
(Photo of Jon Tester on election night by Reuters/Brian McDermott. This is such a great shot, and really captures the enthusiasm not just of Tester, but what I've been feeling in our comments for weeks about the work that everyone has done this election cycle. Enjoy the grin and the win!)
I was on a conference call yesterday with Speaker-to-Be Nancy Pelosi (and how fun is it to type those words after such a great Democratic victory on Tuesday?), along with a number of other progressive bloggers including Howie and Pach. We talked about particular issues of interest, including the need for reforms and accountability on a host of subjects from Iraq and war profiteering through to earmarks and election reforms. I was doing this call from the Cleveland airport — giving the wingnutty older gentleman next to me the fits, as he peered at me over the latest O'Reilly "literature" when I started my comment with "congratulations, Madame Speaker…". (You have to take your fun where you can, when you've gotten three hours sleep and are running on espresso fumes.)
After the call, I dropped into the comments here, and I wanted to be certain that what I said didn't get lost, because it is really important for all of you to understand just how important your work was in this election cycle — and how much the folks who sit in the power chairs really do understand that they owe those seats to all of you:
I just got off the phone with Speaker-elect Pelosi. She said to tell everyone thank you so much for everything….
Nancy Pelosi has been doing these calls on a semi-regular basis for a while. This isn’t something new. That she took time to do one today [Wednesday], however, with all of the media rush and work on her plate was both gracious and telling on how she truly does understand and value the contribution that all of you made in this election. And I wanted to be certain that you all knew about it this evening — because you guys earned it and then some.
These calls are nothing new. Nancy Pelosi has been doing leadership reach-out to bloggers over the last year, and I've been on calls with her and her staffers a lot over the past few months discussing the House leadership's strategies and issues that they felt were important.
I don't say this to brag about phone calls (gah, no!), but as an illustration that some folks in the Democratic leadership — be it Pelosi or Howard Dean or folks in Russ Feingold's office or any number of many, many others — truly understand that having a direct connection to bloggers, who have a direct connection to readers who are real people facing real issues on a daily basis…well, that is an awfully valuable perspective, and one that by-passes the whole KStreet "pay to play" mentality that has dominated the Republican-controlled Congress the last few years. And it gives the politicians a chance to talk to folks who aren't just sucking up to them for power or some other personal gain purpose, but who are honest and "tell it like it is" (sometimes way more than they want to hear!) — which they need and want, frankly, given how much of a bubble they live in inside the Beltway.
There are a lot of issues on which all of us are hoping for accountability. Individually, we probably rank them in differing order, but for me, re-establishing a firm grounding in the rule of law, the Constitution, and the separation of powers between the branches of government so that we are no longer operating as a parliamentary rubber stamp as the Republicans have done the last six years are at the top of my own list.
The Democratic leadership is not going to have an easy job of it. Unlike the Republican caucus, leading the Democratic caucus has always been a whole lot like herding really cranky cats. We run the gamut from the ultra-conservative Blue Dogs to the ultra liberal folks from all over.
On the House side, first Pelosi has to get elected Speaker. Although we all expect that to happen, she can't take it for granted. Then, the Democrats have to get legislation passed — and they aren't always going to do it the way we want — but it will be a LOT more in line with our philosophy than what we've been seeing.
I think now is a good time to take a step back and a deep breath and give Pelosi a few days to get things set up the way they need to be done to lay the foundation for a number of things. They have a LOT of things to tackle…but will only be able to do it one step at a time. We need to give her and the rest of the Democratic leadership, including a whole lot of folks who are in line to be very effective committee chairs, a little space to actually govern, while holding them to the principles that we all hold to be important. We don't set accountability aside because we won the election — but we also should not start eating our own right out of the gate.
(And yes, I know that sounds funny after my smack Rahm around article from yesterday, but damn — a backstabbing quote the day after the election was just wrong on his part.)
As for the Senate, things are still a bit up in the air as to how the leadership will or will not be able to really lead and, to be completely honest, I have no clue what any of us can expect from Joe Lieberman. And I think that folks on both sides of the aisle are thinking the same thing. Which is pretty much what Joe Lieberman wants, isn't it?
Honestly, though, this is a time for a little pause to let them regroup and consolidate — we push our favorite agenda issues, but we don't rip our side apart and make demands and have tantrums, because to do so weakens their ability to negotiate with the other side. Whether we like it or not, governance is, in some measure for some things, about compromise. Advocacy is about standing on principle. We need to start being smarter about how we marry the two in order to get what we want — and to allow them to get what they want and need as well. It's going to be an interesting dance the next few weeks.
Remember, the President has to sign off on legislation…or we have to have a veto-proof majority, and we don't have the numbers to pull that off on our own without…wait for it…more compromise and negotiation. Interesting dance, indeed, but one that I am going to thoroughly enjoy watching as the Democrats are able to lead this tango instead of having to follow.
Let's all take a little time today to enjoy and savor the victory, though. We earned this one — together.
What I wish Rahm and some of the other media hounds had been saying all along is that the Democratic party is smart enough and strong enough to put their own individual philosophical differences aside to push toward the greater good for all of America.
What we can all agree on — no matter our perspective or political persuasion — is that there needs to be more accountability for elected officials. That sunshine is a good thing in goverment, and that the public has a right to know not only what their representatives are doing, but that they ought to also be told why it is being done. That corruption is bad, and bribery and self-dealing and rampant cronyism will no longer be tolerated.
That what we all want, most of all, is for our elected officials to do their jobs — keeping in mind that they work for all of us, and that it is our benefit and our wishes, not those of their election financial backers, that ought to count for a whole lot.
And that this Democratic victory means that a majority of folks in America have had enough and that they want a whole lotta change for the better. Never forget that we are going to be watching. Our side doesn't get a pass any more than we've given one to the other side. But at the same time, let's all take a deep breath and allow the Democratic leadership a chance to lead.
I have a very good feeling that we are all going to like where things are going, come January.
UPDATE: Allen will be holding a presser at 3 pm ET — Webb to follow afterward. Looks like Allen is going to concede in VA. (Is Burns going to finally do the same in Montana?)
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FITZ!
Mr. Fitzgerald…you may now accelerate your engines.
Agreed! We can’t do anything without a strong foundation.
I was on a conference call yesterday with Speaker-to-Be Nancy Pelosi
Christy, ma’am! Just a minute while I tell the Prince of Wales to call you a taxi!
EPU’d and OT:
David Brooks, http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..amp;emc=th spins the Democratic victory as all about the blue dogs and a repudiation of the liberal bloggers:
And:
Looks like we still have our work cut out to convince the party that the victory really came from the left, not from the center.
Oh gee, what a marvelous picture of Sen. Tester!
Lest aught of our words die unseen (from last thread)—
prostratedragon @
149
I cannot say enough thank-yous to the folks who rocked this election. Thank you Christy, thank you Jane, than you TRex, Thank you Pack, thank you Jamie, thank you Matt, thank you Firedogs everywhere.
We shall rock, we have rocked, we will have rocked, we will continue to rock. We rock on!
Allen will be holding a presser at 3 pm ET — Webb to follow afterward. Looks like Allen is going to concede in VA. (Is Burns going to finally do the same in Montana?)
Christy, next time you’re holding airport conference calls like that, you need to give the O’Reilly readers a spew warning!
That’s partly out of politeness, but also self-protection – you don’t want their coffee all over your laptop when you say “Hello Madame Speaker . . .”
If the congress could basically follow the constitution and enforce issues of human rights as well as do some serious oversight of the executive branch we will be well on the way to a democracy again.
But legislatively we need to roll back what the repub congress did.. the Patriot Act, gut big time military appropriations, dissemble the national security state including most of the CIA and her sisters spy organizations, and pass some people legislation, like health care, labor law, and reform the criminal justice system which has almost 2.5MM people incarcerated.
We need to press for term limits. We need to toss the lobbyists out and forbid any revolving doors between government and business. You can go one way, one time…
My list is very long and probably too progressive for the mainstream pols dem or repub.
But we should press for more progressive governement and laws. We need some progress not more of the republican regress.
also, did you get the sense that they will be crafting legislation that they believe bush will sign?
Why should they do that?
What’s wrong with drafting things to make him veto it to show how out of touch he is in his views and that of the rethuglicans?
Have the dems forgot how to legislate? There’s all sorts of reasons to push bills up even if you know he won’t sign them. that’s one reason right there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
hurrah!
thank you, thank you, thank you VA!
What, Madame Speaker did not discuss with you the colors of the new curtains?
I’m glad she did share some other concerns.
CHS..Please drop a word that Hoyer as majority leader would send the wrong message to loyal dems. Murtha is not progressive either but by God he stood up and did the right thing when it counted. The thought of Hoyer as majority leader makes me sick.
Is Brooksie one of the most despicable people around or what?
What David Brooks says does not matter even a little. He’s a faht in a gale, as they say in Bah Hahbah.
landreau @ 15
well done! LOL and I’m with Steve @ 13 wrt Hoyer.
The corporate media is spinning like kee-razy to obviate the influence of blogs and bloggers on the democratic party. Unfortunately, their makeup and hair is so yesterday…
Christy… I know it is picky but it is “Jon” Tester, he is not just any plain John but a Jon…
100 hours, just like the lady from San Francisco said:
– minimum wage hike
– Medicare drug price negotiation
– implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations
– higher education more affordable
… then, the Homosexual Agenda!
katymine at 18 — gah! I keep doing that, and I know better. Thanks for the heads up. Clearly, I need to catch up on more sleep…I’m just plain beat.
It is vitally important that the Dems show that they can govern.
We need the people who voted for the Dems to feel good about their choice.
Yes, it does mean compromise and legislation will not have everything we want or need.
But Dems are competent for the next 2 years then 08 is ours in a landslide.
The 2007 Farm Bill is my focus and having Tester, an organic farmer, in the Senate is BIG !
CNN – george allen to make statement at 3PM eastern.
…But i see it was already reported. That’s what I get for leaving my computer for 10 minutes ;)
I’m willing to do piecemeal disassembly and removal of the evil that Bushco has done in the last five years: repeal or recall the worst parts first, then build on that to get the rest of the hermful stuff out of the system. Get the no-fly list into soem kind of useful shape, where it has at least approximate birthdates and descriptions, so they aren’t pulling people off planes based on name alone. Put habeas corpus back into the legal rights that everyone has. Re-instate the Fairness Doctrine and make Net Neutrality law.
Make it clear to the conservatives that laws must apply, equally, to everyone, and the playing field will be levelled out.
Welcome to the real world of Virginia, Senator Macaca!
Good riddance.
Taking out the trash……
I know we’re not supposed to push our pet issues, but I do hope we can propose some legislation to eliminate the exception which allows robo-calls to people on the Do Not Call list.
It’s a win, win. Anyone that votes against it, just run ads next election that so and so voted to allow the harrasing phone calls.
Please, end those damn calls.
I have to take a little bit of issue. Government is not about “compromise.” Compromise, as a strategy, is useful in any negotiating situation but not the best, first alernative in any situation.
Good government is about collaboration: the mutual understanding of good faith interests to arrive at the best possible, proverbial “win-win” solutions.
Compromise does not look at underlying interests, but at surface positions, arbitrarily splitting the difference for the sake of an end of conflict. But in some cases, further conflict is necessary for the common good in govergment, to educate the electorate, investigate the issues, understand the interests that underlie positions so as to generate new, better solutions, etc.
I think this whole ideology that says “compromise” is what government is about rests on a precondition that values are always and everywhere expendible.
I think the government people want involves good faith coming together of public spirited people. But if one side operates in good faith, and the other does not, then “compromise” is a public disservice.
Now, I’m all for Democrats building some momentum with good, popular issues, like the minimum wage, so they can reacquaint the public with what we are really about, after so many years without a platform. The point will be to build momentum and accept good faith, bargaining allies to make ideas better, improve the public good.
However, I have no expectation that any meaningful portion of the GOP side will bargain in good faith. So in reality, we will probably have to do investigations, promote good legislation that will be vetoed or passed on a party line vote, all in order to educate the public about the two sides going in to ‘08.
If, in the interim, we are asked to compromise on fundamental issues, as we were with the gutting of habeas corpus, then no go.
I know Christy agrees with all this. But I just want us to be wary of this meme that “government is all about compromise” because it’s a McCaniac/Leiberman lie.
Gaah. Need more caffeine in my system, as obviously I can’t type straight without it.
I know they are going to be busy, but I hope they revisit that trivial little item called Habeus Corpus.
Really well said Christy,
I’m really proud of you, and all of us.
Goddam this feels great.
Yesterday at his news conference while
he was saying (as near as I could tell)
that when he said stay the course in Iraq, he didn’t mean stay any particular
course, but a course to be determined
later because, not only is he the Decider, but also the Determiner, he looked to me like the a school yard
bully who is very worried about getting
his ass kicked. Mr Conyers, you’re up.
Boy do I understand Christy… what a week for me to be onsite with Clients on EDT and keep up with all this fun…. When you have hit Starbucks for the third time in a day for a Vente that you know you are over the edge!
Great post, Christy. We can give Speaker Pelosi (love typing that!), and ourselves, for that matter, a few days to savor the great win. Then we need to get on with the best solution to the problems you listed, which is public financing of elections. That would resolve the issue of what amounts to legalized bribery, and would inevitably lead to the other goals you listed, transparency, accountability, etc.
One other thing – term limits are a big mistake. I know people seem to hate “professional politicians”, but ifholding office can’t be a career choice, the only people who can run will be the rich. Big money already has too much power, let’s not institutionalize it even more.
Breaking news from MSNBC:
Report: GOP’s George Allen to concede race for Senate seat from Virginia.
It will be interesting to see how the Borg… I mean the Republican party … keeps it’s members in line now that the bugman is gone, gone, gone. So gone. Oh, and once again, thanks to you Ronnie Earle. (clapping)
CNN – chimpy stepping up to the podium
Oh, and yes, Pelosi has been very good and genuinely very respectful of communties like this one, meaning you readers. She deserves a lot more recognitin and credit online.
Who said: “bipartisanship is just another word for date rape.”
I know it was a Rethuglican. Was it Nordquist?
Why do Dems now have to play nice?
Chimpy on CNN – murkin peeople made their decision – i respect that decision.
-looking forward to working w/ pelosi et al
-1st order of business is to complete spending bill
-need to pass terrist surveillance act
twolf1 @ 35
with a bright yellow tie and dick and abu smirking uncomfortably right behind him.
Chimpy on CNN – murkin people expect us to rise above partisan differences. my admin will do it’s part.
Great post Redd- agree with you 100% as usual.
The pressure starts to become huge in January!
In the meantime- the biggest game in town is to watch Clusterfuck try to prove that he’s still relevant. Lame Duck Quacking? Not, he figures, if he can schedule a press conference every fuckin day.
Funny as hell!
Re: Holy Joe, I’m wondering if we shouldn’t just let the Republicans have him, and coax someone like Snowe or Collins in Maine to come on over to our side. They ain’t progressives, but were they to flip, I would surely trust them a lot more than I’d trust Joe to uphold anything resembling a strong progressive agenda.
Also, assuming Lieberman is playing the field, I think we could get them at a cheaper “price.”
Is this reasonable at all?
OT – I just saw upChuck on O’Reilly via C&L
http://movies.crooksandliars.c…..erIraq.mov
He’s was kissing Bill’s fanny while throwing Dean and Murtha under the bus. WTF?
Looks like he’s plastering his face everywhere in an attempt to take credit for our landslide.
O’Reilly: “We can’t be doing the Howard Dean, John Murtha thing – let’s get the hell out and we don’t care what the unintended consequences are”
Schumer: “Right”
Chimpy on CNN – don has been an outstanding sec of def, and a friend (and a douchebag)
he will stay until Bob is confirmed.
presser over
RagingGurrl @ 41
More O’Rielly over at Thinkprogress:
O’Reilly’s Plan For Iraq: Stop Being ‘This Crazy Country’
Pach — agreed on collaboration v. compromise. I think it is both, actually, but I’m still so exhausted from the travel and the election push that my brain isn’t completely functioning this morning. I’ll probably revisit this at some point next week when I’ve caught up on a few zzzzs. lol
ugh, sorry, double post.
CNN – bush having breakfast with Harry Reid and Dick Durbin tomorrow.
I wonder if in his filofax, it’s listed as ‘harry dick for breakfast’?
Upchuck Shumer… is my (ugh) Senator, and is still controlled by AIPAC. The corruption is far from over, kids.
Oh, and egregious, am sipping some English Breakfast tea as I type here. You are such a sweetie!
Is it me, or was that incredibly short Bush presser in the Rose Garden exceptionally pissy, stilted and weird?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 49
What can he say? He just lost power — and not the way the Iraqis do every day.
Savor victory, but the Bush/Cheney martial law apparatus needs to be dismantled fast. The Military Commissions Act and the John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007, HR 5122, need to be repealed immediately. See Ted Rall column at Yahoo.com “Our Long National Nightmare Has Just Begun.”
EPU’d but OT I think…
HotFlash @
104
sorry about last comment…do not mean to offend. Too much adrenaline today. I shall calm down now.
Collaboration is doing something together- two or more people or parties- or whatever- can take on a task mutually.
As a part of that task- they often have to “compromise”- that is- modify their own views as to the best way of doing it to allow some of the other party’s views to prevail.
Compromise is not a dirty word in my opinion- it’s the basis for getting on with one another on a daily basis.
Collaboration demands it.
Senator Tester might actually stand up with dear Senator Russ and attempt to repeal unpatriotic acts and military commissions, torture, habeas corpus etc. This would have to wait until Bush is out of office of course.
As an organic farmer he could also fight Monsanto and ADM and demand they stop killing off the diversity of genetics available in plant life / seeds. They are quickly working on corporate domination through ownership of most genetics in the agro business. Eliminating as many others as possible through sterilization at a staggering rate.
So many urgent things to do.
Jed @ 51:
I agree completely. We are already in a constitutional crisis. Now we have the power to reverse the slide into dictatorship. Will the Dems be a part of the solution, or will they ignore the problem?
I’m already reading unattributed admin sources referring to potential upcoming investigations as “witch-hunts.”
twolf1 @ 37
-need to pass terrist surveillance act
No, he needs to learn to use the tools he already has (like FISA). He may not be an actual
idiotmorondimbulb, but he’s got a serious case of lazy brain, which makes it pretty much as bad.And can someone get Reid to look at JoeL’s party affiliation on the ballot, and recognize that he isn’t a Democrat anymore? His seniority went bye-bye with his C4L affiliation.
I guess I will be the old curmugen here — access is the drug they give the outside people. You want access to Pelosi, you must talk nice about her. She of the “you will cease and desist using the word evenhanded” to Howard Dean. She owes Dean an apology. Still waiting. And I want to hear Rahm say Dean’s name without snearing.
I realize that we cannot roll back the Patriot Act in the first 100 days, but we need to hold hearings on it. FULL. BLOWN. HEARINGS. ON T.V.
And every time the pundits on T.V. talk, they say how BAD it would be if the dems investigate Bush. Oh no. Grumble. Grumble.
But I by nature am a compromiser and always see the ‘grey’ area for discussion so I will be happy giving the new Speaker the rest of this year. But I really want Murtha for Majority Leader. Get rid of Hoyer. I suppose Pelosi does not want us to get involved in that struggle.
The Republicans are lucky they had the opportunity to gerrymander the electoral districts, or this would have been a REAL blowout.
With regard to TradMed and its myrmidons, I would like to see CNN’s Suzanne Malveaux smacked down. Yesterday, asking W a question, she “quoted” my Congresswoman as having called the President a liar. Later, Wolfie repeated the “quote” and Congresswoman Pelosi smacked him down, hard: “I never said that, I never called the President a LIAR.” Until I saw the (earlier) W presser, I did not completely understand Pelosi’s vehemence.
TradMed must re-learn its role as “honest broker” — stirring the pot with falsehoods just won’t cut it nowadays.
Does that mean that the Dems aren’t going to aggressively take a look the Administration’s use of pre-war intel?
This is a huge shoe yet to drop, and I think we all yearn for a truth and reconcilliation comission on this.
I know this has probably already been mentioned more than a few times but if Pelosi has a good 2 years (and a lot can happen in 2 years)…. hell if she looks like she can pull it off let’s run her for President. The testosterone is at least 50% of the problem in D.C.
CNN says Allen will say that nothing has changed at his 3PM presser – apparently not conceding. Webb has scheduled his presser for 4:14 PM – all times eastern
No, I think the only thing the WH will do between now and January is shred documents they think Democrats might want to subpoena. All this from Bush is
bullshit“window dressing.” Everything I read this morning (was what rwcole, imm, and others commented yesterday) was how pissed off the GOP is that Bush waited until Wednesday to fire Rumsfeld. Firing Rumsfeld last week probably would have saved Burns and Allen, thus the Senate for the GOP. Bush just really likes saying “*uckyou,” to Republicans, Democrats, the world, […] doesn’t seem to matter to him.@41&44..Shumer’s behavior is described with one word..AIPAC..by exit polls, I think I read that 90% of Jewish Americans voted for Dems. Are they weak on Israel..I think not.
Maybe the Rose Garden pissy presser was to keep BigTime quiet — perhaps W has Cheney’s resignation in his pocket and carries it around, never knowing when he might whip it out and accept it. Just keeping the auto-pacemaker in tune, don’tcha know?
Hayduke @ 63
YES – and much more than 50% of the time.
ebbandflow at 612 — good lord, no. That’s one of the issues that has to be examined. And one of the reasons that I am most grateful for the Webb and Tester wins. Getting Patsy Roberts out of the power chair in the Senate Intel committee and Hoekstra out in the House is a HUGE victory for the intel community as a whole. They have been squeezed between the Administration and the rubber stamp Republicans in Congress for far too long, and blamed for far too many of the Administration’s own errors. This is a time for factual information, not spin, and the intel issue is one that needs a thorough examination.
I very carefully said above that accountability is key — I’m not certain why that isn’t clear. Maybe I’m just too tired, but I thought I was pretty emphatic about that.
Perhaps Allen wants the election officials to check and see that everyone paid their poll tax….
Jed @52 – Link please?
John–I suspect that this is only the beginning of the tsunami of gooper hatred toward Clusterfuck- it’s gaining momentum.
For years congressional goopers have been “suckin it up” taking the arrogance, discourtesy, and incompetence for granted while publicly supporting this shit head. It’s OVER- now those years of resentment are gonna come up like the product of a gag reflex.
TeddySanFran @ 68
From Raw Story/MSNBC: MSNBC: Allen to concede this afternoon
…so who knows? We will have to wait and see.
Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Murtha in January –
President Pelosi by August!!!
great piece, Christy – you hit all the right notes.
TeddySanFran @ 19
It all sounds fine to me. Conversely, these bills need to be sprinkled with reversals of many of Bushco’s odious and ineffective national security policies. They need to know that we do not do travel “permissions” in the U.S., that torture will not be tolerated, that habeas lives, and that the Fourth Amendment is not in that position because it’s more dispensable than the Second. And they need to find it out early.
Watch for the White House CoS to reorganize the Hill Liaison staff right quick, with Karl sidelined. When does the press get a chance to ask Karl a question, anyway? How’s “the math” today, Karl?
punaise at 73 — thanks. Amazing what you can pull out of a very tired brain sometimes. *g*
Investigate
Indict
Impeach
Incarcerate
P J Evans @ 23
I think some of this will have to be piecemeal, and it will have to be piggybacked onto legislation that Bush can’t safely veto (since at this point we can’t guarantee veto-proof majorities in the Senate). But the sooner the Lame Quack learns that we’re dancing to a different tune now, the better.
EvilDrPuma at #75 – YES. I would like to see a statement out of Pelosi and Reid’s offices saying that America does not torture. And commit themselves to speaking out about these terrible policies. That will make Joe 4 Joe to frown. :)
hah! speaking of deposed scumbags, Pombo really owes W a big thanks:
Global Yokel @
60
Can this be undone? There must be a politically neutral way to apportion representation, for instance proportional voting? OK, not a first 100 hours thing, but something to keep in mind. There *will* be other elections (last week I was not so positive about that).
Michael Fletcher, peddling CW, will not take my non-CW question outlining progressive wins, but does take this kind of setup of the CW:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00943.html
Investigations are the best way to dismantle the unelected GOP puppetmasters. The legislative calendar can start with things like the minimum wage — though Bush’s ‘help for small business’ line yesterday implies that he wants to bundle it with a tax cut or some other measure that allows him to veto or poison any bill — but the oversight calendar has to reflect the lack of work done over the past six years.
I want to hear about the Heritage Foundation interns sent to run Iraq. About the energy bill cartel. The no-bid contracts. Heck, start ‘a new era of looking forward, by ensuring we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past’ by offering amnesty in exchange for testimony, if that’s within their power.
OT Question.
Are there Firedog (Firepups?) T-Shirts?
Might be a good fund raiser.
Since Nate told me I’m a Firepup even if I mostly lurk I want a T-Shirt. :)
Speaking of McNerney, has anyone heard from our very own Defender-of-Wildlife and Halliburton-buster Matt O.?
Hm. Wonder if I can find the time for a little television around 3.
RedJet @ 85
I wore my firedoglake T-shirt on election day! (not sure if they’re still available, it was from the old blogspot era).
jed at 8:37 am, I share your understandable concern about the Military Commissions Act, but it takes 60 U.S. Senators to override a Presidential veto. I think it will be easier to get that after hearings about Intelligence and War Profiteering […]. I don’t in any way mean to dilute how vital overturning the MCA is.
IMHO, the single most important legislation this Congress could pass, would be public financing for all national elections in 08.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
Christy, it’s not that we don’t believe *you*…
It appears we have elbowed our way into the position of a rather powerful Lobby! the Bloggers Lobby!! With Christy as our voice, we will be able to heard an accepted as the voice of the people. I like that!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 50
I don’t doubt that it won’t be the last time. Bush doesn’t play well with others. He’s only gotten as far as he has because it hasn’t been demanded of him. If the “terr’ist surveillance bill” can be delayed until the next Congress convenes, I think it would be a good initial message to Der Shrubbenfuhrer about the way it’s going to be for his last two years.
In one of the Tester – Burns debates, Burns charged that Tester would weaken the Patriot Act, Tester replied, “I don’t want to weaken it I want to repeal it”
Jon will stand up to the powers that be. The question is will be have to fight both the Administration and the Dem leadership?
Federal standards for federal elections. Fund it if it needs funding. Call it the All Votes Are Equal Act. And look at it while the problems of this election are still fresh in people’s minds.
nanakat ! long time no see!
RedJet @ 84
Me Toooooooooooo!
I worked the polls this election- and learned quite a bit. I was amazed at the “poll watchers” who were there most of the day- checking on who had voted and who hadn’t and running off to ring phones or knock on doors.
The dem “poll watchers” were mostly from unions- still providing the backbone that the dem party depends on to be competitive. Got me to thinking how few candidates really reflect the views, values, and culture of the typical union worker. Glad they stick with us.
egregious @ 86
tee he
Organic George @ 93
I love that!
haven’t read it yet, but he’s always worth a look:
Hayduke @ 63
I’m willing to see how she does. Hillary Clinton is not my choice for the first woman in the Oval Office, but that’s nothing to do with her chromosomes.
I have not seen a better proponent of these important issues, either within the blogosphere or without. I feel these critical concepts are safely deposited in your forebrain and it makes my day. Thank you Christy, for all you do. But thank you especially for your laser like focus on these crucial rules of law. Without them, we are nothing.
punaise @ 88
I hope they make a comeback – would be fitting wouldn’t it.
rwcole @ 55
Empirically, this is not true. Imagine two sisters want an orange, and there is only one orange.
Compromise says, split the orange in half. Each sister has a position that says, “I want the orange.” This is a zero-sum negotiating paradigm.
But imagine the sisters enter into a conversation about why they want the orange. That is, let us say they share information about their underlying goals and interests.
Let’s say they then discover that one sister wants the peel to use the zest for a cookie recipe. The other wants the inside to eat. By collaborating on a way to solve the problem of both wanting the same orange, they can create a solution where they both get all of what they want without compromising.
Collaboratiuon does not require compromise. But collaboration also requires the truthful sharing of information, good faith bargaining and problem solving.
I say the Dems should invite collaboration wherever possible, to make the best legislation and serve the common good. I also doubt that the other side would enter into any such conversation with anything like good faith, based on the last six years of performance.
Perhaps I should make this into a blog post.
egregious @ 87
OK, what did you hear?
RedJet @ 103
well, it used to fit me
You have to admit Shooter looked anything but happy this morning. He hated every word he was hearing. Bush will go on and on about bipartisanship for the next two years while giving it the finger. He has already convinced the MSM he means it so any disagreement will be the Democrats’ fault. Evil man. I hope Pelosi is as hard as the Republicans say she is and that she keeps on smiling while she smacks him good.
OT, but important:
It just occurred to me:
1) Gates is former CIA — and of the sort that actually was competent, though still very political-hackish.
2) Gates is old-school Republican, not neocon, and isn’t fond of Cheney.
3) Fitzy’s big target has been in the OVP all along. (There’s only one person whose hide would be valuable enough for Karl Rove to get a free pass from Fitz, and that’s Ticky Dick. Well, there is one other hide — that of Bush himself — but I don’t think that’s reachable unless Cheney decides to stab Bush to save himself.)
Could we possibly be seeing some major openings in the Treasongate investigation? Or does Gates’ loyalty to Clan Bush trump a) his loyalty to the CIA (never mind his country) and b) his desire to stab Cheney?
pseudonymous in nc @ 84
Agreed. As for what Bush wants…he’s going to just have to learn that he doesn’t get whatever he wants any more. The unitary executive is dead.
kerry thomas @
79
Yeah, ’bout. Put another way, Constitution and accountability. That covers all that applies, no?
TeddySanFran @
19
Can someone send me the most recent copy of the HSA?
The real message of this election is that the people Bush has tried to turn into the poor and down-trodden have found a forum for open and honest (verifiable so) communication — the blogosphere.
The blogs have been very important — not so much in the number of people who read them (my guess is about one percent of the electorate), but rather the ability to keep the stories alive that BushCo would have liked to see buried alive. And for this, everyone on the BlogRoll deserves our nation’s gratitude…and the commenters have done their job keeping the fires burning.
I was raised Mormon. And one thing Mormons know about is converting people… (Even now, I have the urge to convert people away from the Satanic mind/moral control warned about in the Book of Revelations that is self evident in the Republican Party.) Whenever I see Rahm on TV, I tend to cringe. He is a politician and he has an ego. But I also see someone who is ignorant (not stupid). He will come around. There is going to be a time in his career when he needs the truth to come out, and he will go to the blogosphere and ask for help. We are the Fifth Estate, rapidly moving up to a tie with the Fourth Estate.
I think we need to keep doing what we are doing. If you really want to do something “radical” in terms of participatory democracy, start a blog for your neighborhood or for your public school. Focus on finding solutions to local problems, and expose your “ignorant” neighbors to the efficiency of blog communicating. Once they experience it in bite-sized chunks, they will understand the utter necessity on unwieldy levels such as national politics.
In the early days of this Republic, every village had a local Post, where everyone in town could announce an event or post a short treatise. From that foundation of public communication, like minded individuals realized that there were others like them that did not like the King of England. If people did not have a way of communicating, we would still be British subjects.
Bush and the corporate bourgeoisie have been trying to buy and control the modern-day Posts, and limit peer-to-peer communication. The new blog-Posts are the invention which are helping America be born again as a participatory democracy. Let freedom glow on computer monitors and cell phones from sea to shining sea.
Pachacutec @ 104
You should make it into a blog post; then, follow the anology and supporting logic by replacing ‘orange’ with ‘kitten.’
Oh, and minimum wage at the top of the list.
Pach
Well you, like Humptey Dumptey, are tryin to bend the english language to your will. What the sisters did would more naturally be described as “compromise”- or “win/win negotiation”.
Your underlying point, however, is certainly a valid one- that “compromise” doesn’t always have to involve giving up something of value to you.
Christy,I was SO jazzed to see you guys on the Daily Show last night. Even pointed you out to my partner, who is still not entirely convinced that FDL isn’t some online dating site.
I do feel hope, and it feels good. And because of your constant encouragement and Blue America I feel I am a part of it. So many people here did more than vote, and we really did change the direction of this country. While we still have a lot to do, one look at Chimpy’s face in these pressers is all you need to know that our message has been heard.
Thank you guys so much! My almost 2 years of skinner box refreshing the old blogspot and this current site have always been a joy, and now mean so much more.
Pach, please do. The orange metaphor is excellent — moving beyond “I want” to “Why I want” often yields not only compromise, but room for everyone to get exactly what we want!
twolf1@3 said “Agreed! We can’t do anything without a strong foundation.”
Isn’t that a Chauncy Gardner quote? :))
By the way Pach- you tried to force the word “empirically” into unusual duty in your post as well.
Your point was a linguistic one- not an empirical one.
Pachacutec @ 104
If I had been in on the call and had to offer my thoughts and hopes, I would focus on two: First, I would seek a strong push in the direction of ethics reform, which is what has been promised but I want more. I don’t want a simple transient change in behavior, I would want ethics reform and policing to be writ in stone, written into law so that no future Congress can simply drop the ball again. I want THAT option taken out of their hands (I would also ask about the ability to write laws that specifically state that they need a 3/4 majority of BOTH houses of Congress to undo).
My second focus would be to ask what Congress can do to restrict the ability of ALL branches of government to classify information. I want a law that severely limits the ability of government (the Executive AND the Legislative) to classify information. I would like to see what CAN be classified limited, very strictly, to truly critical military/intelligence information…and THEN with a strict time limit on how long such information can remain classified. There is virtually NO valid reason for ANYTHING from 20 years ago and earlier to remain classified now. There should be moving classification window that requires information that falls outside that window to be automatically unclassified.
It isn’t enough to promise, as Pelosi has, to run the most open, ethical, and honest congress in history. That’s great, really it is, but I want teeth in that promise so that henceforth it is a requirement that all subsequent Congresses must meet (requiring a 3/4’s majority of BOTH houses to change the rules). No more classified energy meetings (What could possibly need to be classified about an energy meeting? The only reason is to hide malfeasance).
There are other issues but these burn in me.
ccmask @ 116
I think it was Bob Vila ;)
EvilDrPuma @ 109
And I just want to carve in stone that all those Republicans who are now claiming that Bush led them wrong actually *voted for all this crap* As did too many of ours.
If Pelosi called me I’d put my phone on speaker.
CNN – source close to allen: “no intention of dragging this out.”
Steve G’s got part of MoDo’s column about Operation Save W that Poppy and the rest of the Bush Crime Family are running. Daddy gonna try to bail Fredo’s ass out of the mess he has made (AGAIN). Cheney’s next. I think it is too little, too late.
EvilDrPuma @ 120
rwcole @ 115
rwcole: I’m not playing semantic games. I teach this stuff. Look up “bargaining styles definitions” in Google and see what you come up with.
Praedor at 119 — it is my understanding that ethics reform is a big priority…with solid planning going on as I type this and well before now as well.
JohnSwifty @ 113
Grated kitten peels for cookies? YECH!!!!!
FYI, progressives won here in town, too. I know this may startle some, but there are differences of opinion among the Left on the Left Coast, and Lefties appear to have prevailed:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..e=politics
Teddy — MSNBC just showed footage of Pelosi playing with her grandkids. hehehehe
Any word on grandchild #6, who I understand to be overdue in NYC this week?
pseudonymous in nc @
85
It has occured to me that the depth and complexity of the malfeasance might be so bad that we have to go the Truth and Reconciliation route to get at anywhere near all of it within our lifetimes. Badly as I want to see physical consequences, still there might be some deals it would be worth it to make, just to get some truth into the historical record. Prosecutors?
HotFlash @ 123
That’s right. They enabled the unitary executive…they let Bushco use them as a rubber stamp for unacceptable policies. To a certain extent, Tuesday was the price paid for doing that–but the next Congress must restore advice and consent and debate and evaluation to its standard operating procedures.
Pachacutec @ 26
McCain and Lieberman are doing exactly what government is about: Fighting for what you care about or what you sold out for.
These guys argue compromise because they are on the short end of the stick and they are asking for
mercyrelevancy. Bill Clinton said it best that it is the ultimate mind game, and the winner is the one who believes the most. But Bush proved that the beleif has to be grounded in truth. He looked really stupid “believing” he was going to hold congress, when there was no basis the belief. In other words, he tried to lie with only his mojo.I would not to be anywhere near George Allen’s pointy cowboy boots, or even within spitting range, today….
Hot Flash @ 83, I heard a Democrat–may have been Rep. John Dingell on CNBC–say yesterday that the electoral districts have to be redone. He said the districts are not fair to either party so bipartisanship may very well work in this instance. I mentioned in an earlier post that Dingell has his agenda down pat.
So, I guess the terrorists have won.
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“However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: The terrorists win and America loses,” Bush told a raucous crowd of about 5,000 GOP partisans packed in an arena at Georgia Southern University (Oct 30th, 2006).
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Pacha- I used to teach “this stuff” too. Teachers often use semantic games as a way of making a (valid) point.
HotFlash @ 90
Right Hotflash — I believe *you* Christy that accountability is important, but what concerns me is the never-ending strategizing for the next election cycle.
If Dems want to keep power, then they play to the moderates and try not to rock the boat too much.
For example, Pelosi has pledged that “Impeachment is off the table” since it’s a waste of time, and “making them lame ducks is good enough for me.” Fine. Perfecty understandable.
But there must be some aggressive, honest investigations into these very real deceptions and it just concerns me to hear stuff like “Emanuel and other top Democrats told their members they cannot allow the party’s liberal wing to dominate the agenda next year.”
This juxtaposed next to your statement that “we also should not start eating our own right out of the gate” combined with “I know that sounds funny after my smack Rahm around article from yesterday” combined with you not explicitly mentioning pre-war Iraq intel to Pelosi (or not telling us that you told her.) — well, let’s just say that I want to hear some reassurance that this is a top, top priority from the Dems.
To me it is one of the most explosive shoes to drop, and would’ve been on the top of my list. But that’s just me.
____ and ______, two GOP “sisters” who want to share matching orange jumpsuits.
(blanking on candidates for this. all the ultra-corrupt on the right seem to be male)
BobbyG @ 139
No, sanity won. Bush just thinks sanity is terrorism.
Webb lead expands to 8,875.
Allen to concede at 3pm, Webb will speak shortly thereafter.
punaise @ 140
Mehlman and Rove ;)
Pat_AlexVA @ 25
ESPECIALLY the robo-calls that are misleading about who is calling ie; Republicans pretending to be a Dem candidate and calling just for the intent of annoying voters. I called Pelosi’s office yesterday morning to speak to this topic (no one there and voice mailbox was saturated..no surprise) and ask her to have new laws written that have real TEETH TO PREVENT THIS IN THE FUTURE!!. On a more positive note I was very surprised that there was no large scale computer (see Diebold)”glithches” that tilted the election to the other side. Great job to everyone especially you Christy, Jane, t-rex etc. on yesterdays terrific results!!!!!!
John Casper @ 90
It takes two-thirds of both Houses to override a veto (Art. I, Section 7). You’re probably thinking of confirmations.
I very much agree with you on the public financing per my earlier post on this thread.
Where in the hell is Condi? Haven’t seen her lately. Seems like she kicked off her heels and is laying low.
Bush said:
Secretary Rumsfeld has agreed to stay until Bob is confirmed, and I’m deeply grateful to Don for his service to our country.
My question is will there be opposition to the confirmation or is it a done deal??
hey Firedogs – a quickie from work
has this been posted ??
seems hate measures in the Dominion may have hurt Senator Macacawitz – bwaaahhaaahaaa
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..-have.html
dead last @ 136
The Bushies were right about one thing: to negotiate successfully, you start with ambitious goals and expectations that you believe in. However, they never bargained in a collaborative framework: it was always zero sum competitive and they never even compromised unless they had to, to the point of subverting the Constitution. They also bargained in bad faith on a foundation of lies, which is why they have no credibility at a bargaining atble any more.
If you are willing to compromise, it works best, whether you seek to examine underlying interests and collaborate or just to compete, to wait until later in the process, perhaps at the very end, to comtromise to get a deal done. But if you start out with a posture that says, “I’m willing to comrpomise,” you risk rewarding obstructive behavior on the part of your counterpart to exact from you every last drop of compromise you may have to offer. Dems should know all about this by now.
CNN – Ed Bradly has died of Leukemia
Speaking of Tester, how wierd was that Katie Couric quote that Jon Stewart highlighted last night: “My favorite thing about Jon Tester is that he is missing three fingers on his left hand from a meat-grinder accident.”
That was a really quick shark-jump, Katie. Welcome to ridicule and, thus, irrelevancy.
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twolf1 @ 145
LOL
EvilDrPuma @ 144
I loved reading Howard Fineman regarding how Poppy’s “adults” (whatever we think of them) are now being brought in to clean up the latest and greatest of Junior’s messes. Rub his nose in it.
Junior has one mess left to make: get appointed MLB Commish and thoroughly fuck it up too.
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ccmask @ 146
DiFi said yesterday Gates would be a tough fight if there is not, simultaneously, a New Direction in Iraq.
punaise @ 151
Sisters forevah!!
We repealed alot of ReThugs. More to go.
Excellent post and thread Christy. I hope we get to see much more of you on CNN and TV for your clear voice to reach the masses.
Bum Rush, O’Lielly, and ilk need to go next while we’re at it. The sexism needs to go. All the bullshit needs to go.
BobbyG @ 154
At least MLB Commissioners rarely get the opportunity to kill a few hundred thousand people.
“Where’s Condi”
So many shoes- so little time.
rwcole: You’re right. I’m bullshitting. I’m acting in bad faith, playing word games. I’m a bad person. You’re smarter than I am. You want a pissing contest? Piss away. You win.
rwcole @ 159
I read the other day that Imelda Marcos is putting her name on a fashion line (no shoes yet, but can that be far behind?). Maybe Condi is interviewing for a new job.
HotFlash @ 130
Hey don’t knock it tell you try it. Ask me about my recipe for Himmalayan Chips!
Pacha- It’s not that important. Your underlying point was correct as I mentioned. Let’s forget it.
EvilDrPuma @ 156
If anyone could, W could. Here’s a recipe: cut the stadiums’ security budgets, cut off cooperation with Homeland Security, and let a coupla dirty bombs into playoff games, and voila!
See how easy *uckups are when you’re Junja?
TeddySanFran @ 153
Saw that too. My favorite thing about Katie is that she is older now, and a little bit pudgy.
Since Bush only cares about the historic opinion of him, “fixing” the election for a democratic win sounds like a rovian idea.
hey !
that “57below” above is me – wtf ?
Eureka@71 I’m sorry I don’t know how to post a link. Please go to Yahoo.com and in the search box there put Rall Our Long National Nightmare Has Just Begun. That just worked for me.
In all the celebrating, I’d like to take a moment to honor those who fought the good fight and lost. This site has been very supportive of the candidacy of Roberto Rodriguez in the CA 25, who lost to an entrenched Bush acolyte. He’s just one of many progressive, hardworking, attractive candidates who didn’t make it, but their efforts should not be forgotten in all the well-earned jubilcation.
Hey Firedogs, we aren’t done yet. From the good folks at SayNoToPombo (quoting my morning daily, the Stockton Record)
SayNoToPombo
How many other lame ducks are planning to push through their pet projects? Yikes!
Teddy: I thought that was insane when Couric said that. They just love blood, gore and missing white girls. She must have died when Stewart played that.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 133
i was sitting next to an older gent last night and i spoke of “Grandma Pelosi” and her interview with the beard yesterday. he turned to me and said “i do like that description much better than SF liberal”
60 Minutes’ Ed Bradley Dead At 65
Well, Bush is trying to control the agenda (and Dems) first thing. And while I agree with Christy that we ought not get into strife amongst ourselves about names/labels/people, I see no reason whatsoever not to push, hard, on issues. Especially given the well-established Dem habit of, well, caving in on same. Yes, it’s a new ballgame — but old habits die hard, and we need to make sure they develop appropriate new ones post-haste. The Terrorist Surveillance Bill comes to mind… and so do memories of how the Patriot Act was rammed down peoples’ throats/sped through before anyone read it. Will the Dems, once again, be scared of looking “soft on terr’ism”???
kemo @ 165
My favorite thing about her is that I can’t actually receive the local CBS affiliate worth a damn anyway. I miss Letterman, but there are compensations.
Pachacutec @ 129
OK, Pach, I’ll bite. Wasn’t what you’re talking about, at least at one time, referred to as interest-based bargaining?
New thread: Great Moments In Popcorn
New thread, all — thought you could use some fresh digs. :)
Pach @ 26
Well said.
HotFlash @
83
From what I understand, the next U.S. census is in 2010. The congressional districts are then re-drawn based on population changes. Whoever draws those boundaries gets to control constituency demographics. So Dems gotta keep this ship upright through 2010, if the republican gerrymandering is to be undone. Then we will hear republicans whining about Dem gerrymandering until 2020.
About “compromise” and the MCA. The repeal demanded should be a complete one. The Bushists anticipated this day (to me, the only reason it was pushed when it was) and thus included the immunity clause. Their idea of compromise will be all of it, except that.
They are so clever.
Twisted Martini @
127
What’em talkin’ ’bout. Including that conclusion. I keep seeing this blackout-like thing with pig-grunting noises, hay-rustling sounds, and various bangs and clatters, a man’s hand holding a tube of bright red lipstick, and the voice of James A. Baker III saying, “Come on, now, hold still! Hold still!!
jed @ 169
Jed, here’s how: Go to the link and copy the browser window address., Hint, it will start with http://.
Type something in the comments window for the link to belong to, eg, Long National Nightmare. Highlight it.
Click on the LINK box above the comment window. It will open a box for you to paste the link into.
Hit enter, then it will ask you to confirm the text you want to attach (in this case, Long National Nightmare). Hit enter again and you’re golden.
Bolton’s troubled nomination as US ambassador to the United Nations is “going nowhere”, a key Democratic senator said today after the party scored big in mid-term elections.
Joseph Biden of Delaware is expected to chair the Senate Foreign Relations Committee if Democratic control of the US Senate is formally confirmed.
“I never saw a real enthusiasm (for Bolton’s nomination) on the Republican side to begin with. There’s none on our side. And I think John Bolton’s going nowhere,” he said.
(Raw Story)
Let’s see how Clusterfuck handles this one- does he admit defeat or try to shoe horn anothere recess appointment of some kind.
TeddySanFran @ 154
jsf68 @ 170
I hear that Howie K is setting up something so we can keep contributing for a permanent Blue Majority. Roberto, hang on , we’ll need you in 2008!
RagingGurrl @ 180
Very plausible, Pach…but from what you’ve written since, I think you might agree that that doesn’t mean we don’t offer a bargain in good faith. If the GOP doesn’t want the carrot, well, then they choose the stick.
twolf1 @
39
If Bush REALLY wants to rise above partisan issues, he should send out a meme to his party members instructing them to refer to the Democratic Party AS the “Democratic”, not the “Democrat Party”
Whenever any of those skanky Republican mouth pieces say that, it grinds my last nerve and I want to throw the buzzer through the TV!
I have a feeling that a few years ago, as the Republicans were on a roll taking away our civil liberties, they were a little concerned with confusing the public with small-D Democratic party.
New thread
I guess while I’m on a role of what I would have liked to say to Pelosi while I had her ear, I would like to add two more things: Understand that we, the netroots DID have a major impact on this momentous win by the Democrats. We, acting in addition to, and often contrary to, the DSCC and DCCC, made this happen. However, the Dems also benefited from a generic protest vote against the Republicans. That is only a starting point from which you can subsequently win active support. By itself it is not a recipe for continued control of Congress. You (Pelosi) MUST do some substantive things to turn protest votes into active support votes.
I would also then ask for a move to kill gerrymandering nationwide. Take redistricting away from any one political party. Push to have standards normalized nationwide. Make redistricting non-partisan by law AND limit it, strictly, to census years. Either non-partisan judge panels do it or a panel that is made up of an EQUALIZED spectrum of Dems and Repubs and other political . No more ironclad “safe” districts. The idea that what is good for the party (ANY party) is good for the country is an idea that MUST die.
I’m pretty proud of my find in the next thread.
And a next thread there is.
Organic George @ 21
Interesting. An organic farmer in Montana, and a wind energy engineer in California. Are we turning green here?
TeddySanFran @ 165
Did you say ‘Junya’ or ‘Marvin? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmcvTzYfo
I just want to add that these calls are not just open to elite bloggers like Christy. There are people, like me, who are on the list who are very minor players in the blogosphere. (I missed yesterday’s call because it got rescheduled while I was away from my email.) We really are having an impact, even those of us who only post comments.
And I want to chime in with Christy in saying that we need to be patient and to let our very creaky (which is often a good thing) system of government work. As Pach pointed out recently, there are three parties right now, and it was the third one–K Street and the corporations who pay for it–who got slapped this week. This group is not going to yield power easily, and some of their key players have D next to their names.
So our work is far from finished. We have to continue to demonstrate that constituents matter more than contributors. We need to keep pushing people-powered politics. We’re still developing the tools. But we had better tools in 06 than we had in 04. And we’ll have still better ones in 08.
Also keep in mind that the blogosphere is a terrifying entity to many of these people. Many of these people operate in an environment that hates transparency, while we operate in an environment of nearly complete transparency. So we’re gonna be marginalized, dissed, trashed and even mischaracterized. But we know that we are tough, pragmatic people who simply want our government back. That’s an extremely powerful message if enough of us can commit to it and communicate it to our leaders.
Pelosi is listening. Dean gets it. Pretty soon (I’m talking a decade or so) they’ll either be listening, or they’ll be out.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 49
Thanks for speaking for us little people on national television.
Empirically, this is not true. Imagine two sisters want an orange, and there is only one orange.
Compromise says, split the orange in half. Each sister has a position that says, “I want the orange.” This is a zero-sum negotiating paradigm.
Ah, but game theory gives the answer to this question (though it usually uses pieces of cake as the object of desire between two children). If YOU cut the cake and give it to them one will be upset that the other has a bigger piece. The fix? Simple and elegant. You tell one child that they get to cut the cake but the other child gets first pick of the pieces. This ensures that the cake cutting will be as equal as humanly possible and that the outcome will be beyond argument by the children.
EvilDrPuma @
188
Yes, I agree, We are open to good faith actors. But we also need to beware bad faith actors in disguise who really seek to delay a good process to play for time and leverage. This is a standard, oppositional and decelptive strategy.
rwcole @ 141
I don’t teach this stuff, I live it every day in the consulting world. I think we must collaborate in good faith. Sometimes, compromise is required, sometimes, when you really talk about what both parties want, not so much is required as you might think. I understand our collective concerns about collaborating with these people–Rove et al don’t “collaborate”, they steam roll.
But, if we truly want to lead, we must engage in real collaboration. If we just want to exercise our authority (aka rethugs the past 6 years), we won’t last long.
For me, it all comes back to a fundamental question: what qualities makes some people natural leaders and some people followers and some people despots. True collaboration and the ability to negotiate so that all parties feel they’ve gained something is one such quality.
Lets wait a minute before we go off the deep end with
how to talk and deal with the Republicans in Congress.
First of all this Republican Congress has allowed Bush
to gut legislation through signing statements.
This unconstitutional power grab must stop,
The President does not have a line item veto.
Let’s have hearings on the Presidential Signing Statements. The Democratic Congress must rise up
and assert its Constitutional authority. Otherwise why
pass legislation!
MayDaze @
177
That’s what Ury and Fisher call it in the classic Getting to Yes. It’s long been a best seller. I would also highly recommend, as a compliment to that book, G. Richard Shell’s Bargaining for Advantage.
martha @ 199
I know we’re deep in EPU territory, but I just have to say this. Interest-based bargaining assumes that both sides will honestly discuss their goals. Given their history, I’m not sure it is reasonable to expect that from the Republicans.
Praedor Atrebates @ 197
Didn’t that Solomon guy do something like that?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
I know it is a big priority but I fear that it will be facile – that it will just be a change to the rules that can easily be dropped/changed again by any subsequent Congress. I would like to take THAT ability off the table. Rules that have the force of law that must be undone in the normal fashion, via votes in the House and Senate.
As I understand it, mere “rules” can be reconfigured at the start of any new congress and, thus, don’t have ironclad teeth to them. They last only as long as the current congress and its leadership feel they should go on.
MayDaze @ 202
As far as I can tell, *any* method will work if there is good will all around. If good will is lacking no system can survive. Checks and balances, anyone?
MayDaze:
I know we’re totally EPU’d but…I agree with your concerns completely. But I think we’ve got to think about how we LEAD if we are going be successful and keep the support of the American people.
http://www.cafepress.com/firedoglake
Hope we can get a reference up top here for fdl shopping once everybody gets their breath back.
RedJet @ 86
For some reason, I think I have a bit of a man-crush on ol’ Jon…
I agree, and tried to make that point above. There are other approaches to bargaining than collaboration, and while collaboration is preferred, it takes (at least) two to dance that dance.
Regarding concerns about Lieberman’s good faith, I am hoping that a few more indictments of GOPers will open a few senate seats that can then be filled by appointees selected by some of the new Democratic governors around the country. Doing that, Lieberman becomes an afterthought and can be discarded with the trash.
That is my hope: more indictments and resignations followed by a few more Dem appointments in their stead. Lieberman’s blackmail position then falls to dust.
martha @ 206
I’m sure as hell not going to argue with that!
Of the 33 Senate seats up in 2008, more than 20 are currently GOP defends. The odds in that scenario, all other things being equal, would be for Dem pickups, especially if the new Dem resurgence causes a few of those R’s to retire. In that case, Lieberman’s hostage taking leverage is reduced.
Christy –
In your honor, one of the great commercials of all time, and it never gets old…cat herding on the prairie. And, as one of the, um, catboys says at the end, “I wouldn’t do nuthin’ else.”
Because when you can get “ultra-conservative Blue Dogs to the ultra liberal folks” together and get things done (without bribery and extortion, that is), you’ve really accomplished something. Leadership is easy if everyone agrees with you.
Speaker Murtha!
Pachacutec @ 212
Pach, thanks! I was wondering about 2008 but was too tired to search and find out who’s up to run. So much work to do.
ahhhhh! Just clicked on MSNBC / Rita and CNN/ Katie. How many fake nails on a chalkboard must we take?
rwcole @
98
rwcole, I worked on the backend of your proposition. I was one of the door knockers. Prepared the materials with a union fellow next to me. We’re pretty archaic in how we check who’s voted and who hasn’t. Matching names from the poll list (alphabetic by name) to names on a street list.
I knocked on doors off of Rt. 1. I think there’s some community out reach needed in some of these areas. Simple stuff, pick up the litter, fill the potholes, mow the public grass areas and trim the overgrowth.
My experience was different than what I expected. More needs to be done – locally.
Meet your neighbors, know your neighbors, help your neighbors. Simple stuff.
FYI – Jim Webb’s press conference is at 4:15pm.
Courthouse Plaza
2100 Clarendon Blvd.
Arlington, VA
Might have to pick up my baby early and go celebrate.
Mutant Poodle at 213 — OMG! I had forgotten about that commercial. I am SO using that in a post tomorrow. THANK YOU!
I just thought of something I want from Reid in the Senate. I want him to move to protect the filibuster from any attempts to “go nuclear” in the future. Enshrine a senate rule that protects the filibuster (and perhaps other senate rules) such that to change the rule AT ANY TIME requires a 3/4 majority vote in the Senate. Take the “nuclear option” forevermore off the table.
Steve @ 13
I couldn’t agree more. I wrote a letter to Speaker Pelosi today on exactly this issue. I would have also e-mailed her but as a non-constituent she doesn’t accept emails. Hoyer is exactly the face of KStreet corruption
nicemonster @ 181
Actually, the Supremes said this year (in the Texas redistricting case) that they didn’t give a flying f*ck, as long as the provisions of the Voting Rights Act are more-or-less upheld.
Any state lege that wants to redistrict got a green light to do it.
BC
yo Christie,
Since it appears you have the speaker’s ear,
please report that, for lots of us, certain issues need to be addressed urgently. For example, once you blow the top off a mountain in West VA, you can’t put it back. Global warming also cannot wait. The libraries of data Bush locked up must be reopened to scientists and engineers.
I know environmental issues are a loaded subject, likely to stir up storms of controversy. But a few things are deteriorating too fast to wait for the next election.
Pass that on, will you?
Can I just say…Jon Tester has an awesome haircut!
Yes – I was soooo impressed by the union guys working with Lamont and all the other CT Dem campaigns. They certainly know their stuff when it comes to elections.
It makes me sick that Chuck and Rahm are so focused on the gravy train. I’d like to know, aside from minimum wage, what the Dems plan to do to help the working men & women of this country attain a better life?
Praedor Atrebates @ 210
From your lips to God’s ear.
Lieberliar is a vindictive, spiteful, egotistical man who should not be allowed to have any impact on domestic or foreign policy.
And I love the way Schumer & others are coming out of the woodwork, two days after the election, making it clear that they were doing all they could for Lieberliar behind the scenes – while they stuck a knife in the Democratic nominee’s back. Schumer, Billary and the others all have blood on their hands and we know it. I hope they will end up paying for their shameful roles in subverting democracy.
I would like to know – who do they think bloggers are? Do they understand that we are of all ages – teens through 90? Do they understand that we perform a range of functions in society from students, to doctors, lawyers, educators, business people, etc.?
Do they understand that we are their constituents?
Get a clue Democratic leadership. Get a clue.
How about addressing the problems with the vote?! If that was working, the Dems would have won even bigger and the horror’s of the last 6 years would not have occurred (although the plus side is it is waking people up to the corporate/conservative agenda).
We need a system that is trustworthy, verifiable and understandable by anyone!! Any technology implementation of counting the votes is doomed to failure. Period!
The problem with technology is the leverage over information becomes much more concentrated into fewer hands. That will always be a problem. Those who want to steal the vote, to “count” it, will always be lurking; always be probing for a weak spot! Just look at the current situation.
The only good solutions for fraud is human involvement, vigilance and to disperse/distribute the accounting. Distribute it, into local people’s hands. If something is compromised, it will have a very small impact, and there are ways to deal with that:
* Paper ballots, hand counted, results released locally then rolled up.
* Use optical scanners, preferably not at the local counting precinct, to verify the hand counts.
* Record and allow publicly viewable rooms or web-cams to monitor all aspects of vote counting.
* Very severe penalties for maliciously compromising the vote; whether by counting or disenfranchisement techniques.
* Create enough precincts to make the counting manageable.
What technology would be good for here is confirmation and observation, not the original counting.
As a bonus, hand counting and having observable methods encourages involvement of people in their election system. We spend too much time making it as quick and painless, to the point of obliviousness. As for the vote counters and poll workers, pay them a stipend to do it, put the money wasted on these rube-Goldberg contraptions of privatized voting systems back into the local economy instead of corporations committed to republicans, or whomever they wish to manipulate to their own ends.
First steps need to be get the ethics committee beefed up like nobody’s business… then clean OUR OWN HOUSE. Kick Jefferson LOUDLY and PUBLICLY to the curb FIRST THING.
This will help Waxman and Conyers greatly down the road as they dig into the investigations that need to occur. If we demonstrate we are open, transparent, consistent and ethical regardless of party ID, it will be not just the correct thing to do, but will lay the groundwork and arms us well when we start doing the correct thing to change course and holding the GOP and the Bush White House to account.
DefJef @ 10:
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Term limits is NOT a “progressive value.” If we had them, we wouldn’t have Henry Waxman, Charlie Rangel, John Conyers, Ted Kennedy, lots of others.
Every two years (in the House, every six in the Senate) we have an opportunity to enforce “term limits” on anyone we don’t like.
The artificial “term limits” operates under the fiction that Washington “corrupts” people if they stay for longer than X number of years. What bull!!! Some folks get “corrupted” in 2 years; others not at all.
Solution: send GOOD people, kick ‘em out if they stray.