Why do Republicans not understand the meaning of the term "national security secret?"
Not content with the mere outing of a CIA NOC by her own government, and blowing a whole network of undercover operatives and assets working on WMD issues in the Middle East, including in Iraq and Iran, the Bush Administration took its idiocy a step further: they published documents seized from Iraq online in a big, fat docu-dump as some sort of massive CYA maneuver to shore up support with their right-wing blogger mouthpieces and crazies like Rep. Curt Weldon and Sen. Rick Santorum, who still swear that there are WMDs buried somewhere in the Iraqi sands.
Except no one in the Bush Administration bothered to contemplate the ramifications of publishing thousands of pages of documents containing research and information on weapons of mass destruction theories from chemical and biological agents through to nuclear materials that Saddam Hussein had his scientists studying and collecting from the 1970s/1980s (when he was a US ally, btw) on to 2003.
Because in today's Republican party, it is ALL about the immediate need to make yourself look good — and to hell with the long-term national security consequences.
The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.
“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”
The government had received earlier warnings about the contents of the Web site. Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure.
The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents — most of them in Arabic — would reinvigorate the search for clues that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence.
I just want to point out that the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees thought this was a swell idea because public support for the Iraq War and the WMD justifications for that war were being substantially questioned. That would be Pete Hoekstra and Pat Roberts, FYI, and I would like some follow-up questions on why they put party interests above national security concerns — and why they are still the chairmen of these committees. Appalling lack of judgment, absolutely appalling.
There is a reason that technology transfer is such a highly regulated area of diplomatic and business negotiations and scientific study. There is a whole host of information that you just don't post around the internet for all and sundry…say Osama Bin Laden and his pals…to be able to read and crib from at will. That the Bush Administration, Republicans in Congress and the idiot wingnut bloggers who have been blabbing this around, and publishing it wholesale, did not understand this fundamental national security principle is astonishing enough.
That it has taken this long, after numerous protests from foreign governments, UN weapons inspectors and, finally, the IAEA, to get the Bush Administration to remove this from a public online database? Well, that just says it all, doesn't it. Party propaganda opportunity over country.
Oliver Willis cites a great interview with Michael Scheur on this subject from quite a while ago, soon after the documents were posted online:
MICHAEL SCHEUER: Well, I think certainly the fact that we don't know what's in these documents could pose a risk to the United States in several ways – first, in terms of embarrassment. Who knows, for example, if there's going to be a memorandum of conversation from when Rumsfeld dealt with Saddam back in the '80s? There could be information in those documents that would be operationally useful to the intelligence community in terms of stopping some sort of terrorist attack. There was a great deal of dealing between our allies — supposed allies in Europe and Saddam Hussein's government commercial dealings — and I think the documents may expose those and cause even further rifts between NATO members.
BROOKE GLADSTONE: Now, when you talk about embarrassment – say, for instance, an embarrassing moment between Rumsfeld and Saddam in the days when Saddam was a kind of ally – it says in the law that that material should not be held from public view solely on the grounds of embarrassment.
MICHAEL SCHEUER: Well, no, of course, it should not be held, but it should not also be discovered. It's just a matter of the way you do business. This is just another example of the contempt that Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and their colleagues have for the intelligence community. You know, this is not opposing it just for the sake of secrecy. It's opposing the release of these documents to make sure that every bit of advantage for America can be extracted from them that should be extracted from them.
BROOKE GLADSTONE: Well, clearly, somebody feels it's in America's interest. This has been a Republican-pushed release. Would there be some potential benefit for the Republicans?
MICHAEL SCHEUER: Oh, I think clearly there is, and we've already seen their mouthpiece, The Weekly Standard, has already run a couple of articles saying that this proves Saddam did X or did Y, without any [LAUGHING] real knowledge of how the new documents fit into the context of everything else we know. It's just plain amateurishness – or they know what's in these documents and they figure it can help them by releasing it. (emphasis mine)
Party before country, indeed. Atrios has more. For some background on the docudump, Gavin has some details. And Will Bunch has some great questions. Stirling asks this morning how many potholes we will have to endure with this Administration and the idiot Republican Congress that enabled them to do this in the first place.
For everyone's sake, please vote for Democrats. This idiocy has got to stop before Iran North Korea terrorists some kid who will be getting a PC for Christmas this year can get his hands on national security secrets knowingly and willingly posted online, publicly, by the Bush Administration, with the full knowledge and approval of the Republicans who control both houses of Congress. I have had more than enough, but this really tears it.
Yee haw is not a foreign policy. Moh-ron.
UPDATE: As commenter Prof. Foland says: "Politics can be so easy when you’re unburdened by any knowledge. These documents are from Saddam’s pre-1991 program, which was well-known (it’s the program the Israelis tried to destroy at Osirak in 1981)." Yes, knowledge is so last Administration, isn't it?
Related posts:
- North Korea Regains Attention, Tests Second Nuke [Update: Obama Responds]
- Saddam Interrogation: US Still Trying to Show 9/11 Connection as Late as Mid-2004
- John Kyl and Richard Perle: Nuclear Weapons Keep the World Safe, Except When People We Don’t Like Have Them
- Cheney Stops Trying
- The Cheney Interview: Judge Sullivan Rebukes Obama, but Still Shields Crucial Info





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FITZ!
Morning!
Zowie!
From the last thread–
We can’t let Hoekstra try to crawl out from under this. He fought for it:
The program he argued for resulted in the release of the most sensitively classified information there is.
If you’re chair of the Intelligence Committee, I don’t see how you look the other members in the eye after that. The more I think about it, the more the only honorable option for Hoekstra is to resign.
Hey Christy, sorry about your team last night. Feel free to play defense guys!
So that must mean that other documents found in that cache showing that Saddam was a year away from having a nuclear weapon–sontrarty to popular belief–and that Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda–contrary to popular belief–is correct.
And yet they wont talk about a timetable for troop withdrawal ’cause it might embolden the ennemy.
They’re phoqued
Politics can be so easy when you’re unburdened by any knowledge. These documents are from Saddam’s pre-1991 program, which was well-known (it’s the program the Israelis tried to destroy at Osirak in 1981).
Clearly the most egregious example of combined stupidity and incompetence ever. HOW COULD THEY?! Stupid, evil, stupid, evil, stupid!
(Ten extra points for using egregious in a sentence?)
Great post Christy! Sorry about WVA. I can feel for you, my school the University of Utah went 12-0 a few years ago. First mid-major school to go to a BCS bowl. Florida hires away our coach and we have sucked ever since. : (
Is the nuclear information old enough so that BushCo and friends can’t now point to it as proof of WMD.
By the way, if they do, then two things should be said: 1. Oh, you didn’t read it until now? and 2. How stupid can you get?
Good morning to all on a cold, clear Friday here in the fly-over.
Christy, your post is yet another example of the consequences of promoting ideology over thoughtful debate and dialog. It never occurred to the ideological idiots (yes Messrs Hoekstra and Roberts, I’m talking about you and your breathless followers) that these documents might be more than a propaganda tool. They might actually contain “secrets” that really shouldn’t be shared with the world.
Also, I heard some talking head this morning say, somewhat dismissively, that, oh, these documents were in Arabic, so they weren’t that useful to most people. That statement shows the complete ignorance of the speaker…gosh, even us boring middle aged not-necessarily-computer-geeks know how to use Babelfish and Free Translation on the web. Duh.
moi @ 7
Tee hee!
From the NYT story:
Pre-1991…So that looks like it can’t be used to prove the WMD claim, right? (Of course this admin claims anything they want and know TV will quote them and ask silly questions of the pundits as if they are facts.)
martha at 12 — oh yeah because, you know, folks who are involved with al qaeda would never be able to read a document posted on the internet that was written in “Arabic.”
O.o
Does the defensive coordinator at WV moonlight as a Republican administrative assistant to the Senate Intelligence Committee?
Sha–yes, it is that old. My piqued comment was directed at the trollworthy who are showing up already claiming it proves they were right all along. You are exactly right–it has absolutely nothing to do with WMD’s this time around.
Moh-ron! reminds me of my high school chemistry teacher, Dr. Coleman. She would preface the distribution of our exam results by shooting her cuffs and pronouncing: “You people. (pause) Are a bunch of Moh-rons.”
Ah the good old days…Thanks Christy.
And how did nuclear secrets get onto the Web?
George Bush ordered that they be placed there, according to an article in the right-wing Weekly Standard on March 13, 2006, written by Stephen F. Hayes, , titled Finally.
And he did so over the objections of John Negroponte, the Director of National Intelligence.
CNN has Nook story on now
Great post Christy!
Yours always here, just 11 time zones away, and always, always lurking — just never time to post!
And apologies for this drive-by out of nowhere :-) ….
Now, can I get a side of Dobson with my Cheese-haggard and Foley-fries?
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — Fifty-six bullet-riddled bodies were found in Baghdad by Iraq police in the previous 24 hours, a Baghdad emergency police official said Friday.
Some of the bodies showed signs of torture, the official said. Iraqi police were unable to identify the bodies. Dumped, slain bodies are found daily in the capital and police think these deaths have evolved out of Sunni-Shiite sectarian vendettas.
Meanwhile, Iraq’s defense minister has canceled leave for all army officers, apparently fearing violence following the verdict expected Sunday in Saddam Hussein’s trial.
Another four U.S. soldiers and a U.S. Marine have been killed, the military said in statements Friday.
I provided more specific information on the documents and political links at comments 288 and 291 of the previous thread. Not sure how to link to them, however.
Yet it was such a national security threat when their NSA program was exposed.
And these are the same ididots who want control of the UN Peacekeepers.
http://www.theaustralian.news……96,00.html
THE United States is lobbying to put an American, possibly a general, in charge of all UN peacekeeping operations in a move that could offer Washington an exit strategy in Iraq.
How will Tony Snow explain this one away? He’ll probably smile and laugh then say something implying that it’s more complicated than it appears and it’s difficult for us peons to understand.
Let us not forget who was running the non-proliferation office at State when this controversy was going on….
The sensible way to approach this would have been to have a special appropriation for cleared translators to come in and do the translations, side-by-side with WMD experts–and to sit on the docs until that happened. That’s the way Congress could have facilitated release of the documents, without unintended consequences.
Are there voting records for congress on this? Seems like excellent campaign ad material . . .
It certainly the time to take the “toys” away from the children(W & Dick) and make them take a loooonnnng timeout! Vote next Tuesday then enjoy with a big bowl of popcorn!
Wow- just wondering- how is it that our own Congressional intelligence committees did not get documents for months because of scanner problems and yet our govt was scanning old Iraqi documents full of info on making wmds?
I am not sure about this – but was Hoekstra connected to both of these scanning scenerios?
Where are Jane Harman and Jay Rockefeller…?
heh, Dru @ 17!
my favorite part of this….
these secrets were in Arabic. In other words, the people who were most afraid of getting hold of nuclear weapons don’t have to worry about translation errors — we didn’t just give them the secrets, we gave it to them in their own language!
They are already spinning this as proof Saddam was pursuing weapons of mass destruction and had to be taken out before he could realize his dream of having a nuclear weapon.
Of course, it is bogus as hell, but since when does that matter. Can’t you hear Matthews and the punidiots saying, “Doesn’t this bolster the President’s case for going to war by
establishing Saddam was planning to build a nuke?”
At ACLU Townhall with John Dean -
“BushCo WH makes every decision, statement & policy based totally on policitics. Never do they think of what would be good for the people, America or the world”
Great….. way to run a country
Christy !
mornin all,
as previously stated downstairs – only been away for four days (work & GOTV), but have been miserable homesick for y’all
hope I’m here when Rayne checks in on this story – if it continues to gain traction, Negroponte will throw Hoekstra under the bus without looking up from the massage table
o/t
think I have the winner in the burgeoning Ted Haggard snarkfest -
from:
http://www.amazon.com/Jerusale…..mp;s=books
We Report, You Deride
CNN – Iran test fires long range missiles. Iran – “The entire Gulf region is now under our control.”
Prof @ 22
Here and here.
While we’re asking questions . . .
If Negroponte was so opposed to this document dump, why didn’t he resign in protest?
Where was General Hayden at the time, and how did he weigh in on this?
Where was State, or were they cut out of the loop here?
Behind the throne, what were Cheney and Addington saying?
It’s one thing for SETI folks to say “hey, we’ve got all this data that needs sifting – can all you folks on the Toobz help us out?” But taking the documents of a regime you’ve been fighting for over a decade and uncritically posting them to the internet? That’s asking for trouble in so many ways!
here’s more proof that they are traitorous criminals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..r=homepage
Speaking of diets, it appears that Joe had his carbs restricted last night:
LaRouche youths drive Joe home
Having these guys in charge is like having a dopey high school science teacher handing out copies of “The Poor Man’s James Bond” to kids who have already been suspended for setting fire to their bus shelter.
In your posting, Christy, a typo: Party propoganda should be propaganda.
MSNBC now doing its Republican infomercial programming on immigration.
Frank Rich has it right, network news is soooo 20th century.
Mornin’ IS IT? I have NO COFFEE here, and I am feeling very confused. The info was posted in ARABIC? It was posted so US people could see that the WMD threat was real? But the only people who could read it were Arabic people and it told them how to make bombs? And this was some kinda good Repub politics?
And we have tons of weapons and explosives missing now in Iraq that we issued to Iraqi police without keeping track of serial numbers and all that bother?
I just hope everyone is voting. I cannot keep up with this. And I thought it was Bill O”Reilly’s head that was gonna melt. I’m gonna hafta go OUT for coffee.
Suppose, at the demise of the Soviet Union, the new Russian government posted the archives of the KGB, asking for help to sort them out. I’m guessing that the CIA, DIA, and NSA would have been more than happy to do just that. Iran’s equivalent of the CIA must have loved seeing this website go up. And how much would you like to bet that they worked to pull the whole lot onto their own computers, even before they knew exactly what was in it? Sure, the barn door’s closed now, but that horse is long gone.
More questions: I know the intelligence committees operate differently from other congressional committees, but they still have staff. I’d be curious to know if any staff members (a) knew about this, (b) pushed it, (c) screamed in protest [albeit behind closed doors], or (d) resigned and looked elsewhere for work.
martha @ 12
Not to mention that some of the people you most want to NOT have their hands on this information are people who read Arabic as a first language.
God we’re stupid.
These are desperate people. They don’t have all that much to live for.
Israeli troops open fire on women outside mosque
Staff and agencies
Friday November 3, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
http://www.guardian.co.uk/isra…..67,00.html
angie @ 37
If, and it’s a big if, this administration’s actions in the war and its aftermath are properly investigated, the corruption uncovered will be orders of magnitude greater than the huge DoD investigation known as “Operation Ill Wind” in the late `80s and early `90s. My firm belief is that only the tiniest fraction of what’s been going on has been either revealed through investigation or leaked.
The full extent of it will make Abramoff and Wade look like jaywalkers.
I’m glad this tops the page here! It is the most important subject right now and its been languishing on DKos and other liberal websites. Way to go FDL!
Just read Glenn Greenwald’s excellent post on the ramifications of the upcoming Nov. 5 Saddam verdict. Everyone should go have a read and then talk about it as much as possible. This is why Bush and Rove are so confident about this election — they have one more trick up their sleeve. This has the potential to do a lot of damage next week.
Tony at 47 — not really. Ooooh look, Saddam is guilty. But he’s still alive and Iraq sucks. Oh, and where’s Osama? Glenn’s post is great, but I don’t see this as any sort of scary anything other than yet another reminder that getting Saddam did not solve any problems in Iraq — not by a longshot.
if someone blows up Omaha, I know who to blame: Hoekstra and Roberts.
Why do republicans hate America?
Tony @ 47
Hey Saddam, we’ll spare your life if you admit you had WMDs and were seeking more. Whaddaya say?
Judge: NY Times must disclose sources in anthrax coverage
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TE=DEFAULT
Tony @ 47
What is likely to happen is a new wave of violence after the verdict. Don’t know how that helps the `pugs.
So,like um,how many freaking crimes do these people have to commit before they’re dragged out of their cushy offices in chains?
If I didn’t know who we’re dealing with here,I’d almost think they want someone to stop them. Nah,they just don’t give a damn. Either that or they’ve been sharing Pastor Ted’s meth stash.
If this stuff was being done by you or me,we’d be whisked off to a secret prison.
Just when I think they can’t sink lower or do something worse,they manage to top themselves.
From the “didn’t think I’d ever be writing this” department.
Tom Friedman (of all people!) popped a gasket in the NYT this morning. Blew up all over the regime. The piece is one long money quote. Example:
Better late than never, I suppose.
Finagle your way behind the subsciption wall, or find it somewhere. It’s a must-read.
p.lukasiak @
30
That is the most unbelievable part, isn’t it!!
We had the docs translated by people who probably didn’t know what they were reading, and then pass it along to “our enemies” in their own language.
UN-F*CKING BELIEVABLE!
I already said my head is melting, but hasn’t BushCo killed more Iraqis in Iraq in the last 3.5 years than Saddam did in 20?
Exactly, Christy @ 48. Going after Saddam has made us less secure. Has opened us to greater danger in the future. We are a bankrupt country deep in debt to foreign countries. The administration has squandered our leadership in the world community. Bush, Chee-knee, Rummy…axis of the devil.
CNN’s subject, Broken Government, doesn’t seem so far off base now, does it, Lynnie-babeee.
Bachmann’s Church Becomes Campaign Issue
http://www.eleventh-avenue-south.com/
Just to lighten things up
Josh Jennings
RE: Arab linguists. The only one I know was “retired” from the agency before 9-11. Since then the pay has been mucho mejor as a contractor.
burnspbesq @ 54
See towards the end of the last thread for the link to the driftglass analysis of this article….
Tony @ 47
The window of opportunity for this to help them has closed. If Iraq was on its way to becoming the model of democracy in the Middle East they they were trying to pawn, I could see where this could seal the deal. However, with the miserable failure that Iraq has become, it will be one more reminder of that.
yes vote but keep your eyes open, bring a cam corder. there are already reports of electronic machines switching votes, always to the Rethuglicans favor.
Bring a small digital camera or camcorder so you can shoot video of it. (And watch the HBO movie hacking democracy.)
Problems are already being reported:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ar…..-8131.html
Primary and early e-voting problems point to gathering storm
11/1/2006 5:42:14 PM, by Jon Stokes
As we move toward the November mid-terms, we’re beginning to a more detailed and depressing picture of exactly what we’re up against as a nation in less than a week: two major new reports from independent research groups detail the myriad security breaches, and procedural and technical problems in the 2006 Ohio primaries; stories from early voting in Texas indicate that the paperless DREs in at least two counties may have a partisan bias; another major new report from the University of Connecticut details a whole raft of security vulnerabilities in Diebold’s optical scan voting machines; finally, BlackBoxVoting.org has released “push this, pull here” instructions for multiple voting on a Sequoia DRE, no hacking skills necessary.
OT – Check this out from the Note. Looks like a little mor “walkin’ around money” from chimpco, just in time for the selection.
From “The Note“
Anyone else Notice this White House press release last night? Interesting timing to declare federal aid on its way to the Show-Me State just as the President plans a day of campaigning there. Be sure to Note the dates of the storms.
“The President today declared a major disaster exists in the State of Missouri and ordered Federal aid to supplement State and local recovery efforts in the area struck by severe storms during the period of July 19-21, 2006.”
Friedman is still an as* and will always be one, imho.
He can’t throw up the kool aid now– he was a major cheerleader waving his pom poms and doing splits for the administration prior to “shock and awe”.
T- @ 63
CNN briefly mentioned this as they were showing Talent speaking live and waiting Chimpy to come on.
A little OT but here we go.
MSNBC is reporting that the allegations against Ted Haggard are in part…..TRUE.
What part remains the question, my guess is that 99.87% of this story is true.
Fucking Hypocrites, there is nothing wrong with being gay or even curious. What IS wrong is the way they portray themselves and use gays as a wedge. The schadenfreund is heart warming.
burnspbesq @ 54
For a different perspective on Friedman’s epiphany, you might wanna check out drifty’s post entitled “We”?
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/
(sorry, but I can never figure out how to get specific links to transfer into or out of Blogger)
twolf1 @ 65
Very blatant, and another sign that they’re desperate. I hope Rove’s testicles are beginning to climb up into his abdominal cavity.
Holy fucking crap batman.
What a great post Christy. Once again I’m wondering if this is part of the reason they shut down Sibel Edmonds so hard.
oddball @ 66
Church Leader Says Haggard Admits To Some Indiscretions
…and for your YouTube pleasure – Mr. Haggard:
Ted Haggard Bashing Gays – from JESUS CAMP the Movie
-both via thinkprogress
Somebody should get fired in the white house for this “mistake” they should not be allowed to resign and/or get a medal. The house and senate should at least rebuke or censor the entire joint house senate joint inteligence committe. Preferably they would kick out the entire committe including dems Atom bomb plans are too dangerous to be on the net! The thought that are own government put them there AHH! Mark Foley was disturbing this is SERIOUS! If the wrong people read those plans 9/11 TEN TIMES WORST!
Montag teed it up, someone knock it out of the park.
tuneforg @ 71
Oh, I agree–especially since it was Bush who approved it….
jayt: (sorry, but I can never figure out how to get specific links to transfer into or out of Blogger)
Right click on the timestamp at the bottom of the article and “copy shortcut”. Then either paste the link or use the link option in the comments section here.
:-)
tuneforg:
The President should be fired for this.
“I hope Rove’s testicles are beginning to climb up into his abdominal cavity.”
I’m sure Haggard would be happy to retrieve them for Mr. Rove.
Stupidity or just plain running out of luck? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15…../newsweek/
o/t again – I know, I know, I’m going . . .
the good Reverend wasn’t cruising, he was Prayerwalking
well just look at the damn title
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..mp;s=books
apologies to the righteous RevDeb and PeterR
T- @ 72
punaise?
3sivund?
I’m not worthy!
:-)
twolf1 @ 76
Umm, I have a feeling that the good reverend is pretty busy right now trying to find his own….
.
he’s apparently ready
http://starbulletin.com/2005/0…../art1c.jpg
T- @ 72
Well, I don’t know about knocking it out of the park, but I’m sure hoping that he’s coughing them up onto Bush’s Oval Office desk by Wednesday morning….
The fuse has been lit. The Middle East is blowing up.
“Just when it seemed that the situation in Iraq couldn’t get any murkier, more muddled or more dangerous, it did. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, our “friend” or our client, if you will, has openly declared his independence from us and his dependence on his most important domestic supporter, the anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric Moqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia. Maliki, it’s becoming clear, is as big a part of the problem in Iraq as al-Sadr and his gang of thugs and murderers. But President Bush is, well, staying the course with Maliki with all the obstinacy that he’s displayed throughout his sojourn in Iraq.”
Re: MO dough
Maybe there will be some help coming for the people at the Convention Center in NOLA now too!!
Jane,
We have no time to deal with these insignificant issues. Not when John Kerry is making bad jokes. We need to redirect ALL attention to him and demand another apology…maybe even a third.
Besides, I heard the website is Bill Clinton’s fault.
Tony @ 47
It’s a foregone conclusion that Saddam will be found guilty and sentenced to death. If that happens, it will barely be a blip on the radar – it’s already factored in by the public. If it doesn’t happen, which party is more likely to suffer? (Hint: starts with R).
We should also begin talking about this.
We can not let the Bushies steal this election through media manipulation.
hahahaha…oh shit.
Too funny.
Twolf1 in the clutch. Curtain calls all around.
MayDaze @ 86
How does Muqtada al-Sadr view Saddam? He seems to be the one in control of what happens in Iraq.
Wasn’t this a John Negroponte-approved release? Mister Overall Intelligence Master divulges nuclear secrets?
Does he still have his job?
Dr. Bong @ 74
Thank you!! (though I’ve still got some other areas of cyber-maroonity to work on….)
Slothrop @ 90
He’s in Baghdad right now…
The article sez he did not want this released.
“Intelligence committee”? Sounds more like the “lack-of-intelligence committee” to me. Jeebus, do they understand that their job is not telling everyone in the world how to build nukes? (I can bet that every wannabe nuclear country/agency/terrorist has pulled every item they can from that site, or its cached versions, already. those that aren’t Arabic-speaking are probably out looking for translators right now.)
I’ve had enough!
Christy,
(Sorry, got an early work phone call)
Thanks. As long as the FDL’ers don’t think the Nov. 5 Saddam verdict is a big deal I can breathe easier. I think I have a form of “battered spouse syndrome” b/c I’m still waiting for the Repugs to start swinging anytime now. CAN’T WAIT TO VOTE ON TUESDAY! (Is that weird?)
The butcher of Central America, Nat’l Intell. Dir., John Negroponte, is now the butcher of Baghdad.
Iraqi police find 56 bodies in Baghdad
By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer
21 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq – U.S. National Intelligence Director John Negroponte met Friday with the Iraqi prime minister, in the second visit this week by a top U.S. official. The unannounced visit to Baghdad comes amid spiraling violence that included four American deaths and the discovery of 56 bodies in the Iraqi capital bearing signs of torture
Thanks, Angie — in Baghdad to coordinate the big Saddam Hussein verdict, no doubt.
omfg – it’s the seventh sign ! MSRNC is showing an actual Dem (Dodd) talking about the incompetence and abject security failure
we REALLY need to tie this in together.
1) the president lays to waste brewster jennings and assoiciates, a covert operation tracking womd’s in guess where?…Iran
2) for the first time we are selling nuclear material to outside countries
3) the president lays to waste the cover of valery wilson, who is currently heading an operation investigating wmd’s, guess where, Iran
4) the president posts on the internet for all the world to see, information terrorists can use to manufacture a nuclear weapon
4) the president allows Iran to conduct a nuclear test, even though he is warned it is about to happen
there’s more to add, that’s off the top of my head
Oklahoma kiddo @
83
Source?
Don’t you MOH-RONS get it?
This is brilliant. Dump the recipe to make WMDs on the internets. Then Al Qada in Iraq can make a bomb, and the neo-cons will be proven right: Iraq has both ties to Al Qada and WMD, thereby justifying the invasion. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
me to me @ 98
Umm, Iran has not conducted a nuclear test… you’re thinking of that other country we’ve been using as a political football, North Korea.
new thread
New thread, gang. I couldn’t help myself.
Sacramento Bee reports:
First lady asks for a civil debate
Laura Bush joins Doolittle at Rocklin rally — a sign he’s in a tough race.
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/71017.html
LindaR this is for you.
Hey, I can’t get onto the New Life Church website for my daily brainwashing. Anyone know what’s up?
Instead I went to the NewYoutube Life Church and found this hilarious (in a really scary sort of way) exchange between Richard Dawkins and Ted Haggard.
Teddy becomes unhinged.
T- @ 105
“Becomes?” He’s been flapping loose in the breeze for a long, long time.
And for Prof – If you want to link in a prior comment: right click the big number next to the author name to the right side of the gray bar for the permalink to the comment. It helps if the thread is a previous one where all comments are out of moderation and adjusted to their final posted number.
It occurs to me that given how long the Iraq data has been up on the pentagon website, it is very likely that an unknown number of rightwing fanatics, who do not have the sense the gods gave a mule, now have there hands on “detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.“
Folks, this is likely to get picked up by the networks, but they may not do more homework, as Christy has done. So the best thing we can do is to SPOTLIGHT, SPOTLIGHT, SPOTLIGHT. We may be able to make this the number one topic for the weekend; we have time to affect Sunday editorials, which are being written today; and we can affect the Sunday talk-head questions and guests. This can be a major story through election day.
In addition to major national/regional papers, especially those in critical states of MO, TN, CT, VA, MT, etc, (or media in the region of your favority local candidate) we should just hit as many CNN hosts and MSNBC hosts, plus all network anchors as we can.
I also suggest we Spotlight to special categories like “military” and “pentagon” and “security” reporters, by using the “MORE” button on SPOTLIGHT. Also “White House” and “political” categories produce very good narrower lists of reporters. After that, try “panelist” which produces a good list of people who show up on talk show panels.
If we can capture the lead story with this, we can blow the Bush/Rove messages off the news. And don’t forget to mention, in your “comment,” the attached article by “respected blogger, Christy Hardin Smith, of firedoglake.” Encourage them to look here for helpful information and analysis.
Peterr @ 100
http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._burns.php
and I hate to say it, but the democrats are attacking the presidnet from the wrong perspective
for instance, they say;
“the president took us into war in Iraq’
instead they should be indignant and say;
“the presiden ABANDONDED the fight against terrorism and by attacking Iraq which had NO terrorists, NO ties to terrorism and was an ENEMY OF BIN LADEN AND AL QAEDA, has created MORE TERRORISTS, and made our task almost impossible to win.”
THAT’S the way we need to attack the president and the MORONS in office
instead of saying;
“he wanted to privatize social security”
we need to say;
“they wanted to take the investments we’ve accumulated over GENERATIONS and give OUR MONEY AND OUR CHILDRENS MONEY to people so wealthy they will NEVER SPEND IT”
we have the facts but the message needs to be more clear
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
Many thanks!
While this is a glaring and needlessly self-inflicted intelligence failure, it is important to realize that nuclear weapons are not something you can throw together in your garage so al Qaeda won’t benefit from these plans. The Iranians will certainly be interested in them to see if there is anything they can use in their own program. The North Koreans may have more difficulties with the language barrier but with their own recent failed test they too might like to see if the Iraqi data contains any insights applicable to their problems. The Pakistanis and Indians might pick over it for a few stray tidbits. Finally, more established nuclear powers might want to compare the Iraqi documents to their own intelligence assessments.
Hugh at 112 — it wasn’t just the nukes information that was appalling in my mind — nothing like handing out a variety of techniques for producing sarin or tabun. Because, you know, terrorists or other bad actors would have no interest in being able to produce those.
Jeebus. We truly are being run by a pack of wild morons, aren’t we? Do people in the military and intel communities wake up every morning hoping against hope that the Administration will concentrate on domestic policy only for the day so they can be left alone to do their freaking jobs?
angie @
65
Your facts are correct, but I suggest a different strategy. In WWII, FDR and Churchill sent billions in “lend-lease” arms to Stalin, not because they liked him or approved of communism or revolutions, but because he could keep half the German army pinned down on the eastern front. At this moment in our history, everything Friedman does in the NYT, or Sullivan does on CNN, to disparage the Bush regime and enourage folks to vote against the Bush regime, should be encouraged, IMO.
I’ve read the Friedman op-ed, and it is a devastating indictiment of Bush, Cheney, Rove. It is exactly the kind of response to the Kerry goof that Jane et al asked for. We need all the friends we can get.
tuneforg @ 72
As I showed in Comment 18, above, the President himself made this mistake. He ordered that the documents be put on the Web, over the opposition of the Director of National Intelligence.
I’d say that karl’s numbers from his 68 special polls aren’t looking quite so good at the moment.
I know this is late, but
OH
MY
FUCKING
GOD.
They docu-dumped spec-level details of fucking nukes?
I don’t discuss this often, but I once had a career as an engineering technician with one of our big bad defense contractors. And, specifically, I worked on one of the nuclear missile programs. Even I didn’t know how the bombs went kablooie. I knew some, some of the specs for the guidance system to make the missile get where it needed to go kablooie. Other people knew the specs of how to package the bomb (size, shape, etc.). Other people knew how to wire the juice where it needed to be inside the missile. And etc. But only a very small handful of people knew the kablooie part.
And I can honestly say it was with good reason. Parceling out classified data like that and restricting who has access to it are always–ALWAYS–good ideas when dealing with things that can incinerate planets.
What the FUCK is the matter with these morons to release the FUCKING FIRING CIRCUITS DATA? The TRIGGER explosives? Radioactive cores?
OH
MY
FUCKING
GOD.
Anybody who had done this under any other US President would have been shot for fucking treason and a general threat to humanity as a whole.
Oh, and for Bush to do it?
He’s a traitor.
He’s a motherfucking traitor.
I’m so angry and upset I’m shaking here.
marksb @ 9
Twelve. An even duh-zen.
cbl @ 33
Not even coffee? Seems cruel.
LJ/Aquaria @
118
I agree, but thanks for the level of detail you provided.
Here are the two who did this for the WH:
Congressman Pete Hoekstra (R – MI)
Senator Pat Roberts (R- KS)
I’m sure posting nuclear secrets online was a highly calculated chess-like move by the administration when considered in the larger geopolitical arena…c’mon, don’t you trust these bozos anymore? ;-)
http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/20…..ok-online/
I keep waiting for the news stations to take off with this story. I am appalled that it isn’t scaring the bejeezus out of all of them. They keep plaing up the Colorado hypocrite and the days old Kerry blooper. Where are those idiots coming from and where are they leading this poor country. I just hope my children can still move back to Europe before this administration destroys the country any further.