UPDATE: Cliff Schecter rocked this morning on MSNBC. The look on Rita Cosby's face through this whole interview is hilarious, but the look on Brad Blakeman's face when Cliff calls him a liar is priceless.
Take a peek at this YouTube. This is, indeed, Donald Rumsfeld meeting with Saddam Hussein in December of 1983. Just one short year after the incidents that gave rise to Saddam's guilty verdict, the Republican Administration was playing footsie with the dictator in that old dance we called the Cold War, as a counter-maneuver to Iran, propping up the sadistic chemical weapons producing, nuclear arms aspiring jackass for our own machinations against the Ayatollah. (And, in some part, also at the Soviets, who used Iran as a thorn in our side client state after the revolution to the extent that they could.)
This is the very same Donald Rumsfeld who leads the Pentagon today. In whom the military has seemingly lost confidence, and for whose firing the newspapers which serve our military families are calling tomorrow.
Let's be very clear about one thing: Saddam Hussein is an evil, murderous thug, who made life for any citizen who was not kissing the hem of his robe absolutely brutal and nasty. He systematically tried to rid the nation of Shiites and Kurds at various points, had anyone who looked at him sideways tortured, raped or executed, and generally ruled Iraq with an iron fist. A guilty verdict for him in this one case of many, many trials to come, is something that he likely earned fifty times over. (Although there is no excuse for irregularities in the conduct of that trial and difficulties that the prosecution and defense and judiciary had to survive, including the deaths of many of their family members. It is very difficult to analyze the trial from the outside, because the information and coverage has been spotty at best, but the conditions under which all of the legal personnel have been working in this have been very, very difficult to watch.)
However, if putting a murderous thug on trial for the crimes committed against his citizenry is now what the US is going to do across the world, we'd better ramp up our military and empty out the treasury coffers altogether, because there is a long list of thugs we can just run out and hit next…despite what international law and issues of sovereignty say to the contrary. Oh, except, that's never been US foreign and military policy, has it? Except, when it is…for Iraq.
None of what Saddam Hussein was as a tyrant – NONE — excuses the Bush Administration from starting a war based on lies and evaporating rationales. None of it excuses bullying our way through diplomacy as if we were the sole arbiter of thought on the planet. None of it allows for the Bush doctrine of "my way or the highway" as a means of reviewing information to reach foregone conclusions, ginned up on faith and void of any reality. None of it excuses starting a war with a nation that was not a security threat to us at the time the war was begun. Here's some reality for you: preemptive war is a failed policy, and Iraq is exhibit A as to why this should never, ever be done.
We have lost thirteen American soldiers in Iraq already in November. It is only the 5th today.
The Sunnis are protesting this verdict which, even though it is now subject to a legal appeals process, has inflamed an already tense political situation. The violence in Iraq is about to get worse, not better, and our troops are now hunkered down amidst an even more volatile civil war. And why?
Because George Bush wanted to invade Iraq — and he wasn't going to let a little thing like facts or evidence to the contrary stop him from doing so.
It wasn't because of terrorism — there has been no proof whatsoever presented that any al qaeda member was involved with Hussein prior to our invasion of Iraq. The only thing that comes close is Zarkawi, and he was in Kurdish-controlled territory (ostensibly our allies) prior to the start of the war, and only moved down to Baghdad as we invaded the country.
There is no proof that Hussein was involved in any planning or advocacy of anything involving 9/11. The President, himself, has admitted as much in public statements. (Despite Dick Cheney's ludicrous clinging to some blah-bitty-blah from a friend of Chalabi's to the contrary, there is no evidence that Atta and Iraqi intelligence ever met in Prague. It simply is not true, and that is the honesty of it.)
And after all of this death and destruction, and the ramping up of even more hatred toward the United States due to our horrific conduct at Abu Ghraib (of all places!) and many other detainment facilities, and elsewhere around the country, our willful neglect of Afghanistan which has allowed the Taliban to strengthen and gain control of parts of that war-torn nation again, and the stretching thin of our military, the failure to adequately address the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis, the neglect of the threats coming from Iran and North Korea who could, indeed, have capabilities to produce real weapons that could threaten the safety of our allies in their regions…the list is endless.
How much have we spent in Iraq to get this far into a civil war with no end in sight? Around $300 billion, give or take a billion? Oooooh, look, we got a shiny guilty verdict for Saddam Hussein, and a nation that is so broken that 2 to 3 thousand Iraqis flee across the border a day.
But the cherry on the top of this mess? Where is Osama bin Laden? Five years after we declared war on Osama bin Laden and al qaeda, both are still up and operating. And the unit that was in charge of hunting Osama? He was such a priority for the Bush Administration that they have disbanded them.
And what do we have to show for it? A rapidly emptying US treasury and a substantial amount of national debt, a military stretched so thin you can see through the line in places and military families who are barely making it through the end of the month subsisting on food donations and a whole lot of prayer. An endless string of soldier burials, and so many soldiers whose lives have been forever impacted by great physical injuries and mental scars that will be all too slow to heal.
And the Iraqi people? Well, they are caught in the middle of a bloodbath — between religious and civil factions fighting it out for a share of the power, constant kidnappings and torture victims being tossed nightly into the streets, and militias who demand fealty or lives in payment…and electricty on average in Baghdad 3 or 4 hours per day. Parents are terrified to send their children to school for fear they will be kidnapped or killed on the way. Businesses are closing in areas where violence is highest, and people are terrified to venture out to buy groceries. Iraqis are too terrified to even venture to the morgue to identify their family's dead, and hundreds of unidentified bodies are buried in Iraq every week as a result.
So, how's that Bush Administration strategery for the war on terror and the quagmire in Iraq working for you now?
The time for accountability is now. Had enough? Vote for Democrats. And get everyone you know to do the same. Our nation needs a change, and fast, and the rubber stamp Republicans are only going to give us more of the same. We simply cannot afford this unchecked idiocy any longer.
Where's Osama?



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Fitz! Christy! Jane! TRex!
GOTV!
So how did you get here first, witchywoman? Do you use an RSS feed? (I just use the reload button…last century’s technology ;)
Morning all — thanks much for being patient with my sleepy self this morning. :)
ittdgy, Reset button ;D
Barbara Boxer was quite succinct with Blitzer about where the war on terror is (hint: not Iraq!)
Huckleberry says we need to send in more troops. (And you’re planning to get them where?)
Good Morning Christy. I’ve been up since 4am so it seems like the middle of the day to me.
witchy at 11 — usually I’m up at 7:00 am at the absolute latest — and that’s pretty much sleeping in at our house with a three year old who loves mornings. Sleeping in this morning was like a miracle for me. *g* And I clearly needed it, as late as I slept. LOL
The White House got the date for the verdict moved to right before our election. This obviously undermined Iraqis’ perception of the legitimacy of their government by making that government look like a puppet. That perception is vital to our national interest, and to fight our soldiers are engaged in.
It’s not just “yeah, they’re pulling crap for political purposes again,” the Republicans once again actively sold out our national interests for partisan gain.
Thank you, Christy. That photo and the post title say everything that needs to be said about this administration and their enabling Congressional Repubicans.
Let’s work hard to help people realize how important this election is. We need a strong GOTV effort.
I also slept in today, knowing that we’ll have little sleep and lots of stressful moments until Wednesday morning. It’s definitely anxiety time. I’ve bought a brand new bottle of Maalox chewables to carry with me for the next three days.
What do you all do to keep plugging along without chewing off your fingernails and getting snippy with your family during these close election moments? For me, it’s carrying the Maalox and making sure I actually eat three meals a day.
Hey, Christy — if you’re in town by 5:15 tomorrow, feel free to join us in Market Square in Alexandria for our final GOTV rally with Webb, Warner, and Bill Clinton!
p.s. I just realized that I don’t have any fingernails left. ;)
ladofthefree at 14 — for me, it’s brewing a pot of tea, and sitting back with a cuppa and some good classical music (Debussey or Chopin or Bach anyone?) and taking a deep breath. Also, I’ve been trying to be certain and take a little time to write in my journal and dump a lot of the stress on the page when I can. But lately, I haven’t had as much time to do that. Sleeping in this morning was just the miracle that I needed. And now, I have to pack, pick up my dry cleaning and look over the 200 plus e-mails I got while I was in bed. LOL
LandoftheFree, How long are your toenails? If you still have some you’re doing ok!
Redshift @ 13
Not that anybody around here needs more proof, but Sully has this today from a moderate reader in Colorado Springs.
Wish You Were Here, Don
Signed, Saddam
;>)
If President Bush had his priorities straight, perhaps today we would have been celebrating the conviction of the Butcher of 911 rather than the Butcher of Baghdad.
Just got to this in my in-box, and thought some folks might like the read: Rep. Pelosi’s statement on the Saddam verdict and Iraq. (Now back to the pile of e-mails…)
Landofthefree, I watch the birds at one of our three birdfeeders or two birdbaths. I live in LA so creating a micro natural environment in the vast urban jungle was crucial for my peace of mind.
Howie’s got an excellent post at DownWithTyranny about the challenges Steve Porter’s campaign faces against one-sided coverage from the local corporate media.
OT but requested in the last thread — a selection of NYT columnists. This will have to be in a few different doses or get thrown into mod for too many links.
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..Editorials and Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists
Nicholas Kristof, titled “Abortion, Condoms & Bush.” 11/5/06 NYT
http://select.nytimes.com/2006…..Editorials and Op-Ed/Op-Ed/Columnists
MoDo, NYT 11/4/06. The title doesn’t do it justice… She calls W the hood ornament on the Repugs “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.”
If there’s any interest, I’ve got more links…
[Mod note; please refresh your screen. Just this once, we broke the rules for you.]
Saddam:Uday::Bush 41:Bush 43
And this pretty much says it all: Perle agreed to tell the truth about what a mess Iraq is and discuss the rampant incompetence and repeated idiocy of the Bush Administration and their cronies in his Vanity Fair interview, with the understanding that the public didn’t get to know it until after the elections. Wanker!
Financially we’re never gong to get out of the Iraq hole the Bush outfit has dug for us. We can pay for Iraq and the other presidential follies, but we can’t even get flu shots down here. We’ve been out of vaccines for over a week. Damn right all politics is local.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Is it just me, or do Rep. Pelosi comments always seem lame. Where is the tie in to Osama in the statement? I was expecting better, given that this was no surprise.
It’s not just you, Pectopah.
The trial was a “travesty” says Ramsey Clark.
I’ll stick with Mr. Clark’s assessment.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Perle’s a lying skell…
…It’s a wonder he doesn’t spontaneously combust after uttering such mendacious twaddle.
Sunday, November 5, 2006
Time to protect Constitution
WALTER WILLIAMS
GUEST COLUMNIST
“At the heart of the nation’s fiscal and financial woes are George W. Bush’s tax and budget policies. In the four decades that I have watched domestic policymaking, no other president’s major policies have produced such a high level of harmful results.”
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..cus05.html
Umm, Redd, just one small correction for those intending to spotlight this. The issue was not Atta meeting Zarqawi. It was Atta meeting Iraqi intelligence. The supposed meeting place was also Prague, in the Czech Republic, rather than Budapest, Hungary.
Cheers.
Valley Girl – way off topic: Denice Denton
Montag — thanks. Will fix it. Was writing fast.
this may have been pointed out on the previous thread:
So the U.S. is going to have a neck-tie party with Saddam as the guest of honor. There should be at least half a dozen in the WH that outta be right up there swinging with him.
A couple of small emendations to an excellent post:
2 to 3 thousand Iraqis flee across the border
[a day].
people are terrified to venture out to b[u]y groceries
There is also a story out that the Pentagon wargamed Iraq in 1999 and predicted many of the current problems. There was a probability left undefined in the article that this could have occurred even if we had gone in with 400,000 troops. Note: we never had this many troops and would have needed a large alliance to have them and this was never going to happen.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..htm?csp=24
Gee…..I wonder where Saddam ever got the idea he could invade Kuwait, and we wouldn’t be all that upset?
“These are people running for Congress. They’re entitled to their own views, on both sides of the aisle.” That’s nice to know. Dick.
Salon.com War Room:
Hugh at 38 — thanks. I rushed the writing of this since I woke up late. Hate having to do that — I like to take my time and finish out the research and the copyediting. Lately, I haven’t had full time for either…and this morning it was my own fault. *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
awfully big of Dick, isn’t it? “if you will”
punaise @ 36
Well, he’s a fascist, but he’s right. Until Congress has veto-proof majority on resolutions to defund the Iraq war or to rescind the AUMF, they’ll go right on doing what they want.
Even if Congress were able to muster veto overrides, they probably would go on doing what they want, knowing that the `pugs in Congress couldn’t grow the `nads to impeach the top two in their own party.
What Toad-In-The-Hole is saying here, is, “fuck you, guys, you can’t make us.”
HAHAHAHA NH Republicans are morons.
Cheney-Bush Republicans can only talk in strawmanese. You agree with them or you are weak, or maybe a traitor.
Before the ‘04 election, I told my then 57-year-old Republican voting sister how Reagan’s patronage had elevated Saddam Hussein from a two-bit tyrant to a world class pain in the ass. I mentioned the Rumsfeld visit, the gift of a bio-weapons starter kit from the CDC (ostensibly for medical research), etc..
She responded by asking “When did THAT come out?”
“It was never a secret,” I replied, “if you had been paying attention.”
She didn’t believe any of it however, since she’d never seen it on Fox News.
angie @ 30
Please head over to CNN and vote on the question of the day (lower right) “Did Saddam receive a fair trial?” 68% are currently saying “yes.”
AP – Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced Sunday to hang for crimes against humanity in the 1982 killings of 148 people in a single Shiite town, as the ousted leader…
148 people? Since we invaded Iraq over 600,000 people, mostly old folks, women and children have perished. And Bush and Cheney are running around enjoying the good life and spouting whimsical platitudes and pontifications. No wonder most of the rest of the world dislikes us so.
Murtha is coming up on CNN within the hour, just FYI.
rat bastahd @ 48
Whatever happens Tuesday, willful stupidity and American citizenship still go together like peas in a pod. Here’s one for the Big Book of Clue, guys: getting the verdict you want does NOT mean the trial was fair. The same basic logic tells us why Americans as a group are so miserably scientifically illiterate.
We lost the war(s).
Time to bring our people home, rehabilitate our foreign policy and turn our hatred into something positive.
Staying the course is crazy and murderous.
will do, rat bastahd! thanks for the heads up.
Psst…
Atta and Iraqi intelligence ever met in
BudapestPraguepunaise @ 43
awfully big Dick
Coz — thanks. See, that’s what I get for rushing things through on one cuppa coffee…will fix it. Damn…
njr @ 54
…And you won’t see Hickory Dick in the dock, if he has his way.
;>)
http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._burns.php
The most recent polls indicate that the number of Iraqis who want us out of there is approaching 70 percent. It may be ironic that the number of Americans who want us out of there, too, is nearing the same percentage. They want us to leave. We want us to leave. There’s nothing standing in the way of satisfying both majorities except a president, a vice president and a defense secretary who are willing to fight to the last man—willing to drive our military to utter destruction—before they’ll admit that they were wrong, wrong, wrong from deluded beginning to wretched end.
I’m very depressed. They are going to steal the shit out of this election, come up with some bullshit like they did the last time.
Remember that crap about 3 million zombie fundie voters coming down from the hills to vote for the first time in their lives?
Yeah, and it just so happened that the exit polling showed Bush losing by 3 million votes. Co-Inky-Dince?
This election is pre-stolen. Yes, I will vote. We all need to vote. But we need to keep our eyes open. Bring camcorders to the voting places. Video your electronic voting machine flipping your vote. It’s going to take some video to actually wake everyone up about this issue.
Why don’t the Dems care about these stolen electronic elecations? Haven’t they noticed the exit polls didn’t match the “actual results” in the battleground states that had electronic voting machines?
The numbers matched perfectly in the old-fashioned paper ballot states. This fact has statistics professors rolling their eyes.
They are going to steal this friggin election and the media will marvel at their GOTV or some such nonsense. Rove will be promoted from “the Architect” to “The Wizard.”
They are going to steal this election — hell it sounds like it’s pre-stolen if you read about Ohio (500,000 dem voters thrown off the rolls already), fraud reports out of Florida.
They are stealing our elections, our democracy, and we aren’t going to do shit about it. This country, the media, cares more about stolen Ukranian elections than stolen U.S. ones.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/si…..icle/1970/
Look at the phds on these fellows:
http://electionarchive.org/ucv…..tofsky.pdf
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Rep. Pelosi’s comments reak of triangulation stench. You can smell the fear of the person that wrote it, to make sure not to offend anyone, not to screw up, but then to say nothing in the end.
Where is the sound bite to help this election? Couldn’t she remind Americans that Saddam was convicted of crimes againts Iraqis, not Americans, and the terrorist who has committed crimes against Americans was not on trial and is still at large. Another missed opportunity.
Again Saddam was not convicted of any 911 related crimes, only crimes pre-Gulf War I. If it concerned us so much we could have gotten to him in 1991. But Mr. Cheney was against such a move back then.
So it is not so hard to produce a sound bite.
chicago tom at 59 — you know, I get updates on voter issues every freaking hour, and I do not see the evidence that any — and I mean ANY — of the people who are experts on this think that the election is going to be stolen. Things are being monitored very closely this time around in a whole lot of places. And no amount of Eeyore musing gets around the fact that if we turn out our vote in large numbers that cheating at the margins cannot take place. So get out the vote, or get out of my way — there are two days until this election and I’ll be damned if I’m letting up.
“Fighting has broken out in Baghdad between Sunnis and the Iraqi army after Saddam Hussein, the former president, was sentenced to death.
Heavy firing was reported in Adhimiyah, a mainly Sunni district of Baghdad, within half an hour of Saddam Hussein’s death sentence being announced on Sunday morning.”
darkblack @
31
…It’s a wonder he doesn’t spontaneously combust after uttering such mendacious twaddle.
rats from sinking ships…
darkblack @
20
that is brilliant. the blanched-out buildings from the album cover look like they could be those that figure in any of a number of satellite photos of alleged WMD production facilities.
shine on, you crazy diamond.
I will never give up. Regardless of Tuesday’s outcome.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 61
Christy’s tea was not the decaff kind this morning.
Go Girl!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
me neither.
Where’s Osama?
The Bush Crime Family just bought a 100,000 acre ranch in Paraguay.
I’d check there… :-/
Pectopah @ 60
I don’t have a problem with the statement. At this juncture her main objective has to be not to commit a “Kerry”.
Good morning, sunshine!
NYT explains its decision to endorse no GOPers, for the first time in its own memory:
[my bold]
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..38;ei=5087
I have my poll worker training scheduled for tomorrow- and I’ll be putting in 13 hours in a precinct on Tuesday. Best antidote I can think of to potential gooper cheating is to have dems at the polls. It’s easy.
punaise @ 64
Ha ha, charades they are
;>)
angie @ 67
Much work to do, even when we do win.
Good morning all! I heard a rumor this morning that the DOJ has papers ready to file on Doolittle and Burns but they are waiting till after the election — has anyone heard anything about this?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cliff Varnell @ 68
Has the Paraguay ranch story been confirmed – only recall the rumors.
Christy 61
YeeHAWWWW! Ride-em Cowgurlll!
Whip AND spurs!
No time for sitting around being depressed.
Might as well giddayup & work like demons “just in case” ….
…only way we could KNOW we’d fail is if we don’t try, eh?
Lots of little dips and doodles out there in the incoming data- but nothing changing very much..
Dems need Mo and Va to win the senate. Odds are 50-50 in both.
Dems will win the house- the margin estimates range from 20 to 50.
20 and 6 is fine by me.
Adie @ 63
Dirty rats.
;>)
… and on the meat-grinder that is this illegal war grinds:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01160.html
Oh man, I updated above with this, but I wanted to be sure that no one missed this. Cliff Schecter rocks:
UPDATE: Cliff Schecter rocked this morning on MSNBC. The look on Rita Cosby’s face through this whole interview is hilarious, but the look on Brad Blakeman’s face when Cliff calls him a liar is priceless.
does anyone else think all the American deaths could possibly reflect covered up deaths at Camp Falcon?
and for the reality based -
. . . a stud field mouse sporting a strap on
friend at 81 — I think any cover-up of that magnitude would be nearly impossible with the level of instantaneous communication that is possible with military personnel and family members these days. To be honest, it’s a conspiracy theory to which I completely cannot buy. I’ve got too many friends and family who have been over there to know how quickly word can spread — within minutes — of something happening.
TeddySanFran,
It’s interesting to see that the NY Times still can’t admit that the 2000 election was stolen in Florida or that there are serious questions about the 2004 election in Ohio. Maybe they will have an insightful retrospective on this someday, you know like they did with their Judy Chronicles in the run-up to the Iraq war.
friend of the blog @ 81
No.
OfT: This scene painted by Shailagh Murray gave me such pleasure — and hope! — that I am bringing it forward from Pach’s Late Nite Post to share with you early birds:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00992.html
newspaperbrat @
75
All I know is what I read in the papers…snrk…
http://www.indybay.org/newsite…..321646.php
My guess is the Bushes will be returning full time to the old family business — smuggling drugs.
http://www.fromthewilderness.c…..drugs.html
friend of the blog @ 81
No. If they were doing that, they would have covered it up until after the election.
rwcole @
77
Me too, on the face of it. If that outcome had been offered six or even three months ago I suspect most of us would have jumped at the opportunity. Now, however, the “expectations” game comes into play. Rethugs will spin anything less than a total blow-out as some kind of victory.
plus, we need to crush them.
OT — Why aren’t BushCo’s economic numbers working? Well maybe it’s for reasons cited by this article in Parade Magazine in our local paper this morning:
http://parade.com/articles/edi…..nce_Report
Americans know they’re misleading us about the economy, just the way they’ve misled us into this war. Iraq’s an important issue in this election, but also, it’s still the economy, stupid….
Dress blue, Vote blue Tuesday.
Get Out Our Vote.
Grandma Pelosi throws cold water on the Baker Commission post-election “New War Plan.” I like the frame she’s got here: the Democrats are going to solve this problem, not the Bush consigliere.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..M6EI21.DTL
Thanks for you passion Chirsty.
When I go back to the days of my draft notice, 1970, I remember the exact same situation! What the hell is wrong with our country’s leaders that they can put us, a free and democratic people, most of whom believe in a moral-based spirituality, into this position…again? And how can the American people be so blinded by lies and criminal behavior that they (or we) continue to question if this is right or wrong?
To hell with the lot of these criminals! I’m voting, as I did in ‘72 and every election since, and I’m voting Demorcrat.
White House Calls Editorials Urging Rumsfeld Exit ‘Shabby’
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003352558
Hugh @ 84
Hugh, I put this link up at the beginning of the last thread but I agree with you, the sentence you highlighted is exactly the one I thought the same thing about, other than that the rest of this editorial is right on.
Just to have it start out with: “On Tuesday, when this page runs the list of people it has endorsed for election, we will include no Republican Congressional candidates for the first time in our memory.” was enough to make me smile. Hopefully their endorsements will be online later tonight.
It is an outrage that the Democrats in Congress forced Bush and Cheney into this ruinous war in Iraq. They didn’t want to go, the Neo-cons all warned against this awful blunder, but the Democrats just pushed and pushed and pushed the nation into the war with their evil propaganda.
Now look at all the problems Democrats and their ill gotten war have caused.
-GSD
GSD at 95 — I blame Clinton. *snerk* (I mean, honestly, hasn’t this blame anyone but the people responsible idiocy gone too far?)
Prairie Sunshine @ 90 — I cannot understand why health care isn’t a trump card in elections. Can’t politicians simply say “No American family should be faced with bankruptcy because someone gets sick or has an accident.”
Case closed???
Arnold waffles on supporting Pombo, while visiting Pombo’s own district. That’ll leave a mark:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..y_id=10592
Arnold may flip-flop and become and Independant after the election….he knows how to follow public sentiment closely.
-GSD
Iraqis just passed judgement on their dictator; on Tuesday Americans can do the same.
Sure hope at least one deserving gooper loses a job in congress in California. The jerrymandered districts are holding pretty well- but a couple of em are in trouble anyway.
jeffreyw @ 26
At least Iraq never had to exist with Uday in charge. Here, we have had to watch our Uday destroy the nation as his minions pillage and rape. Hopefully, that ends Tuesday.
I don’t trust Arnie any further than he can throw himself- which isn’t far these days.
New thread — and awesome is all I have to say. Just awesome. :)
Political theater is great, doesn’t look like George Felix Allen is having a good time at the tailgate party
thehttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2582383&mesg_id=2582383
rwcole @ 101
In the Charlie Brown/John Doolittle race, the latest poll shows Doolittle up by 7 points — but someone at the Brown campaign told me that poll was skewed right, sampling more Republicans and fewer Independents than the last one. Independents in this district (which admittedly is very red) are breaking for Brown big time. It’s all about GOTV.
GSD @ 95
If it wasn’t for them taking their eye off the ball in Afghanistan…‘Straying the course’ as it were, into Iraq just so they could show Bush 41 who’s got the daddy pants cinched up tight, these poor neocons wouldn’t have to defend a policy that has failed them so.
Why, it’ll Snow in Bahgdad before them dems can whitewash their dirty deeds
;>)
Christy: I hope you’re right. I don’t see any reports from these monitors. I hope I’m wrong and this election is clean and the voters’ intent prevails. But they’ve stolen the last two elections so I don’t see why they wouldn’t steal this one.
In San Diego in the primary, a diebold machine was busted for dialing out to Diebold’s headquarters DURING THE COUNT.
What I just learned in the interview pasted below is that Diebold doesn’t just do the voting machines. It’s now also managing the voting rolls, deciding who votes.
Yes, we have to vote. People voted in record numbers in ‘04 so they just stole more. Bush was losing by 5 percent but won by 3 percent. An 8 percent swing. That’s not “margins.” They are stealing wholesale.
They are also up to their old games of vote suppression (telling the Rethuglican election judges to threaten with criminal prosecution anyone letting someone vote) and purging the voter rolls, ala Fla 2000.
Here’s Fitrakis interview on democracynow.org:
BOB FITRAKIS: Yeah. They’re all in heavily Democratic districts, and they’re not on the paper form with absentees. And we also had pre-punched paper ballot reports sworn under oath. So what we’re finding in areas like Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, areas that went 12-to-1 for Kerry, 7-to-1 for Kerry, 5-to-1 for Kerry, a statistically improbable ratio of over-votes for the President, which probably cost the President — or John Kerry 22,000 votes. We’re also finding that they purged, between 2000 and 2004, they purged 24.93% of all the voters in Cleveland, which voted 83% for Kerry in that city. But if you contrast that —
AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean, they purged them?
BOB FITRAKIS: They purged them. It’s a may cause. They didn’t have to purge. The Board of Election purged nearly a quarter of the voters in the city of Cleveland. 8,000 to 10,000 were purged accidentally by Diebold in what they call an electronic glitch, but all of these are in heavily Democratic areas. 28,000 people were purged in Toledo in 2004. In Ohio, boards of elections only purge in odd-number years — 2001, 2003.
AMY GOODMAN: Bob Fitrakis, just to follow up on this point, you said Diebold accidentally purged them. Explain exactly what you’re talking about, because you’re doing this research for a number of years now. Most people in this country, this is all new information for.
BOB FITRAKIS: Well, what we’re moving to across the country, which is really quite scary, is electronic poll books. And when they converted the old system, the old computer system, to the new electronic poll books, 8,000 to 10,000 names were, quote, “accidentally glitched.” That is, people eligible to vote, their names were simply left off, and they were turned away.
HARVEY WASSERMAN: Right. We have in Ohio now, since 2000, we have clear testimony that 500,000, roughly 500,000 voters have been dropped from the voter list in heavily Democratic areas in Cincinnati, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toledo. 500,000 voters is nearly 10% of the entire electorate in the state of Ohio. 5.6 million people voted in Ohio or had their votes counted in Ohio — let’s put it that way — in 2004. And going into the 2006 election, 500,000 people have been purged from the registration rolls, that we know of. They are all in Democratic areas. We have no evidence of purges in Republican areas.
BOB FITRAKIS: Well, not only that, in Republican areas, Miami County, which is only 2% African American, they’re on the record — the director, Steve Quillen — they’re a, quote, “no-purge county.” And as a result of that, they had a 98.55% voter turnout in one precinct. Although when we showed up to audit that precinct, instead of finding 679 out of 689 voters having voted, we only found 547 signatures in the book, which was about 82%. So we’re finding massive irregularities.
And this occurred on election eve, as well. In Clyde, Ohio, they said 131% voter turnout on election eve. What we found is that in many of the rural counties in Ohio, they ran the absentees through twice, which gave President Bush a tremendous boost in these counties.
HARVEY WASSERMAN: Right, and even with preliminary investigation, we found one precinct where allegedly more than 350 consecutive voters cast a ballot for George W. Bush. We’ve also found a precinct where there were more than 50 consecutive replacement ballots, you know, allegedly spoiled ballots replaced by poll workers. It is very, very clear what happened in 2004. And we fear it’s going to happen again in 200
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I’ve been reading this blog for now a long long time and I enjoy it dearly.
I lived in the US for a long time (legally!) and I’m very fond of a lot of people. And being originally from Latin America, I know too well how the politics in the US affects policy and well being of the people down south.
On the run up to this election, and recovering from the incredible upset from 2004, I followed carefully what went on there.
Watching this video with the talking heads spitting out BS all over I was compelled to throw up this comment. It pains me dearly to watch it.
Beyond the problems that this administration has and has created, i think one of the most important problems with the political process there is that it just got reduced a low child-like rant that very seldom makes any sense.
These two guys (unfortunately Cliff had to go down on the level of the republichild) would not pass for more than a pair of 4 year old arguing over candy. It just incredible that the fate of peace and well being in the entire world is being reduced to such incredibly painful non-sense!
Please, please, please… for the sake of the entire world: take back the house, take back the senate!
At this point, US politics has become as polluting and harmful as global warming!
I find it unlikely you can change anyone’s mind at this point.
The Saddam Hussein verdict is irrelevant to our election.
GOTV!