Looks like John Bolton and the Bush Administration are not having a good morning. Time for a little…
…TEQUILA!
Sen. Chris Dodd issued a statement yesterday that, I think, pretty much says it all about the Bush Administration's moronic re-nomination of the failed John Bolton to a post that he never had any chance of getting:
“The people of our nation sent a very strong message on election day. They want a new tone and direction in Washington. They also want a new policy on Iraq and a fresh start that can help bring this war to a successful conclusion. Sadly, Mr. Bolton doesn’t represent change but a failed status quo. The fact that Mr. Bolton tried to fire intelligence officers for disagreeing with him and has been disdainful of using diplomacy to forge important alliances in the war on terror are evidence of that. Not surprisingly, there continues to be bipartisan opposition to his nomination.
“The President has indicated that he understands the significance of Tuesday’s election and the need to work in a bipartisan fashion to move our nation forward. But trying to jam this nomination through during a lame duck session may indicate that the President didn’t fully hear the voice of the American public – and that is troubling. Our nation needs someone who can represent change at the United Nations, who understands the importance of a strong and muscular diplomacy, and who can garner United States allies in the war on terror. To that end, the President should immediately rethink this nomination. But if he doesn’t, I intend to make every effort to ensure that this nomination doesn’t get approved.”
Is it me, or would you have stopped nominating Bolton three failed attempts ago? America can do much better than having an ineffective bully as its UN Ambassador. How about we put competence and diplomacy ahead of cronyism for a change? It's a new era, Bushie, get with the program.
And Lincoln Chafee? Thanks.
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FITZ!
PEE WEE!
Maybe Chafee would make a good UN Ambassador.
Is it me, or would you have stopped nominating Bolton three failed attempts ago?
…Stay the course.
UN Ambassador Borat?
It’s like a slapstick comedy routine.
Oh for pity’s sake,they never learn do they? There HAS to be someone better suited to that job,hell,I know middle school kids who could handle it better than Bolton.
great. Now I’m going to be doing the Peewee Herman “tequila” dance in the shower.
It’s all about Georgie. He has to get his way. It will be entertaining watching little man stamp his little feet over the next two years every time he doesn’t get his way.
Be careful wearing those big shoes in the shower watertiger…
Once an idiot, always an idiot. Describes bush perfectly.
Good morning Christie
So I’m making my first cup of coffee with CNN on and there’s Miles O’Brien interviewing Gephardt. Gephardt gives the usual bromides about bipartisanship and Miles then says, “but is that really possible with what went on yesterday?” I’m listening and wondering if he’s gonna bring up the Bolton Nomination or maybe the plea to get the warrantless wiretapping rammed thru the Lame Duckers, but what does he bring up?
Yes, you guessed it (and, of course predicted it). CHARLIE RANGEL WANTS HIS OFFICE BACK!!!!!
The more things change…
watertiger at 8 — I aim to please. *G*
I think Bush is doing this to firm up his base. They are furious at him for canning Rumsfeld because they think it shows weakness.
By the way, fantastic posts yesterday from Christy and Swopa on the necessity of compromise. I’m going to bookmark those for future reference. :)
Well, another thing: the media has started saying, Oh, a slim majority, the Dems better be disciplined (uh, Reid and Pelosi? Hello) but Chafee basically said, No way—the American people don’t want this. Bush has more ‘discipline’ problems than Democrats.
In fact, the way things are going, Republicans are more likely to begin impeachment proceedings than Democrats.
With the bad blood between Dodd and Lieberman over Dodd’s support of Lamont (albeit late in the day) – and the fact that Lieberman offered a last minute endorsement of Bolton to satisfy his supporters like Pammy (who was at his victory party) – I wonder if there will be fireworks between the two Senators from CT on the Bolton nomination/confirmation.
Will Joe carry water on this for his Republican friends? For the next year or so I will enjoy watching Mr. “Independent” Lieberman further alienate the Democratic leadership. (I know he doesn’t care about his Democratic constituents since we threw him out in the August primary and 80% of us voted for Lamont in the general)
I still am a believer in “what goes around comes around.”
(By the way – my daughters and I LOVED Peewee’s Playhouse. When they were little we watched it devotedly. And I still laugh at PeeWee’s Great Adventure.)
IP Democracy @ 11
I suppose all the successful Dem candidates calling for withdrawal from Iraq was a centrist/conservative strategy…
Uh, huh.
For me this is poetic justice. I entered the blog world via Clemons taking on Bolton. He kept linking to other blogs, and I liked that fdl one that had the hilarious graphics. Thanks Monk!
Oh and David Brooks, wise up:
Democrats…will have to show they have not been taken over by their bloggers…who will alienate them from the suburban office park moms.
Yo Brooks: WE ARE THE SUBURBAN MOMS. Return to your previously scheduled political nightmare.
Chafee Considering Leaving GOP
[edit - forgot the smilie ;>)]
George W. Bush, failing upwards since birth. The soft bigotry of failed expectations is his motto.
-GSD
G’Morning Christy…. last day on the same time zone as you…..
This reminds me of being single after 18yrs of marriage when everyone is trying to setup blind dates for ya because everyone MUST be pared or you do not exist. How many times do they have to arrange another date with the same bozo and how many times do you have to turn them down before they get the message……
certainly Bolton is more than acceptable to the far-right senator from Connecticut, Lieberman
It’s about time Democrats just say “no” to this never ending parade of loons, crooks and con-men that ChimpCo trots out before us. It’s an insult to the American people and to the world at large.
egregious 18 — got your back on that.
Here’s another suburban office park mom, Bobo, with a mortgaged McMansion and 2.5 kids, picket fence, etc….minor party official, rank-and-file party member.
And I blog.
I blog about what an ignorant, condescending *sshole Bobo Brooks is, and ask why someone of his insipid capacity is ensconced at the Grey Lady.
watertiger — left you a reply last thread. ;-)
Never mind Bolten bush wants the republican congress to RETROACTIVLY MAKE THE NSA’s domestic spying program legal! Isn’t making an act legal retroactivily illegal? I think bush wants to focus the debate on this issue because spying on americans to protect America is a better issue to defend to his base than kidnapping people without a trial and sending them to Arab countries to be tortured. We can and should cherry pick the best issues to investigate first. The best issues are not necesarily the ones most likly to impeach bush we can save them for later. The best issues are those that are the ones most likly to anger America and that we can prove quickly!
mui @ 23
Well, where is he going to meet a *nice* man? Work? Church?
dab from CT @ 16
dab, I doubt there will be fireworks at least from Liarman, because that’s not how that crooked sh*t works. It will be more like a steady stream of smelly gaseous emission.
Dodd has a short fuse though.
BTW. I am *still* pulling my hair out over the results of the CT election. One voter was so misinformed, that he called Liarman, the “New Lowell Weicker.”
Bush says he wants to cooperate with the Democrats, that he hears the voice of the American people. And then he goes about Bush business as usual.
For the Ivins fans out there……..
http://www.creators.com/opinio…..nsName=miv
Of course we will be bipartisan and look forward. I, for one, look forward to bipartisan hearings on war profiteering.
O Matt O.?
HotFlash @ 26
…maybe at The New Life Church?
watertiger, you out of the shower? What means this?
watertiger @
56
twolf1 @ 30
What you mean the new Democratic congress has to introduce Chimpy to the world at large too?
I would speculate that the best adjective to describe Dodd’s and Lieberman’s relationship now will be “frost.” I don’t see Lieberman carrying on much out in the open since Dodd will hold a powerful committee chairmanship (Rules and administration, or more likely, Banking, housing and urban affairs). Even powerful senators don’t want to fuck around with other powerful senators.
Now that Lieberman has taken a thumpin and has got his political game back on, he has to be looking around the country at the carnage that was wrecked on Bush backing neocons and realize he is lucky to still be standing.
It will be interesting to see if he gets smug again and becomes a neocon insurgent activist.
If he chooses insurgent, then expect his committee (Homeland security and Government affairs) to produce sham investigations that exonerate the Bush administration.
he has, thus far, led a very sheltered life.
Chafee stood up yesterday and showed some courage on Bolton. It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for Chafee. But he did one thing wrong, and it’s the only thing that mattered: he promised (credibly) that he’d vote for the Republican Majority Leader.
By the way, semi-OT: the guys who ran close but losing Senate campaigns for the Dems (e.g. Carter, Ford, Pederson) aren’t getting enough credit for making Reid the Majority Leader. The time, money, and effort that the GOP spent defending those seats are millions that they couldn’t use to scrounge up fiteen hundred votes in Montana, or seven thousand in Virginia.
That goes double for Lamont. Without Lamont, not a single GOP dime would have gone into a Lieberman-Schlesinger general election. But instead, GOP donors spent millions in Connecticut. Millions they couldn’t spend in Montana or Virginia.
Sometimes plays work because of what’s going on away from the ball.
Prof Foland at 36 — very true. There was a lot of maneuvering behind the scenes that, luckily, paid off in a big way. It’s truly odd to watch all the frantic juggling. But to see it pay off this well? Worth every minute of lost sleep. :)
Craig Ferguson says goodbye to Rummy: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..odbye.html
The Bolton domination is DOA. Clusterfuck KNOWS that- so why is he resubmitting it? Guess he wants CONGRESS to tell Bolton to pound sand cause he doesn’t have the stomach for it- that would be too rational for his base.
Talk about Kabuki- the last two years of this fucked up administration are goin to be fuckin wierd. He’s gonna cut and run and call it victory.
Joe’s power hungry. He’s out for himself, and I don’t think he’s going to risk playing with the majority power to pay back the descimated, powerless Republican minority.
He swung over to the Repugs while they had a solid majority and feed off them. When he was challenged and knew he would lose, he keep sucking off his Republican power base to feed his need.
Now that the Dems are in control and he can continue his addiciton to power, he’ll suck off them. What kind of favors can a weak and powerless Karl Rove call in when he doesn’t have anything left for Joe to suck off.
Joe’s a power queen. He’ll service for power to feed his ego.
Recently saw a picture of Lieberman and McCain — sitting really cozy close in deep discussion. Thos two represent the lie of bipartisianship.
Wanna see how BillO and Lush feel now? The WORD says it all: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…../sigh.html
Professor Foland @ 35
I am proud of Lamont, but still bitter that he is not our senator. It seems like we in CT were ground zero, drawing fire very early on from the HoJoe and pals. For the Chuck Schumers and Rahm Emmanuels to claim victory, well . . .
Bush heard, all right, but he still isn’t listening. John Bolton isn’t the only ineffective bully that we don’t need.
Ed Deevy @ 3
Would indeed, unless we could get Bolton AND Atlas’ Jugs and the Twinz as a pair for UN Ambassador. I mean Bolton PLUS Pammie ARE the pair, not just Pam’s Twinz … oh nevermind …. It could make for some great comic relief, though: Pam Riding the Great Walrus bareback into the Chamber, passing out xanax and vodka, Old Testaments and toupee fixative to ambassadors and janitors alike ….
Lieberman is just a worn out dem with a rightward lean. He had a dream of bein the president that Scoop Jackson (his hero) never was. That’s all water under the bridge. He will serve out the term he was just elected for and that will be the end of him. He is not the devil- those shoes are way too big for him.
here’s what we have to look out for and guard against;
when congress re convenes, bush will try to take as much middle class money as possible and give more of it to his friends
he will try to make permanent the tax gifts, he will try to take more social security funds
he will try to make permanent the “energy bill”
he will try to pre pardon himself with laws that forgive what he did before the law he wrote himself
they will try to muscle these things through and claim the democrats are being pbstructionist
bolton is the bait, they always ask for something so egregious nobody would allow it, then when they ask for something that would have been declined it becomes more likely to pass
that’s what bolton is
we need to frame all these attempts in the correct persoective
“awaiting moderation”
nertz — ust have been the x word
Good Morning Doggies !
Rahm to vie for Caucus Chair – anyone care to engage in some wild speculation and tell me what he does with this ? Does this make him Speaker Pelosi’s ‘muscle’ ? or does it mean he has his jaundiced eye on higher office ?
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..944-1.html
okay, the Bastille has been successfully stormed, I want my *ilson back !!!
waving to GrandmaJ
you mean this pic ?
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-co…..ccain1.jpg
almost puts a gal off her coffee
To not renominate bolton would be to acknowledge objective reality. And you recall that’s not how rhings work, we must acknowledge the reality they create.
Millineryman @ 39
I totally agree that Lieberman is an egotistical, pseudo-pious, opportunist. Call me naive if you will, but I think Joe was very much caught off base by Ned and the left. He has to have realized that he lost touch with his electorate. Has he been shamed? Will he try to ‘redeem’ hismelf as a “Kennedy liberal”?
I think we will learn a lot more about Joe’s true nature in the manner that he celebrates his ‘victory’.
medaka at 48 — you have been freed — refresh your screen. :)
David Sirota has Lessons from Lamont:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/si…..icle/2917/
Bush is tryin to save his presidency. Goopers are comin after him- they need to rebuke him to have a chance at regaining power. Watch the goopers fight- it’s the hottest ticket in town.
Watch Clusterfuck “cut and run” and call it “victory”.
This is goin to make america shake it’s head.
rwcole – we will just have to disagree about Lieberman. He is a dangerous man and will continue to disagree with any oversight that the Senate wants to do. He a republican mole behind our lines and can only mean trouble.
He is about to ally himself with McCain, who is trying to run away from the republican leadership after years of sucking up big time, and the two will forment whatever trouble they can.
To Dab in CT and all the others who sweat blood to work for Lamont, please keep close tabs on joey. Would it help to send missives to all newspapers every time what he currently says disagrees with all those campaign statements? That will prove what a two faced liar he is.
Bush is spectacularly tone-deaf when it comes to listening to what “the people” have to say. Unlike his predecessor, Bill Clinton, Bush has never understood grassroots Americans because he has never been one of them, has never really worked with them and doesn’t understand their struggles, their problems and their situations. He strikes me as a person who has been indulged and given his own way most of his life, with few if any obstacles to overcome. Therefore, he always wants his own way and can’t understand when things don’t go smoothly. I hope Sen. Dodd and the rest of the Dems send Bush a message he will finally be able to understand.
I love the pic…but I love the little rickie pee wee pic better :#
cbl – Thanks for the pictures. Yes, that is the one. I really did gag when I saw it. Rummy, Joey and Cheeks — sitting together planning their next move. And it will be a doozy. McCain is going to pick Joey to be his VP.
OT – Handover to Iraqi Army ’set for the end of next year’
Bob Zuber said “I think Bush is doing this to firm up his base”
I think Bush is just free basing.
ccmask @ 61
…or base jumping.
Clusterfuck is about to leave the goopers (and dems) who supported him on Iraq high and dry. He’s goin to give the Iraqis one more year and then begin withdrawin- he’ll call this “victory”. It’s exactly what Woodward said he would do. Why did he wait until AFTER the election to do this and insure defeat for his party? I suspect because he wanted more time to “prepare” americans for retreat.
This man is total bullshit.
Lieberman will be among those hung out to dry.
GrandmaJ @ 58
Nah, Lieberman is done. He has peaked. He can accurately read the overall message from the new coalition and at least pretend to be magnanimous or he can gloat and be obstructionistic.
President’s Evasion Raises Truth Issues
McCain ain’t gonna be president and Joey ain’t gonna be VP. The whole political landscape is about to suffer and earthquake. Nothin will look the same.
Chaffey wants to leave the GOP and what? be a DEM or Independent for his last days in congress? Or is he hinting to bush that he wants a job and can be bought off, otherwise he won’t toe the GOP line? What does this mean?
Watch the goopers fight- it’s the hottest ticket in town.
and apparently gonna go all 12 rounds – check your pay per view*g*
The Shill -
http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..feld2.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Thanks, Christy! Just trying to wake everyone up with some scary imagery — this as I’m fall asleep. A very hot bath is calling ….
Bush is about to be eaten alive by his “base”- they are gonna fuckin HATE him. He LOST- that’s the cardinal sin.
Goopers were forced to face up to the fact that they are MORTAL. That pisses em off.
OT…but can someone help me with this question??
Why is it a given that Lieberman will be chairing the commitee on HS ? I realize his seniority status and the tradition but aren’t chairmanships contingent on majority leadership approval?
Here’s somthing that old ‘cowboy’ in the White House might understand: “There’s a new Sheriff in town! Get used to it pardner.”
Larry- Dems can put Lieberman in a chair or they can watch him walk across the aisle and lose the Senate. Which do you think they will do?
Pachacutec @ 54
Thank you, Pach. Much needed chicken soup.
GrandmaJ @ 56
Gandalf on Lieberman:
“See, Thoden, here is a snake! With safety you cannot take it with you, nor can you leave it behind. To slay it would be just. But it was not always as it now is. Once it was a man, and did you service in its fashion. Give him a horse and let him go at once, wherever he chooses. By his choice you shall judge him. “
Getting Congress back is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for taking our country back from the brink of fascism. Glenn Greenwald has a disturbing post today. I’ll quote from it:
“this is what the [WAPO] article reported about the President’s Rumsfeld explanation:
Bush indicated that he had made the decision to replace Rumsfeld before the elections, but he said he had not held a “final conversation” with the defense chief or talked to Gates at the time he told reporters in response to a question last week that Rumsfeld would be staying on.
Asked about that comment, Bush said he made it because “I didn’t want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days of a campaign,” Bush said. He appeared to acknowledge having misled reporters, saying, “And so the only way to answer that question and to get you onto another question was to give you that answer.”
But at some point, the Post fundamentally changed this article (without leaving any indication that it did so). Now, in that same Post article, the passage I quoted about the President’s having acknowledged that he “misled reporters” is gone entirely — just disappeared, deleted with no trace — and instead one finds only this:
He said that he had begun to contemplate Rumsfeld’s exit before the election — even while he was publicly vowing that he would keep the defense secretary through the end of his term and insisting that polls forecasting Republican defeat were wrong.”
The emphases are mine. We have the frightening spectre of the media rewriting history right before our very eyes. Who do we complain to about this?
PLEASE….. everyone keep an eye out for McCain… I do not discredit the rumors that have gone through AZ over and over again that there was an agreement for McCain to rollover for BushCo in 2004->> present that Cheney will resign for health reasons and McCain will be appointed to replace him and then be in the slot for 08…
DO NOT take your eye off that man… I live in AZ and DO NOT trust him AT ALL.
Watch how fast Joe get’s knocked to the curb after the 2008 elections and the Democrats win more seats. And after he alienates the Repugs by ignoring them to feed his power addiction, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Repugs recruit a solid candidate to run against him. Perhaps the current govenor, she’s won 2 state wide elections now.
Anyone seen bdu?
Your 6 and 31 is lookin’ mighty good.
No one had 6 and 30. blue e was in for 6 and 29, I had 6 and 28 [as was copycat ET]
Ofg was in for ? and 32, and shooogarp may yet win the pony with 6 and 33, if a couple of tied races would happen to tip our way.
If all contested outcomes keep their current margins, it’s bdu.
I’m with rw -
McCain is not only never gonna be President, I’d wager some fun money he’s not gonna even get the nomination (there’s way too much info on him out there and waaay too many means by which it is disseminated)
oh think about that one doggies, all their shiny possible runs lay in tatters – Frist, Mitt, Macaca, ‘Cheeks’ (great one GrandmaJ !)
right now they have a slightly tainted Ghouliani and untainted Mike Huckabee – somewhere Chuck Hagel is smiling . . .
mui @ 74
Pach – What Mui said. It’s good to see a rational analysis of the results.
Al Qaeda crows over Rumsfeld
Morning everyone!
Had a hard time waking up this morning, but nightmares are no longer a problem in this household ;->
Christy. I see you apparently slept well. MARVELOUS, uplifting post. Couldn’t stop laughing, and our cats wonder if I’ve lost my mind – again.
I’m still glowing from Tues. I suspect we ALL will for a long time. Lots of serious work to do but, DANG! HOORAH!!!
oh, a little dratty thing, Christy. That pesky little “it’s” sneaked back again – 3rd line from the bottom at my end of the toobes.
Good tequilla eh?!
“America can do much better than having an ineffective bully as it’s UN Ambassador.”
Hey this also works if you replace “UN Ambassador” with “President”. Neat, that.
Who really thinks Bush is anything more than a mean, petulant one trick pony? Anyone? I think we’re gonna see Bushie meltdown like no one has before! Woohoo!!
sorry, more OT -Israel official: Strike on Iran possible
How would McCain survive the primary? This is the first election where there will be lively competition in both the Dem and Republican primaries. There won’t be any “crossovers” in 08. The primary candidates are going to have to win their base.
Addition: Ok, not first election, but first in my lifetime.
Chafee was a good man regardless of his affiliation
btw rwcole
you big silly, according to Krackhead, Tuesday was “only a minor earthquake”*g*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01775.html
why do I get the feeling that since Wednesday morning so many of them are merely holding their place in the breadline ?
UN Ambassador Lieberman?
Evangelical Haggard Claims He Was Molested By Republican Congressman ;)
McCain and Lieberman should pull a Thelma and Louise and go off the cliff together. Alone they are dangerous, and together they are evil. The majority of the public caught on to Bush after years of not getting him but still haven’t caught on to the menace of McCain and Lieberman. Both are totally without a shred of principle or honor.
Liarman reminds me of a local pol in these parts who decided it’d be in his best interests, after a lifetime as a Dem., to switch parties when that gang-of-thieves stormed the gates in ‘00.
Whoopsie & boo hoo to both of ‘em! ;-( *g*
Wonder how they’re doin’ this special week, heh heh.
Hey Chaffee, our tent is big enough. Come on over.
twolf1 @ 90
Nice.
At Arianna’s place, right above Sirota’s article about the Lamont race, is an article by a man named Drobny called “The Truth about Rahn Emanuel.” Short summary – he does not like Rahm, he does not trust Rahm.
Ahhhhh! Thanks. I needed that. Now I’m gonna be singing it all day in my head. Tequila!
Pat_AlexVA @
93
YES! We know someone who probably voted agnst Chaffee with tears in her eyes, only because she realized how important it was to do so but, as she said, “It just isn’t fair! He’s different. I like him.”
BTW – My wife mentioned to me that she can’t wait to watch the next State of the Union (albeit with mute on). She said, whenever the President speaks, behind him there are old white men.
Now, there’s going to be Pelosi also. Pelosi will be the story for the State of the Union.
cbl @ 88
Krauthammer can use HoJoe as “proof” in his “pudding” if it makes him feel better, but he is seriously deluded if he actually believes what he writes.
I do not believe that McCain is going to be nominated for anything that would open up his seat in the Senate. Arizona’s governor is the wonderful Janet Napolitano, Democrat, and she would appoint a Democrat to the seat.
Far more likely would be that Lieberman would be appointed to VP, thus turning his Senate seat Republican for real.
Also at Arianna’s place is an article (further down and on the right I believe) is an article that they are going to be shutting down the Jesus Camp because of the… ah hem… trouble with Haggard. Too dangerous they say right now. Yeah, dangerous to the children, they got that part right.
OT – on one of these next late night parties, maybe someone could teach me to link. I have tried it several times and achieved success one out of 10 times. The rest I mess up the borders.
Hey everybody, what’s shakin this morning?
GrandmaJ @ 102
me too, folks. – what Grandma said…
Fox News: Election Results Show ‘Conservative USA’
windje @ 19
Hello, Senators Snowe and Collins . . . . .
Which one of you wants to be the one who helps Maine gets its share of the (albeit likely to shrink) federal pie?
First one to jump gets the best committee choice.
And you’ll just love the high times and laughter in the Democratic caucus. So much more fun than those stuffy Republitards.
JF @ 89
Bite your tongue.
beth meacham @ 99
My bet is that Gov Janet will run for McCain’s seat when her term of Gov is over.
I wonder how many Gop house and senate members are thinking of crossing over, and what their price is?
egregious @ 79
I lost, but I was close :) It is all still so exciting. I rooting for bdu!
GrandmaJ @ 102
Be sure to put something, even a couple of words, after the link.
And most important: preview.
After you post, click on your link to see if it works. If not you have 5 minutes to edit. Good luck!
What Prof. Foland cited:
Gandalf on Lieberman:
Here’s our next chapter in this saga, call it the Lieberman project:
1. Keep an eye on him goes without saying.
2. Keep active the fundraising mechanism to support a blue candidate to replace any Rethug Senator who gets indicted.
3. Keep an eye on Toobz Stephens and his attempt to kill net neutrality.
The Rethugs chose to leave important issues for the lame duck session. Now they can live with the Dems telling them “no go.”
Now to join the LTE call to action in our local newspaper this morning and contact the station that carries Limburger and tell ‘em he’s got to go. We’ve had enough of Rethug Infomercial Radio. Carrying water for the WH = lying!!!!
Dean says no impeachment of Bush. Pelosi has said no impeachment. Now, Conyers say no impeachment. Why?
cccccegregious @ 107
If he doesn’t win that position, he will start his own UN.
How much of the Bolton stupidity is Bush? As the WaPo article said, IAPAC is still pushing hard for Bolton. It will be interesting to hear what Lieberman,Hillary, and Schumer have to say.
Prof @ 106
If I’m Harry Reid, I’m ostentatiously inviting Snowe, Specter, Warner, and Graham over for long chats over coffee. And then Collins, to whom I’d actually make a pitch (”Shame about Linc, wasn’t it? Don’t you think you could serve the people of your state better as a member of the majority? Even Ben Nelson is under our tent.”) You really only get to make the pitch to one of them, and it has to be the last one–because once you’ve made a pitch, the others will refuse to meet with you. But once the Collins staffers spread the word, people will make assumptions about what was pitched in the others. You’ll cause a food fight among the Republican caucus if nothing else.
Collins is the only one I think might actually do it. Snowe was elected as a Republican three days ago, I think it would be very difficult for her to switch so soon, before the organizing resolutions get passed.
Curious in Central Texas @ 113
Because it sucks all the oxygen out of politics. We have to get out of Iraq and clean up the government. If impeachment happens to come up during war profiteering hearings, ok, but it can’t be the #1 priority.
katymine @ 75
my prediction
cheney resigns for “health reasons”, bush pre pardons him, gives the vice to mccain
bush has a “heart murmur” riding his bike, resigns mccain pre pardons him, gives the vice presidency to liarman
GrandmaJ and Adie,
all that hit or miss linking nonsense went away the second I switched over to Firefox :}
Agreed with Prof Foland at 36 – the reason Chafee had to be defeated was because of his Republican affiliation. He’s been on the
rightcorrect side (opposing) tyranny of Emperor George several notable times in the past few years.Good to see he’s still voting his conscience.
By the way, have any of the CT people heard if there’s going to be election reform on the sore losers front?
bush and company may have pardons waiting for them but we have to keep investigating if only to tarnish the bush name to prevent Jeb from running!
egregious @ 117
It doesn’t have to be #1 or #2 priority, but it seems like it doesn’t need to be removed from the table of options.
WaPo on George Macaca Allen:
After 2 Decades in Ascent, A Stunning Breakdown
Our parents, or grandparents, inherited a phrase from their grandparents, “As Maine goes, so goes the nation.” It had to do originally with both the fact that Maine held its general elections in September instead of November and had a demographic that resulted (starting in 1888) with the national elections mirroring the earlier results in Maine.
Now, listen up, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe. (Or, as we used to sing, “Come senators, congressmen. Please heed the call. Don’t stand in the doorway. Don’t block up the hall.”)
‘Cause the times, they are a-changing.
As the nation goes, so should Maine go.
Come on in. The water’s fine.
And I guarantee you that Democrats are a whole lot more fun in the hot tub than Republicans.
Change your Party, and let’s party!
Curious in Central Texas @ 113
I’d rather see the war get addressed, along with healthcare and global warming/energy independence. I want long-term solutions to major issues that will impact the future. Believe me I would love to see him impeached, I just believe there are bigger issues to be addressed.
Also, in the game of politics, impeachment will give the Repugs a rally call to regroup. If the Democrats focus on hearing and exposing the corruption and start providing solutions that all Americans can see, there is no way that can be spun as political retribution. It will further weaken the Repugs in the long term.
me to me @ 118
Now you guys and beth meacham have me thinking. Will McCain take a gamble on Janet appointing a Democrat to his seat in order to increase his chance to be President? And who would Janet appoint if she doesn’t want to blow her chance to be Senator?
Curious in Central Texas @ 113
leverage…. lots and lots of leverage on Bush… he doesn’t behave or cooperate? then “no impeachment” is completely off the table…
and I don’t think liarman is going anywhere… he really wants to be “Senator”…
I want justice and for some of Bush Co.’s harm to be undone. I don’t want Bush to get a free ride.
Curious in Central Texas @ 128
I couldn’t agree more. Let the hearing play out and see what they expose. Who knows, there could be something that could seriously nail his ass. Have faith, karma plays no favorites.
Professor Foland @ 116
Agreed, except for the “ostentatiously” part. Just wander down to Specter’s office, carrying a paper bag.
Nothing too ostentatious. Nothing inside the bag. Just ask him how he’d like to work together.
Call up John Warner and said, “Wow, that Rumsfeld thing was a long time coming, wasn’t it. Waddya think about Gates this time around?”
Invite Lindsey Graham for tennis.
Nothing ostentatious.
Then send roses to both Snowe and Collins, followed by dinner with Collins.
I trust Pelosi and Conyers – I’d say, “wait and see” – I’m sure they have their reasons… and it’s all behind the curtain
Once the hearings start the American people will rise up and demand impeachment. It happened with Nixon. Bush is worse.
What these Democrats should be saying is “We’re going to hold investigations. If there’s no impeachable offenses then there’s nothing to worry about.” Horse before the cart.
Millineryman @ 6
Without the comedy.
If Cheney resigns, his replacement has to be confirmed by both the House and Senate. There are many ambitious Republican Senators, and Senator allies of other ambitious Republicans, who want to run for President. They wouldn’t want to give McCain (or anyone else) a leg up by confirming him as a VP replacement for Cheney. And Dems, who have the majority in both Houses, also have no interest in giving a powerful opponent the VP post. (Deferential Senatorial decorum could be maintained by having the House reject McCain.) If Cheney goes, his replacement will be someone nobody sees as a potential presidential threat.
For this reason, Cheney won’t resign; and if he does, his replacement will be someone you’ve never heard of with about half of Cheney’s charisma.
Oh and Prof–it’s important to be ostentatious about it. Everyone in town needs to know you’re having the meetings. The KGB used to pick out a few CIA agents they had detected, and fire up their transmitters every time they came nearby. They were trying to make the “chatter-watchers” see that pattern and assume that those agents were double-agents receiving KGB instructions.
new thread, open FITZ!
EvilDrPuma @ 133
HA!, I almost added that. I deleted it before I hit sibmit.
New thread.
I already pounced.
Curious at 113 — because you don’t prejudge the evidence before you go into something that important. You start from a firm foundation of fact-finding and if, say. the public sees through hearings that there is a serious problem, the Dems and the GOP as well, will be reluctantly dragged toward impeachment in an organic, step-by-step process. Which is exactly the right way to approach something like that — and why the GOP’s prejuedged treatment of Clinton still looks so sleazy by comparison.
You do something like that the right way for the ethical, above-board reasons. You do not impeach a President for political partisanship and revenge. That’s just petty and wrong. But if the facts and evidence lead you there? Well, that’s an impeachment of a different color…and why it was so important to get Dems in charge of the committees that desperately need to dig in and do investigations on a whole host of issues that need some serious oversight.
HeirofPatriots @ 132
The hearings/investigations will go on, and on, and on, and on. (Six years of make up)
If they expose the right stuff, nothing is off the table.
Multiple venues, both the House and Senate.
Jerry Lewis, John Doolittle, and the rest of the brownshirts.
Death by a thousand cuts. Better than one shot which may not be fatal. Lastly, Cheney has to go first.
Be careful what you wish for . . .
Morning all, and thanks, CHS, for the PeeWee link.
Oh wouldn’t it be sweet to woo Collins and Snowe to do the Jeffords thing. With more than a one-vote margin, Reid would finally be free to punish Holy Joe properly. And then we’d see precisely what stuff Reid is made of.
ccmask @ 61
I think the time when Bush could have firmed up his base has passed. Fortunately, the idiot wasn’t paying attention.
History will be the judge of Bush. He’ll go down as worst President ever.
Investigate and perform oversight responsibilities. Go where the documents lead you. Use the power of the purse.
Change the course in Iraq. Plug the medicare donut hole. Pass a healthcare bill that covers all children. Pass stem cell research.
Work on the people’s business.
Impeachment oh yes, war crimes, oh yes. I am so sick of coddleing the Repulicans or Democrats, who ever is involved. Let’s clear the air for once and for all, perhaps those in power will then learn, you can’t do these things, and only then, We The People will be Happy. The rest of the World would admire us as well.
egregious @ 117
Two more words: Dick Cheney. While theoretically we could impeach him as well, it would be logistically very difficult. They would each have to have separate hearings, trials, etc. and what if Bush were actually removed before Cheney? We’d have a very pissed off dying man with bad aim and nukes in the White House.
Professor Foland @ 134
mccain is the the next in line, he’s pretty much the only chance of reclaiming the republican constituents who have jumped ship.
if they want a ahot at o8, it will be mccain
I think they are calling for No Impeachment because the troops are very neady right now and why spend time on impeachment when we can just watch him implode.
The beauty of this election for me is that Jeb! will never stand a chance!
GrandmaJ @
59
Some guys never learn.
Millineryman @ 125
These are not mutually exclusive. In fact it is more effective to let necessary investigations expose the corruption and let the public demand and the laws dictate impeachment. It allows our representatives to remain above the fray until critical mass is reached.
off topic
i’m reading the interview in radar with hagarrd’s lover and came up to this;
Would you call him vanilla?
Well, for the most part, I would use the term vanilla. But I guess every once in a while you could throw some chocolate in.
somebody tell me hwat this vanilla and chocolate thing is alluding to please
HotFlash @ 32
Exactly zero.
I thought the vote would be much closer. I got the vote counts for my polling place and Leiberman was only about 100 votes ahead out of about 4,000 votes – and it was a predominantly Republican and Unaffiliated community.
Also the vote counts were extremely low in cities where they should have been much higher – particularly considering the GOTV effort.