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Howard Dean responds to Carville's bragadoccio (via spokeswoman Karen Finney):
After the Republicans have admitted to a thumping, why is it that the only one complaining on the Democratic side is James Carville, who today in addition to trashing Howard Dean, praised the RNC, the outfit that brought us the racist ad that defeated Harold Ford, James' supposed candidate for Chair?
Perhaps he's not aware that under Dean in this midterm election the DNC has raised record cash — all hard dollars — including three times as much from major donors, eight times as much online and made a $30 million investment in the '06 cycle, three times as much as the DNC put into the last midterm. Not to mention we made an $8m overhaul of our voter file which was successfully used in 47 states and through the 50 state strategy invested in states like Pennsylvania, Kansas, Indiana and Montana where we had critical victories on Tuesday.
Since Carville's wife Mary Matalin has been mentioned as possible future head of the RNC I think it's great he's offering suggestions about how the DNC should comport itself. Did he read Joe Conason's piece, entitled "Howard Dean Vindicated," and figure she just wasn't quite game enough to handle the competition? One has to wonder. He is no stranger to the inside job, after all.
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Howard Dean: WE sent the fuckin’ hobbits into Mordor, WE dropped the fuckin’ ring into the mountain, so the rest of you can KISS MY ASS!
Arianna on Olbermann saying there were three reason why Demos won: Iraq, Iraq and Iraq.
Beat them to death with this, Jane. Dean won this thing for the Dems, and I swear to God if they try to oust him, there will be HELL to pay.
I have not trusted Carville since he started sleeping with the ugly enemy. How can he possibly justify being married to someone so directly connected to an administration that has killed so many. We should shave his head. Oh, wait. . .
The point was raised in the last post that Mr. Carville has ‘been sleeping with the enemy’ for too long now.
Which, of course, means that he might now be suffering from and advanced case of Stockholm syndrome.
.
I wonder how “THE MATH” is working out for Karl Rove? heehee
Dean is the MAN !
Change the tune in DC
I’ve had a weird feeling about Mary Matalin lately. Okay, well weirder than normal, I guess. She doesn’t look good. She’s got some involvement in the Plame case, doesn’t she?
Shorter Carville: The yellow face, it burns us!
Speakout @
7
Um, isn’t that “teh” math? Just asking…
Speakout @ 7
Fuzzy ; )
You just can’t stop, can you, Jane?
Kicking a man while he’s down.
And you probably have your rapid lambs nibbling his ears off too.
C’mon, you’re gonna end up showing people that in 2006 Carville and Rover are both little men behind those curtains with those thunder machines, and when that’s discovered, there’ll be nothin’ for it except for Jamesy to stay home and watch over the kids while Mary the Mate (lin) goes to work at the RNC.
Do you really want those kids to grow up like that?
Cozumel @ 12
people! reminder: it’s teh Meth!
hee, hee – great pic, Jane!
thanks ;)
Dr. Dean takes no crap from anyone!
Twisted Martini — heh. Lord of the Roots.
Good stuff.
And thank you, Jane. So damned happy to see the ‘roots get Dean’s back.
It’s one thing to have to fight the party’s powermongers if you lose, but what does it say about these folks if they attack you when you win?
Or, put another way, does this mean that, like Repugs, they only smear that which they fear most?
.
Prof @ 13
if his head weren’t stuffed with grass, the lambs would ignore him….
Okay. It’s time to take Carville out back behind the woodshed and beat the crap out of him. Or, if we would rather be non-violent (hey, we’re torturing enough folks, we don’t need to add him) we can simply make it PERFECTLY, TOTALLY, UTTERLY AND UNMISTAKABLY CLEAR that he in no way ever, ever, EVER speaks for the Democratic party. If Faux News wants him, they’re welcome to him. He can hang out there with his wife and feel right at home….
Hey Balrog, go get yer whip-we need to learn Jimmy some manners
Marion in Savannah @ 20
I second that!!!!!!!!
So Carville is changing allegiance, eh? Good riddance, he can’t be gone fast enough. He had his moment and it’s long over. He’s been wrong more often than not over the last few years, IMHO, on prognostication and explanation. Plus, he just scares me. I don’t like it that he represents our side.
What a weird couple. They’re both so tightly wound I expect one or the other to explode at any moment.
Carville needs to be marginalized. He is not doing our party any good.
Somebody has got to tamp this thing out, pronto. It’s too soon after a huge victory to let this get into repeating news cycles. There is plenty of credit for Tuesday’s wins on all sides, but jesus what the hell is Carville thinking? What an idiot. Nice welcome to all the new people who voted Democratic, guys. It will be a reinforcement of the “no difference between Repub’s or Dem’s” meme, since all it seems Mr. Carville cares about is putting money and power front and center. Jerk.
I like this a lot:
Steve Jarding’s Memo to Mary Matalin
To: Mary Matalin
From: Steve Jarding
Re: Until you have run a race in Virginia, you might refrain from acting as an expert here.
Mary,
Yesterday, you sent out a statement from the Allen campaign commenting on Jim Webb and Virginia campaigns. A couple points.
1. You said that Jim Webb is running the “most personally negative campaign in Virginia history.” You even said that the Webb campaign has run “the worst attempt at character assassination in Virginia history.” That is rich Mary, even for you. And besides, how would you know? You have never run a campaign here. Until you have, I suggest you quit playing reporters for idiots. They see what has gone on here. Before you attempt to rewrite the history of this campaign, get your facts right. The truth is that this campaign has been the “most personally negative campaign in Virginia history” and this has been “the worst attempt at character assassination in Virginia history” because George Allen, not Jim Webb is waging it.
http://www.raisingkaine.com/sh…..aryId=5538
I did a little processing of the 440 names on the DNC, modifying each entry into only two columns, and sorted alphabetically.
Guess it’s too big for a comment, as it’s still waiting in moderation in the previous thread. But if someone wanted to use it to scour the net for e-mails, we might just have ourselves a useful little tool.
Twisted Martini @ 21
Just a small “southern-speak” correction… it’s not “learn,” it’s “larn”…
Carville. The Concern Troll
The DLC gave strong support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
“Still other critics believe the DLC has essentially become an influential corporate and right-wing implant in the Democratic party. Among the DLC’s leadership are individuals with impressive right-wing credentials, such as Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the DLC and the former legislative director for the Christian
Coalition…”
There’s more. Much more.
Forgot this:
Mary, the Allen campaign has repeatedly attempted to assassinate Jim Webb’s character, unfortunately for you and them, it is tough to kill someone when you are shooting blanks. Mary, you should have stopped these political Neanderthals before they destroyed your 2008 horse. But that race isn’t happening anymore now is it. And the truth is these guys are Neanderthals because they reflect their leader. And as you heard Jim Webb say on Saturday, “a fish rots from the head down.”
http://www.raisingkaine.com/sh…..aryId=5538
Carville is trashing Dean at the behest of the Clintons. The Clintons are furious that the Dems won on Tuesday, because it makes it harder for Hillary to do her triangulation crap in her upcoming presidential campaign. Her campaign in 2007/2008 was going to be about (you know the routine, folks) “the center, moderate, reaching across the aisle”, working together, blah, blah, all that shit we’ve heard too many times from those 2 turds. Now the Dems have Congress (even Lieberman has come back to the Dem fold, for what it’s worth), so that reaching across the aisle, bipartisan shit ain’t gonna work so well. And Hillary can’t openly campaign for a GOP Congress, now can she? Hillary’s fucked, and the Clintons know it.
SusanD @ 29
Oh. My. OH. MY…
What a FABULOUS meme to spread through “the tooobz.” Let’s all get on this RIGHT AWAY!
Prof, the mod left you a note about the list. It’s too long and won’t make it through the filters. Can you repost the list in segments, several comments?
Heres the next battle (from CNN):
We need to cover Murtha’s back.
Prof @ 27
I know a member here locally, and know his email. Though perhaps it would be more helpful for me to speak to him personally. Are they SERIOUSLY trying to get rid of Dean??
Let’s see, Dean has raised and distributed far more cash than anybody else in the history of Democratic politics and Carville is sniping away at him? That troll is establishment democrat through and through. All Carville did this midterm was comment, (and by that I mean said what his witch wife told him to), so just about everybody else did as much or more to get Democrats elected. I worked really hard in a red state, (Texas), with nobody’s money but my own, while holding down a full time job. Partly through those efforts we picked up 2 national House seats and several statehouse seats. If Carville wants to take on the net roots, then by all means he should feel free. I will act strongly to take him apart politically and I will be joined by millions of others. He needs to shut his filthy mouth and stop trying to sow dissent in the midst of OUR victory. Our victory….not his.
Dean walked right into that vipers nest knowing full well what he was up against.
But he also knew that the Democratic Party was doomed if it didn’t change significantly. Dean has shown the entrenched Dem power elite what happens when people have the power (the Dems win and win big) and it scares them witless. Just like it did when Ned won the primary.
Apparently, Bill, Hill, Rahm, Chuck and James will do whatever they can to stop Dean, who advocates decentralization and people power. The naked aggression against men of integrity like Ned and Howard makes me sick to my stomach.
Chilling to see that Smeagol leer appear on my screen unexpectedly like that.
I agree about Murtha. Jack may not be a flaming liberal, but he’s got balls of steel and isn’t afraid to stand up for what he believes in. Hoyer is a DLC tool.
Twisted Martini @
2
ahem
(I always loved this image)
This just keeps getting better each day! People’s true colors are shining through. Let the Great DINO purge of ‘06 continue!!
There is a lot of discussion here of the Clintons and what these elections may mean for them. With regard to all that and its connection to the netroots and the blogosphere, have there been any Peter Daou sightings?
Arianna on Olbermann, likes Murtha.
“my press-chie-us”
kemo @ 35
Absolutely. What can we do?
What kinda drugs does it take to spin Triump into failure? I’m serious hardcore hates their life junkies might care only about POWER/I mean getting high but at that level they keep trying to score to REMEBER THE PAST/CHASING OLD HIGHS that no amount of drugs will ever bring back.Which might explain why James is so resentful of Dean. Dean has a future, Dean isn’t acting like he believes his hype, Dean hasn’t run out of ideas, wait James is on drugs! he has to be! when was the last time he had a creative idea?
LindaR, that picture is fabulous!
I just showed the 2 pictures of Carville and his twin to my 10 year old son (who is a hardcore Ringer) and he laughed his ass off! You nailed it Jane!
At the link is a 12 page report published yesterday.
From CQ Weekly: The ‘08 Race for the White House Begins
snip
Hillary Rodham Clinton is set to inherit the bulk of her husband’s constellation of political stars, James Carville first among them. And John Edwards has won the services of a top rural strategist, Dave “Mudcat” Saunders. But many of the major Democratic operatives, while quietly placing their bets on potential candidates, are hedging those bets until Clinton makes a final decision on whether to run.
On the Republican side, John McCain is mainly sticking with the team he assembled for his run in 2000 and has added some interesting names on the policy front, among them former Clinton administration drug czar Barry McCaffrey. Mitt Romney, though, scored a coup in signing on Mike Murphy, who was McCain’s top adviser last time. George Allen attracted the services of GOP super-nova Mary Matalin and former Republican Party Chairman Ed Gillespie.
But nobody has won the biggest prize of all in this subcampaign — the ear of Karl Rove, the president’s longtime political Svengali, who has painstakingly avoided even hinting at who he might help, or even whether he will join the fray at all.
http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2006…..YQQo30ceMQ
What can we do to help Murtha? Can we contact are dem house reps (new and old) and let them know whom we support? That might be the most direct.
Especially those new reps should hear from the citizens that worked so hard for them to get into office. They might get to D.C. and be overwhelmed and ‘pushed’ to go along with the entrenced power.
Here in MN, only Walz won in southern MN I believe. I am not in his district but we can find someone who is.
kemo @ 35
Amen. Another thought: What if Carville is the canary in the coal mine for Hillary? Are they testing to see how firm support is for Dean? I agree that the 50 state strategy must have scared the piss out of them because it’s a glaring repudiation of the blue dog power base. Maybe they just want to see what they are up against in this next cycle. If that’s the case, I think they’re getting a nice clear answer to that question…
Looks like St John has thrown his hat in the ring. Big fukkin’ surprise.
Who is that ugly MF Carville shilling for now? Emanuel, Shumer and Hillary’s crowd must be really blown away with the Dean-Netroot success to be so desperate to stab us all so openly and quickly. Let’s forget all this talk right now about bipartisanship with the Rethugs. There’s an internecine struggle going on right now in the Democratic party as to who is going to organize, fund raise, speak for and lead it to victory in 08. Sometimes you just have to go after the rats in your own house first. This is a fight for the soul of the Democratic
party. If the Hillary crowd thinks it can keep triangulating with the
Republicans and out platform them then they are just like that
Haggard fellow whoring and snorting. My dog Jake tonight tells
me Jane is right on in biting down on that rat-bastard till there’s
no pulse in the corpse.
That’s right! Call Carville out!
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin @ 32
Oh, I hear you. That’s probably why Carville did the sabotage in 2004, otherwise Hillary wouldn’t have been able to run in 2008 anyway. And while we’re throwing wildass Friday night ideas around, who did kill Vince Foster, anyway?
JohnSwifty @ 55
An overdose of Rush’s hillbilly heroin.
Hugh @ 43
I was wondering about that just today, as I read David Sirota’s post mortem on the Lamont campaign.
Where is Peter Daou??? Do they have him gagged and tied up in some trunk somewhere?
bonkers @ 46
Identify, verify and gleefully publicize opposition research on Hoyer.
The DLC are such whores (apologies to sex workers) – with “corruption” issue # 2 on Tuesday, Hoyer is a target-rich environment.
Blergh research!
Hi Sam! Grrrrrrr, go get ‘em, Jake!
The DLC (Democratic Losers Committee) is all about a sense of superiority and entitlement. They’re quite sure that we are uninformed, ignorant, unwashed masses who don’t know what’s good for us.
They don’t want us involved. They want to rule, not represent. They don’t care whether they’re right or wrong, as long as they get to call the shots.
And Hillary can kiss my …….
Okay. Hillary has about as much chance of being elected President as I do. Let her stay in the Senate and do her job. Any “consultant,” or “expert,” or “insider” who says she has any fricking chance in hell of being elected needs to be taken out and shot. Or at least taken outside of the Beltway and asked to talk to the real, honest-to-Pete VOTERS who live outside the Beltway. Crap.
How do we pound a stake into the heart of her candidacy?
Josh at TPM has already started keeping tab of the democrat leaders who are taking big positions and their history of being clean of scandal OR NOT. On that list were Murtha because of his earmarks and Hoyer for some big time dealing.
I’m looking forward to seeing the goopers tear each other to pieces as they point fingers at one another.
Guess the dems are gonna do some of that too. Don’t know if this is common for a winning party- maybe so.
I’m sanguine in any event. Clusterfuckism is dead- and that was the main target.
Hillary won’t make the cut- wouldn’t have in any event- but having the media set her up as a front runner years before the race guarantees it- (and they know that).
Edwards- or a sitting governor.
Twisted Martini @ 56
Well, somebody must have hit him with a heater later to make it look more manly…I’m not saying Hillary…I wouldn’t want to start a shameless rumor.
Oh the other hand, I did hear Tucker Carlson eats his own boogers.
Who is that ugly MF Carville shilling for now?
Uh, Jim Carville? If he can’t get someone to spring for his nonsense he’s going to be out of the big bucks next year.
LindaR @ 41
Former chairs of the DLC:
President Bill Clinton
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut
Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma
Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana
Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia
Sen. Charles Robb of Virginia
Former House Democratic Leader Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri.
Balrog, was it you who recommended Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking? Listening to it now…
Dean’s great- and apparently did a great job this election. Hope he stays. Would love to see him run again- but I think he promised not to. My fave of the current crop.
On the other hand- WATCH TESTER!
Judging from the picture, Carville’s appearance has improved dramatically. Or is that Mary Matalin? If so, she looks about the same as before.
Congrats fdl for 22,000,000 site visits.
[yay stat geeks!]
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
Well. That tells me pretty much all I need to know.
SusanD says…
“And Hillary can kiss my …….”
Good ol’ fashioned plain speaking. I like it.
HaHaHa! Jane! nailed it. I don’t often email blog posts around, but this one is kikas. I’ve been a Carville fan (and a closet Matalin fan in the hetero-guy sense) but he’s now just fuky-fuk. As Thom Hartmann is saying today, many Democrats are now targets. The sun is just peeking over the horizon. yee ha! Dr. Governor Dean was correct in strategery. Foresight. He foretold about Iraq, too, if that counts…
Lindy @ 67
Try this one?
Olbermann paying tribute to Palance.
I have always found Carville entertaining- never took him too seriously. He’s a good attack dog- when he’s attacking someone you want attacked.
GrandmaJ @ 62
I believe Melanie Sloane, of CREW has reported on Murtha and Hoyer- also Byrd.
Oklahoma kiddo @
68
Note that there’s really only one without a sort of geographical excuse (Indiana is “up South”, more like Kentucky or Missouri culturally, even more so than rural Illinois).
rwcole @ 78
Yeah, well… But you know what we do with dogs who bite their masters, don’t you?
The pic at the top. Is that Carville on a four day speed binge?
This may seem a bit of a change of pace, but here’s an absolutely appalling, in a car-wreck-with-body-parts-hanging-from-guard-rails kind of way, “music” video that’s sweeping the Internets this PM. If you’re a U2 fan, it will instantly trigger a gag reflex or worse. You have been warned….
So why isn’t this a non sequitur? Well, first, imagine the song in this video embodies all things good and progressive. Next, imagine how the DLC and other entrenched Gollums might render it….
With no further ado: WATCH ME AND DESPAIR!
Marion in Savannah @ 81
Send them to Abu Ghraib for ‘interrogation’ training?
dab from CT,
As I’m sure you remember, Jane, Christy, and some of the other usual (blogger) suspects met with Bill Clinton earlier this summer. It was seen as an outreach to the blogosphere on the part of Bill for Hillary, and Peter Daou, I think, had a lot to do with setting that up. I was curious if that was a one off or if there was any followup. If Jane or Christy thought it was worth it, I for one would be interested in an update.
Twisted Martini @
21
Crap, I loaned it to Ted Haggard and he hasn’t returned it.
Just the fact that Carville would rain on our parade right now is enough to cast him out out out — the barf bag and his douch bag wife.
A friend of mine and I used to joke about the criterial that determines a Southern state.
1. Mello Yello still available.
2. Biscuits and gravy available in restaurants other than Bob Evans and Cracker Barrel.
3. Krispy Kreme Donuts ( not applicable anymore.)
Indiana is definitely a southern state, the Klan ran all the “ethnics” out in the 20’s.
From a 2005 HuffPo article by David Sirota:
About Rove and ‘teh meth’ — his quote posted last thread (something like “I underestimated the numbers voting on corruption.”) is remarkably similar to “Who could have inagined/anticipated…”
Just sayin’.
Twin Planets @ 83
AAACCCKKK! that is just awful….
Perhaps it’s time for Carville to “Ramble On”…
Twisted Martini @ 88
Twisted, you missed the big one: Grits, they just come with!
Twin Planets @ 83
That is so wrong in so many ways. Well, you did warn me. :(
ThatSinger @ 92
he already found the queen of all his dreams
and now he’s singing his song
Oklahoma kiddo @
82
Actually, that’s Carville after a good night’s sleep…
Dr. Dean and the net roots deserve a huge thank you from the beltway Dem’s and here they are playing the same games as the buzzards across the aisle. Harold Ford representing me? Never!!! I don’t agree with anything he says. He is not a Democrat to my thinking. Deans contributions were from lots of us little people, and here in Tx I appreciate any attention to the fact that we Dems are here after being ignored for years. Perry (Gov.)won with only 39%of the vote. Some mandate. Our time is coming! We need to watch out, Hoyer is none to clean and Murtha was very brave about speaking out about Iraq but not about veterans benefits etc…voted with the repugs on way to many important things and he’s one of the pork kings!!! We have to continue to exert every pressure because the beltway guys are ready to blow us off now that we helped give them the election. The fight has only just begun.
LindaR @ 76
Yep! I love that picture!
Rover’s tryin to say that it was the congressional goopers fault that the election was lost cause they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar- not Clusterfuck’s for engineering one of the biggest military defeats in the history of the republic.
Congressional goopers may tear off his balls.
punaise @ 95
Hard to believe he went around the world and found THAT girl…
Brel1 @ 87
Is Joe WinnerMan even dumping on Dems these days? I doubt it. Scared ‘ta.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin @ 32
We just had this conversation at our house …. this is twisted.
Oklahoma kiddo @
77
Salute!
Baghdad Cafe (Out of Rosenheim). City Slickers. Contempt (Le Mépris).
I always thought him a conspicuously intelligent actor. Maybe the Hollywood folks thought his strong looks were a problem and didn’t cast him as interestingly as they should have—over at imdb I see a lot of other European films besides Contempt. FWIW, I once knew someone with similar height and bone structure, in brown complexion—gorgeous!
I sent an e-mail to the DNC stating that I will withdraw my 10$ a month donation if Dean is ousted. Nuff said.
Twin Planets @ 83
I lasted 1 minute, 28 seconds. Do I win the prize??? There is a prize, isn’t there? OOOHHHHH NNOOOOOOOOO…. You mean I threw away 1 minute 28 seconds of my life for NOTHING??? Oh, the humanity….
Twisted Martini @ 88
When I was stationed there in the late `60s, Indianapolis just amazed me. Still remember one Saturday afternoon seeing the KKK Grand Dragon cruising around in his white Cadillac with the Klan shield on the door. 57% of the city’s population then was black, but there was a white mayor and an all-white city council.
Indianapolis had a ton of churches… and just as many whorehouses. A really racist and schizophrenic place back then….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
if the guy at mydd.com wrote an obituary it would be the Palance of Bowers
How can we make it clear to Carville and company that we won’t take the DLC’s coup d’etat against Dean lying down? For Christ sake, we just had a win and how many times did all of us contribute? In addition to Act Blue, many of us also donated to “Give em Hell Harry” and other Democratic causes. Really, I know a lot of us here were sick of loosing and if Carville is going to represent the party, then why would we stay? Dean is about winning, the DLC is not. After all, the DLC types only want us around when they want us to be their ATM. Personally, if they get rid of Dean, I’m gone (Green). I’d much rather fight for what I believe in with the Greens, than to fight a loosing campaign for a bunch of loosers (like Carville) that I don’t believe in and will only hand power to the Republicans anyway. In business (and Repug politics) you don’t invest in something that is going to squander your $$$$!
Also, shouldn’t we make it clear that Hillary is unacceptable? After all, she doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell against the Repugs and she can take Kerry to the sidelines with her. I don’t know about anyone here, but if Kerry or Hillary (or a Carville candidate) are our horses in 08, my wallet stays in my pocket.
Twisted Martini @ 88
Well, and there’s always the 4 Southern Food Groups:
Grits, greens, grease and gravy….
Just about ANYTHING you’ll find to eat down here will fall into one or more.
kirk murphy @
19
Not sure how to take that. ;)
This is all very confusing.
James Carville worked to elect Bill Clinton, but not to help the Democratic party.
Clinton worked to help Lieberman, but not to help the Democratic nominee.
Lieberman helped Lieberman, but not to help his party.
Carville is floating ideas that would help Mrs. Clinton, but not help the Democratic Party.
Carville once betrayed a confidence and undercut the Democratic Presidential nominee, and thus hurt the Party.
Carville presents himself as a representative of the Democratic Party, and CNN constantly uses him for “balance” based on that representation, but then James never says anything that actually represents the Party or helps the Democratic Party.
Now Carville is trying to split the Party and hurt the Democratic Chairman, who helped engineer a great Democratic victory, and to replace him with someone who does not reflect the core values of the Democratic Party, and who lost badly in a Democratic year.
I say, let Mr. Carville say anything he wants, if anyone will listen to him; but I think the Democratic Party should say that Mr. Carville does not represent the Democratic Party and does not speak for them and does not even appear to share its values. So please, CNN and others, if you want someone to represent the Democrats, call Howard Dean, who is the actual spokeman for the Party; stop allowing Mr. Carville to pretend to be the “Democratic” spokesman or analyst or adviser on your talk shows, because he is none of those.
James Carville doesn’t represent us, and there is no reason for anyone to listen to him.
Speakout @
94
Can you imagine sitting through that meeting? I wouldn’t have made it without projectile vomiting.
I love the dynamic here since Wednesday morning.
Lest anyone think we are one-trick ponies, think again. We are fearsome foe to enemies and to those in sheep’s (lambs’) clothing who wrong us.
Carville is the first; let’s make an example of him.
scarecrow @ 110
Scarecrow, I humbly apologize for my thoughtlessness. I was a complete blockhead….
Colleen @ 104
Good idea. They’ll lose my $25 too.
nicemonster @ 51
I don’t believe Carville’s recent rude noises were a genuine attempt at a coup within the Democratic Party. If he were serious, he would have worked undercover as long as possible, not issued a press release and tipped off Dean and Dean’s supporters only a couple of days after the party organization led by Dean won a great victory. So perhaps the theory that it was a trial balloon, not a frontal assault, may have some merit. In any event, I hope he catches hell for it.
Marion in Savannah @ 109
Don’t forget the sweet tea (pronounced “Swate Tay”) to wash it all down.
kirk murphy — don’t worry; anyone silly enough to call themselves scarecrow has no right to complain and probably doesn’t get it anyway. And there are no blockheads here.
re: Baghdad Cafe. One of the greatest songs ever comes from that film. I am calling youuuuuuuu…
Prof @
13
I am a rabid lamb, not rapid. I nibbled ears. Well, one ear. It took me a while but this is what I wrote. Note: I didn’t want to sound too proper so he’d know I was unwashed as well as rabid.
Some questions about the Lamont vote numbers and Giordano’s (who previously ran against Lieberman) being the same. Strange coincidence
or what? You may be interested in taking a look:
Are there any statisticians in the house?
http://securingamerica.com/ccn…..ent-153006
scarecrow @ 117
i’m glad of that – after commenting, i worried i’d goofed again :)
Speakout @ 116/6:10,
Well, I’ll have to admit I’m a fan of “sweet tea.” I’ve always been a tea drinker, and if you’ve ever tried to dissolve sugar in iced tea you’ll understand what work it can be. HOWEVER, even as a kid who used to eat suger by the spoonful they REALLY overdo the sweetening in a lot of places. Not that it would have anything to do with the rates of obesity and diabetes here, would it? Nah…
kirk murphy @ 121
only blogheads here
ccmask @
49
Has-been heroes fighting the last war. You suppose they’ll stick with cavalry or go for bi-planes?
who could have anticipated that there was a new thread?
HotFlash @ 124
WE MUST REBUILD THE MAGINOT LINE… mustn’t we?
HotFlash @ 124
Ah’m hopin’ that they all hitch their stars to submarines….
James Carville needs to shut the fuck up.
Hey Marion @ 114 here’s a link via mydd
A threat (Chris): If Howard Dean is ousted as DNC chair, I will start a campaign for all small donors and all netroots actiivsts to stop giving money to the DNC, DSCC, DCCC, DLCC and NGA. This is not an idle threat. Democratic parties and committees will lose tens of millions of dollars every year if they do this. Count on it.
Update: Here’s the DNC Charter. The answer to ‘how Dean could be removed’ is if a majority of the Democratic National Committee members vote to remove him. If anyone wants to get a majority of DNC members to voice public support of Dean, that would be the way to tell Carville and co. to STFU.
Prof @
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Prof, I’d be happy to search while I’m on hold and stuff. If you want to e-mail me (or it to me) at webmistress at thelorekeeper dot com. I also have some webspace and a quiet blog that could be used to store a copy if people want to stop in and whittle away at it.
montag @ 127
Montag, hoooooohoooo!
ooops, try this http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/10/134326/75
rwcole @
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Yes, it’s called jockeying for position.
Marion in Savannah @ 105
I watched/listened to the whole thing. But then, I am not familiar with the U2 song which, I assume, this abomination plays off of and trashes. Can anyone describe its content to me?
punaise @ 107
punaise, that is one of your best.
Possible action plan to reaffirm support for Dean:
1) Make a donation to the DNC on 17-NOV — Dr. Dean’s birthday. Earmark it with “Happy Birthday!”. If we had a surge in donations that day, it’d be crystal clear it was about him. And Dean could spend it on organizers for the following year.
2) Contact each of the DNC delegates from your state this week and affirm your support for Dean. Don’t bring up Carvill; just state your position on Dean’s chairmanship and whether you believe he’s been effective in his efforts for your state’s party.
Both ought to make it clear to those who are looking where our loyalties lie.
This is the kind of effort that got Dean elected to DNC chair, too, I might add.
i never liked carville or his ice cream.
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You tell him, Howard! Carvelle sold us out in 2004 so, I hardly think he has any credibility.
You are a genius.
President Bill Clinton
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut
Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma
Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana
Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia
Sen. Charles Robb of Virginia
Former House Democratic Leader Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri.
Half of them are retired from politics, the other half should be…
All DLCers…
President Bill Clinton
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut
Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma
Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana
Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia
Sen. Charles Robb of Virginia
Former House Democratic Leader Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri.
Half of them are retired from politics, the other half should be…
Marion in Savannah @ 109
Co’ Cola.
thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing up the ‘inside man’ aspect. we should all be reminded of this every time Carville’s shriveled, talking head appears on the tv screen.
He’s as irrelevant as his wife & does
more damage to the Dem’s image than any wingnut out there.
Aside from the fact that Carville resembles a cadaver, I couldn’t help feeling that in his appearance Tuesday evening on CNN as part of a panel (co-starring Bill (Blimpy) Bennett, who looked like he would burst open at any moment, giving “birth,” as it were, to a host of Bennettlings right there on prime time teevee) that he seemed utterly disconnected and totally incapable of saying anything even remotely interesting.
rwcole @ 70
Why isn’t Grover Norquest in jail?
I didn’t even know who Jon Tester was until Election Eve.(sorry, I’m from Northern N.Y.)After doing some research and seeing him in interviews, I like him alot…very humble, gracious and intelligent.
First impression~~~~YES…he will go far.
F*ck your wife, don’t F* your party. The guy has no interest in the real party nor the real ideals to resolve the nations’a problems. James Carville is interested in one thing and that is his own beltway ego. Hopefully those days are soon gone..
#141…amen on your Indiana statement. Midwestern hicks, for the most part….
Pay no more attention to Mr. Matalin.
Gosh, keep tossing those endearments like “midwestern hicks” my way.
I am not sure what amazes me more:
1. the fear that Dean inspires
2. the threat that he is to the status quo
3. the sheer laziness and stupidity of the punditry
4. how much they are paid for their stupidity
5. the laziness and insularity of the mainstream media
6. how many of them are bought and paid for
7. the cesspool our capitol has become
8. the fact that the american people were able to see through the constant babel of misinformation and get mad as hell and make the first move to clean out the cesspool.
Carville is a repug mole. It was such a clever cover. Firebrand southern liberal, smart of brain and mouth. Rove had his inside man. But it’s all over now. See you around, Jimmy.
A “Thank You Dr. Dean Bat” has been put up by a blogger on Dailykos for contributions to the DNC.
After making my donation, I e-mailed the DNC telling them that my contribution was in made in honor of the very late James Carville, formerly a Democratic campaign consultant. Others may wish to do likewise.
To the best of my knowledge, Carville is not a member of the Democratic National Committee, and thus has no say in who chairs the DNC.
The majority of qualified DNC voters are the various state chairpersons, vice chairpersons and state political leaders.
Since Dean’s 50 state strategy has paid for full time field workers and trainers in each of our individual states, for which state parties are extremely grateful, it is highly unlikely that the majority of DNC members would pay the slightest attention to Carville’s pimping for Ford. I’m sure that, after the tremendous success of the 50 state strategy this week, Dean’s position is quite safe.
What might be helpful though would be to ask all Democratic National Committee members and all state congressional representatives to publicly support John Murtha for House majority leader. DLC member Hoyer is definitely not a supporter of giving state parties more money and more power.
Obviously, DNC members don’t have a vote in the matter, but their support for Murtha could sway some critical House voters.
Howard Dean’s bold “fifty-state strategy” told all Democrats and even the Republicans that the Democratic Party was not going to concede any race in any district to the Republicans.
Now, I know that in some districts no Democrat ran against the incumbent Republican, just as in other districts no Republican ran against the incumbent Democrat, but it was the PERCEPTION that Howard Dean offered that was important.
In other words, Howard Dean rallied Democrats around the nation with his PERCEIVED nationwide strategy…which is exactly what was necessary to win the House and Senate back from the “culture of corruption” Republicans.
Anything less would have been seen as a sign of doubt on the part of Democrats, and portrayed as a sign of weakness by the Republicans.
Thus, Howard Dean’s “fifty-state strategy” was a brilliant strategem that actually led to Democrats winning seats in places no one would have ever imagined they could win…except Howard Dean.
Therefore, thank you Howard Dean for giving Democrats hope, a hope that translated into nationwide action, leading to the Democrats sweeping Congress. Thank you.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin: you is right. I don’t care if you ain’t on AAR anymore – don’t call yrself a goblin dear. Yr more like a, mmm, grindylow?
Anyway, I near pissed myself when I saw the Smeagol pic above. Cause it looks like Carville. Is is he sick? Is he jonesing for “the ring”? Or is he just carrying water for beltway Democrats who realize the gong has rung and a big giant hook is coming their way, and the toll on his soul has become visible?
Regardless, I ain’t gonna put up with it. Local Democrats got plenty of local insight, and will reflect back to the national party, whether they want it or not, that we have lots of good policy, populist programs to support. Raising minimum wage is an excellent start (keep in mind, it’s not a pay raise for do-nothings, it’s a keep-the-same-pay for America’s poor, who haven’t done very well in the Bush years (come to think of it, aside from your personal anectdotes, we’ve all been fucked in the last 6 years, except the richest %0.01… If that’s American Capitalism, we should all move to Nigeria!
The next two years are going to be weird. Because it’s going to be populist pushback – from the whole political spectrum – against the “Insiders” desperate to hold on to power….
Face it, aside from the “gays and abortions” dead enders, who are probably 10% of the population, the rest of the country would really like to see us make some actual progress on the things we all agree on (and there are so many I can’t go down that road right now…)
I say shave his head anyway. That might make way for sense to infiltrate.
JC was at one time semi-amusing, as maybe the primary sharp-speaking non-PC non-Republican. Maybe even briefly useful, though probably not all that important. But he’s become at the least a pain. His domestic alliance more or less renders him a spoof.
More fundamentally, Dean is a far more important part of this recent victory than Rahm. We might need some tuning, but internecine warfare as JC is suggesting is stupid indeed.
i wouldn’t pretend to know whether or not howard dean has ulterior motives in the work he has done so magnificently, but, it seems at least that he has been working for the good of democrats everywhere. it seems that he has been very pragmatic, and the consequences of his pragmatism are that political power in this country seems to have shifted somewhat away from the beltway and into the hands of those of us who are willing to stand up and demand something better than what the vast majority of Americans have been getting for far too long.
who’d a thunk it? james carville, fuckwad, cheney, rove, rahm, hillary, mehlman, schumer, all of these people have recognized the sound of thunder. we’ve got a large scale, slow motion, barroom brawl on our hands. watch out for people with broken whiskey bottles and pieces of furniture in their hands. keep howard’s back, and keep organizing on the local level.
dean had a brilliant idea and now we have the proof of it. it can continue to work because of it’s simplicity. we can continue to kick republican butt if we recognize that the big tent democratic party has to be a big tent. we cannot demand that every progressive idea be enacted into law. as many people who voted against the democrats even this time are proof of that. what we can do, what we can truly agree on we should place foremost. above all else:
1. honesty
2. don’t be greedy
3. care about working people
4. care for the old and the poor
5. let science and the world of ideas flourish
and most importantly,
6. protect the constitution.
the rest will follow if, and when, it is the will of the people.
Sounds like it’s time to Googlebomb James Carville if you ask me. Let’s go!
I’ve just finished writing emails to my current and former representatives in Congress soliciting their outright support for DNC chairman Howard Dean. I’m spamming this message in every blog I visit. http://www.dlc.org has a comments section at the bottom of its website. Post a comment there letting them know that trying to replace Howard Dean with Harold Ford will not fly.
Let them and your state, local, and federal representatives kniow that you stand behind Howard Dean and the Democratic National Committee. James Carville, Paul Begala, Al From, Harold Ford, and anyone who stands with them should be put on notice: We won’t have vultures swoop in to reap the spoils of our victory on November 7th.
Carville is talking like this for a couple of reasons. I haven’t heard yet that Mary Matlin, his wifey, was going to get bumped to head the RNC, but that sounds like a reason for Carville to trash Howard Dean to me. (Competition) Carville and his good buddy Emanuel are the quintessential Clintonistas. This trash talk is just in the primary stages. It’s the big machine getting in gear for Hillary Clinton ‘08. Dean was in their way in ‘04 and seems to be again in their way for ‘08. Democrats all over the nation won because of Howard Dean’s vision. Now, the Clintonistas want to present the country with a presidential loss in ‘08 as certitude should the Hildebeast run. They don’t understand. They can’t ride the wave with her. Her running will guarantee a republican WIN and another 4 more years in the White House. Carville, Emanuel need to be retired. And Hillary needs to stay in New York.
I’m impressed after all this time that Dr. Dean hasn’t rolled over for the big dawgs and still tells it like it is.
Today I would vote for Pelosi over Hillary.
Tester has come across as the most sincere of the victors I have seen. He took care of Matthews with intelligence and good humor. A sight to behold.
nicemonster @
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Best comment of the bunch
Perhaps, but those of us who elected Jim Webb here in Virginia could give a rat’s ass who is responsible for getting the win, we’re wanting results from the Dems, solid results that are in line with Virginia’s values.