
I ask you, considering the margins that we are looking at this morning in a whole lot of the races that the Democrats won yesterday, in both the House and the Senate, what was Rahm Emmanuel thinking saying this:
In private talks before the election, Emanuel and other top Democrats told their members they cannot allow the party's liberal wing to dominate the agenda next year. Democrats will hold 30 or 35 seats that went for Bush in the past, meaning that Democratic candidates such as Brad Ellsworth in rural Indiana are likely to face competitive races again in 2008. Still, their interests are likely to collide with those of veteran liberals such as Reps. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.) and John Conyers Jr., (Mich.), who will chair committees.
With that in mind, there is a chance the 110th Congress could begin on a bipartisan note. Democrats have vowed to move quickly to tighten ethics laws and require offsets for new spending — two plans many Republicans will probably support in light of yesterday's results. Democrats also plan to push next year to raise the minimum wage, increase spending for cargo inspection at ports and reduce rates on student loans, all issues likely to draw some GOP support.
Partisan standoffs are likely over the war and any Democratic efforts to repeal Bush's tax cuts for upper-income America. In both cases, Democratic divisions could complicate Pelosi's plans. Democrats largely avoided detailed positions on a new Iraq strategy, but votes over spending for the military and the Iraq operation will force them to take a position.
Let me get this straight, we have just taken back the House and, looking more likely as of this morning, the Senate, and Rahm's first priority is to shore up his power base and his ties to KStreet. Heckuva job, Rahm. (Oh, and "other top Democratic members?" Hi, Steny. Sheesh these people are transparent, and the media is either too tired or too dense to call them on this crap. Pathetic.)
Here's a thought: try governing. Try saying thank you to your base who delivered not just wins for several of your hand-picked candidates, but wins for a helluva lot of folks that you barely acknowledged existed until the last couple of weeks where it became undeniable that they had a chance of winning. Leadership is not grabbing power with both hands. Real leaders acknowledge that it takes the work of a whole lot of folks — progressives, moderates, conservatives — all working together, but adhering to their own principles and to the will of their constituents. And real leaders say "thank you" instead of "screw you, we're doing it my way."
So Rahm, here's a message from your constituents who just worked their asses off to give their party a victory: don't be a back-stabbing ass. Nancy Pelosi deserves more loyalty and less personal power grabbing from you and your selfish posse. Bi-partisanship is fantastic when it is working properly, with everyone involved acting in good faith. I don't know about you guys, but I think the Republican party needs to prove that it has some good faith before we start caving in to their demands. And I am fairly certain that even Rahm understands that. Which makes me wonder — what's really the motivation behind his backdoor machinations and quote planting in the WaPo this morning.
And what is with reporters who allow idiocy like Emmanuel saying that liberal opinions ought to be discarded, and that only the centrists should have a say, and then characterizing that somehow as "inclusive." Um…hello…exclusion is decidedly not inclusive. And I'm here to tell you right now that Henry Waxman had better be sitting in that committee chairman's seat overseeing the rampant war profiteering oversight, or there is going to be a world of shit headed directly at a certain ballet-dancer-turned-self-promoter's head. Some principles should not be sacrificed — and allowing big companies to steal from the federal government because you are hoping they will donate to your campaign coffers is not — I repeat NOT — acceptable. Period. So cross that off the list if it's there, it is non-negotiable.
If you think for a moment that those of us who just worked our asses off for a win are simply going to roll over and say thank you when you spit on us, you can think again. And, while we're at it, Nancy Pelosi deserves better than a sneaky planted quote knife in her back — and Rahm owes her an apology.
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YEAH !!!
Blue Skys in Arizona this morning!
Zero – and VICTORY. One sad note (of the immediate present) – I really hate losing that beautiful sunny beach to the mugs shots above.
Impeach!
Richmond — trust me, there will be more posts. But that needed saying and now.
answers the question, “who’s next?”
What you said, Christy. What you said.
Ed Markey, hope he gets Energy and E-Commerce chair.
Actually, I see this sweep as an opportunity to get rid of Rahm. In fact, I think job one to start right now is a primary candidate search.
I mean, why lose the momentum of the base?
Sorry if this has been said already but I’ve been waiting most of my life to throw this one out and MEAN IT.
ITS MORNING IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well, all – have a wonderful, terrific day! now, I’m late, late, late…
Pelosi has a big California delegation behind her. She will be Speaker. I am interested in hearing from Howard Dean.
and while they’re at it, pelosi says their first step should be ethics reform, which i applaud. and after that, i think they should take a hard look at consolidation in the media, and pass further restrictions aimed at getting corporate mindset out of our media and get them back to practicing journalism.
Spats!
ipso facto
I’ll say the same thing to Rahm that I did to Schumer:
Keep talking. We’re watching. And we have long memories.
It’s all about MMMMEEEEEE!!!!
Ya know these guys may be toast by 08, or a thte least 2010.
Dean should get the credit, as well as you craaazzyy leftist bloggo whoevers. Who was Rahms guy in TN? Chevy? Cadillac? Oh yea Ford. Way to pick em Rahm.
As for the entrenched pictured above, their day will come. and soon enough.
I feel like Madame DeFarge in my own frickin party.
Speaker Pelosi
Chairman Waxman
Quite a ring to them both.
AZ Matt @ 2
YES INDEED. Hayworth is GONE. And Janet is Presidential material. She should be the first woman President. 65% win in a Red state???? She has what it takes to win on a national level.
Dems are now faced with the prospect of actually GOVERNING. If they win the senate and take a 30 seat advantage in the house- there will be high expectations- and they will have to actually get something done.
The goopers made the mistake of confusing political posturing for governing. Instead of fixing problems- they proposed flag burning amendments. Americans saw through the bullshit.
It is NOT a time for victory laps and partisan politics- it’s a time to get things done- which means working with the goopers and with (puke) Clusterfuck. Anything less will make this the shortest reign in history.
House and Senate.
I need a damn smoke after a night like the one we just had.
AZ Matt @ 12
Anyone know how Rodriguez did ?.
US mid-terms: What next for Bush?
What impact will the election have on the Bush presidency?
And how did Rahm’s chosen candidates do?
(crickets)
Go Blue America!
Zing.
Keep drawing from that quiver, Redd.
Oh, we’ll play kinda nice, RW. But we’re watching.
And noticing.
And remembering.
“Smoke”
OH shit that sounds good!!
Thank you, Christy, thank you.
Today is a new day.
And today is the first day of our search for a primary candidate to run against Rahm Emmanuel.
Christine Cegelis, you’re one helluva fighter. Are you up for it?
Anybody else got candidates to suggest for Rahm’s seat? Let’s start juicing the Blue America 2007 and get the primary candidate funds in place.
You have the power, just in case you forgot in the giddy, champagne-fueled excitement. ;-)
Let Nancy Pelosi speak for herself and for us, Rahm. She’s better at it than you.
Great Post Christy. Perfectly on target: 1) Think about how to govern now; 2) Thank the base who got you there – and start listening to them; 3) Quit with the back stabbing.
I would add another: 4) Clean up your act. Corruption AND the Iraq war were the reasons why we swept. Both are issues that the Dems have had serious problems with and need to address if they want to win in 2008 and keep our Congressional strength.
Amen, CHS.
This election is simply the first phase of reclaiming the Republic. Phase two is ensuring accountablity. And that means the Rahm Emmanuels, Chuck Schumers, Joe Liebermans, and Hillary Clintons of Capital Hill should be on warning that we’ve had enough of the b*llshit of triangulation, capitulation, and false “bipartisanship” that works to ensure their reelections the special interests that support them, and not good governance for ALL Americans.
Phase Three is electing more progressives in 2008.
Yeeeeehhhhhhaaaaawwwwwwww!
rwcole @ 20
Let’s be clear about one thing, though: “working with” does not mean “rolling over for.”
The GOPers are also all up for reelection and Dubya is not. That’s the big card that Dems will have going for them when it comes to standing up to the White House. Are republicans willing to stand their ground to defend an indefensible lame duck? They saw the returns last night, and those that survived never want to see them again.
Rahm Delay (or maybe it’s Ralph, I forget).
Sorry Ned lost. But keep an eye on Joe-boy and there can always be a chance for a recall.
susan @ 22
Lost
http://election.cbsnews.com/ca…..l?state=CA
Rahm dumped $3 million into Tammy Duckworth, just to protect his ego, and she lost. How many other close seats could that have pushed over the egde?
Rahm is a failure.
Not even one day of celebrations has passed and they’re already rallying around Lieberman and the Bullmoose!
Why don’t they instead repeat what incertus at DailyKos says to repeat over and over and over:
Senator-ELECT Tester
Senator-ELECT Webb.
We have taken the Senate, too! Yes.
Drown the MSM in their insatiable need for shadenfreude regarding Democrats. Hey, Mr Emmanuel, live up to your name and ‘be with us’ but recognize that you’re not anykind of deity.
Dems actually DID have a platform of sorts- and ergo- a mandate of sorts.
Including but not limited to- minimum wage and fixing the fucked up gooper prescription drug plan.
They have an unspoken mandate to hold hearings and figure out what the alternatives are in Iraq and work with Clusterfuck to move us down a more reasonable path.
Focus.
who else but Digby has the answer -
“You can feel the foundations of the status quo crumbling and all the panicked insiders looking around frantically for purchase.”
We have a liberal wing?? What have I been missing?
Thank you.
Richmond @
30
Exactly! what they need to do is transform the belief that “all politicions are corrupt” by *gasp* NOT BEING CORRUPT!
We definitely need to press Rahm at every turn. Is this about the people or about power?
Rayne @
28
Yesss! Let the vetting begin. Is Howie in the house?
EPU’d:
Pssst…hot stock tip…sell Haliburton short…and Bechtel…and Blackwater…and oh btw, Exxon-Mobil, BP, and any other Oil thingies.
Pssst…another hot tip…buy Defense Attorneys…demand exceeds supply.
Subpoenas, big tax bites and jail-time heading their way pronto.
jagoff – what the American people voted for was real change – not simply having the Democratic Party replace the Republican Party at the K-Street feeding trough. As much as he wants those tasty free lunches paid for by the lobbies that’s not what is expected. The congress is a sink hole of corruption – it’s time to clean the stables not pretend it smells like rosewater.
EPU’D:
Halliburton (nyse: HAL – news – people ), Wal-Mart (nyse: WMT – news – people ) and other companies Democrats believe are bilking taxpayers or workers will be hauled before Congress. Executive compensation and hedge funds will come under fire.
“There will be a much greater antipathy to corporate interests to getting their way in the lobby process,” argues Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future, an outside group that works on behalf of Democratic candidates.
Democrats won’t hesitate to pass legislation that is headed for a presidential veto as long as it sharpens the distinction between them and Bush.
Straight out of the gate, a Democratic Congress will repeal tax breaks for the oil and gas industry, raise the minimum wage and hand the federal government the power to haggle with drug companies on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries.
http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/08/electio ns-vote-counting-biz-wash-cx_jh_1108vote .html?partner=msn
And why is Tom DeLay all over the freaking tv today? He’s under indictment for multiple felonies and resigned in disgrace. Who cares what he has to say?
‘the media is either too tired or too dense to call them on this crap. ‘
well you know christy, actually they’re just institutionally like rahm…this have this borg ‘centrist’ or ‘moderate’ or ‘GOP’ mindset that no one seems to be able to shake out of them… even though it doesn’t exist. i keep hearing about how the dems can’t allow themselves to move to the ‘far left’ but i have yet to see anyone define what that means. accountability and fairness in governing? becase that’s all anyone i know who’s ‘far left’ is asking for… but it seems like the corporate media is having a REALLY hard time digesting that…
So it seems that our work is not yet done.
Here’s what I think we need:
We need a list of democratic candidates sponsored by Rahm, and their winning percentages.
We need a list of candidates sponsored by Dean, and their winning percentages.
We need a timeline showing activity in those sponsorings (ie, something that shows the 50 state strategy, and when it was implemented, as opposed to Rahm’s very conservative attempts to retake power).
This report needs to be disseminated to all the major media outlets. If they won’t do their homework and call Howard Dean, we need to rub their noses in it.
I hate that the morning after a huge win like this, there’s already this division. I feel like there’s an imminent collapse under our own weight before the 110th even meets. We must change the narrative, and quickly, otherwise we’ll end up seeing more of Rahm and not get the references to moveon, FDL, Dailykos, and Dean we should be in the MSM. Otherwise, look for more triangulation strategies.
It’s easy, Rahm: “Thank you.” Try it in front a mirror a few times first so you get it right. We’ll wait.
The other message we aren’t hearing above all the gum-flapping by Rahm and that vampiric-whore media:
Rover bet the farm on Lieberman.
$20 million dollars was spent on buying Lieberman that could have been spent buying Republican victories in other Senate and House races.
It should be absolutely crystal-clear to the Democratic Party that Rover placed this bet thinking Lieberman was a surer thing than Rover’s own Repugs. We need to hammer this home to people like Rahm and Schumer, that within their own ranks, in spite of all their gum-flapping glory-talk, that they still have ticking timebombs within their ranks that will not vote party line, that will flout them because they are crappy leaders as heads of DCCC and DSCC.
And Rover may yet get a laugh on them if they can’t figure out how to rein in the timebombs instead of beating on the true-blue progressives in their ranks like Henry Waxman and John Conyers.
I keep thinking back to the visual on Huffington – the graph of money being bet on the races, with the Dems taking the Senate declining precipitiously ’til it feel off the chart. NO ONE thought it was possible on the right or the left. That it seems to have happened is HUGE. It is the GOTV campaign, and speaking truth to power.
Also, remember for 2 years from now. The early polls were on target.
rwcole @ 20
I hadn’t yet got to thinking about it, but wow! Two years with no flag-burning amendments, no official-English idiocy, no (US Constitution) gay marriage amendments, or any of that “let’s vote on symbolic acts while ignoring real problems” crap. Awesome!
Balls cried the queen, if I had them I’d be king.
The one part of the above Forbes article will be my mantra’d response (below)to any republican saying we are now doomed….but I will add in impeachment and I look forward to the first woman president also. If the shoe was on the other foot, Hastert would be king.
—–
Straight out of the gate, a Democratic Congress will repeal tax breaks for the oil and gas industry, raise the minimum wage and hand the federal government the power to haggle with drug companies on behalf of Medicare beneficiaries.
DeLay is so depressed his brain is scrambled. He cannot even respond intelligently to Rita Cosby.
Rita Cosby, for God’s sake!
Hmmmm. The comments page on that WaPo article is unavailable for viewing. Thought I might do my part to flood the comments section with criticism of Rahm’s knock on the Dem progressive base. We should not be silent.
If anyone is owed an apology, it’s Howard Dean. At least on the network TV (and can I say that even 10 minutes of Katie Couric was too much), I didn’t see poor Howard mentioned ONCE. Howard did all that work, and it was all Rahm and Chuck taking the credit, of course.
And now I’m hearing conservatives asking for “bipartisanship” and crap. Hell no! I want at least a little revenge…for all the middle-of-the-night voting and arm-twisting and rule-bending and putting-Ken-whatisface-in-charge-at-PBS and Terry-Schiavo and upperdown-yapping and talking-point-faxing to networks and Conyers-in-the-basement and Katrina and all those damn smirkers smikConyers-getting-the-White-House-Gate-shut-in-his-face and shutting Democrats out of conference committee and me diving for the mute every ten seconds because the news is obligated to play every Bush warronterra campaign speech written only to distract from every major policy gaffe that threatens to break into even the bought-and-paid-for news cycles.
They ask for olive branches, but don’t extend any themselves. Don’t trust them. And if they do extend an olive branch, check it for a poison tip.
The second I saw Tom Delay on the teevee last night, I turned to my husband and remarked that ‘ole Tom appeared to have had “some work” on his face.
Did anyone else think that?
I can’t believe that the stupid whisky voice is interviewing DeLay on t.v.!
How terribly insulting on this victory day. Just ridiculous! Why would anyone care what he says about anything? Now claiming the only way the Dems work with Bush is if he capitulates–and that this Dem win will be short-lived. Oh, and he’s a great fan of Rummy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
Hey, if our Delay can get air time (Emanuel), then it’s only fair.
The establishment media is the instrument of the DC/K Street Elites, after all.
Dairymaid at 58 — well, he’s definitely had a brow lift done.
Anyone want to bet on how Libby is feeling this lovely November morn’?
I saw Katie Couric for the first time on TV last night since went Evening News. Talk about a bad face job! And she seemed so sniveling – an empty suit teetering on bad heels.
ccmask @ 62
cramping and bloated?
Speaking of Fitz……
Kouric has got to be sorry she made that move.
1,326 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
YOU GO GIRL!!! HIT ‘IM AGAIN, HE’S STILL BREATHIN’!!!
I’m afraid that there is not gunna be any time for you to recharge dear… the netroots need to get behind Nancy P and give the progressives in the Congress a good shot of testosterone. That means that you and Citizen Hamsher hafta lead another charge to provide the progressives cover to take care of the weasels and the fellow-travelers.
The battle against fascism and corporatism has started inside the Democratic Party and the only way we keep the oligarchy from creating a Likud out of the Democratic Party is to shine a light on these cockroaches and let ‘em try and do their shit in public.
Have I said “thank you” lately for bein here…well if I haven’t, I’m sayin it now, you are the most admirable person in America right now (with yer pard Janie) and we can’t do this thing without ya. My two daughters and three granddaughters have 2 more role models up there with Eleanor Roosevelt and Rosa Luxemburg.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KEEP PASSIN US THE AMMUNITION…THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES!!!
Rahm is a young Holy Joe intraining both are willing to bendover for the GOP because they like the corporate money both tell themselves being in the center got Clinton to power. They forget they lost congress for over 12 yrs with that idea and lost the whitehouse for 8 yrs to a chimp! We the left have given people something to believe in again! Get out of Iraq, make the economy better, healthcare either we deliver on OUR MANDATE from a bigger majority of the voters than bush, and Newt EVER GOT! (we will know for sure when final vote totals are in). Or heck we can follow Rahm’s advice and go back to losing!
ccmask @ 66
Not as sorry as us. I want my Rather back!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
I don’t know what it’s called…but there was some sort of nip and tuck.
Christy, you were fantastic last night, and I was so grateful to be at this site, while streaming you and Jane. You have built something so wonderful.
Dana @
59
Hiya Dana and thank you very much for your work for WEBB!
omg.
I’m with you Christy, Delay is sooooo over, he says dems did not win reps.lost. HEE HAW What a great day for America
Seems to be some jockeying going on already- normal with a victory.
Hope we get past it soon.
In the end the country will decide how left or how “centered” the dems will be- with their votes.
Morning everyone!
Stayed up past 2am, so groggy. Anything happen last night?
Just kidding *g*
HEY JUNIOR!
CAN YOU SPELL
M A N D A T E ?!
!YEEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!
MAN that felt good!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
His future cellmate had him do it. Gots to look purty when he puts on that orange jumpsuit.
Well, that was interesting. My Safari did something weird, and couldn’t read keystrokes properly. Stuff all over the place, but only in Safari!
I say we start looking for a replacement for Rahm, the sooner the better.
Dairymaid at 69 — awww, so sweet of you to say. Jane and I were talking last night about how incredibly proud we are of how much everyone has done on this election — and how we hope everyone is so proud of themselves. This truly has been the best that politics can be, and I’m so grateful to be a part of it.
DeLay
Rahm is a sham.
I dislike him.
He’s a Lieberman with dark hair.
DeLay’s face….. termite problem?
Could try a whole-house fogger.
I’ve heard those can be effective. *g*
twolf1 @ 77
Wow, we need to continue to send strong mojo energy to Wyoming for Gary Trauner:
The battles continue.
achn2b @ 13
Spot on. After listening to Matthews last night, it is apparent that corporate media is going after the 110th; it’s time to break up that monopoly – we need new laws to force diversification of media ownership.
Note: last night, an ad stating that “Net Neutrality is Bad for Consumers” aired regularly during election coverage.
The fight is just beginning
Well,it might be raining here,and cold,but in my heart it’s sunny and warm with just the teensiest bit of gloating. Neener,neener,neener,lol.
As for Rahm,and the rest of the Dem pansyasses,I hope they’re scared,they need to be.
My happiest moment was seeing Ney/Padgett’s old seat go Blue. My daughter and grandbabies live there,and today,I’m writing a heartfelt letter to Zack Space asking him to visit the poorest part of his district and do something that will help these folks rise out of poverty and get some decent jobs back to that area.
I’m in GA,not alot changed from red to blue here,but that’s ok,we won overall,now we can grab the buckets of bleach water and scrub brushes and get some cleaning done.
YAY!!! Coffee and donuts all around,on me.
Murtha running hard for majority leader.
Important race- Murtha is VERY conservative- if he wins- it will put a more conservative face on the party in the house.
That will be your bell weather I suspect.
Fabulous. Thanks for this.
When my beloved Cardinals were making a push in the playoffs and I dared to believe, at a certain point while playing the Mets I recalled a line of Billy Crystal’s that captured everything for me wrt to how powerful the Mets and Tigers were. It’s called Where’s your Messiah now?
the link can be a little tricky to get the clip to play but worth it:
http://aol.musicnow.com/az/artist.jhtml?id=5785215
It’s the perfect salute to the vaunted genius of KarlRoverer, the monied advantage of the R’s and the gerrymandering.
Sorry Christy,
but I have to disagree. Many of the Dem’s who DID get elected are centrists or even RIGHT of the Democrat’s center: Kentucky, Indiana, Casey, McCaskill, Webb, Tester, to name some.
This is a very conservative country overall and if the populace gets a WHIFF of ‘overt’ progressivism, we will be OUT of that House and Senate in ‘08 so fast you won’t . We won this election with the independents and moderates, who had been breaking Rethug the last 6 years. This is NOT a wave of liberalism that swept the country. It was an unhappiness with the Iraq War.
Christy Hardin Smith @
47
He makes good “news”, like having some weird criminal who’s likely to say anything, and TeeVee needs to entertain. Same with “what’s up” with the media: the truth is too complicated and boring, is the thought by the producers, so they gloss over the details, don’t challenge the power spokesmen, and make everything a competition. Otherwise, their audience clicks somewhere else and they can’t sell us that new Lexus or the latest magic pharma for acid reflux. Every single programing decison is designed to (1) attract views, and (2) don’t lose any viewers. So we get “both sides” and superficiality.
It’s idiocy, brought down to it’s lowest common denominator. Education is hard—we have to think—so the producers give us what they think we want: just the superficial news and the titillating entertainment.
“…world of shit…” “…headed directly at a certain ballet-dancer-turned-self-promoter’s head.”
That is just beautiful! True poetry.
Go netroots!
When there is polarization there is not center, much less a “vibrant” one.
This is more of the same BS.
Late to this thread, but I guess Christy got her coffee. This is some righteous well deserved blowback for Rahm evilmindedness. They believe that by having joe win, the netroots have been defeated.
Ummmm, NOT BY A LONG SHOT YOU, YOU,… [
EXACTLY. Let’s get rid of him next. He’s the main reason I’ve changed from Dem to Indy in the past year. He let the Kirk seat go in Illinois because he didn’t back the better candidate, Seals. He promoted Duckworth, who was ok, over the “local” candidate, Cegalis, who was too progressive for him. He needs to go.
Perhaps Rahm and Chuck and the Bugman are on TV this morning because they’re the ones with fuck-all to do right now. Speaker Pelosi, Dean, et al are working on the game plan for our NEW DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. Too busy for TV.
LJ/Aquaria @
21
I’m still in the mood. Wanna do it again?
Dems did what they needed to do to win. Since much of the battle took place in red states- many of the victories came from red state dems- it was logical!
This was an unusual election where americans rose up to strike down a party that became visibly disfunctional. In that kind of a climate- dems could pull it off with candidates who were very goopery.
In a more normal climate- dems are gonna have to be DEMS to win- although the tent has to be big enough to make room for the new wave of moderates who just brought us victory.
Hayduke @
19
Agreed. I was a little bummed we couldn’t dump Kyl though. I must admit, I’d gotten my hopes up. I guess taking Abramoff money, selling out to K-street, voting for torture, etc. weren’t enough to tip it.
–MarkusQ
It seems most of the analysis from the MSM revolves around a couple of storylines.
One, Nancy Pelosi, a liberal, will have trouble dealing with her own party because of the more centrist or conservative dems coming on board.
Two, Bush was a great consensus builder in Texas, and he’ll do a great job working with the opposition going forward. Never mind that Dems have been shunted to the side and demonized for the last four years.
Three, that Bush is ‘energized’ by the vote and works best when he has an adversary.
So the coverage trend continues —winning is bad for the Democrats and good for the GOP.
1,326 DYAZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Mike D:
There is just one word for your troll emesis up stream: BULLSHIT!
Now crawl back under the bridge and look for someone stupid enough to take you seriously.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS OFF THE GROUND!!!
Just to clear the air, I am happier than heck that Pelosi will be (did I hear Murtha was looking at challenging her?) the speaker of the house, but I will never forget her ‘evanhanded’ rebuke to Dean. Nope, never going to forget.
Patrick 4/4 @ 94
yessirreee, in 2008!
Mike D @ 87
Don’t agree AT ALL – look at Ohio, and R. I. and Bernie Sanders – to say nothing of the Governor races. And, the exit polls suggest that the Iraq war was a critical issue for a huge number of the population. And also – look at the stem cell vote and the anti-anti-Abortion vote. This IS about liberal issues, from increasing the minimum wage to preserving social security to honesty (and accountability) in government.
I am so damn happy about Webb this morning I don’t know what to do with myself.
I sit down, look at the results, stand up, bless myself, get more coffee, sit down, look again and bless myself.
No doubt a recount but still.
And Whoohoo to Tester too! Love the do.
What liberal things did they not want to pursue–Iraq, ethics, minimum wage, etc?
There is a reason we support moderate candidates like Webb and Tester, etc–because we share the same values–Democratic values.
How is the liberal different from them? For me it sounds like power play.
Mr. Rahm–it is not about liberal or moderate but Loyalty.
grandma
No I think Murtha is runnning for majority leader- not speaker. Pelosi will be speaker.
There were some reports of problems in voting yesterday, including reports of long lines, voting machine malfunctions and court disputes over ballot procedures. In South Carolina, Republican Governor Mark Sanford was turned away at his polling place by election officials who told him he had insufficient identification, CNN reported.
The FBI was investigating reports in Virginia that voters received telephone calls to direct them to the wrong polling place or discourage them from voting.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..refer=home
No coffee break for Sysyphus, apparently.
Now the REAL work starts. Now we start twisting arms, keeping an eye on the blue dogs, and planning for ‘08. Remember this quote?
Jane’s tired of the bluedog story: http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..dog-story/
Let’s make Jane feel better in ‘08. If we cut half the bluedogs out in the primaries, we might not have to do anything in 2010. There might not be any blue dogs left. Lets start with dear Ellen in the CA-10, shall we? I’m just sayin’
Been posting the same message here and there, if you’ve seen it before, sorry.
Mike D @ 87
The point is that conservatives are a minority within the Democratic party! Why the hell should they have so much damn power?! They need to be welcomed into the big tent, but it needs to be made clear who is in control. WE are in control!
Christy to Rahmmy: “don’t be a back-stabbing ass”
And now, dear, tell the wind to stop blowing. The changes must come; they may be slow, but the last vestiges of corporatism need to be leached from the body politic. It will be very, very slow because after all, money does talk. But it needs to happen!
Democrats will hold 30 or 35 seats that went for Bush in the past, meaning that Democratic candidates such as Brad Ellsworth in rural Indiana are likely to face competitive races again in 2008.
Democrats will hold 200 seats in districts that went for Kerry. If the right wing of the Dems takes over, they are likely to face competitive races in 2008.
Rahm: you f’ed up. It’s that simple. The $4M you spent in IL-06 would have brought in a half-dozen other victories in races that were decided by hundreds of votes, even without DCCC support. Duckworth barely got within five thousand even with all that money.
Also: did I mention we have a lot of tasks today? Among them, #2 was establishing that we were key to this victory.
dems need to concentrate on what unites them rather than what divides them if they are going to govern effectively.
rwcole @ 95
“Moderates” brought victory? Other than the GOP’s MSM bluedog spin, how do you justify that claim? If you look at the facts on the ground, the outspoken anti-war, anti-tourture, pro-individual rights “looney left” were the ones that moved the ball down the field. When they tried to be “moderate” (e.g., Lamont post primary) they stopped dead and didn’t make headway until/unless they put up a fight.
–MarkusQ
NorskeFlamethrower @ 98
No need to fall for this liberal v. moderate trap.
We have some very simple and winnable themes. Strength. Justice. Fairness. Accountability.
All of the allegedly liberal and progressive policies fit quite nicely in that kind of frame.
Screw Rahm, Schumer. Hillary and the gutless triangulators.
People respect guts and commitment.
I’d like to see campaign election reform, a level playing field, and a chance for 3rd or 4th parties to be achknowledged as representatives for the liberals and progressives. I have got to say voting yesterday was a hard thing. I read you have to play the odds and if the democratics can’t move from the center, I don’t think they will get my vote ever again. I don’t think they realize, the Democrats, just how many of us are out here wanting real change and not more games.
Hmmmnnn. John Tester huh. One of Act Blue’s candidates again.
stem cell research!
thank you, Michael J. Fox and Claire!
Richmond @ 101
Oh please. Two dozen democrats regularly vote with Bush’s agenda. Open your eyes.
And a very very huge standing ovation to Howie Klein. Howie may have been the difference. Thank you Howie!!
Wow. Larry Kissell refuses to concede in NC. With 100% of votes counted, he’s behind by 468. Anybody closer to the action have details about what happens now?
quote this comment put my comment inside the quote?
snooch @ 118
Oh please. Two dozen democrats regularly vote with Bush’s agenda. Open your eyes.
The subject was yesterday’s election focus – not blue dog people and issues currently in the party. Yesterday definitely had a liberal slant!
Anybody doing a historical analysis about this, I’m curious how it compares with the Thug’s victory in 94. Also, what Thug senators are up in 08?
Will the Actblue website be updated soon to show the wins?
Katie Couric is America’s dunce, dingbat, dimwit, take your pick.
What’s with all the undecided House races? I see that in NC, Kissell is refusing to concede. With 100% of the vote counted, he’s down by 468 votes. Hayes is claiming victory. Anybody on the ground in NC have details?
rwcole @ 20
You are CORRECT SIR!
I think Christy is going a bit overboard on Emmanual. He is simply issueing the standard post-election win promise to be bi-partisan.
The offer is – as always – contingent upon the other side making friendly bi-partisan moves for real. The minute they fail to do that, we can slam the door on them for good and in good faith and honesty say we tried to work across the isle with them, but they acted like the typical babies they are and wouldn’t play unless it was their ball.
But to fail to make the outreach attempt at this point would be damaging to the image of the party.
And what’s with this Mrs. Clinton going around shouting at the top of her legs ‘God bless you, god bless New York State, god bless America’ as if she’s some kind of ancient priestess gone oracular. She’s evidently referring to the biblical-koranic god of the Middle East where Iraq lies. God bless Iraq! (She didn’t say that. I did.)
I just heard her screeching this stuff on the radio. It’s a bit embarrasing. Maybe she ascribes her victory to some deity. Who knows? Evidently she is already calling down the supernatural powers from above to bless her with the White House.
PJesus B. Ochoa @ 126
Prune? Pickle? Peanut shell?
Christy
You must be running on fumes. Hope you can get some rest before you tip over.
FANTASTIC job!
I’m so proud to have met your acquaintance. Been bragging all over the place about FDL!
Please spread our congrats to the whole crew, & hug the dear peanut for us. You guys just made her future, and that of all “our” kids, a whole brighter than it was looking just a few days ago.
Good on ya, gurrll! ;->
!!!O.M.G.!!! !!!LOOKEE WORLD!!!
!!!!!WE TURNED OHIO B-L-U-E!!!!!
Oh, this really rips it. Grover Norquist, via TPM:
Is there any way we can speed along the process of tying this guy to Abramoff and throwing them in the Potomoc together?
Comment 129: for legs read lungs!
Rayne @ 81
Watched that one all night. Right now there’s only part of one county that hasn’t reported. Trauner’s leading in that county so far, but I don’t know if there is enough left unreported to get those 800 votes back.
But wouldn’t it be nice to see?
Mornin’.
I’ve warmed up and put my track shoes on, ready for the next race.
We performed miracles. Let the losses go, once we have learned from them, cling to the victories, and let’s start making some real changes.
The election was only the beginning.
Yes, Christie! You are so right. And, of course, it’s not just Rahm E. (the sleazy bastard), it’s HRC & her slickly spun victory speech giving all the credit to the “dynamic center,” an invention of her own making. These guys have drawn all the wrong lessons from the Thugs.
Combatting their twisted narrative is important. Same goes for puncturing the Bill Kristol-Davey Brooksieboy story that Bush’s failure is *not* the failure of conservative ideas, but only of competence. The fact is, he execute their program. Their conservatism failed.
We just gotta get that straight and out there.
Not even one day and I’m already dizzy from the spin.
And a reminder to any trolls itching to jump in here. This is what a Tsunami looks like:
Arizona’s 5th: Harry Mitchell (D) 51 percent, J.D. Hayworth (R) 46 percent
California’s 11th: Jerry McNerney (D) 53 percent, Richard Pombo (R) 47 percent
Connecticut’s 5th: Chris Murphy (D) 56 percent, Nancy Johnson (R) 44 percent
Florida’s 22nd: Ron Klein (D) 51 percent, Clay Shaw (R) 47 percent
Indiana’s 2nd: Joe Donnelly (D) 54 percent, Chris Chocola (R) 46 percent
Indiana’s 8th: Brad Ellsworth (D) 61 percent, John Hostettler (R) 39 percent
Indiana’s 9th: Baron Hill (D) 49 percent, Mike Sodrel (R) 46 percent
Iowa’s 2nd: Dave Loebsack (D) 51 percent, Jim Leach (R) 49 percent
Kansas’ 2nd: Nancy Boyda (D) 51 percent, Jim Ryun (R) 47 percent
Kentucky’s 3rd: John Yarmuth (D) 51 percent, Anne Northup (R) 48 percent
Minnesota’s 1st: Tim Walz (D) 53 percent, Gil Gutknecht (R) 47 percent
New Hampshire’s 1st: Carol Shea-Porter (D) 51 percent, Jeb Bradley (R) 49 percent
New Hampshire’s 2nd: Paul Hodes (D) 53 percent, Charles Bass (R) 45 percent
New York’s 19th: John Hall (D) 51 percent, Sue Kelly (R) 49 percent
New York’s 20th: Kirsten Gillibrand (D) 53 percent, John Sweeney (R) 47 percent
North Carolina’s 11th: Heath Shuler (D) 54 percent, Charles Taylor (R) 46 percent
Pennsylvania’s 4th: Jason Altmire (D) 52 percent, Melissa Hart (R) 48 percent
Pennsylvania’s 7th: Joe Sestak (D) 56 percent, Curt Weldon (R) 44 percent
Pennsylvania’s 10th: Chris Carney (D) 53 percent, Don Sherwood (R) 47 percent
GOP open seats lost:
Arizona’s 8th: Gabrielle Giffords (D) 54 percent, Randy Graf (R) 42 percent
Florida’s 16th: Tim Mahoney (D) 49 percent, Mark Foley/Joe Negron (R) 48 percent
Colorado’s 7th: Ed Perlmutter (D) 55 percent, Rick O’Donnell (R) 42 percent
Iowa’s 1st: Bruce Braley (D) 55 percent, Mike Whalen (R) 43 percent
New York’s 24th: Michael Arcuri (D) 54 percent, Ray Meier (R) 45 percent
Ohio’s 18th: Zack Space (D) 62 percent, Joy Padgett (R) 38 percent
Texas’ 22nd: Nick Lampson (D) 52 percent, Shelley Sekula-Gibbs (R) 42 percent
Wisconsin’s 8th: Steve Kagen (D) 51 percent, John Gard (R) 49 percent
Adie @ 131
Hopefully a good omen for Nov 18th!
right back at ya twolf – luuvv that blackberry !
http://pasila.lib.hel.fi/~basse/tmp/powderbug.jpg
yuh hunh, LJ/Aquaria @ 137!!!
I’m staying up long enough to see if there’s any word about TX-23. What a night!
Re leadership battles:
Murtha is NOT challenging Pelosi for the speakership – he’s challenging Steny Hoyer to become majority leader.
Once you take control, there’s that wonderful post that ranks above majority leader, and Grandma P is going to take it and smile.
Until the end of January, when she has to sit behind Dubya and next to Cheney during the State of the Union address.
rwcole @ 104
phew.
Peterr & Rayne,
forgot about that one in all the excitement -
hope the results are a ’slap right across the face!’ *g*
No disrespect to Tammy Duckworth, but Emmanuel wasted a whole lot of money and energy on a handpicked vanity candidate.
He dumped 3 million into that seat to lose.
Imagine that 3 million divided into some of the other close seats?
-GSD
Also, there is definately some sort of effort to push the “Conservatives win” memes that are rankling me.
Sure there were conservative Dems who won…..but also look at Sherrod Brown, Deval Patrick in Mass…the two congressfolks in NH.
For every Democrat that may drift to the right on some issues–there are now Republicans like the two senate Republicans in Maine who have more bargaining power. The two senate R’s in NH who are now more likely to shift even more to the center….Lookat Arnold, he practically became Hugo Chavez to win back support of the center-left.
Not to mention abortion bans lost in S.D.
There are plenty of lessons to learn from this election, the one lesson I didn’t learn is that the “US is a conservative nation”.
-GSD
GSD @ 145
o/t (hey, at least I’m consistent !)
promises, promises, all kinds of promises . . .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ard_dobson
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MarkusQ:
Don’t let rwcole get under yer skin…he’s really a useful foil, he’s smart and a good old fashioned American independant capitalist with a heart. He keeps us thinkin’ and justifyin’ and logicatin’ and doesn’t let us get too far out on our own rhetoric. Keeps us on top of our game, so ta speak. He’s a bit too enamored of Charlie Cook but then that’s rw…the worst thing in the world fer rwcole is ta be wrong. He’ll usually come around but ya gotta have yer shit and yer argument tagether.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YOUR SHIT-DETECTOR ON HIGH!!!
at 9:55, the Washington Post published a graphic that says 100% of the precincts in Montana have reported, and Tester has won.
Tester is shown with 194,914 votes to Burns 193,179 votes… a margin of 1735 votes. or 0.45%
Grandma Pelosi needs to have a, you should pardon the expression, come to Jeebus meeting with Rahm and Steny. Saboteurs from within not welcome in this new era.
Joe Watkins the only Rethug koolaid kid still out shilling the Bush line other than Delay. Ranting against the incoming committee chairs. Sorry, Joe, we ain’t buyin’ it. It’s not that the Dems have to work with Bush. Bush must work with this new Congress.
Props to Howard Dean!!!!! Props to Ned Lamont!!!! Props to Pelosi!!!! And to the progressive bloggers led by our ladies of the lake.
Bush speech coming up–will watch with the proviso that how has he proven to be lying for the last six years? When his lips are moving.
Tough love time for the nasty boys who’ve been running Washington too long.
Mike D 87 — where are you coming from with this pushback at “overt progressivism”? What exactly is conservative, centrist, moderate, progressive, liberal, in your worldview?
Your perception of us as far-left liberals mirrors a talking point the right-wing uses regularly. We’re the same people that got these indepedent/moderate/centrist Dems elected, you know.
I’m going to stick my neck out and speak for most of the folks here in FDL and even at DailyKos, by saying that a clear and convincing majority of us believe in a balanced budget. We do not believe in government that outstrips the ability of the people to pay for it. We do not believe in a government that overreaches the Constitution, rejecting oversight and intruding invasively into citizens’ personal lives. We expect to check the excessive expansion of government during the next two years.
Hardly foaming-at-the-mouth moonbatty credentials.
And certain Democratic leaders would do well to stop with the broadbrush attacks against the party rank-and-file and start representing their citizen constituents instead of their corporate masters. Being a corporate whore is hardly a conservative, centrist, moderate, progressive, or liberal attribute.
It’s corrupt. And we’re going to put a stop to it.
Chris Bowers has a good round-up on netroots candidates over at MYDD — include a few that are too close to call or may go into recount.
http://www.mydd.com/
Webb “moderate”?
MCR @
103
Howard Dean on CSPAN now.
As I said in the earlier thread: We just found out that this sucker has a nitro powered engine and the tires are still smoking.
It rained all night here in Northern California, and now the skies are blue and the sun is coming up and it is a wonderful day.
On a more theoretical note, it looks like this is going to be a long term trend, and there has been a significant shift in American society from Gemeinschaft (community) to Gesellschaft (society. The surveys showing that people think these are national issues (all politics are national) contrasts with earlier ideas that all politics are local.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G…..sellschaft
LJ/Aquaria @ 132
Norquist is saying that they will make life miserable for Nancy Pelosi. He’s declaring war.
-GSD
DireLobo at 128 — no, Rahm is not. He has been working behind the scenes for weeks to consolidate his power base so that he can set up the same KStreet back-door money machine that we just ousted from the Republicans. And if you think for a moment that I am going to sit by and allow the Demcrats to wade right into that pool of stench and not say boo about it, you don’t know me very well. This is not about some post-election spin posturing — this is about Rahm and his desire to be the Dem version of Tom DeLay. And I will not have it. Not in my party — we ought to be better than that.
I can’t believe we are even having this discussion.
When will these ‘centrist’ Vichy Dem appeasers just do us all a favor and go commit hari kari?
Fuck.
Rahm just knows who has bought and paid for him. Hint: It ain’t “we the people,” although he’ll have no compunctions about invoking such whenever it suits his interests.
Corporate, K-street whore.
johnalive — the wapo has, as of yesterday, disabled comments on their political board, the fix. it was surprisingly open and uncensored, so i knew it wouldn’t last. after a slew of negative comments yesterday about chris cilizza’s rightwing skew, they simply pulled the plug. alas, i cannot speak to my sensible, interesting and varied fellow posters over there anymore — didn’t even get a chance to say goodbye.
make no mistake — this dem victory is only going to make the corporated ‘centrists’ [joke term] tighten the screws on free speech even more. they HATE democrats and most of them are simply stewing in resentment this morning.
So you have officially judged him after 12 hours of being in leadership. Working for the last six months non-stop. And probably being up the last 24 hours.
YOU ARE WANKER OF THE DECADE
GSD @ 156
Ya think? There’s a surprise! / sarcasm off
Christy Hardin Smith @ 157
YES! Christy. This is it, big time. Thanks again for leading the charge.
Hardee-har! Dean just said we nabbed 75% of the Hispanic vote!
Quentin, when you said from the top of her legs, I thought you meant her va-jay-jay. Shows what kind of mind I have, or maybe it’s the lack of sleep.
I think Rahm is getting a bad rap here. I love him and Howard Dean and I think their antagonistic love/hate relationship is working well for the party. The reason I’m not upset with this story is not because I think its a good idea to neuter the left–Rahm is an idiot if he really believes that–but look at the story–this is a story all about bipartisan niceness. They just cherrypicked some conciliatory language from Rahm. He’s a fighter and he’s going to kick the Republicans in the nuts as the best pit bull that Nancy Pelosi ever had. Wait and see. Incidentally, projecting a vision of moderateness, as long as the knives are out in private, is good strategy. Don’t let the message confuse you as to the agenda. Congressional Democrats got brutalized by the Republicans for a long time. Payback will be getting dished out….liberally.
Ken @ 160
No, we judge him based on his actions over this entire election cycle.
Do keep up and back at ya about that wanker business.
Yesterday, Robert Novak predicted Dem House gains of 19 and Dem Senate gains of 2. :)
If you can’t trust the Douchebag of Liberty, who can you trust?
60 Iraqis Are Killed or Found Dead Today
Ken at 161 — no, I have officially judged him after watching him for months, and after having had many conference calls with him over the course of this election cycle, speaking with a number of people with whom he works, reporters who cover him, and folks who live in his district. And watching his maneuvers on KStreet as the numbers started looking good for Dems in this cycle. Wake the fuck up — you think I write this shit in a vaccuum?
Pachacutec @ 35
Duckworth was a great candidate and the RNCC spent millions to beat her. Still it was close in a way Republican district.
And you my Friend, are a jag for questioning baccking Tammy.
Never seen so many wankers on one thread, including the original.
I don’t think the WaPo was trying to silence their critics by shutting down their comments as much as they were trying to avoid a complete meltdown of their site.
I guess we’re not going to get the idiot trolls, but the “concern” trolls today.
New thread, gang. Thanks.
Bart Motes @ 165
Disagree, but equally importantly. You need to get to him to rethink his backstabbing and attacks of the critical wing of the party that brought these results. I didn’t hear Dean backstabbing, or knocking the so-called conservative part of the party.
Frankly, for Rahm AND Schumer, I think this is all about the war, and preserving U.S. physical presence in the Middle East. This is the side of the Liberal wing that he/they are most concerned about.
RagingGurrl @ 82
Oh grow up.
Why not wait to see what Emmanuel and the Dem leadership have in mind before deriding them as sellouts?
You don’t have to be a genius to succeed in politics, but you do have to be able to count. No point pushing so-called “hot button,” largely symbolic cultural issues is what Emmanuel likely means. The smartest tactic for now is to isolate the Holy Rollers of the Republican right by pushing issues for which there’s bipartisan support, but Bush will threaten to veto.
Fine, let him.
There’ll be another election in 2 years, ya know. At the expense of a football metaphor, when you reach the end zone, act like you’ve been there before.
The signal issue will be Iraq. Since Dems can’t force Bush to quit, the smart play will be to get behind what the Baker-Hamilton group comes up with (assuming it’s a negotiated withdrawl), and put pressure on the WH to go along.
Long journey back. Start with what’s doable now, limit grandstanding. One step at a time.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 169
Oh you quote the reporters who cover him. YOu mean the same ones that lied to start a war for Bush. And I know plenty that live in his district. They were busy working to elect Dems and not whining because Rahm wouldn’t return their calls.
Thanks, Wanker
mrsmarks @ 164
More evidence of my theory:
Rovism=moronism.
Rove mobilized the “hate the brown skinned invaders” goofs who were already full square in his camp. Rove also has NO trophy black men to parade around as a sign of how “intergrated and diverse” this “New Republican Party” has become. Zero, nada, zip.
There has been shockingly little of the “Karl Rove ruined everything” analysis that should be thick from the lips of most analysts.
-GSD
Must. Not. Feed.
Christy, I love you. I was recently chided strongly on myDD for not being ‘civil’ for saying much the same thing.
Christy Hardin Smith @
157
Thank you Christy. We ARE better than that. If the election was the first step, then accountability is the second. And Rahm and his cronies have no desire to be accountable.
We’ve had enough. Now, we’re talking to you, Rahm Emmanuel.
While we’re fine-tuning post-election impressions…
If I’m not mistaken, Ohio’s exit polls showed voters’ main issue was repug. corruption.
Lots of signs here that people absolutely grabbed the biggest brooms they could find and CLEANED HOUSE!
Every one of the core state-level offices – Governor, SecyState, AttyGen, Auditor, Treasurer – EVERY BLASTED ONE turned from solid red to SOLID BLUE overnight!
And, YES, we now have a PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT, Sherrod Brown, in the U.S. Senate!
Ladies & Gentlemen, THAT’s a message, loud and clear!
LJ/Aquaria @ 172
Wow. You can say troll. That is good little poster. Anything else in the cliche book.
my thots eggsackly….mahalo
Rayne 152
Spot On!
From the list of LJ/Aquaria @137:
Act Blue winning candidates:
Bruce Braley
Chris Carney
Jerry McNerney
John Hall
Joseph Sestak Jr
Kirsten Gillibrand
Mike Arcuri
Paul Hodes
Rahm and Schumer are idiots. The “radical” wing of “their” party they are so concerned about wants what —- the libertarian defectors, ex-Goldwater, thinking moderate voters out there want – accountability.
There is a reason that so many veterans ran as Dems (accountability) and were somehow seen as too radical (not willing enough to be corporatized) to garner support from DLC dictators. I agree with rwc but for a different reason altogether. Libertarianish/Green type defections this election primarily hurt Republicans, but there could very well be a wave over 2008 and 2012 of third party defections that leave Dems right back in the dirt.
A Congress that refuses to be protect the people – on its own and via its oversight and its consent and advice functions – will never earn loyalty. Not with this gimme or that – and if an administration as thoroughly corrupt and rabidly anti-Constitution as this one garners no attention, Dems will have proven their tag of spinelessness and lack of moral courage.
I worked, contributed and even bit my tongue to support Brad here in IN’s bloody eighth – but I won’t be there in 2008 unless I see some true effort by Dems to engage in oversight and accountability and block reactionary (and, all too commonly now, plain incompetent) judicial nominees.
If Dem’s don’t win the Senate (and even if they do – look at who they are winning with for God’s sake) don’t expect Senate and Executive branch cooperation on legislation or on a plan for Iraq.
While Bush is in office, there will be no plan that stands a chance of being implemented on Iraq. His party has no control over him and he is CIC and has veto and pardon power. The most realistic success and impact on the issue of greatest concern to most Americans, the war in Iraq, can only begin to be relized through aggressive efforts into oversight AND accountability.
If that’s off the table, after the compromises on things as God Damned AWFUL as pro-torture Joe Lieberaman and Sherrod Brown, then third parties are going to grow at the expense of the sceptical coalition the Dems benefited from on this election.
All that “who else” crap is just so much crap when the Dems do not function in an appropriate Congressional role and that role has ALWAYS been first and foremost to serve as a check on (primarily Exec) power.
There is no “governing” with an unchecked Executive.
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Citizen Hardin Smith:
Oh lord, woman you rock!! And don’t think that folks like Rahm the Wormtoung don’t read ya. I think he’s scamblin’ for the next couple a dayz to try and save his own sorry ass in the media while NancyP and the old line senior Democrats plan his next assignment cleanin’ urinals in the House pages’ restroom.
KEEP THE FAITH AND KICK THE BASTARDS INTA LAST WEEK!!!
GSD @ 157
Grover’s nose is out of joint, so he pouts. You expected him to act like a grownup?
I say let him hold his breath till he turns purple & tips over into that famous tub of his.
GSD @145 – you’ll be interested in Glenn Greenwald’s latest. Debunking – immediately and forcefully – the myths that both the Repbulicans and Democratic leadership are trying to create.
Dean press conference at National Press Club. I live-blogged it. Maybe some typing mistakes.
Question: What role did the liberal blogosphere play?
RagingGurrl @ 82
It was stressful watching the Chris Matthews and Tim Russerts realize that with their right wing talking points repudiated they had nothing to say. Tongue-tied does not begin to describe it .
Northeast Citizens for Responsible Media and Congressman Hinchey of the Future of American Media Caucus will be holding a public hearing on cross media consolidation on Nov. 21st at the Wallace Center at the FDR National Historic Site in Hyde Park, NY. Testimony will be transcribed and officially submitted to the FCC before the end of the comment period on the new and even-more corporate friendly FCC regs. Join Us! (www.re-media.org)
RagingGurrl & NY Rootsters — Celebratory lunch next week?
Drindl @
159
Thanks Drindl. The bastards! That’s a news story in itself. Would like to see some progressive media reporter out there throw that up into the media stratosphere.
Let’s stop the bleeding, lance the boil, excise the tumor and nuke the infection first, shall we?
Hey, as much as I want this scum drawn and quartered, unless the Dems can do a much better job of communicating their message and the msm stops ignoring matters of substance like election eve editorials calling for rumsfeld’s firing in the Army, Navy and Air Force Times as well as the latest counterfeit Christian hypocrite to beat up on the human pinata that is John Kerry, he’s right. We can’t overreach. I don’t like it any better than anyone else but that doesn’t change the reality that he’s right.
As I type this, bozo bozell is slamming the media for their election coverage. He’s right. For all the wrong reasons but he’s right. Unless they regain their integrity and stop the noron o’donnells, tweetys, russerts and mark halperin’s of the world stop being tony snowjob clones and de facto republican campaign consultants, they’ll just demonize the Dems for being out of the mainstream and all the other bs catch-phrases they spew because it’s easier than actually working for a living in their chosen field and we’ll lose the independents that allowed our current joyous circumstance to happen in the first place.
There’s still illegitimate trash in the White House. The Senate is going to be touch and go even if cheney is effectively and deservedly neutered.
As for impeachment, forget it. It’s not like they don’t deserve it. They do. This is the worst President in History. He’s in a league of his own but since the repos abused the Impeachment Process as they did, the public just won’t stand for it. The repos will be back in the saddle again before you know it.
The repos are on C-SPAN right now blaming the media and surprisingly enough, themselves, for their current predicament. They’re advocating no-surrender, no compromise tactics, too. Unfortunately, thanks to the msm, they can get away with it. We can’t.
Well, I’m not a huge Rahm fan, but take a look at what brought the Dems victory – it was independents swinging to the Dems, largely on issues like the war and the economy. They didn’t switch parties, there was no realignment. I think Rahm’s got a point – the Dems HAVE to work from the center, to keep these new Dem House members from being tossed out in 2008. The fact is, this county is way more conservative than 99% of the people who post here and at other liberal blogs (I’m not one of them, by the way, I’m a leftist from way back), and if the Dems want to hold on in 2008, they’ve got to deliver to that middle. Increase in the minimum wage, a return to science, beginning work on global warming, 9/11 Commission recs – all the things Pelosi has already announced will be first on her agenda are a great place to start.
And we’ve got the money. How many of the 3.3 million on moveon.org, say, would donate $100 in the first week of Al Gore announcing a run for president? What’s $100 X 3.3 million? Plus how many more from all the netroots. Come to think of it, how many are there of us who donate?Anybody?
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
We need a legitimate 3rd party. This is getting old.
Ken @ 171
I’m tired and in no mood to have my wordfs twisted. Backing Duckworth is fine. Stomping on the local grassroots candidiate in the primary not so fine, but bygones, etc. That was not my point.
$3 million was not required to support her. That money could have goten better marginal rsults elsewhere, if 1 million of it had gone to others. So, don’t take my words for what they’re not. Take your red herrings and fuck off.
It’d also help if some people would learn to read, fer Chrissake.
Most of the article quoted here is the REPORTER’S analysis, not something Emmanuel told him. There’s no sign he was even interviewed for this piece. It’s what’s called the the trade a “thumbsucker,” pretty much what most bloggers do. Interpret. Opine.
The Dems did very well. Thank God. But margins were quite narrow in key races.
They won because they won the center, which Bushism has alarmed and alienated.
It follows that a sharp left turn would be folly. Isolate the Holy Roller right. That’s the key. Turn the GOP into a rural Southern party, period.
In addition to fighting for a progressive party, we really ought to get busy finding a few attractive people who can think on their feet (as well as provide appropriate (choke) sound bites) and then somehow get them into the Talking Head circles.
Likely prospects?
OK: full disclosure – I was a big supporter of Christine Cegelis in IL-06 primary, and was bitterly disappointed and angry when she lost just barely after the DCCC poured $800,000 into Duckworth’s campaign — $800,000 in a primary just to defeat a progressive candidate! But — after watching the ad wars play out, I was even more bitterly disappointed that the DCCC made such bad judgements on how to spend their money. Instead of playing up all her qualifications and her great story they went after Roskam on abortion and guns. Oh, great guys: the two most important issues in the country right now are the Iraq War — Tammy wins that one hands down, no contest — and corruption (how much did Roskam get from his old buddy Tom DeLay?) — and they try to take him out on guns and abortion? Sheesh. Her own ads were pretty good, but did not run in rotation near enough to counter the Roskam hit jobs. And that’s where I really fault Rahm and the DCCC: spending money so STUPIDLY! The problem with Rahm is that he’s still living in the 90’s — he doesn’t realize how much the political landscape has changed since then. He picked 90s issues to jab at Roskam with, and it DIDN’T WORK! Not when they were hitting her with anti-immigration ads and on border security! Border SECURITY! Duckworth? Oh, come on, the woman who lost her legs flying a Blackhawk helicopter in IRAQ is weak on border security? I think not! Sheer incompetence on the part of the DCCC not to hit back at all that nonsense!
Christy, anyone to the left of Pat Robertson is a liberal. I would like to think that Rahm’s side of the party has significant points in common with the more liberal end. Let’s figure out where the similarities are and work on that for the time being. Rahm *would* be an ass if he decided to wrestle the reins of power to himself while tearing the party apart. But Pelosi has to be careful too. The media is not on our side and until we can pass a fairness doctrine, the MSM is going to jump on everything she does. Also, some states and races were won by a razor’s edge, proving that even diluted, the right winger’s Rush Limbaugh messages are still potent. This is going to take some unusually skillful diplomacy on Pelosi’s part. If I were her, I’d study a lot of French and learn how to navigate the shark infested waters as gracefully as possible.
But first the commonalities. Identify issues that everyone and the public agrees on and work them like nobody’s business. Solving the Iraq problem, Social Security, minimum wage, healthcare. Work it, work it, Work it. The public wants a leader to help them solve these issues. Make Rahm committs to them as well.
Ken @
170
Ken, um, as in Mehlman?
FU Rahm! Just STFU! Good Gawd Almighty.
IF you were a mensch and not a p*ssy you would have picked up at least 50 seats in the house. You left a lot of money on the table boy.
Perfect example. In nov. of 2005 Jack — i have two purple hearts, i fought in Korea, i fought in Vietnam, the Corps selected me to be a drill sergeant, and the Corps sent me to ocs, and i’m a retired colonel — Murtha came out with his redeploy from Iraq. And what did Rahm Israel (his actual middle name) do? Rahm — when my country fought in the first gulf war i was a volunteer ……wait for it people….. IN ISRAEL — Emmanuel cut Murtha off at the knees and said, Murtha speaks for Murtha, not the Democrats.
One of the 2 or 3 best things the Dems could do is elect Murtha to be the majority leader over continuing with Steny — i love K street — Hoyer. If it wasn’t announced before Murtha said he is running last night….to Keith Olberman I believe.
Lots of new names asking us to play nice. O.K. but you guys go first. Tell Rahm et al to appreciate his grassroots. Tell Schumer we do not want to invade Iran.
We will not be able to get the justice we so richly deserve, but we need to have some lines in the sand. Minimum wage is a good start; along with fixing the ‘non-negotiable drug’ issue.
But if they start to put down our grassroots candidates, we will fight back.
Can someone explain to me where Rahm has disrespected Nancy Pelosi? Or where he said Waxman shouldn’t be a committee chair? Or what “republican demands” he is going to cave on? I don’t get it.
They damn well better reinstate the inspector general for reconstruction, and I doubt Rahm is going to oppose that. Do you have any reason to think he will?
I also see nothing wrong with focusing on increasing the minimum wage and implementing new ethics guidelines to start things off. Why not begin with a couple of successful initiatives such as these? I relish the idea of watching Bush sign a minimum wage increase into law.
Perhaps it’s because I’m not some cool insider who has all the gossip, but I just don’t understand the animosity Rahm has inspired in this post…
Other than vet (and I am one) issues, Murtha is terribly conservative on a liberal and/or progressive social agenda -
Should Grover be planning his defense?
Congrats to everyone yada yada yada.
I don’t want to rain on the parade because it’s a way cool parade. But,
just a reminder that this Rove guy is
way evil. Bush will probably find some
things that he & the new congress can
agree on & pass & that’s good (nothing
like actually doing a few small things
for the average American)but, DON’T PASS
THE PRESIDENTS IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL!!!!!!!!!! Why? Because most working class people are strongly against it. Rove would love to sucker
Pelosi into passing a bill that his own party wouldn’t & then suffer the
backlash. Just keep quiet & fund the
stupid fence. OK?
Last evening, I was talking with a friend from Montana who voted for Burns yesterday.
I think his reasoning was flawed, but he’s an honorable man and I let it go. But in speaking to him, I realized he had a pretty good handle, probably without knowing it, on what we must do.
Get something straight – there cannot be any “liberal” agenda going forward. As much as it pains me to say that, we can’t go screaming to the left, lest we alienate those eho came over to our side.
We should say nothing about any wedge issues and any legislation WRT wedge issues should be tabled until after 2008. Pelosi and Reid will have very delicate balancing acts to perform, but the fact is, what we can do for NOW is block any more insane judicial appointments, and cut funding for Iraq so Chimp HAS to bring them home.
I’m old enough to remember after the 1974 mid-terms, the funding for ‘Nam was cut and that’s what finally got the troops home and let’s face it, no one wants to see scenes like the fall of Saigon again, I suspect not even the Chimp, though he may well be too fucking stupid to care.
But beyond that, nothing should be done. We just won the Championship game. The Super Bowl is in two years. We have to tread carefully until after we win that. Once we have the legislative abd executive branches, we can start to make real changes.
I warned last month that the DINOs were going to try to claim the credit for our big landslide while simultaneously sticking a knife into the backs of the people who actually deserve the credit.
Ken:
Here’s what someone in Duckworth’s district has to say about how Rahm handled the race. He all but refused to talk up Duckworth’s history in Iraq, and though he dumped $3 million on his own worthless ads for her, he wouldn’t pay for her own far more effective ads. And for this he shivved Christine Cegelis?
Guys n Gals: What I’m saying is we won this election with the help of moderates and independents …. period. There is common ground to be found betw. progressives and moderates/independents that can maintain a viable front against the reich wing.
All the Rethuglicans have to do is peel back that middle 1 or 2% and we will be out of that House in ‘08 in another wave. So thinking that a progressive wave has given the left side of the Dem party the power is wrong.
GPB:
What we have to do is push the oversight that Bush stifled for six long years. We have to do this, if for no other reason than to keep Bush from blaming all his crimes on the brand-new Democratic congress.
It’s time to throw the Republicans out of the Democratic Party !!!
Mike D: The “Independents” in my state, Peter Hutchinson and Tammy Lee, ran to the LEFT of the Democrats in their races. Luckily, Tammy Lee’s district is strong enough Democrat that it was in no danger of tipping to the Republicans. But we lost the Governor’s race because Hutchinson, as well as the Greens, took votes from Hatch’s left flank.
Allyaneedtoknow @
210
Great God, “fund the fence?” A sure fire way to lose a hell of a chunk of that 75% Latino vote that Gov. Dean is so happy about -
The democratic congressional leaders should not fall into the same hole they have taken 12 years to crawl out of and the repugs jumped into. It’s hard to be corrupt when your powerless, nobody cares what you want. The priorities that is on the mind of the average American should be taken care of before embarking on a wish list. The new congress should keep in mind that the country wants real problems worked on and to stay away from the pap, like flag burning, abstinence and everywhere else that the government doesn’t belong.
Oh, and Mike D and GPB:
Rick Perlstein:The Democrats have won back the House. Rahm Emanuel, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), nearly tripped over himself on the way to the microphone to claim the credit. In fact, while the tidal wave in the House looks like a bit of strategic genius by Emanuel–and pundits are starting to call it that way (Howard Fineman on MSNBC noted that the Democrats even picked up a seat in Kentucky, where the 3rd District candidate was John Yarmuth–”Emanuel’s fourth choice!” Fineman exclaimed, as if in awe of the power possessed by Emanuel’s mere table scraps)–in race after race, it actually represents the apotheosis of forces Emanuel has doubted all long: the netroots. In two competitive House races in the Bluegrass State, Emanuel’s first choices lost by 9 and 12 points. In the 2nd District it was Colonel Mike Weaver, the cofounder of Commonwealth Democrats, a group of conservative Democratic state legislators. In the 4th, it was Ken Lucas, a former congressman whom Robert Novak recently called “moderate conservative” in a column Emanuel’s “recruiting coup” in coaxing Lucas out of retirement. Both were the kind of candidates Emanuel has favored in his famous nationwide recruiting drive. Yarmuth, meanwhile, was founder of the state’s first alternative newspaper, said things on the campaign trail things like “the No Child Left Behind Act … is a plan deliberately constructed to create ‘failing’ schools,” and called for “a universal health care system in which every citizen has health insurance independent of his or her employment.”It was a pattern repeated across the country. New Hampshire’s 1st District delivered Carol Shea-Porter, a former social worker who got kicked out of a 2005 Presidential appearance for wearing a T-shirt that said turn your back on bush. That might have been her fifteen minutes of fame–if, last night, she hadn’t defeated two-term Republican incumbent Jeb Bradley. For the chance to face him, however, she had to win a primary against the DCCC’s preferred candidate, Jim Craig–whom Rahm Emanuel liked to much he had the unusual move of contributing $5000 to his primary campaign. Shea-Porter dominated Craig by 20 points–and then was shut out by the DCCC for general election funds.Not all Emanuel’s losing recruits were beaten in primaries. Some were beaten in the general election. Christine Jennings, a banker and former Republican gunning for Katherine Harris’s former House seat lost in a squeaker to conservative Republican Vern Buchanan. Dan Seals, a black moderate in the Barack Obama mold who criticized the Democratic Party even in speeches to Democratic crowds, lost to the Republican incumbent in Emanuel’s backyard, Illinois’s 10th District–as did the DCCC’s most talked-about recruit, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois’s 6th. Emanuel poured as astonishing $3 million into her campaign. It bought her a four-point defeat. Activists say the money would have been better spent on all the promising candidates to whom Rahm wouldn’t give the time of day.
-Atrios 11:07 AM
Good lord, I woke up all happy this morning and come in and read this rant and this is the most depressing website I have come to yet. Not 24 hours after the first major victory in 14 years and already attacking fellow Democrats? Stop it! You’re just proving the MSM correct.
And please, I know it’s a great day but keep your eyes open and see the facts clearly: you’re right to be proud of the breakthrough number of progressive victories but to shrug at the importance of an equal number of centrist to conservative victories is just fallacious reading of the facts.
Phoenix Woman @
215
Yes, but we can’t turn it into a witch hunt. Have to be careful.
What the heck is keeping the media from calling the Montana Senate race for the Dems? The only county still to report in Montana is Meagher County (since 5 this morning–HELLO, it’s several hours after that!). Meagher County has a little over 1900 residents. The difference between Tester and Burns is a little over 1700 votes. Unless Meagher County votes 90% Republican, which has NEVER happened (and this is assuming EVERY resident is a registered voter), Tester has won. Something is going on behind the scenes that is keeping this announcement suppressed.
The Bush reponse seems to be ‘what would YOU do about Iraq?’
I say, hey fratboy it was your toga party, YOU shampoo the rug.
Seriously, why would we want to entrust our plan to people with their record of mismangement?
GSD @ 179
And this surprises you?
Why smack rovesputin when you can beat up on Kerry? That gives the msm not one but TWO, TWO, TWO CHANCES to smack an easy target and dispel the notion to anyone with a functioning brain that they’ve got a liberal bias. Clearly, they don’t. They’re not liberal, they’re lazy. It’s much easier for the Dana Bash’s of the world to spew rovesputin and snowjob talking points. For all their supposed liberal bias, who at CNN or any other msm outlet has demonstrated the slightest evidence that they’re willing to do any heavy lifting?
Michael Ware and Lara Logan are in Iraq or some other hot spot. Can you imagine noron o’donnell or liz bumiller risk their necks to get the story? Me either. They wouldn’t risk breaking a nail to get a story let alone their necks.
Unless the msm gets some stones – something I wouldn’t hold my breath for – and does some actual reporting, they’re going to keep their same shrub-shill shtick.
Christ, would it surprise anyone, anywhere if Noron O’Donnell tosses out another one of her patented “will the Democrats with their out-of-the-mainstream positions have the courage to take on a popular President like George W Bush?” as if the election hadn’t just answered that question? I wouldn’t.
#106 and other similar comments
What exactly does ‘governing from the center’ mean? It means what we want it to mean. For the past 20 years the Republicans managed to make the Centre something only slightly to the left of slavery on the ideological scale. They dressed up Democrats in the myth of early 1970s hippies. They seem to believe that myth from what I saw last night. They have no way of conceptualizing an honest-to-god centrist Democrat, because their notion of ‘centrist’ means bending over to their thuggish propositions.
Clinton hurt us badly in this respect, because he came out of the South, where you have to do deals with the troglodytes to get anything accomplished. He was smooth and successful given what he was up against, but he drained the moral content of the Democratic Party. Rahm is a product of that draining. We can restore it simply by demanding that our representatives stand for accountability. You don’t get more centrist than that. I would personally duck on the hot-button issues, and I imagine that is what the conservative Democrats are talking about when they think about their left wing. But our left wing now would be happy if we could just get habeas corpus back. One step at a time.
That’s my prediction & I’m stickin’ with
it. Pass the Bush immigration reform
bill & return to minority status in 2
years.
Christy,
Please read your quoted source material more closely. You went off on Emanuel for things he did not say.
That OpEd piece you cited only attibuted ONE QUOTE to Emanuel, to-wit: “Emanuel and other top Democrats told their members they cannot allow the party’s liberal wing to dominate the agenda next year. “
Everything else is the opinion of the op-ed piece’s authors. Youre going off on the wrong guy.
Way to go. NOT.
Pragmatism does have a definite place in the Democratic strategy for the next two years. The party will do best, I think, if it can reflect by effective and MEASURED actions what it really means to be the American Nation the framers hoped would rise from their early work.
Rushing to implement a slew of things by force down the throats Americans right now that we all know are viewed as far-left by a significant percentage of the population will do little more than find us the door about as soon as everyone gets settled in.
Doing smart and somewhat populist progressive things like shutting down the excesses of the lobbyists, forcing corporations that have little more than a mailing address offshore for tax purposes back onshore, and further revising some campaign laws will win the confidence and surviability to continue forward after 08
Oh yeah – some prudent investigations into wrongdoing would be wise too.
oh……..and another thing.
firedoglake re your comments Here’s a thought: try governing. Try saying thank you to your base who delivered not just wins for several of your hand-picked candidates, but wins for a helluva lot of folks that you barely acknowledged existed until the last couple of weeks where it became undeniable that they had a chance of winning…. And real leaders say “thank you” instead of “screw you, we’re doing it my way.”
So Rahm, here’s a message from your constituents who just worked their asses off to give their party a victory: don’t be a back-stabbing ass.
i grew up in a gop household. first voted for jerry ford. i became a dem in 92. came out of an army tour in west germany and was in dc and saw newt and tom delay and what i call the antidulvian southern yahoo chickenhawk crowd up close and personal. (and this was before the neocons were players.)
but i am a former infantry corporal, ocs, airborne ranger. a 3rd generation american and a 3rd generation military officer. my family’s fought in ww2, korea, vietnam, and multiple tours in “the sandbox,” aka, george’s folly, aka, gulf war 2. “got the tshirt” in today’s parlance. and national democratic politicans who won’t fight make me wanna hurl. politicians like rahm emmanuel (see comments in my above post) and hillary mush mouth clinton, the triangulator’s triangulator make me wanna vomit. from my toes.
and something every dem from pelosi, reid, dean — and dr. dean, thank you, thank you, thank you for your 50 state “stratergry” — on down to the rank and file should ponder long and hard on is this. in ‘04 kerry got 59 million votes. bush, with an assist from diebold got 62 million votes. and caps on purpose. and about 75 MILLION REGISTERED VOTERS DIDN”T BOTHER TO SHOW UP!!! and ABOUT 22% OF POTENTIAL VOTERS DON’T EVEN BOTHER TO REGISTER TO VOTE!!!
and the overwhelming number of those folks are below the median income line of about $44k. and sportsfans, this tells me that rather than worry about trying to capture 2 soccer moms and 1 nascar dad who are undecided……….ya might be better off going after those TENS AND TENS OF MILLIONS OF VOTERS y’all are leaving on the table! YA THINK! jeepers h. crow.
the triangulating crowd ain’t got NOTHING to say to these folks. dems could kick gop a** 40 ways from sunday, smoke ‘em like a cheap cigar, beat ‘em like a red-headed stepchild….. IF they wanted to…….but they’d have to fight.
Great post! It’s become pretty clear over the last year or so that Rahm Emanuel is part of the problem not the solution. The mainstream narrative (most recently spewed by Brian Williams last night) is a rosy spin on Emanuel’s integrity, his “fascinating” personal story, losing a finger, brilliant maneuvering,heart, blah blah blah. In fact he’s a centrist who’s probably terrified at the prospect of the Dems kicking ass, as they should. He wants power above all, and he’s ultimately more pro-Israel than pro-American, I’m afraid.
The Rahm = Genius narrative is on par with the Rover = Genius narrative. The facts don’t support either. They are not only not geniuses, they’re not really competent.
Agreed … Emmanuel is a problem, a backstabber and not to be trusted. The natural tendency after a victory like this is for the career pols to betray us. It’s just what they do.
What we’ve accomplished is fantastic — and if we can predict, prevent and overcome the betrayals that are probably even now taking form we will have accomplished something even more enduring.
Let’s keep on keeping on.
Can I say how much I despise Rahm and Chuck?? Their spin is all over the news today – the moderates have won, the crazy liberals are dead.
First of all – it explains loud and clear why “the party” allowed a party incumbent to disregard a party primary and run against the rightful candidate.
It also explains why the Dems not only did not help Lamont – they did what they could to sabotage him. The power elite was clearly determined to nip this grassroots thing in the bud. (Even the Lieberman supporters were impressed by the grassroots efforts that propelled Lamont forward)
Now we have an Unaffiliated Senator who was chiefly elected by Republicans and financed by Republicans. Could you explain to me why that’s better than electing a solid Dem as Senator with passionate, democratic grassroots support? Way to go.
Secondly – Ned Lamont – who you sabotaged, was a fundraising Dem moderate. Again, way to go, Chuck and Harry and everyone who left him to twist in the wind. I doubt Lamont will be compelled to fundraise for the Dem party any time soon. Way to alienate not only your activist base, but the moderate, moneyraising part of the party apparatus, as well. It’s a two-fer
Rahm, Chuck, Hill, Bill – you marginalize and piss off the activist base at your peril. I don’t think there are many FDLers or frequenters of other liberal blogs who are going to give you folks the time of day – much less give money or lift a finger to help the Dem party in any way – if you continue to insult and dump on us.
Unfriggin believable.
Critter @ 231
Um – that quote isn’t inflamatory because??????
That is possibly the most telling and most insulting quote I could think of.
Rahm is very much part of the problem. The grassroots will not forget.
oxide @ 57
oxide @ 57
Rahm and Chuck should be thanking Dean. Rahm blasted Dean for expending money on county chairmen and his 50 State Initiative.. That’s where the groundswell came from. I will give Rahm credit for showing a fiercer face when fighting back Republican talking points than Dean could but Dean’s idea to start at the bottom worked.
Um, are we sure Rahm made this quote to the Post? It doesn’t say he told the Post this in an interview. In fact, the sourcing means it could be someone other than Emanuel who spoke to the post. Did you miss this part?
In private talks before the election, Emanuel and other top Democrats told their members
Rahm Emanuel (and his so-called brass balls) MUST go. Can Dean (whose strategy was the obvious success of this campaign) shut him up or at least marginalize him?
Speaker Pelosi better consolidate her power and put down Rahm and Chuck before they turn on her … because they will. They might be Democrats, but they are taking all their strategies out of the Republican play book. They are reveling in their “success” and giving NO credit to Dean or the netroots. For instance, absolutely no one is talking about the stunning defeat of Santorum acolyte Melissa Hart in Western Pennsylvania. She won all her other elections handily and outspent new Rep. Jason Altmire three to one this time. Rahm never gave Altmire a dime (I don’t even think he knew who he was) until two weeks ago. A lot of important elections were won nationwide with NO SUPPORT from Rahm and Chuck. The only thing they have control of is the spin on the airwaves. The progressives need to caucus to consolidate their power and their message to cut old-think off at the knees. It’s a lot about the money, but it’s NOT ALL about the money, Rahm.
And another thing if I can, many of those blue collar folks who feel the brunt of illegals forcing their wages
down, would understand if the house
voted for impeachment. Because payback
is something that they get. So, John
Conyers, please get that ball rolling
ASAP & God bless.
Anyone favoring backing off better go back 46 years and re-read Eisenhower’s farewell speech.
Rahm’s not positioning himself as moderate publicly while planning to be a lion of progressivity. He’s just eager to step up to the trough. And don’t put your hand in the way unless you want it bitten off.
We won one battle yesterday. But the ‘culture of corporation’ lives on to fight another day.
Give me more Dr. Dean. He writes better prescriptions.
You’re late to this party. Last week Rahm was setting up an armada of trial balloons about him being Speaker. This is just more of the same. At least now he has waited until after the election to twist the knife in Pelosi’s back.
Rahm is all about his own personal power, and unfortunately he has dragged the formerly progressive Schakowsky into it with him. If Rahm looses this round (which I fully expect), look for him to position Schakowsky as a “more reasonable progressive” stalking horse in the near future to take on Pelosi.
This isn’t entirely fair. Rahm has a good point. These are turnover districts. If we hold them in ‘08, then fine we can start proceeding in a more progressive manner. But right now voters want 1) competence, and 2) solutions. It’s clean-up time, and we have to prove… PROVE… that we are no longer tax and spend out-of-touch liberals. Compromise IS INDEED in order. We have to show we can competently govern, and that is in OUR BEST LONG TERM INTEREST. And if that means compromise now to shift the playing field to a more progressive position in 2008 and beyond, then great.
The GREATEST LOSS for us is an electorate that says “they are no better, no less stubborn, no less ideological, no less out-of-touch than the other party.” We really should tread carefully.
And remember, Bush has had more than enough rope to hang himself and his entire administration. Simple hearings airing the facts will lead us to justice. We MUST have the electorate behind us.
As Bush himself proved – just SAYING you have a mandate does NOT make it so.