was telling me this. I felt so bad for him. What a way to ‘honor’ our troops.
I mentioned this in the last thread, but for those willing to help out a real hero, my good friend Kelly Parrson has already declared he is going to run again in 2008. A few bucks his way would be a great way to thank him for blowing the whistle on Abu Graib and providing the cameras that brought us the horrible pictures from that place & allowed the eyes of the world to be opened. He’s that guy.
Thanks to those of you who already gave today, he’ll be thrilled to see he’s got supporters this soon after the election. It’s the best Veterans’ Day gift I can think of.
From “Pollster.com” a study that shows that “yes- there is a difference between dems and goopers:”
To answer this question I first assigned a liberal-to-conservative voting score to each senator based on an analysis of the 530 non-unanimous roll call votes cast in the 109th Senate. The resulting scores are scaled to have mean zero and standard deviation 1, with lower (negative) scores reflecting a more liberal voting history, and positive scores reflecting a more conservative voting history (the details of this scoring procedure appear in my 2004 article with Josh Clinton and Doug Rivers in the American Political Science Review. A familiar story results, with Democrats on the left, Republicans on the right, with virtually zero no overlap between the parties. Lincoln Chafee is estimated to be the most liberal Republican with a voting score of about zero, while Ben Nelson (NE) is the most conservative Democrat (again, with a voting score close to zero). The usual suspects anchor the extremes of both parties: Barbara Boxer (CA) and Ted Kennedy (MA) for the Democrats (scores of -1.9), and Inhofe (OK) and Demint (SC) for the Republicans (scores of 1.3).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Contrast that (AnySoldier) with Move America Forward’s efforts – overpriced “cookies and coffee” with blatant rah-rah cheerleading. Yet another difference between “Support Our Troops!” and actually supporting our troops.
-GFO
If the neo-cons have their way…the last ribbon you’ll ever need:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..s-war.html
LisaDawn at 7 — That is painful. I was speaking to a cousin of mine who is currently in the Army at the recent funeral of my Great Uncle, and he’s certain that he’s going to get sent back for yet another tour any time now. It’s tough, very tough, to be so worried about people you love.
Molly Ivins article? Where? Google is my friend.
OT: More on the strategy the MSM and its Republican overlords want the Democrats to follow: “Republican Lite, all the way, baby!”
Seems to me that the Democrats took both houses of Congress without the “10 states of the ‘true’ South,” thereby dissing the old Southern Strategy quite effectively. It might just be that pandering to the conservative lock on the “true” South is getting a little politically passe. But hey, don’t listen to me, listen to the Associated Press. You know they’re on our side, right?
Lindy @
13
bookmark Molly
http://www.workingforchange.co…..?AuthrId=8
Thrasyboulos #5
Thanks for the info. I was wondering how many of Rahm’s candidates actually did win. Interesting that with 28 seats won so far, that Rahm is getting all the credit and they are not only refusing to give Dean the credit, Carville is working to dump him.
Personally, I say Dean is the MAN who took the risks, 50-state strategy that was ridiculed by some, and we see the fruits of his attempt in the first election after he sets the goals.
Yes, I realize that voter dissatisfaction, the war in Iraq, rubber-stamps, and corruption all played a part, but Dean, imho is due more recognition and Rahm should fade into the sunset. He is NOT to be trusted.
Mmmm…finally got time to make some breakfast. Fresh herb omelet with goat cheese. Tasty!
– DEAR LADY. THE POSTING OF ANYSOLDIERprogram is even MORE above the line of what you do. Thanks, and BLESS you, for posting that. I FOUND OUT MANY OF THESE MEN CANT GET A BATH, LET ALONE THE BASICS AND IT JUST BOILS ME. MY GOD, BABY WIPES FOR THEM WOULD BE A GOD SEND, DONT WE KNOW ? // JESUS WEEPS WE CAN NOT GET THEM HOME. No hesitation in jamming them in there. THEY WILL BE PAWNS, SUBJECTS TO SLAUGHTER IF WE CANT GET OFF OUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND STOP THIS ILLEGAL IMMORAL OCCUPATION. OUR NATIONAL BLOODY HANDS ARE IN A BUCKET OF WATER. IF WE YANK THEM OUT – WE WILL NOT BE MISSED. // I knew the ‘Nam Occupation, and it too was birthed by a dammned lie. THIS QUOTE, FROM BERTOLD BRECHT, “DON’T REJOICE YET, IN HIS DEFEAT, YOU MEN. THE BITCH WHO BORE HIM, IS IN HEAT, AGAIN.” close quote //LET US BRING THEM HOME. LET US CARE FOR THEM, TOO MANY IN THEIR MANGLED MANHOOD, THEIR CONFUSIONS, FEARS, NIGHTMARES UNENDING. LET US GET OFF THIS INGLORIOUS FIELD. IN GOD AND COUNTRY’S NAME.
pretty much anything with goat cheese, yes.
Operation Homefront is another great organization that provides assistance to the families left behind when soldiers deploy, as well as to wounded soldiers:
http://www.operationhomefront.net/
I had the opportunity to hear a briefing back in October by a representative at Operation Homefront, and I was very impressed by the can-do attitude. I wrote a post about it at my blog, if you’re interested:
http://bonald3.blogspot.com/20…..ibbon.html
This is one veteran who salutes the new Democratic majority. Yoo-hoo!
Nicholson speaking now about the terraists “that want to destroy our way of life” and lauding, lauding, lauding dubya.
He calls him a true patriot.
disgraceful.
Neither one of these “men” have any grace… cutting back our Veterans’ benefits and not equipping them with what they need and sending them off with their lies.
A terrible, terrible administration.
Thanks to our Vets. I hope for all to come home now.
Meanwhile, in a non-reality-based world:
“Freakley.” It’s like his birth was prophesied.
It is such a criminal thing that those who wrap themselves in the “support our troops” mantle were the ones most behind this Godawful war.
Yep, way to support the premature deaths and the maiming of tens of thousands.
-GSD
Tony Snow on Dem suggestions to White House: ‘This is not a time for floating ideas’…
Apple Canyon 2 @
16
you are SOOOO right.
i’ve already sent carville an email telling him what an idiot he is.
we need to target rahm in 2008 for a good arse kicking. he is a snake. hard to find the arse on a snake hmmmm… stomp him …
stand behind Howard Dean. He is a MENSCH!
rwcole @ 25
Okay, then, let’s not float ideas. Let’s whap them over the head with ideas.
Before the election, wasn’t it the meme that the Democrats didn’t have any ideas?
GSD @ 24
yup.
rwcole @ 25
as though he would know ……
Nancy to Tony—
“Yer SO pre election- WE’LL tell YOU what it’s time for ya arrogant twit!”
EvilDrPuma @ 14
I was just looking at the results in NC-5
Foxx (R) – 57%
Sharpe (D) – 42%
Considering Foxx was the incumbent, outspent Sharpe probably over 10 to 1 (Sharpe had just over $100,000 to spend) that’s not too bad. So where was the national party support? AWOL.
Is Virginia the “true south”? Jest wondering.
Nobody thinking about W’s comment yesterday that in the future, people will be remembering what a great battle Fallujah was? Cripes. Yep, it was memorable all right.
Just not in That Way.
bg @ 33
Bush has come up with soooooo many howlers by now that it’s impossible to keep up.
The confederacy still lives in South Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia, and Alabama– there’s yer “true south”- sheets an all.
bg @ 33
It was outrageous, just like everything that comes out of his maw!
The quote:
Remember them one & all no matter the uniform they wore or what they fought for.
Keep them in your thoughts.
Semper Fi
“The bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices.” – James Carter
How much history da ya think Clusterfuck has ever read. When he speculates on the verdict of history- he comes to the subject with virgin eyes.
‘Nother word on Rahmbo:
According to recent Newsweek (Bush at record low 31% yay!) most voters believe the Reps lost the election more than the Dems won it. I agree. It is also my humble opinion that Dems were in a better position to take thanks to Doctor Governor Dean. Have another idea I’ve been mulling over which is that tinkering with the votes has been going on for years and the vaunted nearly even split of blue and red is really not so, just been jiggered to look so, so when they move in to steal it, not questioned as much. (See Florida 13 recount)
And I think voters, as Dean has said repeatedly, eventually get it right. For that reason, that voters are smarter than the Reeps and the DLC give them credit for – I doubt they’ll go for a single party sweep anytime soon for all three branches and instead will be looking for a palatable Republican rather than a Hillary.
Someone needs to ask Clusterfuck to give a detailed account of the battle at Iwo Jima. Oughta be good for a laugh!
angie @ 36
What they’ll say, specifically, is this:
rwcole @ 25
maybe i’ll be proven wrong but it seems to me that fuckwad and his minions are really in a bind. what can they do? what can they say? who will listen to them?
it may be that speaker pelosi has set this thing up right: just keep a steady, even keel and don’t buy any snake oil from fuckwad.
his arse is in a crack.
daCascadian @ 37
I honor them all, I just do NOT honor some of their commanders in chief and other “leaders”.
They deserve more.
rwcole @ 32
it used to be. then washington grew …..
fahrender @ 42
What we’re seeing right now is a desperate and more than slightly uncoordinated effort to pretend to some kind of continuing relevance.
By the way…isn’t everybody’s arse in a crack? That’s what I remember from anatomy, anyway.
fahr- Yep- they’re fucked. They know that they are limpin and quackin and they’re hopin no one will notice- as an antidote- they say outrageous things daily to keep President Clusterfuck on teevee. They figure as long as his ugly mug’s on the screen for ANYTHING- they ain’t dead yet- but there’s no pulse.
rwcole @ 25
Shorter Ponyblow:
“Go fuck yourselves.”
The highest honor for a fallen hero
Corp. Jason Dunham receives Medal of Honor posthumously
“At one point he yelled to his fellow Marines ‘No, no, no, watch his hand!’ Moments later an enemy grenade rolled out,” Bush said.
“Without a second’s hesitation he knew what he needed to do because he saw that grenade was live,” says Maj. Trent Gibson. “And he took his helmet off and covered the grenade with it in order to protect his Marines.”
350 miles from Marine headquarters is Scio, N.Y., a one-stoplight town. Jason Dunham was raised here — they know him — and no one was suprised by what he did.
“It’s just the way he was,” a friend recalls. “He was always doing for other people.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15658220/
How much longer are “we” going to let our children die in the desert? Front runner for the Democratic nomination for the presidency in ‘08.. are you listening? Do you care?
bg @ 33
I heard that. But I don’t remember Fallujah the way Junya does:
http://www.canofun.com/cof/for…..27#M102527
angie @ 43
a hell of a lot more ……..
Fallujah
That was the stupid battle that the military said should never have occured but that Clusterfuck wanted it for political purposes- It was the battle in which the US was publicly caught for war crimes for using white phosphorus.
Yep- it’ll be in history all right!
EvilDrPuma @ 45
not the cheeks, just the sphincter …
fahrender @
29
Turds know all about floating, don’t they Tony?
rwcole @ 46
this may be the longest wake in history. and the least attended ………
Lindy @
13
HERE
Fallujah
Where Clusterfuck insisted on destroyin a city cause they hung US Mercenaries from a bridge- isn’t that the one?
rwcole @ 40
Coming to a Theatre Near You …
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809233012/info
(”Flags of Our Fathers”)
Chimpy might even watch this one, although “Sands of Iwo Jima” is probably more his speed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Bush cried after that end to his speech yesterday and wiped his tears away.
I was really crying, I don’t know about him. I somehow doubt it.
There’s so much death and destruction in that desert and in other places “over there”– and he says it is progress.
1,331 DAYZ ON THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Patriots:
Let’s devote a few FDL moments to thinkin’ about and explorin’ the meanin’ of “Veteran’s Day” Day…thanx for bringin’ it up Christy.
My paternal grandfather, Ole, was a first generation American (Norwegian, who’d a thunk it?!!)who was a radical organizer in the lumber Camps in Northeastern Minnesota at the turn a the 20th Century. He was part of the great American Expeditionary Force in WWI and received a Purple heart. Ole’s 2nd son, my father, was a wounded, disabled and much decorated veteran of WWII. Both these men were socialist free-thinkers who opposed the American involvement in Viet Nam and begged me not to go…both these men understood that the modern age was characterized by the struggle against fascism (left and right-wing). They understood that the Enlightenment thinkers and doers who synthesized the American Experiment in the Constitution, were right in most things but most certainly in the conviction that standing armies were anathema to democracy.
This veteran now understands the terrible truth that those vets before me learned…the truth that there is no moral justification for war and that when war is forced out of existential imperative, the single justification for the soldier becomes to fight to see that no other generation’s children are forced to compromise their moral standing before God by fighting.
That is what I would like us to take a moment here to consider…that we have allowed another generation to be compromised on the battlefield for the interests of the few and the powerful. We have allowed another generation to be abused and degraded. We have allowed the monied interests to morally sterilize another generation while defiling the Constitution that was designed to protect our children from just this despoiling.
Let us raise our glasses then, to “the Veterans”s, to the “giants in the earth” to whom we owe the rest of our miserable lives…let us all promise them that we will fight with our last once of strength to get our children home, to bind their wounds and to protect them from further exploitation. Let us further pledge to “the Veterans” that we honor today, that we will fight the forces of wealth and power to our last breath. We owe it to “the Veterans” and to ourselves…there is no other purpose to our insignificant presence on this planet than to devote our lives to ending the terrible monstrosity of war.
There is not a day that goez by that I don’t at some moment feel the presence of Ole, my father and the brothers and sisters left behind in Viet Nam…we have a history to which we are responsible and a destiny that ends in accountability for all of us.
KEEP THE FAITH WITH OUR CHILDREN, END THIS MADNESS!!
rwcole @ 51
a better comparison might be stalingrad …….
fahrender @
26
Personally I’d love to see Christine Cegelis go up against Rahm. THERE’S a candidate we can get behind . . . oh yeah, we already did and Rahmbo took her out in favor of Tammy who didn’t live in the district . . . . works for me.
bbuster @
39
A think a lot of people regard Hillary as a palatable Republican…triangulation, ptooie!
Cliff Varnell @ 61
The problem for her is that the Republicans regard her as neither.
Just read an interesting piece (forgot where unfortunately- but I think it was MSNBC) in which Mathew Dowd is credited with devising the Rove- play to the base strategy that has left us with scorched earth as far as the eye can see.
Apparently Dowd- after the 2000 election- said that there was not a strong enough middle to support a moderate presidency- so Rove took Clusterfuck hard right- and we now can smell the result.
Down then moved to California where he saved Arnie’s ass by movin it to the center.
As to Heath Shuler’s desire to pull the Democrats to the far right in order to win the south?
The GSD electoral calculator is doing some figurin’ and much of the South aint needed in my math anymore.
The West is turning a lighter shade of purple and the Old Confederacy is getting peeled off and marginalized.
The Reverse Southern Strategy is my new proposal.
Oh, we’ll keep Arkansas as our own little insurgent state and Florida can be in it’s own orbit as it is really an alamagam state chock full of Northern retirees and Latinos too.
So, keep Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina and Georgia–maybe Tennessee.
We’ll just keep chiseling away at Virginia(which has elected a Democrat to the Senate and Democrats to the governors office twice in a row), W. Virginia(Just put in Bobby Byrd in a landslide and has a popular Democratic Governor in Joe Manchin),New Mexico, Arizona, Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Kansas, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri and Nevada.
Utah, you’re on your own.
-GSD
Norske@59
Thanks for the wonderful thoughts on this November 11 which I read at the 11th minute 11th hour of the 11th day. Peace.
If a Republican wins the presidency in 2008 and we keep both the Senate and the House (likely) he’d/she’d be a lame duck from day one! ; )
Sweet!
rwcole @ 25
Tony Snow needs to STFU! I’d say the dems are negotiating from a position of power. They have a lot of shit on Georgieboy…and are now empowered to get more.
GSD
I don’t know- I kinda like the 50 state strategy.
Thank you, Norske.
You are right.
Skaal Norske, great comment.
AP – The nation’s citizen soldiers, already strained by long tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, could be tapped again under new plans being developed by the Pentagon.
rwcole @ 64
Funny we never hear mentioned the name of Arnold Kennedy-Schwarzenegger in the ‘conservatives won the election’ memes spouted by the idiotratti. Old Arnold spun the wheel so hard left that his staff got bruises on the right side of their faces.
Also lookat all of the centrist Dems in red, red, red, states and centrist Republicans in blue, blue, blue states.
(R)Jodi Rell in Conn. would be considered a commie by most right wingers thinking.
-GSD
Thank you for the link to Any Soldier. I’m headed out in a bit to get enough stuff for 10 care packages. And then try to sit down and write 10 letters of thanks without my tears making the ink run on the paper.
My sincere wish is that all of the troops would be home for Christmas,but I know that won’t happen. In lieu of that,I hope Speaker Pelosi and our new Dem majority puts together a package of bills to give the VA more money,breathe life into a good old fashioned GI Bill,and does something to stop the privatization of the military. Our homeless vets are growing in number,this is shameful and needs to be addressed ASAP. War contractors and profiteers have to GO,they are a huge part of why our troops are getting killed. It has to stop.
RevDeb @
61
i have no idea how vulnerable he might be in his district. i mean, if jean schmidt can get re-elected now, there is really a problem in parts of this country.
whatever the facts are, rahm needs to feel the heat. if christine is up for it, somebody with an ear to the ground in that area ought to start working on it. we need to target people like rahm. we need to keep making them feel that this really is a new era. they need to know we’re watching them and we’re going to go after them. we have to distract them. get them off their game. make them nervous. it’s time for the next battle to begin …..
fahrender @26
RevDeb @60
You both are right on that one. Christine Cegalis was pushed aside by Rahm, then he pumps 3 million into her campaign to save his decision which failed and the 3 mil could have been…
Oh, hell this has been said before. We just need to get him outta there.
Someone suggested the other day that Christine move to Il-05. Boy that would be justice.
I think this war is gonna be over SOON.
The congressional goopers figure it cost em the congress- and they ain’t about to let it defeat them again. Clusterfuck can fight uphill for a couple of years and go out a goat- or he can bend to the inevitable and try to control the political damage from retreat.
It’ll all be decided soon- by spring I’d say.
GSD @ 65
you mean “Big Love” is for real?
rwcole @ 77
Murtha and Webb’ll lead the way.
GSD @ 65
You’d be amazed to know just how many deep south constituents are progressive and are totally disgusted with these republicans. When I was a child, most of my family wouldn’t have been caught dead voting for a republican. The GOP reputation was that it was a bunch of liars, thieves and sweat-shop managers. The democratic party so-called leadership in the south is controlled by the dixiecrats. They have all the assets. But guess what? This election was very empowering to a lot of people south of the mason dixon line. We had access to good information and made our own choices. If you don’t want to shut the southern progressives out of the loop, help us with our ground game. Dr. Dean?
Dried and caked American soldier’s blood is on my mind. Especially today. Bodies with holes in them and blood leaking out. And ungodly and unimaginable pain.
What’s on your mind Mr. President?
rwcole @ 69
RW,
I don’t mean to literally write off those states, but the need to pander to them at the expense of the other 45 states is becoming less and less necessary.
By all means keep up the 50 state strategy, but for God’s sake, let’s go easy on the Harold Ford strategy.
Harold sounded like James Dobson half of the time. No wonder he lost, probably scared away the Democratic base in order to appeal to the winger base.
-GSD
Norske (#59):
truly eloquent. we salute you, our veterans, and our women and men who are presently in harm’s way.
Just a reminder, Folks.
Now that the election is over and everyone is breathing a sigh of relief, (at least on our side anyway…)
I just want to remind you that in the not too distant future, we as a global species will make the evolutionary leap to what Jesus referred to as “Son of Man.” (homo infinitis
I will be speaking about this extensivly as the holidays approach, but for now I’ll just point out that all of the technology and human interconnectedness necessary for this evolutionary leap already exist.
In fact we will see a time when the learning of pan dimensional awareness will become as easy as playing a video game with millions of your friends.
More to come…
rwcole,
But in the words of John Kerry way back, “Who are they going to ask to be the last man to die
in (substitute Iraq here) for a lost cause.”
Paraphrased that one, and no, I am not a Kerry fan, but what he said made sense then and NOW.
I agree with you, “Jimmy” as the President called him, will see to it that he limits further damage, and protects the interests of the Carlysle Group. Too bad for those soldiers who are so expendable between now and Spring.
rwcole @
25
I’d like to see him floating down the Potomac,
face downin a small, comfortable boat!Probably SOME of the forces that led to the Dem victory are short term. We can’t depend on that many goopers gettin indicted next time around for example- and the war may not be such a huge partisan issue.
On the other hand, much of the victory came from a failure of gooper policies- and that’s the part that dems need to highlight if they are to maintain the majority.
Get america sayin “Well they had 12 years- but gooperism just doesn’t WORK”
rwcole @
25
Ideas? We haven’t had an idea floated for the past six years, why would they want to start doing that now?
rwcole @ 69
it’s beauty is it’s simplicity. it’s simplicity is it’s strength. Howard Dean is a visionary and we must honor him and defend him from scoundrels like James Carville and Rahm Emanuel. the 50 state strategy is the key to victory in ‘08. if the new congress delivers we can keep winning.
rwcole @ 25
It seems to me that they are scared that we undo their secret plan for victory, which is to secure that the Iraqi oil is flowing into our tankers. They hate the idea of an Iraqi government that would be adverse to the U.S., their plan for securing the oil flow is to have massive military bases in Iraq.
We still have a long way to go until we can throw those bums out.
As is always the case, wars lead to other wars.
Lookat what is brewing in Somalia.
11 states are funding and arming the competing sides…including the Saudis, Egypt, Libya and the Sudan.
War begets war.
Chaos begets more chaos.
Also, after the US fiasco in Iraq unravels, there will be a diaspora of insurgents and mujahaddin who can then fan out to all corners of the world to help spread the fight with all of the new tactics and great on the ground training they experienced in Iraq.
Nice work Deadeye, Rummy, Perle and Kristol.
Somalia’s boiling over.
-GSD
1,332 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Oklahoma kiddo:
“Skoal” brother…one of the many horrible realities of this particular little war is that tens of thousands of damaged and disabled veterans are gunna be dumped on an already weakened social and economic fabric because of the great technology we bring to bear in emergency medical services. These thousands are bein’ dumped on an unsuspecting population who eyes have been willingly turned from the horror of this madness.
KEEP THE FAITH, TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND FIGHT THE BASTARDS EVERYWHERE…WE DON’T HAVE A CHOICE!!
GSD
Yeah I watched the Ford show with amusement. It all goes ta show that ya don’t have ta be a gooper ta say “Lord, Lord” (as is bad mouthed in the good book).
It’s really pretty easy and most guys raised in the south probably know how– so if ya let em sleep easy on the gun issue- and match the goopers with the “LORD LORD” stuff- and tell em yer gonna take bread from the rich fuckers and give it to them- well you can win I expect.
(Most southerners don’t really love the rich- well they like em OK if they’re boiled.)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again –
IT’S TIME TO THROW THE REPUBLICANS OUT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!
And that mean’s YOU, Rahm.
Most southerners have been fucked by the rich- especially farmers. Look into the chicken industry in Mississippi for example- look at the coal mining industry. Populism plays in the south- but dems haven’t figured out how to hum the tune yet.
That’s what Dean meant when he said that all them rednecks in pickups ought to be dem voters.
Norske: hear, hear! You give me goose bumps.
Flame on!
David Ehrenstein @ 93,
I will second your nomination if you will be so kind to add the names of Bob Schrumm, Steve Elmendorf and James Carville. *g*
lindy (#80):
i’m with you, lindy. i’m from tennessee and i can’t believe what has happened there. i would so like for it to turn around and go democratic again. i think the south could come back to the fold but it will take patient, nuts and bolts work. feet on the ground and some people who really know their territory. i think howard dean knows this too….
fahrender @ 89
Somebody put this up during a thread last night, but I think it bears repeating. Pattyp at Kos rounds up ideas for Dean birthday/DNC contributions.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/10/214717/21
apart from the criminals inability to use the army and national guard to invest martial law on us, they will send them to their deaths any way?
Is Bush working for china? or another country bent on our destruction? maybe he is an agent of a foreign government? He does not do anything that benefits the american people, he never has
what I like is that he can’t recall the army and expect them to do anything for him, they would revolt.
This is treason. I accuse my president of treason and crimes against the people of america, and crimes against humanity.
Who will take my case?
Waist deep in the big muddy,
And the big fool says to press on.
Get home safe, vets. And hang onto your sanity if you can.
I agree about Dean- he may be the best we’ve got. Bright, visionary, but with the ability to get things done. Winner.
Another entry from my great-great-grandmother’s diary:
“NOVEMBER 11, 1918.
Monday. Pleasant – The Fire Alarm bell rang about 10 minutes past 4 this morning – telling that the War was over – It was signed at 5 o’clock French Time this morning. Hostilities ceased at 6 A.M. Washington time or 11 A.M. French Time today. A fine procession this P.M. – Thanksgiving service at our church – “
The only World War One veteran I knew personally was my paternal grandfather, born in Stuttgart, who was drafted on his 18th birthday (June 15, 1918) by the German Army. He was fortunate never to see combat: he was supposed to be sent to the Balkan front after basic training but the Germans surrendered there, then to the French front but the Armistice was signed.
I’ll be wearing a Veterans’ Day poppy on my coat today, in honor and in memory of all those who served and fell. May we never forget that this day marks the ending of war.
rwcole @ 68
You all call it “The 50 State Strategy.” Nice name, but you can’t dance to it.
Three years ago we called it “The Vermontster Mash.”
fahrender @ 98
I agree fahrender. Don’t give up on ‘em, but let ‘em know they aren’t needed to win. If they want to continue on as bigoted, racist homophobes with abortion and gay marriage as their defining issues they will be left to rot in the hot sun with absolutely no federal power. We don’t need the South to win, period.
Thanks to Thrasyboulos for the data on Rahmbo’s picks. I complained about Rahmmie before on some blog because he was the DCCC Chairman and was told that he would give it up after this campaign. Does anyone know if that still holds?
Dr. Dean should remain as DNC Chairman unless he decides to run for some big office. If he does, he needs to be replaced by someone of like outlook. Rahmbo, Upchuck, and the whole DLC should be tossed aside. They realize deep down how the party could have done better without them and the netroots really don’t like them. Therefore, that crew of rethug-lite “leaders” is working overtime to try to dissociate the blogs from any part of the current victory.
I have said this before, but I think that it is worth repeating, HRC, George S., Ruhmmie, Carville, the DLC, and I’m sure that there are others that could be named, really gained their fame under Bill. They have all turned out to be dancing to gooper tunes. We really don’t need more of them loosed at the top levels. We need to get rid of them and move in real Democrats.
To honor the troops of the past is to not jeopardize those of the present for foolish political purposes.
This of course means that Bush and his ilk not only dishonor the past, they defile it with their manufactured jingoism and false praise for the ideals of the past by trying to coopt them as cover for their travesty in Iraq.
There are far too many dead and wounded in Iraq today, and God knows when these fools will change the status quo.
As to my family.
My grandfather left his leg in France in WWI and he was haunted the rest of his life and sought respite form his tears with drinking.
He taught my dad how to “cook for the troops” and to this day my pappy is the chef of the house. My grandfathers enduring legacy.
-GSD
Nov. 11, 2006 – President George W. Bush’s response was swift and decisive—if a little late. After voters gave Republicans “a thumpin’” at the polls, handing Democrats control of both houses of Congress, Bush banished his contentious defense secretary; invited the presumptive leaders of the new House and Senate to lunch (would-be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had pasta; the president ate crow, a Bush aide joked); and suffered through two pained photo-ops with Pelosi and Harry Reid, the Nevada Senator expected to become Majority Leader. And what did the president get for listening to the voice of the American people? The worst approval rating of his presidency.
Subway Serenade @
104
oh, i think we danced to it this week.
(That last was from Newsweek- the opening paragraph to the analysis of their latest poll result which shows Clusterfuck at 31% JAR..
Goopers HATE losers.
Swordswoman @ 103
I guess we’re reaching the point when WW1 ia passing from living memory. It still cast a huge shadow over the England of my childhood in the 1970’s. I had many maiden aunts, siblings of my grandparents. They were born in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when large families were common.
It was only when I grew up that I realised why I had all these aunts, and no uncles. They had all been killed in the trenches. Hundreds of thousands of them. For nothing.
rwcole @ 95
If you saw Jim Webb on Lou Dobbs last night, he was boffo and was banging the populist economic drum with just the right beats.
If he keeps up with that and the party keeps it up, lookout.
-GSD
GSD– Yeah I DID see a bit of that. Pretty good—-Dobbs and Webb doin the “FAIRNESS” dance.. Edwards is all over this one too.
Gotta say that by and large I LIKE the new dem senators comin in from red states. Good crop.
Best in show—TESTER!
The Iraq war was started for oil. It was begun by Bush and Cheney for greedy self interests. This war has nothing to do with principle or terrorism. 9-11 was the convenient vehicle. I’d still like to know the ‘real’ value of the Bush/Cheney oil related portfolio now, as compared with pre-2000.
The Bush/Cheney profit from this war? How much per quart of American soldier blood does this break down to?
take care, everybody. i have to motate.
God bless our women and men in Iraq and Afghanistan and all the wounded and scarred who’ve come back, and those here now who may have to go back again for the second or third time. Let’s find an end to this horror and get our people home.
I am not saying that the Iraq Study Group will not come up with ideas, some of which will be worth pursuing but the whole process is something of a sham and an extended version of CYA. The truth is the questions and discussion that are supposed to be going on in the Study Group are precisely those which should have been occurring in this Administration and were not. That there is a Study Group and that the Administration is now looking to it as some kind of panacea, at least on the PR level if not the policy one, is plain and simple an admission of failure, although it is considered impolite to point this out.
At the same time, let us not get too wrapped up in this Study Group. Like the 911 Commission before it, it is deeply flawed. Having a tame Democrat like Lee Hamilton on it does not make it bipartisan. The views of many Americans, perhaps the majority, will not be represented by it. Why? Because it was not formed to speak truth to power but to be acceptable to it. The presence of James Baker and Robert Gates is enough to tell us that. The Group is a vehicle not of the American people but of Bush the father nudging and remonstrating with Bush the son. It is a hell of a way to run a war, a government, and a country.
I think Iraq was the result of the toxic mixture of corporate greed and neo-con naivette.
The neo cons really thought that they were bringing peace and stability to the whole region by the judicious exercise of american power. It was a totally “faith based” mission- cause the empirical facts have never supported their dream.
These guys were dreamers.
Dr. Dean and the Dems have a 50 state strategy.
Introducing, courtesy of National Review Online.
The One State Strategy.
Tough to win an election when you only carry Utah.
-GSD
Hugh- the “study group” is just a vehicle for letting Clusterfuck change his mind without losing too much face.
It’s like hiring a consultant. No one hires McKenzie for example- unless they want to be told to cut staff. Sure enough- millions of dollars later- that’s what you are told- and management says “GEE SORRY- we’re gonna have to cut staff cause that’s what the consultants told us.”
As a pacifist, when I started blogging/commenting, my family nearly disowned me, claiming I was just a Bush hater and was pissing on the memory of my uncles who all served. Now I’ve got even the hard core Koolade drinkers saying…“What about Building 7?”
If you don’t think there’s a connection, you’re not paying attention.
Back in my cub reporter days in New Orleans (1985), one of my early assignments was to cover the reunion of a group of Baatan death march survivors. The head of the local VFW gave me a book containing oral histories of the time so that I would understand what these men had endured in fighting the Japanese invasion of Corregidor, on the march, in the hold of the transport ships and the hell of the POW camps.
The reunion took place in a motel tucked up next to the airport. The vets came rolling in — some of them hobbled — all of them hale and hearty. Every time a passenger jet came roaring in overhead, someone would shout “incoming!,” setting off gales of laughter.
One veteran, however, remains with me to this day. He spoke about one guard in particular who tormented him terribly in the camp, and how, even 40 years later, the man still haunted his dreams. His wife told me that’s why he had to sleep next to the wall — because sometimes in the middle of fevered dream he would kick out in retaliation against the guard. Then they’d both wake up. Then his wife would say: “Did you get him this time, honey?”
But here’s the thing I remember the most about him. He said: “A lot of the guys here, they’re still mad at the Japs about what happened, and I understand that. But when I came home, I decided I just didn’t want to hate half the human race.”
Talk about a hero.
AP – President Bush marked Veterans Day by praising U.S. troops who have fought oppression around the world, yet spoke only briefly about Iraq, where U.S. commanders are re-evaluating strategy.
What do you mean? We already know the truth of what is going on: our soldiers are dying for no good reason in pursuit of goals that more and more experts acknowledge are unattainable. It’s time to bring our soldiers home. Now.
Notorious P.A.T. at 124 — what I mean is that an enormous chunk of the American electorate is only now waking up to the fact that the Bush Administration is full of shit. And that we all deserve to know the full truth about all of this mess. If you find that problematic…well, I don’t know where to start with that today, I’m afraid.
Hugh, I agree with you, and think we’re fucked every way to Tuesday. Don’t forget Panetta is on the ISG and here’s what he has to say:
“The situation in Iraq is “even worse than we thought,” with key Iraqi leaders showing no willingness to compromise to avoid increasing violence, said Leon Panetta, a member of the high-powered advisory group that will recommend new options for the war.
“This week, the pressure on us just went up a few hundred degrees,” Panetta said Friday. He is a former Democratic congressman who heads the Panetta Institute at California State University-Monterey Bay.
Panetta would not discuss the options the group is considering, noting that members have not reached a consensus yet, but talked about what he has learned about Iraq. The group spent three days in Baghdad in early September and has been briefed by military, intelligence and diplomatic officials.
Private assessments by government officials are much more grim than what is said in public, Panetta said, “and we left some of those sessions shaking our heads over how bad it is in Iraq.”
U.S. forces can’t control sectarian violence and powerful militias. One of the most disturbing findings, Panetta said, is that many Shiite religious leaders who are a big part of the government have no interest in deals or compromises with Sunnis and other groups, and are “playing for time because they say it’s their show.”
After years of Bush administration rhetoric about establishing democracy in Iraq, Panetta said the only achievable goal is a rough stability, “which can’t be done by the military. It requires political reconciliation.”
One scaled-down goal, he added, is “how do you maintain a low-level civil war so it doesn’t blow up into a full-scale civil war?”
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld…..987947.htm
Dire and brutal truths.
Wanna help the troops…expose PNAC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gNzqyCFC4
The Iraq and Afghan occupations and bushco’s entire foreign policy is based on imperialism and global dominance, without a shred of concern for the the indigenous peoples or the soldiers who fight them, imho.
I agree with you, Hugh about the ISG @ 117. I made the same comparison between it and the 9/11 just last nite to friends.
Cafferty on Bush cooperation with the newly Democratic Congress:
“The father of the bride is standing there with a shotgun full of subpoenas.”
$50,000?
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Di…..ocusoniraq
We gotta get our guy and go…
Just got a call from a lady at my son’s school since I’m on the official”helpers list”. They started something called The Builders Club,and one of the things they’re working on now is sending care packages to Iraq and Afghanistan for our soldiers. Monday is the big package assembly day. Looks like all I have to do is show up with supplies(she’s emailing me a list) and some boxes and we’re off to the races. The universe must be conspiring with me for a change.
An Angry Old Broad @ 74
(Delurking again) I cry with every story. My son will be home on leave for Thanksgiving with the understanding he will be deployed any time after that. He just turned 21. When he decided to enlist before Christmas two years ago, I wrote my first ever letter to the White House questioning the actions of our leadership. Like you I take what action I can. I donated money to Blue America–my first politcal donations ever. I’ve decided it will be part of my annual budget to continue and increase the amount. I have celebrated every day since Tuesday with hope that we have started to change the tide. I too hope to have our troops home soon. I will support actions to shut Haliburton down. I hope we can regain national integrity by trying the criminals that have disgraced our country. And again thank you FDL and pups, no, patriots for being here so we can unite having been tricked into believing our opinions were of the minority.
oldtree @ 100
Germany?
There is one person with the brains, world respect and moral perspective to make the decisions that will give Iraq and our troops some chance of making all the sacrifice have some lasting value – Jimmy Carter -
Bush and his crew need to be put aside and Carter given the responsibility and authority to do whatever is necessary to give Iraq a chance.
(((hugs))) to you PNWster. And thank you to your son for his service.
One of the more malicious rhetorical devices adopted by the gooper govt. regarding our troops is “Well they volunteered” as if the fact that young people signed up for the army voluntarily gives politicians the right to butcher them needlessly without remorse.
David Ehrenstein @ 94
Hell yes, David.
Rahm’s pick for Majority Leader?
Denny Hoyer was one of the leading advocates of the HAVA act – the “Help America Vote Act” that mandated the use of electronic vote stealing machine. Hoyer’s lobbying pal in this was his buddy Jack Abramoff.
Gosh, I don’t have Rahm’s political skills, so I can’t help wondering how Hoyer’s work for HAVA – and the campaign contributions it brought him – goes over with his Democratic colleagues – the targets of the electronic vote manipulation.
The electonic vote manipulation intended to defeat Hoyer’s Democratic colleagues. I’m also wondering if the association with Abramoff is really what the DLC wants to peddle when “corruption” was the second biggest issue in the election.
Seems like an extreme form of triangulation even for Rahm and the DLC.
But then I’m not from the Chicago machine, so I don’t see the world Rahm sees.
I don’t screw over my friends, either.
Apparently Rahm’s political acumen is so keen that he thinks the best pick for Majority Leader is the guy who helped Dem members lose their elections – and got campaign cash to do it.
Attaboy, Rahm. Go Steny!
1,332 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
rwcole:
“The neocons really thought that they were bringing peace and stability to the whole region…”
Come on rw, I know you are not naive and you certainly are not stupid. You know better’n most, with your understanding of how ideology is advanced in the interest of power in our system, that war in the middle east has been the grand design of the corporatists since the end of the cold war ( and ,I would argue, since the end of WWII).
We have reached a political turning point…a point from which there is no retreat and no alternative but to confront the economic powers that have taken us to this moment. The treasury is bein’ drained, all the equity is being stolen from the economy and the political institutions designed to protect the public from this criminality have been turned against the people.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T GIVE ME ANY BULLSHIT ABOUT THE GOOD INTENSIONS OF THE CAPITALISTS!!
By the way- Pelosi in the speaker’s seat makes if theoretically possible to get a dem president before 09.
We’re a double impeachment away from takin the White House.
The impression is that those few Democrats who support continued American deaths in Iraq, (or those that want to “revisit the issue” at some later time), should be held to a standard at least as high (if not higher) as are the Republicans for this Bushco fiasco.
rat bastahd @ 105
you know, r.b., when you talk to or about people like that, they don’t even think about coming over to your side. i’m totally against racism and homophobia and i know of a lot of southerners who are as well. and, by the way, racism and homophobia are found in many states above the mason dixon line.
we do need southern states and we need to win them over, not be holier-than-thou with them. if you remember reconstruction you’ll also remember that it didn’t work out too well……
there are a lot of southern voters who feel really betrayed by fuckwad and karl right now. when people are in that emotional state they appreciate understanding and respect. if we give it to them, it may pay rewards in the future.
Yep,rwcole @136,that pisses me off just about as much as anything. Makes me fighting mad.
The fact that they volunteered makes their service all the more precious and worthy of our respect.
I DARE a one of ‘em to say that to someone who’s served, eyeball to eyeball.
rwcole @ 137
http://www.wonkette.com/politi…..214077.php
GSD @ 112
I wanted to hear Webb’s acceptance speech, but I understand CNN cut him off right in the middle. I heard it was worth hearing. I’ll have to look and see if it’s on their web site.
Norske
Read my post again. The capitalists were mentioned in there prominently- and with due reference to GREED.
Many of the neo cons, however, the University of Chicago School- were ex dems who convinced themselves that the “Pax Americana” which the end of the cold war enabled could be a humanitarian miracle.
OT:
By request…Carville.
And for those who might have missed it last night…”The aristocrats!”
;>)
We’re from Raleigh, NC and we were really concerned about our Congressman’s (Brad Miller) re-election because he had a rabid right wing Rep running against him. Radical r/winger lives out of the district, was funded by 3 million out of state dollars, flooded the airwaves with the worst ads–ie; defend our borders, Miller is for gay marriage, even implied that Miller was gay because he and his wife don’t have children. (Esther Hall, Miller’s wife had cancer surgery before they were married.) Robinson claimed he was the black Jesse Helms and certainly acted out Jesse’s worst inclinations.
On election day, Miller won with 64% of the vote while Robinson got only 30 %.
1,332 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
rwcole:
“we’re a double impeachment away from takin the White House.”
Is there and echo in here…I’ve been yellin’ that scenario from the top a my lungs for about a year now. And I think that a Darth Cheney resignation (after bein’ exposed as an unindicted co-conspirator by Fitz) while Clusterfuck is under impeachment would provide the window to get Pelosi President for a day in which she presents Al Gore to the Senate as Vice President and then abdicates to run in the special election in her district for her old seat.
We could get Al Gore for 9 years and seal the coffin on Republican fascism.
KEEP THE FAITH, IT’S ALL WORTH FIGHTIN’ FOR!!
Steny Hoyer, not Denny Hoyer (on 137)
Sigh. Time to start proofreading sentence by sentence – from the end “up”.
Poor white southerners have been denied the ability to enforce union shop contracts.
Poor white southern farmers are owned lock stock and barrel by corporate interests who take advantage of the fact that they are dirt poor to force them into a monopoly machine that requires em to buy from and sell to the monopolist.
Poor southern workers often do without any medical benefits
etc. etc. etc.
These guys are a couple of “praise Jesuses” away from voting dem.
PNWster @
132
Hope you and your family have a joyous Thanksgiving and that your son – and all the other sons and daughters – return safely.
Very soon.
Margarete @ 147
I’d be interested to see how suburban districts voted overall. Ed Perlmutter’s win in suburban Denver surprised me because it appeared to be a solid red district, like Tancredo’s next door. I get that it was an open seat, but for them to flip like that showed me they’re reachable. I guess it’s too soon for this anyone to have broken the numbers down to this level. I’d like to see the breakdown by precinct of the Paccione/Musgrave race too.
Cheney’s rallying cry in Iraq
“Don’t let the [Chinese] get the oil!”
Lindy– here’s Webb’s speech from YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APbuTVR0bnk
The road to the south goes through Virginia.
Ohio Election Workers Delay Final Congressional Vote Count Until After Football Game…
Margarete @ 147
I watched some of one the Miller / Robinson debates on CPSAN. Robinson was so wacked out Miller couldn’t stop laughing at him
Mean Jean leading by a couple of thousand votes apparently.. but the election hasn’t been called yet. Anyone got a read on that one?
@156 I heard that on NPR yesterday; I think the delay was a week. WTF!
Ohio appears to be (at least temporarily) blue. Keepin it that way has got to be a high priority for the dems.
rwcole @ 153
very much so, it is an extremely important race and Webb is a very fine man and committed to improving this nation and stopping war.
Allen is not a nice man, nor is he smart.
When the rest of the South sees Jim Webb lead, they will vote Dem again and leave the rhetoric behind and vote their interests again.
jmo, but it’s all why he got so much support from my friends, my family and me!
rwcole @ 158
WaPo, via TPM
Punaise–
Shit-
Of course this IS a gooper district in Ohio- there may be a TON of provisionals to wade through- first refuge of voter intimidation!
we need to federalize all that is haliburton in Iraq, they have stolen from our soldiers, they have stolen form America, they have stolen from Iraq.
we need to publicize and ridicule the PNAC
they are a bunch of draft dodging sickos, they have no military clue, no economic clue, no history clue
they are a sick fraternity made of of sick and depraved morons who wanted to steal the treasure of Iraq and America.
this needs to be publicized
AND WE NEED HEARINGS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
we NEED to subpoena the vice president FIRST THING, and we need to let him even TRY to invoke executive privilege
and when he does, BING..IMPEACH THE BASTARD
we need to subpoena ALL INVOLVED IN THE ENERGY SUMMIT
we need to subpoena ALL OF HALIBURTON
we need to jump on this FAST
fahrender: “you know, r.b., when you talk to or about people like that, they don’t even think about coming over to your side. i’m totally against racism and homophobia and i know of a lot of southerners who are as well. and, by the way, racism and homophobia are found in many states above the mason dixon line.
we do need southern states and we need to win them over, not be holier-than-thou with them. if you remember reconstruction you’ll also remember that it didn’t work out too well……
there are a lot of southern voters who feel really betrayed by fuckwad and karl right now. when people are in that emotional state they appreciate understanding and respect. if we give it to them, it may pay rewards in the future.”
I knew it sounded overly harsh after I posted it, and I agree with your points. Plenty who fit my description here and elsewhere who are not in the South. Plenty in the South who don’t. Still George Allen shouldn’t have been within smelling distance of Webb, yet he was in a state that isn’t even “deep” South. The Dems picked up Webb and Shuler out of the entire South in an atmosphere of total corruption, absolute incompetence, and in which a “good christian man” (Bush) ridiculed the religious right and did not work towards their goals. If they can’t win in that climate I just don’t see it happening anytime soon. I’ve talked to too many people who have been brain-washed into believing the GOP represents their values and can’t see anything beyond abortion and gay marriage. I’ve talked myself silly with these people about war, poverty, health care and how they fit under the “family values” umbrella, and have quoted Jesus in doing so. I’m a believer in Lakoff’s framing and use it. I still run into plenty of brick walls.
My overall point was that the (white) South needs to recognize that they no longer dominate or hold the power in national elections and they can either move forward into the 21st century or lose further clout. And one thing I know about the South is they cherish power.
To those who have served: thank you. You’re one of the reasons we can even have a place like this one.
On rwcole’s succession observation: courtesy of Americablog, here’s a picture with numbers 1, 2, and 3 all in one picture. If you didn’t know which was which, who would you pick out as #1?
And rwcole, if you liked the pollster.com, this article is a rather more technical (and bulletproof) analysis which comes to about the same results.
rwcole @ 150
And don’t forget Wal-Mart. Most of the small and some of the medium-sized businesses were driven out of business by WallieWorld, who (I’m talking to the family, here) sells clothing and other products with the “Made in the USA” label by dint of the fact that the clothing etc. is made in the hell-hole sweatshops of the Marianas.
Prof- thanks- I’ll give it a read- looks as if I better set aside an hour or so though.
new Howie thread!
Lindy @167,
That would be TAX PAYER SUBSIDISED Walmart, right? This is a point that could usefully be talked up.
atrios has a very special pony for Bush at 31%
J:
It was folly. I am so angry at you. All those lives lost. But we better understand it’s over, or else. It’s a new day. By the way, it’s not simply viral. If you don’t want it, what the hey.
11. OK.
G.
PeteCO @ 170
Can you expand on that?
(((((PNWster and son)))))
Bless you and may your son stay safe from harm.
Lindy @ 167
And don’t forget Wal-Mart. Most of the small and some of the medium-sized businesses were driven out of business by WallieWorld, who (I’m talking to the family, here) sells clothing and other products with the “Made in the USA” label by dint of the fact that the clothing etc. is made in the hell-hole sweatshops of the Marianas.
Lindy,
Thank you for bringing up the Marianas issue. I’m originally from rural eastern NC and still have family there. I cannot understand why this issue has gotten virtually no traction in the MSM. It’s one, that when I’ve explained it to people, really resonates with southerners.
They’re hurting in the rural areas due to NAFTA and CAFTA plus Chinese furniture imports…and don’t get me started on corporate farming.
I feel strongly some of them have stayed with the Rethugs because they could not bear to fully acknowledge how screwed over they’ve been by them. They would lose any hope that they have in their future.
About southern Dems — John Edwards knows there are “Two Americas” because he’s seen it. Elizabeth knows what life is like for our military because she grew up in that world. If “Mr. Freedon Fries” (Walter Jones R-NC) can change his stance on Iraq, there’s hope in the South …..but the Rahm Emanuels of the Democrats are not going to bother with these people. If only Larry Kissell had gotten some of the money spent in IL.
Lindy @ 173
On some pragmatic level, I doubt that Rummy will ever stand trial on the charges being prepared in Germany. Like Kissinger, he simply won’t travel to countries which might extradite him.
But, just hypothesizing–were he to find himself on trial for war crimes, would he plead insanity? :) After all, plenty of people believe that he is insane, and the way the war was conducted certainly suggests more than just irrationality.
Second, would he turn on Junior and Toad-In-The-Hole if he were facing the rest of his life in prison?
closing tag
montag @ 177
he would definately turn on junior and toad in the hole
these are all yellow cowards.
offer him a deal, and they are toast
J:
In the final event you are my only friend. What am I to you? I am the mote in your eye. I have always been with you, and I always will be.
G.
Apple Canyon 2 @
76
Maybe not necessary. There’s gonna be a ton of shit coming out on what the `pugs have been doing, and just for his being a good Bushbot, some of it’s going to stick to Roskam. Besides, he’s a real asshole. So, everybody, save up some nickels and dimes for the next go-round and give Cegelis a decent shot at a primary and a general, and Roskam gets to go home.
I have a feeling that if the Dems just do the one thing that’s not been done in the last six years–oversight of the money being spent–the `pugs will be the minority party again, and for a good long while.
There’s been a big attempt to cross-brand Christianity and Republicanism. Think of one, think of the other. If all of what the `pugs have been doing comes out, it will work much differently. Say “Republican,” and people will think, “criminal.”
Le Jackel at 180 — care to explain that cryptic phrasing, because you are beginning to give off a decidedly creepy vibe…
CHS:
Ok. Going elsewhere…
G.
perris @
164
Thankyou, this Vet won’t forget!
Halliburton, Bechtel, Blackwater, CACI International, etc.
All of them here (Katrina) and abroad should be investigated.
This includes Afghanistan and more; much more than we even know of. I am sure of it.
By all means, the proper Democratic response regarding Iraq should be to ask when President Bush, who took us down this road, plans to begin realistic political reconciliation discussions. Or perhaps Mr. Bush is not up to the responsibility which rests on his shoulders.
An Angry Old Broad @ 74:
I’ve been sending stuff via AnySoldier for two years.
One tip: the Post Office has two “flat rate” boxes that go Priority Mail for $8.10. I use these to send “heavy” stuff like magazines, energy bars, juice boxes, etc. I usually then send a second priority box crammed with the “lighter” stuff.
I’ve found that my “heavy” priority boxes usually would have cost $14-$16 if they weren’t the “flat rate” ones.
When you think of the enormous amounts of cash going to this war, it’s astounding that troops are asking for things like socks, brushes to clean their equipment, shampoo, etc.
I’ll bet the Halliburton & Black Water contractors are well supplied, though.
After years of Bush administration rhetoric about establishing democracy in Iraq, Panetta said the only achievable goal is a rough stability, “which can’t be done by the military. It requires political reconciliation.”
Can any of the commenters explain to me what political reconciliation roughly means? How many sub-conflicts are there going on currently in Iraq? 5? 6? More? I also hear this rhetoric regarding our options in Iraq at this point as being “bad, worse or awful”. Does anyone want to make any educated guesses on what the “bad, worse and awful” options might entail? And when you take out the telescope and try to see the future of the region in 5-10 years …how does it look?
It occurred to me that winning both chambers on 11/7 could turn out to be a blessing and a curse to Dems in 2008. I can envision a whiny GOP crying about how their various and sundry attempts to bring stability at a critical time was derailed or somehow obstructed by the Democratic Congress when they did X,Y and Z. That would really suck. How could they develop a strategy in order to not fall into that trap?
Personally, I cannot wait for the day when this is just a sad memory and everyone (including our troops) are sitting at the coffee shop putting together the business model for our alternative energy startup company.
Thanks RC