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	<title>Comments on: The Wisdom of Fred Barnes</title>
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		<title>By: deandra</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-375160</link>
		<dc:creator>deandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We need to start by verbally negating the repetition that Americans are conservative.  We are NOT. That conservatism is NOT the ideal.  We also need to ignore any rantings made by Emanuel and Schumer.  They are simply nuts.  We need to thank Howard Dean.  And we need not suffer fools gladly.  (Definition of ‘fools’ — Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to start by verbally negating the repetition that Americans are conservative.  We are NOT. That conservatism is NOT the ideal.  We also need to ignore any rantings made by Emanuel and Schumer.  They are simply nuts.  We need to thank Howard Dean.  And we need not suffer fools gladly.  (Definition of ‘fools’ — Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman!)</p>
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		<title>By: victoria</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-375039</link>
		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 07:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Best immediate analysis of election I have heard today was on CSPAN online - an AARP panel of polling experts. The Dem pollster said the words for the newly elected Dems were PROGRESSIVE, PRAGMATIC, AUTHENTIC. +  CHANGE AGENTS. Sounds good to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also some interesting stuff about changing party constituencies - Dems getting singles, young voters, and Latinos in this round.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best immediate analysis of election I have heard today was on CSPAN online &#8211; an AARP panel of polling experts. The Dem pollster said the words for the newly elected Dems were PROGRESSIVE, PRAGMATIC, AUTHENTIC. +  CHANGE AGENTS. Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>Also some interesting stuff about changing party constituencies &#8211; Dems getting singles, young voters, and Latinos in this round.</p>
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		<title>By: 60th Street</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374604</link>
		<dc:creator>60th Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, my sweet Jane.  I have always admired you from afar.  I have never professed my love for you in writing, restricting myself to humbly reading your wit and wisdom, well…wit, daily without commenting, but after tonight, I have to say your finesse in employing the phrase “crotch lice” was like a cupid cannon through my heart.  I can remain silent no longer.  Marry me Jane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, my sweet Jane.  I have always admired you from afar.  I have never professed my love for you in writing, restricting myself to humbly reading your wit and wisdom, well…wit, daily without commenting, but after tonight, I have to say your finesse in employing the phrase “crotch lice” was like a cupid cannon through my heart.  I can remain silent no longer.  Marry me Jane.</p>
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		<title>By: jussumbody</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374551</link>
		<dc:creator>jussumbody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-374095&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marion in Savannah @ 306 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-374038&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jussumbody @ 256&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
“How likely is this scenario?”�&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay.  I’m gonna jump in here with a bunch of what you must understand is PURE SPECULATION.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But.  Let’s say come January the new Congress is sworn in, and all of a sudden we have some power…  as in subpoena power.  All we need is for 2 or 3 Republican Senators to be indicted and it’s a whole NEW ball game.  THEN we can go after “our own.”  (Which is not to say I think Nomentum is ours, but if he does hold true to his word and caucus with the Dems…  well, you know….)  It may take 6 months, maybe a year.  But I do believe that the new Congress will remember what he did, and sooner or later he will pay.  Down here in Red State country I have learned patience…  (I hate it, but I’ve learned it.)  Does that in any way respond to your question?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it didn’t answer my question.  But thanks for raising the point about the indictment sword cutting both ways.  I forget that Dems can play that game too (at least in theorey they could).  It’s been so long that we’ve been out of power, my basic assumptions about reality need some time to adjust. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for living in red states, I live deep in the heart of Texas, and it has not made me one bit more patient.  I’m told payback is a bitch, and I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that her name is Pelosi.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-374095"><em>Marion in Savannah @ 306 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-374038"><em>jussumbody @ 256</em></a><br />
“How likely is this scenario?”�</p>
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<p>Okay.  I’m gonna jump in here with a bunch of what you must understand is PURE SPECULATION.</p>
<p>But.  Let’s say come January the new Congress is sworn in, and all of a sudden we have some power…  as in subpoena power.  All we need is for 2 or 3 Republican Senators to be indicted and it’s a whole NEW ball game.  THEN we can go after “our own.”  (Which is not to say I think Nomentum is ours, but if he does hold true to his word and caucus with the Dems…  well, you know….)  It may take 6 months, maybe a year.  But I do believe that the new Congress will remember what he did, and sooner or later he will pay.  Down here in Red State country I have learned patience…  (I hate it, but I’ve learned it.)  Does that in any way respond to your question?</p>
<p>No, it didn’t answer my question.  But thanks for raising the point about the indictment sword cutting both ways.  I forget that Dems can play that game too (at least in theorey they could).  It’s been so long that we’ve been out of power, my basic assumptions about reality need some time to adjust. </p>
<p>As for living in red states, I live deep in the heart of Texas, and it has not made me one bit more patient.  I’m told payback is a bitch, and I pray to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that her name is Pelosi.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Williams</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374537</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’d be better for all of us to stop thinking that the conservative impulse in America somehow changed over the course of this election cycle, culminating with last night’s drubbing of the Team Red.  Conservatism is alive and well — it was only Republican management of the conservative agenda that was rejected.  All the values voters, libertarians, and fundamentalist Christians didn’t go away, and they aren’t going to.  We should really drop this silly rhetoric of division.  Calling people “spittle-soaked” and “crotch lice” doesn’t even feel that great, not really.  This isn’t personal.  I’m from Philadelphia but I live in Whatcom County, Washington.  There are more churches here than you can shake a crucifix at.  And guess what, they’re mostly just like us. In fact, they are us — Americans!  So get over the gloating and the trash talk, and start trying to figure out how we’re going to find enough common ground with these people to keep them voting with us.  And if that changes the Democratic party…  Well, the sun will still rise, and hopefully it’ll rise on a happier and healthier United States of America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’d be better for all of us to stop thinking that the conservative impulse in America somehow changed over the course of this election cycle, culminating with last night’s drubbing of the Team Red.  Conservatism is alive and well — it was only Republican management of the conservative agenda that was rejected.  All the values voters, libertarians, and fundamentalist Christians didn’t go away, and they aren’t going to.  We should really drop this silly rhetoric of division.  Calling people “spittle-soaked” and “crotch lice” doesn’t even feel that great, not really.  This isn’t personal.  I’m from Philadelphia but I live in Whatcom County, Washington.  There are more churches here than you can shake a crucifix at.  And guess what, they’re mostly just like us. In fact, they are us — Americans!  So get over the gloating and the trash talk, and start trying to figure out how we’re going to find enough common ground with these people to keep them voting with us.  And if that changes the Democratic party…  Well, the sun will still rise, and hopefully it’ll rise on a happier and healthier United States of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jaz</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374375</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 02:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-373776&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;sofistic @&lt;br /&gt;
                18              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You know, I’m really getting weary of this blue dem denial thing.  How come they don’t get that we are heading in a progressive direction that is anything but centrist.  And the society is heading that way for the long term.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heading in a progressive direction that is anything but centrist?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t get out much past Vermont, do you?  Call me when most of the country gets close to -1000 on the conservative (negative) to liberal (positive) number line…until then, I’m still sleeping, ’cause there’s far too much conservatism in this country for me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-373776"><em>sofistic @<br />
                18              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You know, I’m really getting weary of this blue dem denial thing.  How come they don’t get that we are heading in a progressive direction that is anything but centrist.  And the society is heading that way for the long term.</p>
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<p>Heading in a progressive direction that is anything but centrist?</p>
<p>You don’t get out much past Vermont, do you?  Call me when most of the country gets close to -1000 on the conservative (negative) to liberal (positive) number line…until then, I’m still sleeping, ’cause there’s far too much conservatism in this country for me.</p>
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		<title>By: montag</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374132</link>
		<dc:creator>montag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-374045&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 263&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Waxman is one of the most dedicated and honest people ever to serve this nation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now we get to see some of the Democratic servants doing their thing….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That means dingleberries like James Inhofe in Oklahoma can take some time off to find out if any family member has ever engaged in any gay sex.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In keeping with the general trend, I simply have to say that that’s an affront to dingleberries….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-374045"><em>GSD @ 263</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Waxman is one of the most dedicated and honest people ever to serve this nation.</p>
<p>Now we get to see some of the Democratic servants doing their thing….</p>
<p>That means dingleberries like James Inhofe in Oklahoma can take some time off to find out if any family member has ever engaged in any gay sex.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>In keeping with the general trend, I simply have to say that that’s an affront to dingleberries….</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374117</link>
		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/hey-red-state-howd-that-work-out-for-you/&quot;&gt;Hey Red State, How’d That Work Out For You?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; that means new thread, folks.]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/hey-red-state-howd-that-work-out-for-you/">Hey Red State, How’d That Work Out For You?</a></p>
<p><em>[Mod Note; that means new thread, folks.]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Marion in Savannah</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374114</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion in Savannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-374085&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @&lt;br /&gt;
                299              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Olbermann says it is “almost certain” the Demos will take over the Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Rumsfeld compares himself to Churchill. Get reality. Don.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, see,  WE’RE the people stuck in a “reality based” world…  Them?  They don’t need no stinkin’ reality…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-374085"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @<br />
                299              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Olbermann says it is “almost certain” the Demos will take over the Senate.</p>
<p>And Rumsfeld compares himself to Churchill. Get reality. Don.</p>
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<p>Well, see,  WE’RE the people stuck in a “reality based” world…  Them?  They don’t need no stinkin’ reality…</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/08/the-wisdom-of-fred-barnes/#comment-374105</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-373783&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 24 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Patrick at 15 — ba dum bum…no, but a wingnutty looking geezer reading the latest O’Reilly “book” sitting near me did a double take when I said “First, let me say congratulations, Madame Speaker…” and then went on with my point.  *g*  That was, admittedly, fun.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;707!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-373783"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 24 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Patrick at 15 — ba dum bum…no, but a wingnutty looking geezer reading the latest O’Reilly “book” sitting near me did a double take when I said “First, let me say congratulations, Madame Speaker…” and then went on with my point.  *g*  That was, admittedly, fun.</p>
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<p>707!!!</p>
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