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Others have weighed in on James Carville's weird, desperate statements regarding Howard Dean, so I might as well. Carville said:
Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.
The candidate being floated to replace Dean? Harold Ford.
Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager."
Carville's invitation to rumble with the netroots is about as threatening as a stirring rendition of "When You're a Jet" at the Pizmo Beach Dinner Theater and Banquet Complex.
Ford's overt homophobia, his past enthusiasm for Social Security Privatization (Ford was the original wedge that Bush thought he had into the Democrats in Congress) and his refusal to back Democratis against Republican vanity party candidates make him just about the worst possible choice. Add to that the fact that he was a truly horrible candidate who only got as many votes as he did because of a wave he couldn't quite catch leave him with nothing to offer much of anyone but punditocracy bluestockings, which he is all too willing to flatter.
Carville has been sleeping with the enemy too long. He has internalized the Republican notion that endless spin can generate its own reality. But he might think twice about continuing to taunt those who will only be too happy to keep bringing this up until someone actually does something about it.
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Ick.
Martian! (compare to the fellow on the left.)
fitz?
Fitz!
The Democratic leadership that oversaw the failure of the Democrats and allowed them to be nothing more than a punching bag for Republicans - including doing Dean in in Iowa to make room for Kerry - are trying to replace the guy who returned Democrats to power?
I used to like Carville, but the DLC wing of the Democratic party has got to go.
NED!
NETROOTS!
amen, jane.
I lost what liitle respect I still had for the guy.
Some words of wisdom for all the world, courtesy of Mister Rogers:
what do you do with the mad that you feel
when you feel so mad you could bite?
when the whole wide world seems oh so wrong
and nothing you do seems very right?
what do you do, do you punch a bag?
do you pound some clay or some dough?
do you round up friends for a game of tag
or see how fast you go?
it’s great to be able to stop
when you’ve planned a thing that’s wrong
and be able to do something else instead
and think this song:
I can stop when I want to
can stop when I wish
can stop stop stop anytime
and what a good feeling to feel like this
and know that the feeling is really mine
know that there’s something deep inside
that helps us become what we can
for a girl can be someday a lady
and a boy can be someday a man
Dean!
Damn, that’s gorgeous writing, Jane. Miss Austen herself couldn’t have said it better. Except she might have said ‘left’ rather than ‘leave’, but she wasn’t using a computer.
Jane -
Never thought I’d say this, but it’s fun to watch you deliver a spanking.
(that pic, however - Smeagol’s nephew?)
Bullseye, as per usual.
Oh thank god ya’all are going after Carville,rat bastard. He’s a GOP operative,period.
I expected that Wednesday morning, and after some Kos threads, I decided to do something in preparation. Here’s a tangible way to demonstate a commitment to Howard Dean’s strategy - fill up the “Thank You Dr. Dean” bat at the DNC.
http://www.democrats.org/page/.....anThankYou
Money raised in response to such old guard idiocies will demonstrate where the momentum lies.
Please consider a contribution.
For more info see http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../153727/99
Who the fuck is James Carville? Some leftover trash from the pre-Internet 90’s? Way too many cocktail weenies to judge anyone…
Speaking of gasbags…
Can we deal with this crap?
The only assurance he should be getting from anyone is that everyone still thinks he’s an asshole.
There’s a ‘liberal’ talk radio guy on Tucker Carlson right now also saying Dean’s the wrong guy and that Pelosi was telling him what to do that was right and when he strayed he was wrong.
I don’t know the interior truth but considering the DCCC came to campaigns late with money and the DNC was paying for infrastructure early it sure seems off the mark.
I was a fan of Carville’s for a long time, and then I defended him for a while. But no more. This ridiculous notion places him firmly in the category of ‘Pub stalking horse.
It’s all over, James.
Kirk Murphy — no, not Smeagel’s nephew. His twin.
http://www.elitemrp.net/galler......thumb.jpg
Well I say let the traitors out themselves full bore in public
Now Mr. Carville you were saying ?
Please continue to reveal, in prime time, your plan for world domination
Everyone have their TiVOs ready ?
“If you don’t behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.” - Bishop Fulton John Sheen
I believe he’s married to her…He is Mr. Mary Matlin (sp?)
from the Huffington Post, some reasons why it won’t happen:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....33848.html
Yeesh. I will never, ever, tune in to Tucker Carlson again.
It reminds me of Rush in so many ways.
Good thread, Jane. I like Carville, when he was Clinton’s ambassador to Gonzoland, but now that he’s talk-show-certified, someone needs to stick Tucker Carlson’s bowtie in his mouth.
That’s the stupidest fucking thing I’ve heard this week. We won in large part because the 50-state strategy forced the Republicans to commit resources to places they thought were safe.
Ford deserves a thank-you for taking one for the team … VA and MT might have been much closer if the R’s had the money they spent in TN.
But that’s all he deserves!
BC
pontificator @ 19
thank’s for the link!
and now i’ll go brush up on genetics…..
Carville, Rahm, and too many others in DC think that the key to the power of the party is all about the House and Senate, and control of those two bodies really boils down to a few swing states.
But that means that you’re not ready, say, when the Republican speaker of the house gets in hot water a month before the election over ethics issues. You’re not ready when a “safe” republican seat becomes vacant when a federal prosecutor drops a couple of indictments and those “safe” republicans resign in disgrace. You’re not ready if someone dies suddenly, decides to spend more time with their family suddenly, enters rehab suddenly, or anything else unplanned that happens.
Planning matters - especially those plans that help you prepare for the unexpected. That means fifty state parties need to be supported. Good progressive candidates need to be recruited, not just in a couple states, but across the nation.
And that means working to prepare the next generation of candidates. That means supporting Dems in places like Wyoming and Alaska at the state level, so that they become known in the state legislature and the governor’s mansion. That means providing party structures to win races like state auditor, atty general, and other statewide down-ticket offices. That means working across the country.
Leaving aside cases like Texas, most redistricting will happen after 2010, in time for the 2012 elections. That means Dems need to win control of state legislatures (in most places) to prevent what happened in Texas under Delay’s prodding from happening elsewhere. Dems need to win more state races in 2008, and more than that in 2010.
That doesn’t happen overnight, and it doesn’t happen if Carville & Co. worry only about the top tier races in a couple of swing states.
Party organizations in fifty states need support.
Candidates in fifty states need support.
Political organizers in fifty states need support.
But most of all, ordinary progressive Dems in fifty states need support. How does an ordinary Dem in places like the deep south feel about their party, if the party writes them, their states, and their parties off before the races ever get started?
Do resources need to be spent where they can do the most good? Absolutely. But “the most good” is an awfully slippery thing sometimes. We can’t let the short run get in the way of laying a good foundation for party growth.
Fifty states.
Here is the email I sent James Carville today.
Mr. Carville,
I have had a great deal of respect for you and the work you have done in the past. However, I am greatly disappointed in your attempt to unseat Howard Dean as the head of the DNC. The 50 state plan is working nicely and without it and the netroots folks we would not have taken both the House and Senate. Emanuel, Schumer and the rest of the Beltway clan are trying to take all the credit and give short shrift to Dean and the netroots. Believe me you will have a fight on your hands if you follow up on your idea to make Harold Ford or anyone else chair of the DNC before the 2008 election. If you want to live up to your reputation as a shrewd Dem strategist please point your efforts to finding a candidate for the Whitehouse that can beat anybody the GOP fields. Vilsack, Biden, H. Clinton, Kerry, and the rest of the old guard are toast and will only give the GOP easy targets. We need someone with a fresh face, broad appeal, no historical baggage, and the guts to lead this nation back to its position in the world as an example of freedom, trust, honesty and strength.
Respectfully
I’ve thought for the last six years that there is nothing in this world that would make me start voting Green. But my imagination was clearly limited; pushing Dean out after a historic victory just might do the trick to convince me I’m really not welcome in the Democratic party.
What is with these people? I mean, really? They can’t even rest a week? I was so ready to overlook Rahm and Chuck’s obvious flaws. I was so ready to look at the whole team (from Ford to Lamont) and be proud of what we did together.
And Rahm can’t ever wait a day to bitch about us to the Washington Post? Carville is calling for Dean’s head after a victory?
I don’t care if this is some double-super-secret trick to fool the masses while secretly they really feel we’re valuable members of the team. Because at some point, I’m going to start being fooled, too.
W
T
F
?
I decided to be nice about it, hoping he might read past the first line.
Sent it to:
james@carville.info
deanh@dnc.org
tracyr@gmail.com
I simply “made up” the “deanh@dnc.org” address, based on other e-mail accounts at dnc.org that use last name and then first initial. I tested it out by sending a message to that address, which did not bounce, and then another to asdlkfj@dnc.org (nonsense keys for recipient), which did bounce back. So maybe “deanh” works.
I found that the DNC’s blogmistress is Tracy Joan Russo, and Google gave me a Gmail account for her. I figured that including a cc to her would be useful.
Don’t bother using info @deanforamerica.com because it bounces.
Try this more thoughtful view of the Dean/Ford kerfuffle.
From HuffPo.
sleeping with & feeding info to the enemy.
this snake needs to slither away w/his lizard wife.
would anyone miss either of them?
I’m sure the enemy he sleeps with, one Mrs. Carville, has been spiking all of his food and drink with the right-wing kool-aid for many years. It’s now showing physically and mentally.
carsick @
17
alex benet, a failed comedian / radio host that claims that howard stern stole his style, is now on the very popular sirius satelite radio . . .
his repetition of the SINK DEAN meme is a sure sign of its impotence.
fuck carville and the alagator he rode in on.
and . . .
fuck alex benet and the failed career he rode in on.
Dr. DEAN is a hero.
Hey go easy on good ol’ Jimmy…if you had to have sex with Mary Matalin, you’d make a face like that too!
Carville’s career and usefulness peaked in, what, about 1992?
Carville is an example of letting your self get p…. whipped by an evil right wing bitch. The only thing left for him is towel boy at the DLC.
If they touch Howard Dean I am cancelling my monthly Democracy Bond donation. I am so sick of triangulating gas bags.
Golum.
it wants its ring, precious.
Prof @ 30
Yeah, I know. I gagged as I wrote that drivel too. I have to go wash my keyboard with soap and water now.
Makes you wonder about the timing of this, doesn’t it? Just as Rahmbo has set down his megaphone for a moment to take a breath before resuming his operatic aria: me,me,me,me,me,me. Just as folks in the know are digesting what really happened and how much credit is due to Doctor Dean a panic runs through the consultancy class and again with the undermining.
In Salon this morning: Howard Dean, vindicated. by Joe Conason. http://www.salon.com/opinion/c.....dean_dems/
And the more they pore through and over those exit polls and realize what really went on instead of what the feral twosome have been claiming for themselves the more the need to discredit where the real credit belongs.
I’m willing to concede that the spotlight grabbers did a decent job, are they such shriveled little, little men that they can’t give credit where credit is due and instead send out their bald-headed hit man to try to create a non-rumor?
This is about Hillary.
dharmarific > 37
Ain`t no pu**y in the world worth that, no matter how sweet smellin it is
“To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.” - Isaac Asimov
Does anyone know if Carville is a supporter of Marty Peretz’s Unity ‘08 brain child? The one that says we need to run a McCain/Lieberman ticket?
Carville now looks like Lord Voldemort after rebirth as half-snake. Maybe he can play the part in the next Harry Potter movie. They wouldn’t have to use any makeup. He’s certainly more suited to that part than the one he purports to be playing.
Oh, and his wife…..hissssssssssssssssssssssss
There’s Carville. And then there’s Pelosi.
A peek at our new Leader.
“I fully intend to be standing here as speaker of the House next year. Any other questions?” Pelosi responded.
So how did the San Francisco congresswoman, who even some Democrats said was too partisan, liberal and shrill to lead the party, take them to the majority?
How Pelosi parlayed Democrats to power
During a dismal 12 years for her party, California’s representative refused to accept defeat as permanent condition
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....d=rss.news
For over twenty years, Democrats have played the game the Republicans’ way, to the country’s considerable detriment. In cozying up to the fat cats, the Democrats have been increasingly marginalized electorally and demonized culturally, while the country’s middle class sinks.
It took an intractable idiot like George Bush and a massive dose of public corruption to finally stir the electorate from its torpor, and if the Democrats are smart (and that’s still in some doubt), they will seize this moment and build on it, for the good of the entire country. The first step in doing so is recognizing that the strategy of the last twenty-five years of favoring the rich has failed everyone except the rich.
And Carville is smack-dab in the middle of that failed strategy.
newtonusr > 41
Maybe but she, I think, has a few surprises to deal with if she keeps it up (so to speak…)
“As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.” - Voltaire
Funny how so many of us politics junkies are concentrating on this. He We Liberals Must Obey, Kos, had a post up about it. Only this afternoon, I wrote something similar at my blog about the importance of balancing policy, money and infrastructure, although my take was that the boots on the ground make a huge difference. Kos was a bit more specific about certain issues; mine’s a bit more abstract.
Funny, Carville sounds just like Novackula. And you know Novackula just wants to help.
newtonusr @ 41
sooo many names from the Clinton era, soooo regularly, and immediately after the election results were in…
sooo many “trial baloons”
I’m thinking this is her way of saying she’s decided to run
I always did think that Carville should start a K-street firm with Tucker as his biz partner. They were always so sweet together.
Anybody else catch the Architect’s interview today with Time?
“The profile of corruption in the exit polls was bigger than I’d expected,” Rove tells TIME
Um… yeah.
Although I don’t know for sure, I think Colmes and Carville were separated at birth.
This would support the nature view of nature vs. nurture since they are both chimpco enablers.
Can anyone help us out with a mockup?
Monk? Darkblack? Bueller?
In the end, Hillary won’t run. Her negatives are way too high for her to be a viable national candidate.
She couldn’t get elected to the Senate from Arkansas, she had to go to NY to get it.
I like Hillary. I’d vote for Hillary. But something like 45% of the population wouldn’t vote for Hillary for sewer cleaner, let alone President. She’s not viable nationally. Neither is Kerry, nor is Gore. Hillary’s smart, and she’ll figure it out. If she hasn’t already.
We need to look elsewhere.
BC
We’re not going to waste our time giving echo to what Carville says, are we?
njr @ 50
The strong, independent, ballsy Chairman is her worst enemy. Welcome to the New Dems.
Carville’s
betterother half with Hateity and the spin they’re in:http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....s-explode/
njr > 50
Very possible but if she keeps pushing her “I`m entitled” nonsense I think she is going to end up holding her head in her hands; Nancy vs Hillary is a loser for Ms. I`m Entitled to It Clinton
Don`t be messin with no Italian Grandma, particularly one that grew up in the middle of a political family
Just sayin
“The future will be a struggle between huge competing systems of psychopathology.” - J. G. Ballard
God forbid the old media should have Dr. Dean on to speak about the election, rather than these old, wizened, knock-kneed, used-up, discredited Clintondrones, who are trotted out to pretend not to be the people with losing ideas who lost, lost, lost, and lost some more (and who sleep with the enemy).
Here’s the enemy:
AP - Sen. John McCain, considered the front-runner for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, intends to launch an exploratory committee next week, GOP officials said Friday.
Bargain Countertenor, Gore is not electable???
He won the popular vote in 2000, and it took Kitty Harris’ shenanigans plus the Supremes to deliver Florida’s electoral votes to shrub.
We need to find a presidential candidate who is pro-diplomacy, not pro-war.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 59
I’d sure love to believe that McCain is the enemy, but, in rich Democratic tradition, he’s the opponent; the enemy is our nominee unless we make one who’s not.
My email to Carville:
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 61
Gore’s negatives aren’t as high as Hillary’s but they’re pretty high. In the low 40s, last I saw. With negatives at that level, it’s tough to make headway.
It’s better to pick someone with lower negatives, like Edwards or Clark.
BC
newtonusr @ 62
Nah, McCain is not the enemy; it is authoritarians who are the enemy.
bdu @ 8
Boy do I miss Mr. Rogers.
He always got right to the nub of things in his uniquely gentle way
Bargain Countertenor @
53
Actually I think the Presidency is Al Gore’s for the taking, and I hope if he runs, he picks Howard Dean for VP.
Re Harold Ford, Tim Meadows could do a devastating parody of the guy; otherwise, Ford himself is highly uninteresting.
Re Carville, he became his own parody of himself a while ago.
TPM says Mary’s name is being floated as a replacement for Mehlman. Makes sense she wants the DNC chair to be someone much less capable than Governor Dean and thinks James can arrange that.
Man, I thought my blood pressure would go down after Tuesday’s wins but those damn Republicans and their Democratic kin keep it elevated.
55 right on…All about Hillary running. Bill was out there (not Ct.) to lay the ground work for Hillary while she stayed in NY but she put some $$$ out.
She is smart but her ego is too big not to want to go back to the WH. She will not get there unless she is invited to dinner.
I don’t consider myself as well informed about the machinations of Democratic party internal politics as many of the posters on this site, but it strikes me that Angie Paccione wouldn’t have lost to the hated Musgrave by only three percent if it had not been for the 50-state strategy and the sterling efforts of the netroots. The fact that Jay Fawcett was even in the same room as Lamborn can be attributed to the same forces, IMO. After I read “Crashing the Gate” over July 4th weekend I was pissed. What is the matter with these people?
Carville should take his appropriately shaped head and insert it up Rahm Emmanuel’s *rse, as we say in Blighty.
Rant Over. Sorry, guys.
Zergle @ 16
Thanks much Harry.
bbuster @ 63
With cc to two at the DNC, right?
sofistic @ 65
Don’t kid yourself. McCain is one of `em. All of a piece.
I never did understand the objections to the 50-state strategy. At the outset, Dean said it would take more than one cycle, perhaps many, to rebuild the Democratic party from the ground up. It seems that the beltway consultants only think as far ahead as the next cycle, which is stupid.
Eyes on the prize.
McCain is an authoritarian enemy with an ego larger than the man he hopes to replace and without honor or scruples.
Hah. So they’re NOT running either Duncan Hunter or Mitt Romney in 2008? Awww. I’m crushed. :p
Pelosi 07, Gore 08! :)
montag @ 74
Subway Serenade @ 68
Maybe. I haven’t seen any recent polling data on Gore. His movie and his measured approach (and 6 years of Shrubbery) may have reduced his negatives.
But it’s tough to win when you start out with nearly half the voters thinking you’re devil-spawned. That’s Hillary’s problem, and her negatives have never gone away.
BC
Who is Carville speaking for? The Clintons and the DLC or his wife and the Republicans? Or is it a combination of the two?
Hey folks,
is there a side by side comparison of the net/roots and Rahm/DLC candidatesthat I can link to?
On the NewsHour:
Shields: Obama is a fullfledged political superstar.
Babbling Brooks: I think Hillary won. Dems will want to be less adventuresome in 2008.
In this election, Republicans learned their lessons on earmarks and buying votes and elections. Dems will have to learn this lesson. [What an idiot.]
[Both now praising Ken Mehlman in a desperate attempt to show how out of touch they are.]
Brooks: Rumsfeld should have been let go a couple of months ago.
Shields: Bush didn’t let Rumsfeld go earlier because he didn’t want to take “the punching bag out of the gym.”
Brooks: Administration is open to change. [I’ll believe it when I see it.]
Nobody mentions Dean or the netroots.
Phil @ 70
Thanks. I needed a good laugh.
Wrt Lieberman4Lieberman, I think Harry did some pretty fine horse trading. He could have given Lieberman4Lieberman the chair of ARMED SERVICES. Without Lieberman4Lieberman, we don’t have a majority in the Senate. A 50 50 Senate would in turn give the GOP more ability to block more aggressive hearings in the House, plus it would allow Deadeye to vote.
dab from CT @
72
Reddhedd today in the comments here said she had from multiple Reid & non-Reid sources that Lieberman is just flat lying about this. Don’t be too quick to blame Reid.
Subway Serenade @ 81
My wife was asking about that just this morning. And I said I thought someone on FDL was putting together a spreadsheet showing the effectiveness of the netroots vs the central committees. Anyone remember who was doing this?
Carville and his wife, the wicked witch of the east, are out to make money for themselves. James been drinkin’ the Repug Kool-Aid.
Please pass along any suggestions you have–I’m trying to gather them together in one place.
I stand with Howard Dean
Would really appreciate the input. I am feeling like crud warmed over today, and hadn’t planned to blog at all, except that Skeletor pissed me off.
Off to bed now.
Even after the election, that was a referendum on Bush and his war. Still silence… on Iraq from Senator Clinton.
sofistic @ 75
I think Rahm & Chuck like to pick up the phone and direct party money to this candidate or that, unencumbered. They like to decide who those candidates are, and take credit for the support they’re sending. Dean defies them when He raises money in districts and leaves it there.
Me. Me. Me.
When Blitzer was on a panel hosted by Anderson Cooper, Blitzer was giving Dr. Dean credit for wins. Carville smirked and said he had no comment which was comment enough. These people no longer dance with the one who brung ‘em.
I would think that may be difficult to produce. There are DLCers who vote like progressives, if you actually look at their records, and self-proclaimed “progressive Dems” who vote like DLCers. My suspicion is that not everyone is as clear cut as Rahm is.
Subway Serenade @ 81
Pismo Beach!, probably the only place in CA where you can drive on the beach!
(R. Pombo would be so proud)
OT, but THIS is why we need to use the subpoena power that we will have in January. Just saw this in the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01686.html
The title of the article is: “In Letter, Radical Cleric Details CIA Abduction, Egyptian Torture.”
So tell me, is this Muslim cleric, radical though he probably is, any MORE radical than, oh, Fred Phelps?
First 100 hours? First order of business should be to get habeas corpus back, second, oh, let’s stop torturing people, and then let’s worry about the minimum wage.
Spoken like a radical, bible-reading (and understanding) Christian. (Most radical human being who ever walked the earth? Jesus. Who would he torture?)
Is there a way to prevent Robert Gates, who’s up to his asshole in Iran/Contra from being confirmed? Somehow I just don’t think he will be particularly helpful…
OT but not unexpected
Average price for regular gasoline 11/10/06 in 50 states and DC
$2.80 plus 1 state : Hawaii
$2.70 plus 0 states
$2.60 plus 0 states
$2.50 plus 1 state : Alaska
$2.40 plus 5 states
$2.30 plus 5 states
$2.20 plus 18 states
$2.10 plus 13 states
$2.00 plus 8 states : Arkansas, Missouri, New Jersey, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia
Average national price for regular gasoline: $2.217, up $.008 from yesterday
Highest average price: Hawaii $2.876
Lowest average price: New Jersey $2.029
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
Crude Oil:
Nymex Crude Future $59.59, down $1.57 from yesterday
Dated Brent Spot $57.50, down $1.64
WTI Cushing Spot $59.59, down $1.57
Gas prices hit their low on election day and have risen for the last 3 days. Probably just a coincidence. Oil prices have been fluctuating within a narrow range for the last few days.
In related news, OPEC has indicated further productions may be necessary. These would be in addition to OPEC’s recently implemented, and largely illusory, cuts.
One reason for increasing gasoline prices was a report from the government’s EIA (Energy Information Agency) cited in news stories that gasoline inventories were down. While this is true, the EIA report goes on to note that gas inventories remain at the upper end of their averages. So supplies are for the moment good. Similar reasoning was used to explain an increase in oil prices this week, except prices dropped today. Oh well.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil.....t/wpsr.txt
Of course, a reason given for the decrease in oil prices today was a report from the IEA (International Energy Agency) and no relation to the EIA in which it cut its estimate for future world oil demand. How much? 80,000 bbl/day. The story I saw said that the world economy uses around 84.5 million bbl/day so this accounts for about .1% of daily world oil demand. IOW, next to nothing.
What I am trying to get at with these 3 stories is that a lot of reporting on energy markets is bad, uninformed, or just plain silly.
Scarecrow (last thread) - Exactly - 20% is only ever going to be 20%, and only ever was going to be 20%. Seemingly, Howard Dean can do simple math; the others, not so much.
Subway Serenade @ 67
I’d vote for Gore in a heartbeat. He has none of the stink of Iraq attached to him, he clearly sees what’s important to ALL our futures, he knows the sting of surely the ultimate defeat, and he survived it. If we can get some hot subpoena action going in the next two years, I don’t think his “negatives” will be an issue. All we need to do is point to what a colossal f*ck up Bush has been, and ask the waverers if they’d like a do-over. Given the simplistic crap some people have been willing to swallow over the last few years, this scenario doesn’t seem too far fetched.
EPU @ 96, name change (”paralel”)?
sofistic @ 75
It’s purely power. Inside-the-Beltway power. Fueled by “consultants” who don’t know their ass from their elbow about what’s happening 50 miles from their cushy offices. Without Dean’s 50 State Strategy we would be exactly where we were on Nov. 4. We might have picked up a few “safe” seats in the House, and maybe 2 or 3 seats in the Senate, but we would still be sitting in the back of the bus begging Massa for crumbs and being told to starve like the traitors and cowards they’ve been calling us for 6 years. That’s what the 50 state strategy prevented. And that’s why the “powers that be” hate it so.
Apologies if this has been posted:
Howard Dean vindicated.
Sally @
69
And turds float to the top, unflushable sometimes, crude as that sounds.
I highly doubt that Matalin will ever be head of RNC. She fucked up Bush I’s re-election bid in spectacular fashion. They don’t tolerate losers over there. You get one chance with the Republicans, or you’re toast for future power positions. Notice that ever since she crashed and burned, she hasn’t had any position of real authority within the party. They keep shuffling her around the wingnut welfare system. She’s toxic to them.
Hugh @ 95
Bad, uninformed, or just plain silly reporting? I’m shocked! Shocked, I tell you . . .
newtonusr @ 41
Yes. It’s all about Hillary.
As Bill said this summer - he owes Hillary, big time. Apparently that means destroying everything that smacks of integrity and authenticity in the Dem party.
In 2000 James Baker the fucking 3rd gets the court formally known as supreme to stop the recount to preserve democracy. Bush offers no healing balm to soothe country and go 90mph toward dictatorial fascism which leads to the orchestration of 9/11 followed by the gargantuan lie linking it to Iraq. 6 years later the democrats win the House and Senate and not only pledge not to investigate 9/11 or Iraq but to work with the president for the sake of the American people.
The Times describes Reid as an infighter with a sharp jab. I’m counting on it.
will Carville carve ill will out of just about anything?
Bargain Countertenor @ 79
BC
I think we’ll be looking at an entirely new dynamic when we head into the next cycle. Dean, and the rest of us for that matter, have 2 years to build on what we’ve learned from this cycle. Progressives may be the kingmakers in 08.
As much as folks would like to spin it otherwise, we now own the language of the debate. some say that progressives have no unified message. I do. It’s been the same message since the summer of 2003:
I stand with Howard Dean.
Renee,
Funny you should mention “I stand with Howard Dean as I was writing the same thing…
Carville is as much a predictor of things to come as the idiots who said the Miami Dolphins (2-6) would be going to the Super Bowl.
Easy to read conventional wisdom, harder to actually look objectively at things and go against the flow.
PeteCO @ 97
I agree about Gore. He has not only continued to be a strong, consistent voice crying in the wilderness about global warming, his film and his presentations world-wide have kept him in the public eye in a positive way. Even some of the rabid right-wing evangelicals are coming around to the belief that taking care of what God gave them might be a good idea. I think Gore’s got a real shot. (Paired with John Edwards, who has been consistently bringing up economic inequality?) Works for me…
Speaking of Iraq and Texas (Baghdad Cafe) Oscar winner Jack Palance dead at 87
Yeah James, dump the guy who was against the war when the DNCC and all the other beltway people were as scared of Bush and his war on terror (which he continually conflated with Iraq) as a possum is an ax handle. When Dean said we were no safer after Saddam was captured I didn’t hear many of the experts in the Democratic party defending him. Just like the mainstream media acted like he was an idiot. And his 50 state stratagy seems right on. He was right and Rahm was wrong. Dean has a large fan club and you would probably be pumping up hill trying to oust him.
Carville (and Stephanopolous) had their moment of great success with the 1992 election of Bill Clinton (and their 15 minutes of fame in D.A. Pennebaker and Chris Hgedus’ The War Room.) Most recently, Carville’s been flacking his services to some very, uhm, interesting people, not entirely with success.
I’m delighted in having a diverse and dissenting Democratic Party. However, when the argument comes down to “Howard Dean is bad for the Democratic Party because his candidates don’t use my company’s services,” all I can say is that I’ve had enough and STFU James Carville.
A reporter was listing all the things Dems want to accomplish and I had to wonder what is so bad about any of it that makes it seem to the Republicans like the very work of the Devil.
Ive been working and quickly scanned the thread. Apologies if someone already mentioned this,
Carville wants a war
by kos
Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:58:14 AM PST
It looks like Carville and his DC-elite buddies in DC want a war:
snip
Carville needs to shut the fuck up. If he wants a war, we’ll give him one.
And it won’t be a war that DC can win.
There’s more of us than there are of them.
http://www.dailykos.com/
Carvilles’ relationship to his wife is toxic. He should be excised like the tumor he is. He would give away the farm in order to help his wife.
I don’t care how nice his grandmother Miss Nippy was and I don’t care how good his gumbo is.
Stay away Jim.
-GSD
Hey Jimmy, I crap bigger than you…
The only thing scarier then the thought of James sleeping with Mary is the thought that James can even get it up with her.
OT - I would imagine this has been posted but just in case:
Lieberman: Call Me a Democrat
punaise @ 111
Thanks punaise
Shane
Millineryman @ 118
All that pharma money can buy many visits by Sy Allis…or Violet Agra, or Lev Itra (kosher version)
naschkatze @ 80
And let’s not forget who he’s married to. I seem to recall that their “pillow talk” was taken back to Republican headquarters and they tried to bite us with it… I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw a piano… a grand piano….
All Hail the Glorious Rahm !
This crap is everywhere in the traditional media.
He and he alone is responsible for the victory, a political genius, giant of our time.
Can we have an election and get rid of the meme press ?
James Carville is bald.
I like Booooyah Dean. He is most assuredly a winner. Ford would be a bad choice. I vote Keep Dean.
Millineryman @ 118
I lived on Capital Hill in the late 90’s, about two blocks from the Carville-Matalin house. Seeing Carville pick up the morning papers in his shorty bathrobe was one of the scariest things I’ve ever seen in my life.
Hugh @ 82
Oh… I’m so confused… Is Babbling Brooks the same as Bobo? But the other person is Shields? Is Brooke Shields schizophrenic?
Well, what can I say… I don’t watch much TV news…
It would almost be worth it to re-start my HBO account to see Bill Maher and how the Thug talking necks spin this one…
Oklahoma kiddo @
59
McCain lost all credibility when he cozied up to Dubya after being tarred in SC during the 2000 primary race.
He’s easy to listen to because he’s smart enough to describe reality well. But, then you never really hear him talk about the specifics he’s voted for (or against). Those would show him up for the Conservative Repub he appeared to be when he let George stand on his neck in public.
Don’t be fooled by McCain’s easy-going style and obvious intelligence. When it comes to voting he’s all Conservative.
Dear Mr. Carville,
When you take a dump, does your head cave in?
-GSD
punaise @ 111
Palance. A very under rated actor. This man had major talent.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 124
b-b-b-b-bald to the bone
Losing our Palance.
RIP.
-GSD
punaise @ 106
Remember who he’s married to….. She may keep his nuts in a box on the mantle and let him look at them on Sunday afternoon before dinner… So in order to get a longer look he says what she wants to hear?
Marion in Savannah says “Even some of the rabid right-wing evangelicals are coming around to the belief that taking care of what God gave them might be a good idea.”
Exactly. The “purpose driven life” guy (His name eludes me) gets it, and he’s quite influential, I believe. I hope we can build bridges to certain of these people. We have to.
Just so long as they’re not trying to curtail people’s civil rights. Like Haggard. (snigger)
Well I just finished watching “Hijacking Democracy” and I am just shocked. I knew the elections were rigged but I didn’t realize how easy it was being done. I am wondering why I trust Diebold with my ATM card now…
We ought to damn well be capable of influencing the nominee for the 2008 Democratic nomination for the presidency. And that is just 24 short months away.
Marion in Savannah @ 134
Honey, can ah have mah balls back tonight? Ah promise ah’ll use em to talk bad about Howard Dean
How many people under 30 are voting, donating, and volunteering for the Democrats thanks to Dean and the netroots? How about progressives over 30? The conservative and moderate branches of the Democratic Party would be incredibly stupid to not embrace them. How many volunteers did Schumer and Emanuel bring out? How successful were they at debunking and shining light on Republican propoganda?
Millineryman @ 118
I’m OK with that second thought…
Twisted Martini: I think Bill Maher can be seen on the HBO website right after the show. He takes questions after the show by email.
Two weeks ago I logged onto HBO to ask Bill a question and they already had the show I had just seen available for viewing on the website.
Does Hillary have Democrats, liberals and Progressives ‘over a barrel’?
Everythingseemssoneat @ 124
Which means that Shrubya wants to kiss his head??? EW..l EEWWW….. EEWWW… Brain bleach, please…
What I’d like to do is get Carville and the DLCers together for a giant group wedgie.
Probably not advisable, though. Many would suffer brain damage.
Twisted Martini @ 137
EXACTLY!!!
Just in case you haven’t gotten this:
Howard Dean’s email:
democraticparty@democrats.org
punaise @ 111
Baghdad Cafe - loved that movie
montag @ 144
DLCers reads like “ULCers”
I think we could use some media support for our position. Keith, Chris Matthews–Rahm and others are saying it was all a matter of genius by Rahm and Chuck.
Machine politics is bad no matter who is running it. Bob Pastrick ran one of the most corrupt political machines in the country in East Chicago, IN and he was a Democrat. Richard Daley in Chicago isn’t a whole lot better.
Pacifica @ 138
I think it might have been either the NYT or www.truthout.com where I saw the article… But the figure I remember is 10 million people under 30 voted in this election, which was a BIG increase. I’m guessing we got the lion’s share. There’s got to be a way to reach them without pissing them off with push polling and harassing them on the phone… The young ones I know are painfully unaware of politics, but once you explain things to them they become little Democrats… Better brains than mine, and younger, closer to their demographic, will figure out how to reach them. They are eminently reachable.
The way I see it…we are better off without Harold Ford. He was one of the few Senate candidates that did not run on progressive values. Now, his ipso facto centrist/right friends are exposing what lays beneath his Democrat veneer: “a Republicrat.” We have the Senate now and, quite honestly, one Joe Lieberman is enough. Bye bye Harold! Try lobbying for Focus on the Family.
Thanks for posting on this Jane. And you nailed it. He thinks if you tell a lie enough people will believe it. Which of course is true, but only for Reich Wingers.
montag @ 144
I’ll second that!
I got first place on the new thread suckers.
montag @ 143
How could we tell? About the brain damage, I mean???
My dog Jake even if he was an gator would never touch that
piece of crap called Carville. Who’s he shilling for now? Emanuel,
Shumer and Hillary’s crowd must be really blown away with the
Dean-Netroot success to be so desperate to stab us all so openly
and quickly. Let’s forget all this talk right now about bipartisanship with the Rethugs. There’s an internecine struggle going on right now in the Democratic party as to who is going to organize, fund raise, speak for and lead it to victory in 08. If the Democrats want to
regain the Presidency in 2008 this crap has to end quickly!
Oklahoma kiddo @
131
What an actor. Loved him.
Carville is a really ugly guy. So’s his wife. Both inside and out.
dipper @ 145
That link opened my “write mail,” which, if you look at the linky, I should have expected… Does his e-mail link to a site where it’s posted?
FirePups, I want to thank you. Every one of you.
There were times in the last year-plus when I truly worried; many of our beloved FirePups didn’t grok the DNC under Howard Dean, nor the 50-State Strategy. I know I had to explain and defend them quite often. I wouldn’t have wasted my time under Terry McAuliffe to do that…but then, I wasn’t an active party member under TerryMac but for weeks, until Dean became chair.
And now you get it. You get him. And you helped take down the first wave of Repugs that have tormented our country.
Thank you. I’m proud as a mother of you.
Carville is trashing Dean at the behest of the Clintons. The Clintons are furious that the Dems won on Tuesday, because it makes it harder for Hillary to do her triangulation crap in her upcoming presidential campaign. Her campaign in 2007/2008 was going to be about (you know the routine, folks) “the center, moderate, reaching across the aisle”, working together, blah, blah, all that shit we’ve heard too many times from those 2 turds. Now the Dems have Congress (even Lieberman has come back to the Dem fold, for what it’s worth), so that reaching across the aisle, bipartisan shit ain’t gonna work so well. And Hillary can’t openly campaign for a GOP Congress, now can she? Hillary’s fucked, and the Clintons know it.
new thread; more on Jamesy.
Grousefinder @ 151
But, but, he quotes the bible fur cripessake. How can ye be evil when ye quote the bible? Doncha blow up or something?
JohnSwifty @
163
Maybe not right away. God usually plays the “(I don’t believe this!) Don’t make me come over there.” game for a while.
A Tennessee caller to Sam Seder this morning said Ford’s loss was a win for the Democratic Party; said he personally couldn’t vote for Ford because he’d voted for the “lobbyist written” bankruptcy bill.
Anybody else see Ford on CNN on election day yakking about how much he loves girls and football and that he should be elected because when he’s a senator he won’t be emailing any little boy pages from the Senate floor? It was so weird and strange and uncalled for. Ford strikes me as a big homophobic phony.
F**k James Carville and to think I actually bought a couple of his books.
Carville can join Joe Klein in the Hall of Shame and take Bob Schrum with him.
The whole god-damned DLC gang can go piss up a rope. Their whole program for turning Democrats into Republicans is absolute poison for the Democratic Party. They’ve been the principle advisers for failed campaigns that should have been successful. They’re whole strategy of blurring the differences between the two parties came damn near ruining the Democratic Party.
Now we see them doing all in their power to destroy a winner.
The next netroots campaign ought to be aimed at trashing the DLC, Carville included.
yeah, when i was watching the various shows today regarding the “fallout” from the election, all i heard from the democratic establishment was glory be to rahm, and bah to dean… how rahm had the foresight and strategy that led to this wave, and dean is just a divider.. such bullshit…
goes to show that in many ways, the establishment democrats are more like the establishment republicans than they are to their activist base…it’s all about power, and to them this is the team they happen to be in.. it has nothing to do with the core issues that drive their “base” (used as if it’s a bad thing)…
we needed the establishment democrats as ballast to sail against the utter horror of the republicans, but these democrats can start looking might ugly pretty soon.. thank the gods that we have some people we’ve elected who look like they truly are worthy people- keeps hope alive..
I don’t know which would be worse — fucking Mary Matalin or fucking James Carville. The thought of touching either of these pieces of human garbage creeps me out.
The great existential question of the moment is — How can they fuck each other? May God grant pity to their offspring.
Has anyone considered the fact that All of the Clintonites not just Carville have been sniping at Howard Dean since the beginning of his tenure?
I’ve just finished writing emails to my current and former representatives in Congress soliciting their outright support for DNC chairman Howard Dean. I’m spamming this message in every blog I visit. http://www.dlc.org has a comments section at the bottom of its website. Post a comment there letting them know that trying to replace Howard Dean with Harold Ford will not fly.
Let them and your state, local, and federal representatives know that you stand behind Howard Dean and the Democratic National Committee and the Fifty State Strategy. James Carville, Al From, Harold Ford, and anyone who stands with them should be put on notice: We won’t have vultures swoop in to reap the spoils of our victory on November 7th.
Thanks for the Carville rant, Jane. I’m late to this party but there should be plenty of rumble left to go with the dips.
Isn’t funny how the same MSM that Carville panders to is the same force that gave unlimited MSM airtime to the negative Ford ad? That ad was pulled to prevent it from being aired and I wound up seeing it more than some commercials I like.
The honesty of Howard Dean scares the hell out of folks like Carville. I always found him entertaining to watch/hear, but I guess it’s in a ‘watching a chained, slathering bulldog being taunted by a smart-ass cat’.