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		<title>By: Greg in Madison</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369866</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg in Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lieberman will caucus with the Democrats because he knows that the Senate will go Democratic in 2008 and he would not want to end up in the minority. Joe thinks about Joe first. Of course he will vote for Bush judicial nominees as usual and keep doing the bidding of the credit card companies and other various bloodsuckers out there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman will caucus with the Democrats because he knows that the Senate will go Democratic in 2008 and he would not want to end up in the minority. Joe thinks about Joe first. Of course he will vote for Bush judicial nominees as usual and keep doing the bidding of the credit card companies and other various bloodsuckers out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Probst</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369862</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Probst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369793&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;John Casper @ 198&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369705&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jay @ 119&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I know we all hate Lieberman but I think it’s time for Howard Dean to make a deal with the little prick.. a senate majority would be a beautiful thing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe has already said he will caucas with the Dems.&lt;br /&gt;
If Dems only get to 49, Joe may go over to GOP.&lt;br /&gt;
If Dems get to 50, it’s a lot more likely imvho  that Joe will go over to GOP, or take Rumsfeld’s place and let Jodi Rell (CT’s GOP governor) appoint a GOP replacement, same difference.&lt;br /&gt;
If Dems get to 51, it’s worth it to give Joe whatever he wants to keep him from going over to the darkside. (50 50 means DeadEye casts the tiebreaker). To really castrate Joe, Dems have to get to 52 and I think both Webb and Ford have to win, along with everyone else, for that to happen (since Kyl won in AZ). I’m guessing at the numbers here, welcome input.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No no no.  If the last six years have taught us anyone, it’s that you shouldn’t make a deal with the devil.  Just ask Colin Powell.  If it’s 50 Dems, 49 Repubs, and 1 Joe Lieberman, Joe should be told that he’s welcome to caucus with the Dems as a freshman Senator.  If he wants to jump ship, hand him an anchor and let him go.  A 50-50 split means that the Shooter has to come our of hiding to break all ties.  So your choice is:  (A) Cut a deal with Joe and take the Senate, knowing that Joe will stab you in the back on a daily basis for the next two years, versus (B) lose the Senate, get Joe to show his true colors, and know exactly where the Shooter is.  I’ll take Plan B.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369793"><em>John Casper @ 198</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-369705"><em>Jay @ 119</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I know we all hate Lieberman but I think it’s time for Howard Dean to make a deal with the little prick.. a senate majority would be a beautiful thing.</p>
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<p>Joe has already said he will caucas with the Dems.<br />
If Dems only get to 49, Joe may go over to GOP.<br />
If Dems get to 50, it’s a lot more likely imvho  that Joe will go over to GOP, or take Rumsfeld’s place and let Jodi Rell (CT’s GOP governor) appoint a GOP replacement, same difference.<br />
If Dems get to 51, it’s worth it to give Joe whatever he wants to keep him from going over to the darkside. (50 50 means DeadEye casts the tiebreaker). To really castrate Joe, Dems have to get to 52 and I think both Webb and Ford have to win, along with everyone else, for that to happen (since Kyl won in AZ). I’m guessing at the numbers here, welcome input.</p>
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<p>No no no.  If the last six years have taught us anyone, it’s that you shouldn’t make a deal with the devil.  Just ask Colin Powell.  If it’s 50 Dems, 49 Repubs, and 1 Joe Lieberman, Joe should be told that he’s welcome to caucus with the Dems as a freshman Senator.  If he wants to jump ship, hand him an anchor and let him go.  A 50-50 split means that the Shooter has to come our of hiding to break all ties.  So your choice is:  (A) Cut a deal with Joe and take the Senate, knowing that Joe will stab you in the back on a daily basis for the next two years, versus (B) lose the Senate, get Joe to show his true colors, and know exactly where the Shooter is.  I’ll take Plan B.</p>
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		<title>By: delicatecutter</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369861</link>
		<dc:creator>delicatecutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will be so angry if McCaskill doesn’t win. I will have to leave MO, even if just in spirit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be so angry if McCaskill doesn’t win. I will have to leave MO, even if just in spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: punaise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369860</link>
		<dc:creator>punaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369847&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dab from CT @ 233&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369619&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;punaise @ 34 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I salute Ned Lamont and all those who fought for him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks - it was a pleasure working for him. He is a very decent and deserved much better than the treatment he got from many.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope Ned seeks political office again - he’ll have a built-in following. Thanks, dab: it was the good fight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369847"><em>dab from CT @ 233</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-369619"><em>punaise @ 34 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I salute Ned Lamont and all those who fought for him.</p>
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<p>Thanks &#8211; it was a pleasure working for him. He is a very decent and deserved much better than the treatment he got from many.</p>
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<p>I hope Ned seeks political office again &#8211; he’ll have a built-in following. Thanks, dab: it was the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369854</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369814&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush is pulling up the floorboards in the Lincoln bedroom right about now looking for those missing WMD’s….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nope, he’s looking for the little crystals the nice preacher man gave him….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369814"><em>ccmask @ 213</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bush is pulling up the floorboards in the Lincoln bedroom right about now looking for those missing WMD’s….</p>
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<p>nope, he’s looking for the little crystals the nice preacher man gave him….</p>
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		<title>By: njr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369851</link>
		<dc:creator>njr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;is my tv screen failing?  it’s tuned to MSNBC and …&lt;br /&gt;
Ken Mehlmann is losing his hair and has lost weight,  now Ed Gillespie appears to have lost about fifteen to twenry pounds too?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is my tv screen failing?  it’s tuned to MSNBC and …<br />
Ken Mehlmann is losing his hair and has lost weight,  now Ed Gillespie appears to have lost about fifteen to twenry pounds too?</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
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		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369619&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;punaise @ 34 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I salute Ned Lamont and all those who fought for him.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks - it was a pleasure working for him. He is a very decent and deserved much better than the treatment he got from many.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369619"><em>punaise @ 34 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I salute Ned Lamont and all those who fought for him.</p>
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<p>Thanks &#8211; it was a pleasure working for him. He is a very decent and deserved much better than the treatment he got from many.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369844</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Minimum wage raises are going to pass in Missouri, Montana, Nevada, and Ohio, with Colorado and Arizona just starting to count.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matt’s going to be happy, as are a bunch of minimum wage workers!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(from CNN)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minimum wage raises are going to pass in Missouri, Montana, Nevada, and Ohio, with Colorado and Arizona just starting to count.</p>
<p>Matt’s going to be happy, as are a bunch of minimum wage workers!</p>
<p>(from CNN)</p>
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		<title>By: Kentucky Woman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369841</link>
		<dc:creator>Kentucky Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369821&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dr. bloor @ 219&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369814&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush is pulling up the floorboards in the Lincoln bedroom right about now looking for those missing WMD’s….&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s not looking for WMDs, he’s trying to find the stash of Wild Turkey he has hidden from the LauraBot2000.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think its some of that crystal meth he bought on paypal (tracts) from the right reverend Haggard.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369821"><em>dr. bloor @ 219</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-369814"><em>ccmask @ 213</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bush is pulling up the floorboards in the Lincoln bedroom right about now looking for those missing WMD’s….</p>
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<p>He’s not looking for WMDs, he’s trying to find the stash of Wild Turkey he has hidden from the LauraBot2000.</p>
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<p>I think its some of that crystal meth he bought on paypal (tracts) from the right reverend Haggard.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/11/07/21st-century-democracy/#comment-369842</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 04:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-369810&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ifthethunderdontgetya @ 210&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;VG, thank you for all your FDL work, too!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thank you for all of your great comments.  The downside of being a mod is that it becomes hard to follow conversations on particular threads in a reasonable way- just reduced to looking at incoming comments in WP “comments” thread, w/o context.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-369810"><em>ifthethunderdontgetya @ 210</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>VG, thank you for all your FDL work, too!</p>
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<p>And thank you for all of your great comments.  The downside of being a mod is that it becomes hard to follow conversations on particular threads in a reasonable way- just reduced to looking at incoming comments in WP “comments” thread, w/o context.</p>
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