
(Photo via Yahoo by AFP File/Paul J. Richards)
This is not my idea of bipartisanship and good faith negotiations:
But there is motivation for Democrats — and Mr. Bush intends to exploit that if he can.
“Their whole theme has been the do-nothing Congress,” Mr. Black, the Republican strategist, said. “Now, if they get in there and make themselves vulnerable to that charge, it hurts them in ’08. He knows that they have an incentive to get things done, and he’s going to take advantage of that.” (emphasis mine)
As an attempt to get out in front of the media narrative and brand George Bush as the man driving Congress, that's about as pitiful a statement as I have ever seen considering the very public repudiation that Bush and the GOP just received on Tuesday. It's just not as fun to play king when you lose your rubber stamps, is it, George?
As a threat that the Democrats can kiss any cooperation good-bye unless they do things Georgie's way? Well, Mr. Obstruction can think again on that one, too. Members of his own party are running awy from him, and the Republican in-fighting is heating up…with the blame squarely placed on the Bush doorstep by members of Congress.
And that kind of anger and disgust can be exploited by Democrats — Machiavellian machinations can run both ways, and Dems shouldn't be afraid to push the ego buttons for the Republicans in Congress if they need to do so. It's for the good of the country, after all, that problems get resolved rather than put in limbo by President My-Way-Or-Nothing's ego.
And how many members of the Administration and "core principles" (HA!) is Bushie willing to throw under the bus in a sacrifice to the gods of selfish personal reputation enhancement?
The omission of Mr. Cheney, the embodiment of the administration’s approach to national security, raised an intriguing question. As Mr. Bush grapples with the loss of his Republican majority in Congress, how far will he go to reinvent himself, and who — or what philosophies — is he willing to jettison along the way?
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has already been pushed out the door, and there were questions on Thursday about the future of Karl Rove, the political strategist whose divide-and-conquer tactics failed on Tuesday for the first time. Asked what role Mr. Rove would play now, Tony Snow, the White House press secretary, offered little insight.
“That’s a good process question,” Mr. Snow said, “for which I don’t have an answer.”
Answer: As many as it takes, apparently.
Of course in a negotiation, you are going to exploit the weaknesses of the other side and your strengths. But I have news for George Bush: no one considers a petulant, demanding craptastic attitude to be a strength, not even folks in your own party. And your recent admission that you are a liar doesn't help matters much.
Hey, I know, what if you try putting the needs of the American people ahead of your ego and your desire for a legacy that doesn't end in failure and your need to wedge a nasty political smear and fear campaign into every nook and cranny in Washington? Yeah, I'm not holding my breath on that one, either, George.
Meet Mr. Obstruction. Learning lessons is not his forte.
UPDATE: The NYTimes says that Bush started contemplating canning Rumsfeld last summer. Wonder what the GOP thinks about him holding off until after election — especially given how that could have changed the dynamic for a lot of Republicans running in heavily military districts…I think we haven't heard the last of this simmering bit of information. Not by a long shot.



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Romance Susan Collins, the next great Democratic Senator from Maine.
(And then Lieberman, go suck lemons.)
And Mr. Obstruction, your day will be coming.
FITZ!
something about seeing the repugs in chaos is very, very amusing
Happy veterans day prof! And all the other vets out there.
Prof–edited my last comment in the last thread to include a bit for you on the importance of ostentation.
Would anyone care to theorize why Missus Speaker and Dr. Dean so emphatically took impeachment off the table? (Inviting speculation.)
EPU’d, but now on topic (re: throwing Cheney under the bus)
If Cheney resigns, his replacement has to be confirmed by both the House and Senate. There are many ambitious Republican Senators, and Senator allies of other ambitious Republicans, who want to run for President. They wouldn’t want to give McCain (or anyone else) a leg up by confirming him as a VP replacement for Cheney. And Dems, who have the majority in both Houses, also have no interest in giving a powerful opponent the VP post. (Deferential Senatorial decorum could be maintained by having the House reject McCain.) If Cheney goes, his replacement will be someone nobody sees as a potential presidential threat.
For this reason, Cheney won’t resign; and if he does, his replacement will be someone you’ve never heard of with about half of Cheney’s charisma.
MarcLord at 7 — because they aren’t stupid and they know that you can’t prejudge information that hasn’t already been gathered via hearings. And because any impeachment proceeding has to occur organically from the evidence presented to the American public in order to have the support it needs to be sustained. By taking it off the table at the start, any proceedings that would occur would be an outgrowth of facts discovered in hearings with Dems and Repubs — which would make anything that is done far more solid and legitimate. Does that answer your question?
Building the firewall majority against a Lieberman defection or sudden death of a Democratic Senator.
Dear Senator Collins:
I have been reviewing your website lately and notice what a tiny number of bills you have been able to introduce and get passed as a member of the (former) Republican majority.
http://collins.senate.gov/publ…..N=42853690
There is the distinct possibility that other members of the Republican (former) majority just didn’t see things the way that folks in Maine see them. But regardless, the Republican Party in the Senate is now the former majority.
I know that you have a number of causes that are important to you and the people of the great State of Maine.
If you’d like to chat about how best to advance your agenda, I’d love to have dinner with you and talk things over.
All the best,
Harry
EPU’d–
egregious @ 117
Curious in Central Texas @ 113
Dean says no impeachment of Bush. Pelosi has said no impeachment. Now, Conyers say no impeachment. Why?
Because it sucks all the oxygen out of politics. We have to get out of Iraq and clean up the government. If impeachment happens to come up during war profiteering hearings, ok, but it can’t be the #1 priority.
Two more words: Dick Cheney. While theoretically we could impeach him as well, it would be logistically very difficult. They would each have to have separate hearings, trials, etc. and what if Bush were actually removed before Cheney? We’d have a very pissed off dying man with bad aim and nukes in the White House.
Christy, one of your better efforts.
I can only dream of the day when articles like this appear on MSM sites.
Back to PeeWee’s Big Adventure.
Must… use… preview…
Half of Cheney’s charisma? Wow, I’d hate to be on that search commitee.
Professor Foland @ 8
Is that what you call that sneer thing?
this is great divide and conquer convince the last moderate republicans to switch sides and their will be nobody to pull the party to the center. The extreme right will claim that bush is not conservative enough, sure they will point to the national debt and the mismanagement of the Iraq war. As they hide their true postions, but as Rush said he is tired of carrying water for people who are afraid to be conservative. We want conservatives who talk like Rush so we can take the middle. All we need to do is provide good government!
“Curious at 113 — because you don’t prejudge the evidence before you go into something that important. You start from a firm foundation of fact-finding and if, say. the public sees through hearings that there is a serious problem, the Dems and the GOP as well, will be reluctantly dragged toward impeachment in an organic, step-by-step process. Which is exactly the right way to approach something like that — and why the GOP’s prejuedged treatment of Clinton still looks so sleazy by comparison.
You do something like that the right way for the ethical, above-board reasons. You do not impeach a President for political partisanship and revenge. That’s just petty and wrong. But if the facts and evidence lead you there? Well, that’s an impeachment of a different color…and why it was so important to get Dems in charge of the committees that desperately need to dig in and do investigations on a whole host of issues that need some serious oversight.”
Christy -
It’s a true joy & treasure to watch your mind at work! I am sooooooo looking forward to C-Span & hearings/investigations with enough grist to go on ’til the proverbial cows come home. Transparency & sunlight will be such a welcome change.
Here we go again. When will this idiotic Democratic bunch understand that in Bush- Karl Rove strategy there is no such thing as Bipartisian. It is only politics and double speak. There will be politicaly correct talk but they will stab democrats at every possible oportunity. Democrats were sent to hold these thugs responsible for what they have done to this country but unfortunately they will end up being sentimental, stupid and cowardly. Congressman Hoyer’s policies are same as George Bush. Only Murtha as majority leader can take on this White house. Democrats will listen to the Washington Punditocracy and in most instances will become enablers and co collaborators for the crimes of this adminstration.
DO NOT EXPECT ANY THING FROM THIS BRAIN DEAD DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP WHICH IS ACTUALLY ALSO OWNED BY NEOCONS.
MarcLord @ 7
Speak softly, carry a big stick and expose the soft white Republican underbelly (a vision of Denny Hastert immediately exits the brain) to the unrelenting sunshine it most certainly deserves.
.. .. ..or to use a phrase Bush would understand, “when you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.”
Transparency and accountability. Multiple investigations and oversight hearings. (Six year backlog.) Death by a thousand cuts.
Better to say impeachment is . . . ‘under the table.’
Holding both Houses, the ball is in the D’s court. Serve up some hot legislation aimed at the very center (see Pelosi’s 100 hours) to get the ball rolling, then slowly but surely start hitting the ball into the corners and down the line. Force Bush’s hand: either sign bills good for all of America, not just his rich contributors, or use his veto and further weaken his party. Petulant George is not going to enjoy these next 2 years!
The election is over but the fighting, yes it will be fighting, isn’t. Bush and republicans, aided by the likes of CNN, will be doing their best to return to power in 2008. Media propaganda has to be monitored and slapped down the instant it appears. Sites like mediamatters and dailyhowler will be more important than ever in this battle.
MarcLord @ 7
Perhaps because, while the new House could pass articles of impeachment, there is no guarantee of conviction in the Senate. The Democrats don’t have a two-thirds majority, and certain parties not to be named (i.e., Lieberman) are likely to jump ship.
Bush has been castrated. He just hasn’t noticed he’s singing soprano yet. His day will come, but it may not come while he’s still in office. Peace.
“work together!”- What a crock. It didn’t take an hour for the great obstructionist to show just how much of a liar he is- Within 1 hour of the end of the “great get together” with Ms Pelosi, the obstructionist resubmitted that piece of garbage- bolton, for confirmation by the senate!
Yup- that is working together! We can’t believe one single word that that LIAR says, and never never believe for one second that he has changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Raven @ 5
Thanks for remembering, Rayne.
I just love a parade. But the ballad of my branch of service was not, uh, the kind of thing that marching bands are likely to play.
We had a shoulder patch showing the yellow talons of an eagle (with black feathers), grasping the white lightning (no, not that white lightning) of enemy communications, against a blue background.
We sang our song to the tune of “The Ballad of the Green Berets.”
Black is for the night we fear
Blue is for the water we don’t go near
White is for the flag we fly
Yellow is the reason why.
It’s a long story.
Don’t tell ‘em you are gonna throw deep. Just play nice and keep the high ground and let the facts dictate our actions.
Professor Foland @ 6
don’t see it. Can you repeat here?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
Christy, I also agree with your point in the header, that Bush isn’t where Republicans wan’t to run toward. Bush in office makes republicans on the Hill have to choose between siding with Dems or Bush, either option is bad for them.
Investigate and have hearings that will completly neuter Bush, and let him sit there in the spotlight till 08′ as a useless reminder of what has happenned.
WOW! Check this out, Fox tanked! It’s only one day, but…
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
After every Democratic victory, the Dems sue for peace, and the Republicans and the media demand that they unconditionally surrender. Please, Democrats, not this time!!!
Only one thing to say to this.
Sign(the bill) Or Be Prosecuted!
billjpa @ 22
But, honestly, did you believe him for one second? Bush doesn’t get “working together.” He’s never been forced to do it. In the next two years, he will either learn how, or (far more likely!) he will be consigned to the political death of a thousand cuts.
Bush is toast. He’s just trying to make himself believe he can survive the heat.
The GOP is in trouble. By controlling the agenda, we get to pass popular legislation that the public wants, but part of GOP does not.
The GOP now gets on the record for voting against all sorts of popular bills. Bush can take out his veto pen.
It all gets interesting now.
The 2006 Election not only took the lead out of Bush’s pencil, but it dried up his inkpad!!
(quote slightly edited to make more sense here to others here out of the stream of comments)
I didn’t know about your being in the service (Thank You!) but from your description above it sounds like you’d know a lot more about the technique than I…I’m sure you never fell for this trick yourself ;)
ASA first, women and children next!
http://www.asakorea.org/
href=”#comment-377269″>Prof @ 23
Bush is a man that can not grow up without some adult guidance. He will have to be shown how to grow up, by someone who knows something about parenting, and showing spoiled immature brats that they can’t have their way all the time. Someone like, well, maybe, NANCY PELOSI! Hahaha.
This is all an example of the deeply sick concept of power that’s now accepted as “normal” in Congress. It’s all about domination and submission, and not the lighthearted consensual kind.
“Bipartisanship” means, as others have pointed out, that the Democrats rubber-stamp whatever King George wants instead of the Republicans doing it. After all these years of sneering GOP triumphalism, many in Congress – and all in the executive branch – genuinely have no other idea of how power works. There’s the man with the whip, and there’s the victim, and that’s that.
One of the most important things the new congress can do is show that’s not how government works. Sounds like even the lame ducks might be starting that up.
Hayduke: I hope you read the “Nanny” diary at Ko’s yesterday. Highly recommended.
BBL- meeting. L8tr.
gotta go, lovin’ me some doggies
enjoy the day !
Bush and Cheney are over. Cheney will resign before January (”for health reasons”). He is too much of a coward and narcissist to stand up to the inevitable investigations. Bush will put McCain in to replace him, then resign himself with a big fat pardon from McCain. This has been in the works for awhile, I think. McCain will be running as the incumbent in ‘08. People right now should be going after McCain and Giulianni, because they are the only Republicans that can distance themselves enough from Bush to win in ‘08.
I hope Democrats are less likely now to let themselves be confused by Republican advice. The country has spoken, and it’s waiting patiently for Congress to prove that it has paid attention.
It should be fairly simple for Democrats to discuss these issues among themselves and determine which they can afford to postpone until their majorities are installed in the House and the Senate. It would be nice to have some money to run the government, but who needs to hurry to install a carbuncle like Bolton on the face we present to the world?
George W. Bush’s legislative agenda is already dead. If he and his friends want to continue CPR or carry it off for cryopreservation, let them go ahead and do so. But why would Democrats want to construct a Frankensteinian duplicate? It would walk funny, it wouldn’t talk right, and at some point we would have to destroy it.
Waccamaw @
16
This, of course, makes a great deal of sense morally and practically. But why aren’t *they* saying it?
ccmask @ 38
No, I didn’t got a link? Thanks, sounds right up my alley.
Jr. is in SUCH a frump this week! I mean, gee whiskers, it’s only an election.
There’s gotta be a way daddy’s friends can fix this. Oh…. wait…. hm-m-m-m
rummyunderthebus
boltonpffft
continued Bakercommission rumblings
deadeyeprettyglum
But the lil’ kid’s still pouting & threatening to hold his breath till….
TILL WHAT, GEORGIE????!
Has the little brat been told to go to his room & let the grownups clean up his latest mess, yet AGAIN?!
Are my antennae in a tangle again? or …..
How’s that illustrious “career” goin’ for ya these days, jr.??? wow. that’s gotta hurt.
should some kind, nonpartisan soul lock up the pretzels? I’m busy and, happily, partisan *g*
Professor Foland @ 34
Traffic analysis.
Can’t talk.
You will be visited for noticing. Sweet dreams.
unclemike @
20
And getting this voting stuff fixed. Now. I think that Karl Rove did not expect quite so much of a wave (’no one could have anticipated…’) and didn’t set the vote-adjusting increment high enough in a few races, eg, FL and CO. I think he overcompensated in CT but my tinfoil hat is picking up a lot of static just now. 2008 will be too late. Hello Jeb?
OT – I love that photo of Tester with the tractor on Kos. Part of what won this election was “authentic” candidates. Lamont surely was one of those also.
My favorite ad of the whole cycle was kids talking about Lamont as their teacher.
Prof @ 46
But seriously, why is that important in the romancing of Ms. Collins?
You want more than one?
Has everyone noticed that Republicans, who to this day blame everything that has gone on under Bush on Clinton, expressing sympathy for the poor helpless Dubya for having inherited all of his problems, are already insisting that anything that goes down from hereonout is the responsiblity of the Democrats and that’s the price they’ll pay for having regained a Congressional majority?
HotFlash @ 43
I was quoting Christy from the previous thread & having a bit of trouble doing it the proper way (the first two graphs are hers).
rat bastahd @
19
This is exactly what I believe also. We must show that the grownups are in charge and are willing to work for the American peopele. Get that low hanging fruit passed before the other side gets their game together, if they do.
Also, for the last twelve years there has been no bipartisanship. We need to start learning to work together somehow and this is a good way. Yes I know that there will be some who will NEVER work together but this is a way to reach out to those who do.
We really need to take the high road on this.
hmm? a lost war and a bad economy hitler blamed the jews and rode into power on that. But the GOP will be the ones who get blamed for this losing a war, the bad economy, Katrina etc. bush can EITHER WORK WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND FIX THINGS, or he could create a situation where an extreme left hitler equalivent comes to power! karl likes history he knows that the after effects of WW1 put the commies in power in Russia same as the nazis in Germany. Stay the course on the war and domestic issues will only push the American people even further to the left. Further even than we may want.
HotFlash at 43 — because they don’t need to say it. Actions speak much louder than words in this instance. And it is politically shrewd not to say it. You guys need to work on trusting the Dem leadership a little more. Six years of being paranoid and angry with Bush is going to take a while to sluff off, I understand, but none of us are served by everyone jumping up and down and screaming all the time at our own side. Let’s all try to take a deep breath and let them get their bearings. If there is a need for screaming, we’ll do it — but let’s not just scream for the sake of making noise. That’s incredibly counter-productive and it wastes valuable energy that needs to be applied elsewhere at the moment. Let’s be smart, not just loud.
Bingo! The Dems want to run against the sitting lame duck Dubya in ‘08.
If there’s any justice, Bush will face criminal charges once he’s left office.
Then go visit the George W. Bush Presidential Library — in Paraguay.
MarcLord @
7
Because it confuses the enemy. Because there are more important things to get done, that could not be done if the ‘Pubs were circling the wagons against an Impeachment investigation. Because there are only two years left, and that’s not enough time to mount an impeachment and trial. Because it would be spun as revenge for Clinton. Because there are so many horrors to be revealed in the investigations of fraud in Iraq that the ‘Pubs will be suggesting Impeachment proceedings in a year.
Pat_AlexVA @
32
Not only that but the GOP is denied giving Talibornagain red meat bills like the DMA or flag burning amendments. Republicans can no longer use the congress for one big political ad. I think this is one of the overlooked benefits of this election.
You mean like us noting all the clowns from Nixon’s White House that are still in charge?
Danbury @ 50
steve ex-expat @ 41
With Mehlman? Rudy thinks that is distance?
lisadawn82 @ 52
I can’t wait for the tax adjustment. You know, the one that lowers taxes for the middle class, but ups the rates of the top heavy.
Danbury @ 50
“The world is always full of the sound of waves.”
–Yoshikawa Eiji, Musashi
I’m reading the interview in radar with haggeard’s prostitute and there is this dialogue
sorry to be so naive, but what is “vanilla or choclolate” in this context?
Oh MAN this is a fun thread!
We’ve been waiting for soooo long to get to do this.
Go team!
Pat_AlexVA @ 60 – Me neither. I could really use a few extra bucks.
Christy @9, and all respondents,
Thank you, that was both entertaining and informative.
I’m weak on the evidentiary processes of Congressional hearings. I’m more comfortable in the horse-trading area, so my ears perked up at the carefully emphatic language. Seems to me the new Caucus has calculated it’s better to let the failures dangle in the wind (low risk) than go for a knockout (very high risk), and they’re willing to make the decision explicit.
This allows them to try and split the enraged Pugs from the enraged Moderates on the other side of the aisle and get some legislation through, and this appears to be their primary interest. If they succeed, they can then point to progressive action and give themselves a better case for the Presidency.
As the Hill article states, there is a powerful level of GOP anger against Bush right now. Given the make-up of the various committees, careful Democratic thought had already been given to aligning the right people to the right committees for a legislative agenda which is quite aggressive, given the times.
Prof @ 49
Actually, mainly because I don’t think we’ll get any. So get out of it the little that you can: insert a little bit of nervousness and paranoia on their side going into the organizing resolution discussions.
It’s actually not going to be easy for them to offer much to Joe, because they’d have to step on someone’s seniority to offer him a chair. Every little bit one can do to make the internal GOP negotiations more complicated is worth doing.
Not saying it will do a lot, just saying might as well try to get out of it what you can.
But I think we agree Collins is the best actual target to get to 52.
Raven @
5
Arirang
That has got to be the best national song ever, anywhere.
Lots of interesting things for ‘08 happened in this election, Bush Castrati being the best.
But some of the longstanding ugliness of America showed up too, I think, in the defeats of Steele and Ford. Obama must be thinking about that….
Christy Hardin Smith @ 54
Good points Christy! I bolded the last part because I am wondering as to exactly where I should be putting my energies today? We do’t yet have our Dem Congress in place so everything is hypothesis at this point. What should we progressive netsroots people be doing between now and late Jan.?
At Carol Voisin’s end-of-campaign dinner, Tom Mathieson and I talked about starting a blog for OR-02 to keep a spotlight on Walden’s voting record. (Here we are: pic on front page http://www.voisinforcongress.com )
It actually feels really good to just step back and…BREATHE!
One more thing… Katrina. What are we going to do down in the gulf? What are we going to do now? What will be done to ensure the Government performs better in the event of a disaster (besides electing Democrats).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 54
Well put. I have confidence that they are working the political chess game. Pelosi and Dean shouldn’t be calling for immediate impeachment (no matter how satisfying that would be to us). There needs to be investigations and let the public SEE what they’ve found. That’s the route to go. takes time but real justice does. We don’t need some Ken Starr style grandstanding.
The media never gave a hoot that there was no democratic “bipartisanship” during the Republicans’ reign.
Lieberman and McCain are scheduled to appear on Rusted’s propaganda program Sunday. Not a newly elected Democrat in sight it seems.
It would also be helpful to start banging on the “Democrats inherited a shitty economy meme.”
You know they’re going to blame our attempts to reduce the deficit for any slowing in the economy. In fact, lets reframe the “democrats are going to raise your taxes” meme to the “democrats are going to reduce your deficit”.
The first estimate of Q3 GDP growth is a dismal 1.6%, sharply lower than the 5.6% of Q1 and the 2.6% of Q2.
perris @
62
I’ll take a Wild Ass Guess (nyuck nyuck):
Vanilla: Fornication and Fellatio.
Chocolate: Bondage/Discipline/Sado-Masochism.
Maybe Ted liked a li’l spankypoo with his meth fueled man-sex.
lisadawn82 @ 52
You two have it right. Dems have to make it obvious that Bush is the obstruction and not the Dems.
Reminds me of why I lurked for so long – other people here having the same idea I did, and stating it better. Then one day nobody said what I was thinking and I just had to comment!
Lieberman: Call me a Democrat
WASHINGTON – Sen. Joe Lieberman, who won re-election as an independent, has a message for his Senate colleagues in the next Congress: Call me a Democrat
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cut_senate
OT, but as predicted:
What a piece of human crap.
Sorry, Coz–I’m using IE and a couldn’t get a comment edited if I tried. It’s worth posting twice, anyway. Yeah, Joe, let’s forget what a traitor you’ve been.
Susan G has a nice thread on Daily Kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../112111/08
“We’re all conservatives now”.
T-says a deficit is a tax, a future tax by paying off the deficit now we cut taxes in the future by saving money on the interest payments on the current bush debt. We need some numbers on this Your right we need to start banging out this story.
HotFlash @ 47
!YES! !YES! !YES!
Listening to MSNBC right now & the spin is disgusting!
!PULEEEZE! !ASAP!
EvilDrPuma @ 78
I wonder what all the Republicans that voted for him think about that! LOL
EvilDrPuma @ 77
The key word from Dangerstein is ‘begin’. But in the end Joe is predictable, he will be what is best for him, not his constituents.
Prof@10..talks about wooing Sen Collins. If there is going to be a change, it will most likely be in my former home of Wyoming. My thoughts are with Sen Thomas and his family, it’s likely to be a tough go.
Well, we know the blogs have an influence now. I don’t know if the tradmed will continue to read, so we should also be focusing on OUR strategy–how to keep some attention to the REAL thinkers in our country–the smart people heading our team in the blogosphere.
Step up for FDL and the rest!! Our TEAM. We gotta keep throwing the fast ball out there.
1970cs @ 83
From what I’ve seen, Lieberman is a narcissist: he will do whatever keeps him at the center of attention. Going GOP would not do that; he’d just be one more vote in a tie that Cheney would break, and Cheney would get the attention. Therefore, by his nature, Lieberman will of course go Dem.
And then he’ll stab the Dems in the back, over and over again, just like he has been doing. And by doing so, keep his name in the news.
We didn’t come this far to allow Bush and his thugs to continue to thwart the intent of the Constitution. If it’s a fight these unsavory little fascists want, then bring it on Georgie boy. I relish the thought.
When are American politics ever going to be run by adults? Even Democrats can’t be completely adult when the GOP is playing the 4th grade game. All I hear now is “strategies to WIN!” Never what is good for the country.
Almost an entire party of children, always looking at strategies. If only the STRATEGY would be to make America great.
Look at the Republicans in the House and Senate (to say nothing of those who vote for them), and even more, Bush, Cheney, and Rove: I have never seen a group SO in need of a psychiatrist’s couch.
Britney replaces Federline for Rumsfeld, K-Fed for D-Feld
Cozumel @ 82
Lieberman has been playing Dem while voting with the GOP–or just not showing up to vote!–on everything of importance for the last six years. I interpret Dangerstein’s email to mean that he will continue to do so.
Why raise taxes we could just make fines proportionate to income Bill Gates gets a speeding ticket for example he pays the same in proportion to his income as a fine as a full time minium wage worker pays currently. I wonder how much we could raise if this idea were applied across the entire criminal and civial court system?
Steve @ 84
NM got Halliburton Heather when our last (R) Congressman, Steve Schiff, died from squamus cell cancer. He was a decent human, unlike Heather who is really a fraud. A smart fraud, but a fraud we seem not able to dislodge.
Still counting the votes here, but HH announced her victory last night. Madrid not conceding.
Sally @ 72
Send Russert questions. If he could solicit questions this morning on eye-muss, surely he’d welcome them from firedogs.
tuneforg @ 91
If we removed the cap on Social Security taxes so that the wealthy pay on all income, Social Security would be solvent virtually forever, and it might well be possible to increase benefits.
If we remove Bush’s regressive income tax “cuts” in favor of a genuinely progressive scale, we take the burden off the middle class and put it where it can be afforded.
So I say, let’s do those things.
tuneforg @ 91
I think we should make it CLEAR there WON’T be taxes raised, the middle class money that was given to wealthy people and corporations will be tretreaved
that’s the only way to frame the reconsruction of the middle class
EvilDrPuma at 94 we need hard numbers and we need the Dems to start paying attention to ideas like this!
Republicans are tax shifters…from the rich to the poor, from their corporate cronies to the middle class, from big oil…who we’re fighting this Iraq war for…to our children and grandchildren.
tuneforg @ 96
Thanks, but those are hardly original ideas from me!
Pat_AlexVA @ 79
Pat_AlexVA -
JUST getting ready to post this one & there you go! Wasn’t sure how to do link w/in link so you saved me from mucking it up ;-).
The bit about an angel getting its wings was choice.
I hope someone with a louder voice than mine will point out the irony in draft dodger bush’s planned trip to Hanoi about 35 years too late. Perhaps he will be joined by his war advisor Kissinger. Surely the Vietnamise would like to meet the man who persuaded Richard Nixon to stick it out and to carpet bomb the country.
robertlewis @ 100
“This is not a productive area of discussion.”
–Henry Kissinger’s Head, “Futurama”
Re: Sen Collins and Lieberman’s leverage:
In two years, the republicans are going to be defending many more vulnerable senate seats than the democrats and it is likely that we will pick up additional seats and increase our majority. That limits the amount of blackmail that Lieberman can exert over the next two years; after that, he won’t be needed to maintain the majority and he knows it.
“If the purpose of life is that we grow wiser, more open and receptive, more willing to step back and learn from mistakes, more willing to change, then there are three words that should come to mind for this president today: Mission not accomplished.”
- Patti Davis
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Shell sed:When are American politics ever going to be run by adults? Even Democrats can’t be completely adult when the GOP is playing the 4th grade game. All I hear now is “strategies to WIN!” Never what is good for the country.
For these arrogant mokes, it goes without saying that what THEY want is good for the country and what we want is ruinous. That’s been their whole schtick lo these many years.
As we have witnessed with our own eyes, they don’t believe in government, so they can’t govern.
We can and that’s what they are so afraid of. Once the people get a whiff of what the Dems are doing (even if we’re stymied by Mr. Obstruction), their dream of one party rule will be a nightmare, cuz the one party will be ….US .
Oh my. Please do not underestimate the Dems penchant for spinelessness. It is easy to foresee capitulation and accomodation on the part of the Dems in the face of pro-Rep media narratives, even in the face of victory. Fear of media criticism has cowed more than one Dem over the years, it’s not going to stop now.
sunny @ 105
Okay, then, you of the half-empty glass: what’s your solution?
Waccamaw @ 51
I know that’s Christy, although it’s not clear in my post (hope folks are paying attn). But my point is that we are doing some fine second-guessing here and nodding wisely about what a great strategy it is and it *is* great, as Christy and others here have so ably explained. Impeachment is vindictive, expensive, and requires a 2/3 majority. What they really mean is vigorous and thorough investigations. Got all that. But why are *we* having to explain it? *They* should be explaining it, if that is really what they really mean. Really.
Taking impeachment ‘off the table’ strikes me as an odd phrase. It doesn’t really mean anything in this context. Why aren’t they using regular English? Why are the three people who are most in a position to pursue impeachment giving this same slogan? It’s so non-informative I can only assume it’s code for something. OK, so they probably don’t think that the people they are likely to investigate will stop shredding documents, so it’s not trying to lull *them* into a false sense of security so they’ll leave incriminating memos around. So who is it meant for? The voters did not demand impeachment, so far as I can tell, but it’s pretty clear they’d like some investigations. Into ‘corruption’ — which includes but is not limited to K Street and Halliburton and oil and probably the back-room dealings to gut the Constitution and make an imperial presidency. And I don’t hear anyone saying they will investigate, only what they won’t do. I worry. I think I’m being not actually lied to, but being put in a spot where my own hope will mislead me.
Prairie Sunshine @ 97
mine, I just stole that;
“the republicans don’;t lower taxes, they never did, they shift taxes”
excellant
I’m looking forward, in a queasy sort of way, to the investigative reporting that is bound to pop up around investigations.
I want to find out just what they’ve been doing in secret, behind our backs, even when it doesn’t need to be secret.
Things like this: Students applying for a gov. scholarship can not get one if they are planning to study evolutionary biology. I’m sure you guys can come up with more. This one just is so illustrative of the stoopid stuff we have to sniff out and fix – thousands of them.
Professor Foland @
8
struggling with that Rockettes image…
punaise @ 111
The image I get is one from walking my dog – when that leg goes up, watch out!
Way OT but an interesting insight into WaPo’s business interests. Their more fair and balanced approach makes a little more sense.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/2867
The people getting billions in profits from our natural resources should be required to pay the royalties they owe. Maybe we should “socialize” a bit if they want to play greedy with the public’s resources.
Tax collectors should be part of government, not of the private sector, and they should be going after the big guys, not those poor enough to qualify for the earned income credit.
When Bush campaigned with his tax-talk, the Democrats had a lot of talk-back but weren’t effective in getting the truth out about taxes.
punaise @ 110
“My brain hurts!”
–Mr T F Gumby
Got a great email from the Laesch campaign requesting a return of yard signs from those who have them but also saying – hey guys, if you want to hang on a bit to see if we need to use them again fairly soon – that’s ok too *G* Don’t I wish, hope and pray.
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WaPo article, via Laura Rozen, on torture rendition of Abu Omar
For anyone not paying attention, despite the pro-torture, anti-law, anti-treaty/conventions, pro-whateverthePresidentsays bipartisanship of the US Congress on the MCA, other countries are currently and actively pursuing investigations and INDICTMENTS against Americans. Whether the filings in international court against Rumsfeld are pie in the sky or not, there are indictments out right now in Italy and the WaPo story is based on the turnover of evidence by the Italian prosecutor (I’m more a Spataro/Mora than a Fitz).
Read Ghost Plane. A great section on “the Italian Job”
First read Looming Tower though and get up to speed on the things that we KNOW and KNEW happen in the torture rooms. And for a synopsis of how well Mubarak’s torture has worked over the last couple of decades as a tool against terrorism.
Harry Reid has a lot to answer for. This explains why he didn’t call Lieberliar on his claims that he had been promised he would hold on to his seniority.
Harry – we won’t forget.
SamTheLurker @ 111
thanks, that helps. Did you catch the Henry Hyde rant?
Waccamaw @ 99
Regarding the link within a link… I didn’t do anything special, I just cut and pasted it in there. I got the link by clicking on the permalink on the post. I do use Firefox, so maybe that helps.
I gotta a question – for guys like Dumsfeld (and the rest who will leave before January), does Congress have any power to hold them accountable?
ya’ know like throw ‘em in jail or at least make them scrub toilets with a toothbrush for the next 10 years?
dab at 116 — Reid has already said that he never made any such representation. And that this would be a decision for the whole Dem caucus when they convene. Lieberman was lying. And I have that from mulitple sources, not just folks in Reid’s office.
Mary @ 115, this is what I’m hoping for since our country is not going to dip its toes in that water. I’m assuming we will honor extradition, at the very least.
dab @ 116
I know a lot of people here are pissed off at Bill Clinton and his apparent lack of visible support for Ned Lamont. But consider this, once Lieberman said he was going to run as an Independent, that was it, game over. The numbers were never there for us. Don’t blame Clinton, he saw it, the most savvy politician of our time.
And what if we’d run Lieberman out of the party completely? Then what? We’d be looking at a Republican majority in the Senate.
OldCoastie @ 119
I can’t imagine why resigning would make anybody immune to Congressional investigation.
EvilDrPuma @ 106
Simply this: Fierce, constant pressure to do the right thing. Threats of strong primary challenges if they do not perform as we elected them to do. Heaps of praise when they perform well. But most of all, as someone implied above, the Dems should be pressured to educate the masses as to just what the hell has happened here, and not leave it entirely up to the bloggers. This education can only occur if they hold the gd hearings and hold the gd neocons accountable for what they have done to us and the rest of the world.
Joe Coason gives props to Howard Dean:
Evildrpuma @106: My solution (I know I wasn’t asked :)) as a registered Indie is a letter to each and every Dem Committee Chairperson telling them I’d like to rejoin their party, but only if they take the helm and do what we voted them in to do. The election was only Step 1.
Step 2 is, as I posted above, putting good populist middle class legislation on W’s desk asap, ie 100 Hours, voting issues, economic issues, ethical issues. Undoing the Constitutional damage wrought by the Rubber Stampers. And transparently investigating the crap out of the corrupt Goopers, from Bush on down, or from Pombo on up!
I want positive progressive action, accountability and I want spine! Regular people who don’t pay attention to the nuances and small issues want to see “strength,” common sense, fairness, and transparency. Transmit that and the D’s will win bigger majorities and the Executive branch in 08, if they don’t they will allow the GOP to dictate the message and lose.
I think that some of the “biparisan” talk from the president is designed to tie in with and attempt to give cover to cooperation from Lieberman on different issues. It will be interesting to watch how that plays out.
sunny @ 124
Simply this: Fierce, constant pressure to do the right thing. Threats of strong primary challenges if they do not perform as we elected them to do. Heaps of praise when they perform well. But most of all, as someone implied above, the Dems should be pressured to educate the masses as to just what the hell has happened here, and not leave it entirely up to the bloggers. This education can only occur if they hold the gd hearings and hold the gd neocons accountable for what they have done to us and the rest of the world.
Let me know when you find something about that that differs from anybody else’s plan.
bg @ 85
Professor Foland @
8
Half of Cheney’s charisma? That’s mind boggling.
punaise @
117
I didn’t. I’m still catching up with lots of stuff this week.
beth meacham @ 56
Here’s the other way to look at it: Wingnuts have been talking for years about all the opposition to Bush being based on “irrational Bush hatred.” This was difficult to respond to, because many of us couldn’t honestly say we didn’t hate Bush, but the actual falsehood in it was that it got cause and effect backwards. It dismissed our opposition to Bush’s policies by claiming that we only opposed them because we hated Bush, when in fact the only reason we hated Bush was because of his appalling policies.
Impeachment is similar. If we say we’re looking at impeachment, they can make it look to a lot of people like impeachment a motivating factor, rather than a reasonable conclusion based on the actual misdeeds. I would have preferred they responded with “we’ll follow the investigations where they lead,” but I trust their political instincts that the only way to prevent it from being used against us was to deny any interest in it, and I don’t think that makes it impossible to pursue if the evidence demands it.
Mary at 115 this is an issue the Dems should hold hearings on at the very least we can send the head of the CIA to the Hauge, (we have to otherwise bush would pardon him). If we force bush to throw people overboard with no pardons then the wall of silence breaks!
“The California Democrat was dressed in a blue-gray pantsuit with a blouse in a similar but slightly deeper hue. She wore a necklace that was a complementary mix of colors. Nowhere on her person did there appear to be a flag, an eagle or any other booming statement of patriotism that can so quickly transform a workday ensemble into a Fourth of July costume. Holding a news conference in front of flags was plenty; she did not feel compelled to drape herself in one.
Pelosi’s suit was by Giorgio Armani — the Italian master of neutral tones and modern power dressing — and she wore it well. She looked polished and tasteful in front of the cameras. It is tempting to even go so far as to say that she looked chic…”
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(from WaPo)
I cannot recall the last time I saw so much ink devoted to a male pol’s attire.
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Mommybrain @ 109
Anybody know if FDL and DailyKos are available on military bases again?
They’re doing it agaaaiiin.
Punaise, do tell about the Dr. Hyde rant.
I categorize Henry Hyde with the Not Until It Happens To Me Rethugs.
He was loud and obnoxious, during the Clinton admin, about autism, innoculations, no need for hearings it’s just junk science, UNTIL…his grandchild was diagnosed soon after being vaccinated. THEN he demanded hearings, etc.
And that’s all before the impeachment. I want to hear his rant.
Wonder what the GOP thinks about him holding off until after election
Confirmation hearings on a replacement would not have been pretty. This may have been the best course available to them–stick with the strong on security story, hold the Senate and hope to hold the house. SecDef hearings could well have destroyed the strong on security story.
Keep in mind that we barely won, and that we barely won two seats that were widely regarded as safe R seats. They couldn’t possibly have known, last summer, that Allen couldn’t actually run a campaign with meaningful opposition. They couldn’t have known that some organic farmer with a bad haircut could take down Burns. Hell, the Democratic establishment didn’t believe it.
And nobody, except maybe Dean, understood the impact the netroots would have. We were the margin of victory. (As Kos notes, though, Emmanuel could make the same claim–without the influx of money into the second and third tier races, we wouldn’t have made nearly the gains. This was, ultimately, a team success like the 70s Yankees, three sets of participants sniping their way to victory.)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
Ahhh, method to the madness. Thank you for a concise legal philosophy on that question. I have high hopes for a natural philosophy resulting from the investigations of Msrs. Conyers and Waxman. Oh, will it be fun to watch the big top unfold? Sadly, no, it will probably go a very long way to show just how badly our current congress was able to basterdize the plans of the founding architects. Those fine old founding fathers did quite a bit of work to make sure there could never be a King George on our golden shores, and I’m sure it would kill them to know how close we have come. To expose those circumstances in the full light of day, well it is a supreme requirement–and it may well end in impeachment after all–but, in no way is it a positive thing for our country. The authoritarians must be taken down; but we should not take pleasure in it…well not too much ;-}
Pat_AlexVA -
Tks much for the info; was thinking maybe permalink might be the thing to use. Have Firefox on the Mac but usually run thru’ Safari altho’ there’s one blog that sends it wackco.
Hayduke: Here’s a snip from that great diary from dailykos yesterday.
This week, the American people finally reached their breaking point. They finally had had enough. They finally realized that their household was out of control, and that they needed to bring in someone who could do something about it.
So they called Nanny 911. You know the show: the one where the “before” picture shows a house full of screaming, out-of-control kids, no discipline, constant terror, and a feeling of hopelessness on the part of the parents as they watch their home falling apart at the hands of children who Will. Not. Behave.
Then, just when it seems the parents have reached the end of their rope, they make one final, pleading call to Nanny 911. They’re looking for someone who will come in and lay down The Law, who will set boundaries, who will strike fear into the hearts of their willful, out-of-control kids, and get them to understand the meaning of the word, “NO”.
read the rest here…it’s really good
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/9/123233/253
THIS is what I’m talking about: http://www.commondreams.org/he…..110-01.htm
I’m smiling.
Christy Hardin Smith @
54
Yes ma’am, I understand. But. It’s just that these are the same folks who told Ned, “Don’t worry, just hand on for a bit, we’ll talk Joe out of running as an independant.” And we know how well that turned out.
do you think the democrats will blackmail bush and hold the impeachment card over him? if they did, it might be worth it. they could undo all the damage this admin and the republicans have done very quickly. all 750 signing statements gone…poof. the dems could still hold shooter and the rest of the crooks accountable. this would ensure they wouldn’t enter our politcal process ever again. bill clinton made a huge mistake not prosecuting the iran contra bunch,eventually they all reentered our process devistating the country.
Steve @
112
God almighty.
sunny @ 124
Simply this: Fierce, constant pressure to do the right thing. Threats of strong primary challenges if they do not perform as we elected them to do. Heaps of praise when they perform well. But most of all, as someone implied above, the Dems should be pressured to educate the masses as to just what the hell has happened here, and not leave it entirely up to the bloggers. This education can only occur if they hold the gd hearings and hold the gd neocons accountable for what they have done to us and the rest of the world.
Ex-freakin’-xactly! Someone posted on election day that he/she had just NOT voted for Boxer or DiFi or whatnot, in protest. That is precisely the wrong things for Democrats to do. Serious involvement in the party primaries and very real threats to the established regime is exactly the right approach. The netroots can disseminate public opinion far faster than any handlers can make it. That is the strenght of the net and the bloggers own it. Anyone who discounts this blitzkrieg ability will suffer the consequences. Karl Rove did, and he’s a ‘genius’ fur cripessake!
Martin On Rumsfeld: “Irresistibly Charming And Stunningly Rude”
Veteran CBS News Correspondent David Martin has been covering the Pentagon for decades. He’s seen a lot of Defense Secretaries come and go — and today shares some of thoughts on the current one, Donald Rumsfeld, before he goes, too. — Ed.
story here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2…..0711.shtml
LindyH @
145
And Neil Bush, too. Bless Babs for her honesty in making sure her donation to the Katrina fund went toward purchasing his “educational” software.
Last night C-Span had a profile of Speaker Pelosi. What I saw of it was well done and sensible. I don’t think she is going to cave when her principles are threatened and she sure isn’t in it for the money. The white male reporting establishment will have a lot of jokes at her expense but I have no doubt she will have the last laugh.
punaise @ 117
Mommybrain @ 137
not even this Hyde rant?
(sorry…)
May I be the first to call Rummy “snowflakes”?
He drove everybody crazy with his “snowflakes” — brief memos on subjects as petty as whether a particular reporter had arrived late for a briefing and as monumental as “are we winning the war on terror.” –David Martin
Go ahead, W. Make the case that to seal the deal on the change the American people voted for on Tuesday, that the White House needs to be in friendlier hands.
I dare you, you petulant sonovabitch.
Punaise – LOL ex-freaking-zacly! Got me again.
ccmask @ 147
Well, I can see the “stunningly rude” part–but what kind of posthypnotic suggestion does it take to make Rummy “irresistibly charming?”
HotFlash @ 143
Or maybe Reid looked at Ct polling of a 3 way race, correctly divined that CT unaffiliateds don’t give a crap about Democrats disaffection with Lieberman, and wisely kept Lieberman with the caucus. CT did not have a Republican governor and all those Republican Congressmen by accident. Sucks, but there you have it.
Bring home the guard now!
We can debate all we want when we should complete a full pull-out or redeployment in Iraq, but it seems to me the National Guard should be returned home immediately as part of any timeline.
We need them and their equipment here for potential disasters. But most importantly, their families need them. They have shouldered the most unfair burdern of all, with loss of jobs and bankruptcy awaiting them on return.
Christy Hardin Smith @
54
Christy, thanks for your crystalline analyses.
My constituents – new patients (and their families) in the mental health clinic – have strong objections to all manner of
policy assessmentsdiagnoses.I would, too. Who wants to hear they or their loved one has a diagnosis requiring life-long medications?
My hearings and investigations take the form of a “standardized instrument”.
That’s a $300 per hour fancy name for a set of standardized questions (demonstrated to be effective in revealing major psychiatric diagnoses in global epidemiolgic studies).
Psych diagnoses (according to DSM-speak) are based on a longitudinal (over time) history of the presence or absence of certain symptoms.
So – in answering the diagnostic questions – my constituents are hearing their own histories, their own stories.
Old events, seen from this perspective, are seen by the patient as a pattern in their lives.
Nobody comes to the public mental health clinic because they are “too happy” – so the patterns my constituents see are patterns that hurt them.
When my constituents see they have been injured by thesse patterns, THEY become the advocates for relief of their suffering.
And then we are allies.
If I start the interaction off with a brief set of questions, tell the patient my opinion with no apparent framework, and announce a diagnosis after ten minutes, I become an opponent.
I’m glad the Dem leaders are choosing their public comments on impeachment in a manner least likely to mobilize the very substantial paranoid contingent among the authoritarian Bush cultists.
On a deep, dark level the paranoid authoritarians are prisoners of their own fear and suspicion.
As they are never free of their torment – and lack the insight to seek or accept help – nothing the Dem leaders do in the next few months will assuage their torment.
The rest of the world has been tormented by the paranoid fantasies of the authoritarian neo-cons for almost four decades. The values they mimic – Lenin’s as carried by Stalin – have afflicted the planet for almost a century.
I’m glad the Dem leaders’ deft deferral of impeachment this month will give time for the paranoid, authoritarian, tormented Repug limbic supporters to turn their inchoate rage and fear upon others within the Republican cult of authoritarian power.
The paranoid style and rage – if attracted towards the Rethugs’ corporate masters – will also serve to demolish the carefully legislated basis for profound economic inequality.
Wow – inchoate rage and the most glaring thievery and social inequality since the “Gilded Age”.
No wonder so many of the Rethugs’ corporate owners have jumped into pumping up the threat levels.
As soon as they fail to divert attention to imagined enemies, the obscenely wealthy corporations and people who despoiled our land, water, communities, Republic and our very democracy will be naked in the public eye.
The megacorps and their owners will be seen for what they are: the true enemies of every American with less than ten million dollars.
The last time this happened, I think it ended up being called populism and the Progressive movement.
Redshift @132 Thanks, that was a simple compelling way to say it.
ccmask @ 141
THANKS! I’ll read it at lunch. Looks funny as hell.
Prairie Sunshine @
97
Not just taxes but business costs such as healthcare and employee benefits, toxic waste clean up, emissions control, research, you name it. Sales to these guys soak up more tax dollars in the form of inflated prices for drugs covered by Medicare, infant formula and food covered by the WIC program, electronic voting machines paid for by HAVA grants — the list goes on and on. Every time the wheel goes around, a bit more $ winds up at the top and there it stays.
Pelosi is holding the trump cards here, and doesn’t have to call for impeachment now. Just wait until she opens her first investigation, and the WH won’t produce the documents she asks for…
“Contempt of Congress”, hmm, sounds impeachable to me.
Incoming Committee Chairs Levin and Biden on ABC’s THIS WEEK Sunday.
LIEberman and McCain on MEET THE PRESS.
Let’s see…has-been senators vs. new center of power Senators…wonder who to watch….
JohnSwifty, I’m not certain I follow here. I can understand how not voting at all in a Boxer/Pelosi/DiFi election will change nothing.
In safe elections (where polls – as with DiFi/Pelosi – show assured victory for the D candidate/incumbent), votes for more progressive candidates (even the hated Green choice! :) record the strength of electoral desire for progressive values. Those votes become a tool for the next primary…
What would DiFi be changing if the CA Sen race showed 5% Green this election?
{OK -she’s in her early 70’s and may not run again – but the idea is DiFi independent, mercifully)
New thread, all.
Hi Christy,
I’m sorry I haven’t had the opportunity to read all the posts in this section but I need to add a strong, strong word of warning to my fellow Democrats and Progressives.
The Bush strategy is CONFRONTATION NOT COOPERATION! Got that?
They can’t win back the House and Senate in ‘08 if the Democrats are successful. He has to prove to his base and the American public in general that Democrats are mean, vindictive and unproductive. To do that he’ going to force confrontations at every turn. It would even behoove him to precipitate IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS to prove to America that everything he warned them about if Democrats were elected will come true.
Look for him and his administration to bait John Conyers and Nancy Pelosi in every way possible.
Look for Trojan Horse legislation (e.g. A resolution making America officially a “Christian Nation”) Look for the Protection of Marriage Act again…
Look for anything divisive….
Instead of “kid Gloves” we may have to deal with this man and his administration with a 2 x 4.
hizzhoner
let this cup pass by my office door without spilling a drop – and recede down the corridor to oblivion.
eww-blergh: Rover’s inner world. Denny’s private fantasies. Shrub’s seething man-love…and the self-hatred he never drank away. Laura’s glassy facade – and the hell behind it.
reason # 1 to be glad for declining forensic psych fellowship?
working with psychopaths……
tuneforg @ 53
OR, the Dem leadership can instantly unleash Conyers on the impeachment hearings. Play nice, or get impeached. Nothing less.
A couple of quick thoughts: Bush is the classic petulant, spoiled, rich kid – BULLY! His enablers have been vanquished; his “brain” discredited and now, all he has to fall back on is his famous “Texas charm.” The problem is, now, most folks can see through the “charm,” past the “spoiled” – all the way to the “stupid and incompetent.”
NOW, we worry about the “tone” in Washington. NOW, we believe in civil bi-partisanship.
NOW, we want to listen to other’s points of view.
NOW, we want to save our sorry ass and our historical reputation.
The problem is: Bush hasn’t, Bush CAN’T, change. At the first opportunity, he will stab anyone in the back if it suits his purposes. After lying about Rumsfield (and most everything else), who in their right mind would believe a single word spoken by our Presidunce? PLEASE, Democrats, be smart, be shrewd, and live by Bush’s “golden rule” – “DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO UNTO YOU.” If you don’t, you WILL be used and abused. To Bush, you are nothing more than suckers to be exploited for his own political ends. It’s all a game to him; a game he MUST win – at any cost – in any way possible.
HotFlash @ 107
Professor Foland @
8
But… someone with half of Cheney’s charisma would be dead!