
I'm sitting here in the press-room backstage at Quinnipiac University. Holy Joe cancelled his appearance at tonight's debate, so it's Ned and Alan Schlessinger. Maybe because Joe has finally realized that he's completely outclassed. Maybe just because he's a big chicken like Alan McKeon.
Today has been the first day of the Big Bad Bus Tour 2006, and I've gotten to meet a bunch of Connecticut citizens. I've learned a lot about this state and the issues facing its citizenry. I've learned a lot about Ned's platform on issues besides the war. But something else I've learned today? Joe Lieberman isn't just incompetent, a suck-up, and a political opportunist, he's also a hateful little bitch. The people I met today know and understand that. They know that Joe's not in this business for the people of Connecticut. He's not even in this for the businesses and corporations of Connecticut. He's in this race for himself. He likes being in the Peerage, having a title, and never having to open a door for himself.
I know this may be old news to a lot of you, but just talking to people from all over CT from all walks of life, it has really been made clear to me that the only time Rape Gurney Joe ever even tries to act like he likes his constituency is when his entitlement is at risk. It explains a lot that I couldn't figure out about him like why he found it so appalling that he had to participate in the Primary (and why it was no matter at all for him to bail on his party and run anyway), why he has staffed his campaign with thugs and compulsive liars, and why his behavior over the course of the race has been so vicious and despicable. If you asked Joe, he'd tell you that he IS Connecticut. Hell, in his head, he is The Cosmos.
Today, I got to see Ned Lamont in action, talking to students first at UConn, and then at a jam-packed town-hall meeting at Manchester Community College, as well as at tonight's debate. He remains the steadfast, soft-spoken, matter-of-fact candidate that I remember from the primary, but something else I noticed as I watched him shake hands and lean in to listen to what people were saying to him was that he is, above all, a gentleman. He was unfailingly gracious and polite, even as the LieberYouth who showed up in their College Republicans t-shirts and "Vote Joe" signs stood and booed loudly during his speech at UConn.
Maybe these aren't the ideal qualities for a campaigner. As we've seen this year, political contests can be brutal, ugly things (ask Mike Stark!), but in spite of Lieberman's mouthpieces' insistence that Lamont and his supporters are a bunch of lying, bomb-throwing, lefty lunatics, the overall vibe of this campaign is that while winning is crucially important, everything must be done in a way that's fair and above the board.
Holy Joe may send out his surrogates to lie and spin, to cast aspersions and distort the facts, but the Lamont campaign knows that the facts are on their side. The Bush Administration and its vanity war are crashing, dismal failures that have placed not just the fate of the US, but the entire planet at risk. Personally, I can't understand why anybody would vote for Joe at all, given that he votes like a Kennedy but lies like a Hannity. He's a disgrace. And a nasty, petty, vengeful man who thinks that vote-buying and personal smears are the way to carry the day. If there's any justice at all in the world, election day will bring some nasty realities home to Lieberman and Co. Karma's a bitch, Joe, and she knows where you live.
One of highlights of the day for me included the group of 18-20 year olds I sat with at Manchester College. They were so achingly fresh-faced and optimistic, so in tune with the truth of America's situation, both at home and overseas. They were deeply committed to peace, education, and health care, and excited about the possibilities that a Democratic Congress could bring. They reminded me of what was great about being that age, that sense that the world is full of opportunity and promise.
Something else that tickled me was that they listen to all the same music that I did at that age, R.E.M., U2, Radiohead. Has the world of rock and roll produced that little decent music in the last decade or so?
The debate just ended and it went really well. Funny, I didn't ever hear that annoying little squeaking sound that I remember from the other debates.
Must be the carpet in the auditorium.

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T-REX!!!
Dang, almost got it.
Yay TRex!
So glad you’re there T-Rex, have a great time.
So what’s Matt Stoller REALLY like?
Jane Hamsher @ 4
Adorable.
If he wasn’t so straight, I’d kiss him.
Guess Joe4Joe ain’t gonna be on your Xmas card list.
I so miss not getting to Late Nite very often.
OT ~ Show Mike Stark some luv: http://www.callingallwingnuts……/my-story/
The rabid Rethuglican trolls are wetting themselves with disgust in the comments.
And that would be the problem. Joe no longer works for these people, he works for the lobbyists.
Lobbyists for Lieberman!!!!
Hey TRex – Ned rocks! You can see why we love him so.
I think the bus tour is a great idea.
You’re right – Lieberman doesn’t like the people of Connecticut. He and his supporters are incredibly hateful folks. It makes me sad for my state.
Hope to see you on Saturday.
Pardon me for this late night fangirl moment…Lou Reed has a song on our blog. Uh. Mah. Gawd.
Okay, now back to your regularly scheduled snark. (And the Mountaineers are, alas, still down by ten with a minute and a half to go in the 4Q.)
Joe can’t be the Cosmos, because Chris Bell claimed that honor after leaving Big Star and writing “I Am the Cosmos.”
Tonight is our weekly put-out-the-trash night. I’m emptying every wastebasket, even the ones in the basement that we usually forget to do, and hoping it’s a good omen for CT and the rest of the nation.
It’s incredible, their disdain for the rules of fair conduct. They really are republicans in blue ties.
Trex and Stoller … what a duo!
I’m so glad you’re back in CT … I miss being there for the final push!
Soon, I hope to be able to introduce you all to my new canine friends, Pi and Tucker.
T-Rex,
I was kind of hoping for a little more info on the handsome David Sirota. Did you get to ask him about Dangerstain by any chance?
I thought I saw a dinosaur in that photo, but it turned out to be a Huskie.
For me, the most telling thing about Low Road Joe–other than, perhaps, THE KISS and the condemnation of Clinton–was seeing the photo of his car parked in the handicapped zone so he wouldn’t have to walk so far. Like, screw the handicapped, I’M JOE LIEBERMAN.
canine? whoa …
are those the pups at HQ?
neurophius @ 19
Exactly. I mentioned that in the draft of this post that got eaten by Quinnipiac’s dodgy internet connection.
UptownNYChick @ 9
No, actually, he works for Joe. He just uses the lobbyists in a mutually beneficial fashion.
Siun @ 20
Yup. Pi is a little terrier, just teeny, but totally sweet and laid back, and Tucker is a HUGE golden retriever, who loves to give kisses.
Gnome de Plume @
18
I’m with you. On first glance, I thought TRex was standing behind the next Senator from CT.
Face it Connecticut, Joe’s just not that into you.
I am hopeing there was a empty chair where “the bitch” was to be…it would have been a nice tv effect.
UptownNYChick @ 17
Tom Swan is trying to set me up a Dangerstein interview. I’m not sure I want that opportunity.
Sirota…sigh. I haven’t been able to say much to him since I keep seeming to be struck dumb every time I encounter the palpable force field of his charisma.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 11
Condolences to you and your Mountaineers.
Hope they make this game a tradition ’cause it was a really entertaining game and another scoring extravaganza by both teams like last year.
“Tom Swan is trying to set me up a Dangerstein interview. I’m not sure I want that opportunity.”
OMG!
So TRex, what are you rollin’ in in CT and what are you listening too?
You guys going headed to southwest Fairfield County (Stamford, Greenwich, Norwalk)?
TRex @ 27
I kind of like the idea of TRex interviewing Dangerstein. For best effect, they should throw down on November 8.
TRex @ 27
I totally understand the Sirota effect — I have a crush from afar.
If you get to interview Dangerstain, please videotape it. That would be fuuuuuuunnnnn.
TRex @
5
Ooh. Good to know, from the het female perspective. :)
As for the lack of great music these days, I hate to burst bubbles, but it has ever been thus that the hip young ‘uns look to the past to point them toward the future. When I was young, it was the Beatles and Hendrix and the Doors, Led Zep (ugh!) and Roxy Music, and most people ignored some of the artists of the 80s who were about to become “big” names, like, oh, U2 and REM. I can remember putting U2’s October on my turntable at a gathering of friends in 1981, and people saying, what is that awful noise? Put on David Bowie (who had maybe 10 songs I liked)! But then, these were the same people who still didn’t get The Clash, or even the Sex Pistols (the latter required a healthy dose of cynicism about the music industry, and a twisted sense of humor).
Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose, and all that rot.
I wanted to share this comment (from the Lamont blog) by someone who was at the debate event.
Maybe just me, but I think the Liebertruck with the voting-booth in it looks like someone hauling a Port-a-potty? Better yet, it comes with a small group of paid ‘volunteers’ explaining why Joe can be found at the bottom of the thing…
Hey UptownNYChick
Didn’t mean to wig you out w/ that Lightfoot tune the other night.
It does have that eerie “stuck between this world and the next” kind of quality.
I hate to wimp out again, but I may be headed for bed, soon. I’m pretty tired. Last night was great sleeping until the hotel fire alarm went off at 2:30 in the morning. I woke up not knowing where I was but that there was this awful noise and strobe lights flashing in my room. Very unsettling. False alarm, fortunately, but falling asleep again wasn’t easy.
I hope you packed your Dame Edna glasses.
Oh the irony, to see a holdover from the cretateous period so utterly in its element as a 21st century schiziod man! Kudos, T-rex. You are a pleasure to read! Please, more about how the people you’ve met realize what narcissistic ass the man is.
Been noticing the iconography in Ned’s photos in past weeks. Maybe ephemeral to some, but they’ve been pushing the Mr. Smith Goes to Washinton button long before they did the explicit ad with Ned as Jimmy Stewart.
Great stuff, because it rings true. Hope you guys on the road in Connecticut help deliver the surprise we all pray for down to our toes.
TRex @
5
He’s pretty damn straight.
which lightfoot tune?[lightfoot junkie]
Late-Niters, check this out. Please, check this out.
My Mom sent her weekly ReThug racist scum email to all of her golfing racist rich-bitch Mark Foley loving scum friends.
She made the mistake of sending it to me.
My response, which will get me kicked out of the family and a multi-million dollar inheritance, was
I’m serious about this.
I’ll give you one guess….
snuffy @ 41
This could be bigger and uglier than Katrina the Dubai ports debacle.
short version: In an effort to justify Iraq War, Bush incompetently posts information on the net which helps Iran’s nuclear program.
long version: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..r=homepage
Heck, it might even be as big as Kerry letting the cat out of the bag about the long term career inadvisability of being a soldier in Iraq with insufficient body armor, working for a clueless commander in chief with no plan, breathing in depleted uranium dust while your family is on food stamps and your veteran’s benefits are being cancelled and your tour of duty extended.
Have you ever looked closely at Joey L. when he smiles? I mean look really close, especially the eyes. It’s enough to give any man, woman, child, dog, cat, or hapless bird in the vicinity the creeps. ick!
Can anyone get Olbermann to do a piece on Joe Liebermann – the turncoat Democrat – sleaze that masquerades as honest broker? Good for Paul Newman.
People keep criticizing Lamont’s campaign. I think he has done an incredible job and I don’t think that the slow start after the primary is the problem in the poll results at all. I don’t think CT is deep blue. I think this was the false assumption. For the sake of the country Joe should not be sent back as senator. Somehow the CT voters don’t seem to look deep enough.
I still think it can be won with the positive GOTV campaign. I am cheering you all on from the west coast.
Snuffy here.
Turning into pumpkin. ‘Nite all.
Balrog @ 42
I’m serious about this.
Oy. Family and politics are a tough combination. Hang in there.
TRex @ 36
Try counting Lieberman supporters. *wink
~
Or this might help: http://americablog.blogspot.co…..59467.html
obsessed – the NY Times article on the posting of nuclear SECRETS by conservative republicans is QUITE astonishing!
Good catch.
(whadda bunch of nitwits!)
T- at any time of the day,without warning lightfoot comes to my head.When I here the news lately,Its usually “pride of man”..which saddens me beyond words
The great thing about my family is that we’re all flaming liberals. My parents would never send out that kind of offensive material.
Balrog @ 42
I’m serious about this.
Don’t worry man, there’s always room around the fire down by the river with me and the boys. ‘Cept, you know, it’s under 20 degrees in Mpls. tonight. Maybe, tuck a little trust away for a rainy day.
Hey Balrog,
Balrog @ 42
Not even worth pointing out to your Mom that Iranians aren’t even Arabs?
I guess not, since half the people in DC don’t even know the difference between Shia and Sunni.
Ignorance is never appealing.
Oh, and TRex?
“Has the world of rock and roll produced that little decent music in the last decade or so?”
I must respectfully conclude that is correct.
(Oh, and a plea from a military guy who is legally bound not to work for political campaigns? GOTV. Thank you.)
If it hasn’t been already mentioned, Paul Newman, who is nothing but class, is featured in a spot for Ned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&eurl=
This is a very good thing. Some people who won’t listen to anyone else in an ad will listen to Newman.
Hip hip!
Maybe Dangerstein should interview TRex.
HEY Y’ALL – It looks bad now, but the answer is GOTV. Look, I’m in Louisiana – how bad can it be??? GET OUT THE VOTE. GO DO IT. We need Ned. We (in LA) need Ned. Just like everybody in the US, WE NEED NED.
obsessed @ 44
Wow. I remember that release and how many months before N. Korea first tested nukes did this occur?
Scientists say all seafood will run out by 2050– right after the oil- so if ya wanna drive downtown for a lobster dinner- do it soon.
good night, pups – catch you on the flip
Most of my immediate family is pretty lefty, too. I do have the unique honor of having two of the first U.S. members of Opus Dei in the next concentric circle of relations.
T- @ 35
Oh no, I liked the video. I grew up near the Great Lakes region and I heard that song when I was little and it always scared me.
I have great respect for those waters and their histories.
neurophius @ 55
Absolutely not. He would lie about everything and then call me a liar and probably an anti-semite, too. Not on your life.
Respectful Dissent @ 54
Optimist.
Some people are compainin cause GW Clusterfuck posted instructions on how ta make an atomic bomb on a website- for terrorists.
Picky, picky- well sure he made SOME mistakes.
selise has organized a meetup for the MA irregulars and other FDL folks in CT.
We’re getting together for the Lamont rally (starts at 7 pm) in New Haven on Saturday
Then to Sullivan’s** for a beer or late dinner
* New Haven rally:
http://www.nedlamont.com/?s=standupforchange
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/…..llies/wrlg
**Sullivan’s on Chapel between York and Park
1166 Chapel St., New Haven
(203) 777-4367
If interested please contact me at dbharbor-blog at yahoo dot com or selise at speakeasy dot com.
rwcole @ 65
“Noo-kyoo-lar. It’s pronounced noo-kyoo-lar.”
–Homer J. Simpson
balrog,
I have an aunt and uncle like that. I just threaten to make a scene at the next holiday. I seriously smacked them down at Christmas in 2003. After that, they stopped sending their Bush porn to me.
Difference between sunnis and shia- Well let’s see- some of em think that the successor to the prophet was his nephew and some think it was his uncle- or somethin like that- but which is which? Who the hell knows? Why is it important? Well ya really had ta BE there.
Balrog, you should change the word Iranians to Republicans and send it back to your mom.
And below this quote is the Lamont tour Bus
with Ned making his Kerry speech yesterday…
This was on the Bob Geiger blog and pretty
impressive…I did send him a thank you for everyone in the Lamont campaign.
If you haven’t seen it, go the Americablog. and read the Keith Olbermann rebuke of Bushman for today…he is the most courageous man and he really knocked him big time. If you want a copy, let me know momaloney at comcast dot com.
I have saved it as it is amazing stuff.
Happy to hear the tour went so well…it is a different tale over at the whiners blog..pathetic. According to them, no Lamont supporters were around to listen to Ned’s five minute speech!! Ha!!
Have a good night….
I fished the lakes when refueling reactors at Keewaunee Nuke station…nearly fell in love and stay in wis…when fishing the lakes with a oldtimer once,he saw a small band of clouds on the horizen and made for shore FAST.I ,who had spent time on the sea,thought he was nuts….old man was right …by the time we got in it was way way worse than I ever want to be in a small boat on a big big lake…
OldCoastie @
50
And did you notice that this is not the first time?
EvilDrPuma @ 64
Sorry. 25%? 10%?
But remember! The adults are in charge now!
He likes being in the Peerage, having a title, and never having to open a door for himself.
Little Lord Fontle-Joe
UptownNYChick @ 68
My extended are all fundies from Texas, Okla and Kansas; but, they’re not stupid people by nature, just by religion. This is the first time in years I’m actually interested to hear their opinions…I’m hoping they will tell me that whomever is ’speaking’ to Jorge, it isn’t THEIR savior.
Imagine that- no seafood after 2050- none- nada- not an oyster or a clam- or a shrimp- or even a flounder anywhere.
Ever think about that? Seems like one or two seafoods could hide out somewhere.
An FYI about CT voters. Many folks don’t make up their minds until they step into the voting booth.
Lieberman was down 11 pts to Weicker the week before the 1988 election. The night before the election he was down 6 pts. (Sadly he won by 3 pts) And that was a “normal” election with two main candidates.
Who wins this next Tuesday is still anyone’s guess.
balrog:
I grew up in a family of Republicans. My grandfather was a legislator. I used to dread Thanksgiving because they would all gang up on me, knowing I was a Democrat.
Watergate gave me a certain morally superior edge that meant I no longer had to take their abuse; I would start talking about what Republicans are really all about and there was little they could say.
Over the years I just stopped talking to them about politics, as it seemed to make other things go better between us.
In 2004, my mother volunteered that she voted for John Kerry because she has grandsons who she does not want to see going to Iraq. I quietly celebrated a victory.
Do what you need to do, but next time you receive an e-mail like that, you might consider using the “delete” button and moving on.
Well here’s the thing about the fundies– God doesn’t LOSE wars- so if yer president is losin a war- he ain’t workin with God- so he must be workin with- well ya know- the OTHER side.
Ever seen a 666 on clustefuck’s hairline?
TPM guest poster DK has gotten flack from many quarters as a Ned naysayer, but these general observations are excellent:
When a style parody like Tenacious D rocks louder and hotter (IMO) than all of the emocore/nu-metal/eurodiscotrash fruitbags combined in a cement mixer filled with ball bearings and burning JP5, well…And of course, I blame Clinton.
;>)
Fuck these fame-chasing junkie wastrels and the execs who sign their worthless asses…Business deals set to music, bah!
rwcole @
77
right off the dock down the hill from my front yard. and I mean to fight to keep those fish alive.
snuffy @ 72
You don’t mess with Gitche Gumee. She’s cold in July but it’s a badge of honor to swim in her. It’s true, though, with the cold she doesn’t give up the dead. They sink and stay down. Funny Longfellow never mentioned that. Lightfoot did. Funny that they both have L…F… compounded names…funny like I should go to bed. Night all!
Balrog @
42
Most of the family spam I get is of the fundy-religious stripe, which is equally offensive in its own way. For a while, I just let it pass, but one came by that was too much, and I let loose with a blast like yours. Coming from not just a relative but a pastor-relative, it detonated rather loudly.
Best thing I ever sent, and I wish I’d sent it long before. Some of them wised up a bit, while the others just keep it more to themselves than they did in the past. Either way, my email box is a tad happier.
Friends, thanks for the response and concern.
Don’t worry about me. I
hateignore my parents. They are icky.If I may, the thing to take away from my post is this.
I’m mad as hell. Etc.
My Mom’s friends (45 were copied on the priceless Iranian/Muslim joke) are in for a rude surprise.
Priceless.
darkblack @ 81
and I thought it was just me growing a bit older..)
The moslem joke is a classic fear inspired one liner. The teller is pretending to himself that the US is so powerful that it could- if it wanted to- eliminate every person it found offensive from the planet without messing it’s hair.
The truth- as GW Clusterfuck has proven- is far different.
The smugness and smirkiness of the typical gooper is a cover for fear.
Truly offensive repug mailing.
Speaking of offensive/racist jokes.
rwcole @ 88
Kinda the inverse of the old “Don’t worry man. The world’s smartest person just jumped out of the plane with my backpack” joke.
Patrick- Yeah- maybe- I LOVE that joke by the way.
Balrog:
You could always ask them,
“What would Nixon do?”
Good night, kids. Another big day tomorrow.
Thanks, as always, for reading. Everybody pray for victory.
neurophius @ 93
Yeah, logic.
Ain’t happening.
These people are truly the unreachables, and I’m fine with that. I’m not trying to reach them.
Love FDL.
neurophius @ 93
I thought Joe Scarborough (who I generally have no use for) put down Pat Buchanan rather effectively tonight when he reminded Pat he had served with a bunch of felons…maybe it’s just my age, but I think Watergate still resonates. As I believe the GW Bush era will in the future.
Scarborough had a brain transplant months ago which won’t allow him to do wingnuttery for a prolonged period of time. Fascinating medical problem.
TRex – Thank you so much for doing the Nutmeg. Sleep well amigo.
punaise @
75
Blue Ribbon winner! Kudos, punaise!
I’m so out of the loop. Didn’t know there was a debate tonight. Never got to see the last one either. Anyone know if this will be online somewhere?
I signed up for 4 days of GOTV at a neighboring campaign. (My district is safely blue.) Yay me!
“I don’t think water boarding is torture,” DeLay said. “My definition of torture is you physically harm someone by cutting them, by cutting their fingers, sticking things in their eyes, sticking their fingers in electric sockets. Water boarding is a frightening experience. But the person does not have physical damage.”
I thought Joe Scarborough (who I generally have no use for) put down Pat Buchanan rather effectively tonight when he reminded Pat he had served with a bunch of felons…maybe it’s just my age, but I think Watergate still resonates.
I thought he was referring to the Reagan years.
so who won the debate?
David Olsen @ 102
Buchanan was Nixon’s press secretary. What was he under Reagan? I don’t recall.
If you’re gonna call someone a hateful little bitch, it better be a female dog that just bit your dick.
Sorry…but don’t even think of putting Lieberman in the female category. He’s male…all male…one of your kind. We want nothing to do with him. OK?
Signed,
Bitch Goddess
Random thoughts:
1. Time.com is reporting that one of the dog trainers convicted by a military court in the Abu Ghraib scandal is headed back to Iraq to help train the police.
2. Drudge Report finally has a Haggard headline up. But his biggest headline, the Uber-headline, is “Where’s Nancy?” That’s the latest GOP talking point on Hannity and Levin – Nancy Pelosi is AWOL. And they’re still talking about Kerry, God bless ‘em. A for effort.
3. Jeffreyw asked a couple posts back about the Obama/Rezko story. First, read the 11/1 story in the Chicago Tribune. Second, read John Kass’s 11/2 column in the Trib. Bottom line, people are wondering why Obama paid 15% below asking price for a Chicago mansion in June 2005 while Rezko (recently indicted on multiple charges by Patrick Fitzgerald) paid full price for the vacant lot next door; they closed on the same day. It looks an awful lot like a de facto gift from Rezko to Obama.
TRex:
Thank you for the upbeat news from the Lamont campaign. These last few days of the campaign are critically important. Ned needs to jump on the democrtic tidal wave bandwagon. The more Lieberman can be painted as a Republican, the easier he will be swept out of office.
Did Ned squish the gooper?
rwcole @ 101
Ok, fine. Then everyone who thinks this should voluntarily undergo waterboarding, like police officers sometimes get Tasered so they will know what it’s like.
We all know being waterboarded would kill Cheney with the bad ticker.
OK, Wikipedia comes to the rescue, once again. Buchanan was Reagan’s communications director. I had forgotten that.
The difference between Nixon’s felons and Reagan’s felons is that Reagan’ didn’t take him down with them, and he pardoned them.
“kill Cheney with the bad ticker”
Yeah but this is Delay- he ain’t got one!
Clusterfuck says he’s gonna start eatin seafood now that it’s days are numbered- washin it down with vintage motor oil.
OK, so maybe we should advocate waterboarding for campaign finance fraud.
Balrog @
42
I’m serious about this.
Balrog, I believe you are a hell of a demon. Rock on.
rwcole @ 101
Any chance we’re going to see DeLay in jail sometime soon? I’m sure the other “guests of the government” would be only too happy to enlighten him about a great variety of torture methods.
Clusterfuck cries big ol alligator tears ever time he getsta talk about huggin widows of the guys he butchers in Iraq. Makes him feel REAL bad.
Ever thinka how you’d feel if you were the guy in the box you candy ass son of a bitch?
rwcole @ 108
CT Bob live blogged the debate: http://ctbob.blogspot.com/
Let’s at least tell the truth, please! Joe cancelled because he’s ahead by about 12 points in all the polls and he doesn’t need to debate anymore. All he has to do is not get caught fondling any senate pages between now and election day and the thing is in the bag.
That is a foul thing to admit, but it looks from here like the people of CT have made their bed with the devil.
Not one person in CT has the right to say ANYTHING when Joe spits on them and joins the Republican party! I think CT Democrats are out of their freaking minds to give Joe 30% of their votes!
As for the “independents” they should be ashamed!
Clusterfuck does a thursday mornin cattle call:
Send in the widows- the great hugger is here!
Gnome de Plume @
70
Winner!
rwcole @ 108
Or try Ned’s blog: http://nedlamont.com/blog/2118/debate-open-thread
Also, we sentenced a Japanese officer to 15 years of hard labor in 1947 for waterboarding a U.S. civilian. You know, back in that war that everyone loves to love. Back then it was a war crime. What’s changed, Tom DeLay?
damn quick, mods!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 87
Nope…All these pansyfied ‘new’ pod people parenting techniques meant to babyproof the world, but instead turning an entire generation or two into spoiled, indolently passive video game operators…There’s your perp.
Too bad nobody explained to these wet-between-the-cheeks simps that you have to do more than hold a guitar like the dude on MTV in order to get laid and get paid.
;>)
neurophius @
110
Actually I think GHWBush did the pardoning—something to tuck away with other little treasures.
Any campaign manager who would let Joe get on the stage for a debate while ahead by 12 with five days to go should be sued for malpractice.
Lou Costello @ 121
They had a great one hour discussion of stubstance about issues of importance to the residents of CT.
No rancor, anger, vindictiveness. Ned even gave Alan some of his time so it wouldn’t be a Ned monologue. True bipartisanship.
No whining, no nastiness, no big egos
Lamont/Schlesinger in 2008!
(j/k)
Have you heard? There’s this new thing called YouTube. It is changing the political landscape. Politicians who make a lot of gaffes should look out!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01835.html
Cugel @ 118
Sigh – I will repeat –
1) Joe was behind 11 pts the week before he beat Senator Weicker. He was behind by 6 pts the day before the election.
2) Ned has gotten a range of poll results the past two weeks.
3) CT voters tend not to make up their minds until the days before the election or they walk into the voting booth.
4) There is a segment of Dems in CT who are far more conservative than many Unaffiliated or Republicans. These are the so called “Reagan Dems” – blue collar workers in places like Bridgeport and Waterbury.
5) The only reason why as many Unaffiliated are voting for Lieberliar as are, is because the Dem party has allowed him to tell the residents of CT that he will retain seniority and will chair “powerful” committees like the Homeland Security Committee. Joey has admitted that this is probably the one thing that has kept him ahead in the race.
punaise @ 128
Gee – funny.
I’m sorry – for those of us who have killed ourselves working for Lamont – don’t think it’s very funny at all.
punaise @ 129
I think a lot of people on the left would vote for Schlesinger before they’d vote for Lieberman. He could hardly be worse, right?
“…Hell, in his Head he is the Cosmos.”
Sounds like a job for Evil Parallel Universe ……….
Looks like the neocons are preparing the adoption papers for little Joey.
from the Neocon American Enterprise Institute, check the bottom item.
dab from CT @ 131
sorry you took it that way. no offense intended. it was merely a reflection on your comment about the two of them having a civil discussion in the absence of the petulant one.
perhaps “j/k” was too cryptic.
just kidding.
Wolcott wonders if Haggard and GWB have been speaking in coded gay lingo.
http://www.vanityfair.com/poli…..ouchi.html
G’night folks. driving to conn. early tomorrow to help out all the great FDLers who’ve been fighting so hard.
Sweet dreams
More good news from the only state in the union with the right to rebel written into the state constitution, NH.
NH’s 2 congressional district seat is one that was not predicted to flip due to the relatively moderate voting record of the sitting GOP congressman Charlie Bass.
Well, (D)Paul Hodes is ahead in the polls, third one in a row with him in the lead.
Polls say the NH Dem base is fired up and ready to vote. The NH Sec. of State says this looks to be close to a record breaker for midterms as far as participation.
Hodes will also be riding the wave of the NH Dem. Guv Lynch who is coasting to re-election at around 70%.
Also more good news.
The other astounding news is the NH 1st congressional seat is within the margin of error…..NH may be looking at a wipe out of the all GOP delegation.
“Meanwhile, in the state’s 1st congressional district, Rep. Jeb Bradley (R-NH) is also facing a stronger than expected challenge from political newcomer Carol Shea-Porter (D). Bradley leads 47% to 42%.”
-GSD
HotFlash @
114
Balrog, I believe you are a hell of a demon. Rock on.
*That is a retreaded anti black racist joke…replace Iranian with the N word and you’ll see the mentality.
Tell your Mom to take the day off on Tuesday.
-GSD
That’s just silly.
Joe didn’t “cancel” his participation in the debate. He just pulled another “lieberman” At the end of the third debate Schlesinger said it would be great to have a fourth. Joe looked like he would rather have his fingernails pulled out but of course, being the hypocrite he is, said he was all for it.
I agree with rwcole – any campaign manager worth anything would not have recommended Joe participate whether he’s up 12 pts, 8 pts or 5 pts.
What I find bizarre is that it took the Lieberman campaign until 12:00 noon today to finally tell the Fox affiliate and others involved that he wasn’t going to participate. (I think that’s rather rude.)
Clearly the three debates did not go well for Joe – or he’d be the first one up on the stage.
And it was a much better debate for his absence.
Good night.
I know. I’m just tired and pissed off. Just like we were all pissed off in 2004 that the American people were stupid enough to re-elect Commander Codpiece.
People are holding on to the memory of the decent CT Democrat Joe once was and can’t see him for the smarmy, corrupt neocon he now is.
I have great admiration and respect for Senator Dodd, Wesley Clark, Paul Newman, John Edwards, John Kerry, Joe Wilson and others who have risked Joey’s rath by publically supporting Ned.
AEI hearts neo-con Joe.
What a total pud.
-GSD
Looks like curtains for Bushco.
The ultimate poltical weathervane is going with the Blue Tsunami.
From Six Months Friedmans’ latest:
“Let Karl know that you think this is a critical election, because you know as a citizen that if the Bush team can behave with the level of deadly incompetence it has exhibited in Iraq — and then get away with it by holding on to the House and the Senate — it means our country has become a banana republic. It means our democracy is in tatters because it is so gerrymandered, so polluted by money, and so divided by professional political hacks that we can no longer hold the ruling party to account.”
-GSD
dab from CT – you’re fighting the good fight. so thanks for doing that. major props from 3000 miles away.
~punaise
dab from CT @
141
Incumbents have nothing to gain from debating. Their only question is whether they has more to lose by declining (or, in Joe’s case, reneging).
wigwam – I hope it damaged him because the difference in tone and result between this fourth debate with just Ned & Alan vs. the other three when Joe was involved, is stunning.
if Joe sold his home in Westville last summer, is he still maintaining a residence in CT?
Patrick 4/4 >”…Kinda the inverse of the old “Don’t worry man. The world’s smartest person just jumped out of the plane with my backpack” joke.”
Loved that one
Of course, having several hundred freefalls myself might have something to do with that
“Our ignorance is not so vast as our failure to use what we know.” – M. King Hubbert
I know the story about all the fish being gone by 2048 is deadly, absolutely serious, but the lead scientist/author’s name is Boris Worm.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00913.html
TeddySanFran @ 150
he’s got me hooked….
I am peeing myself I am laughing so hard.
Remember this?
http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/002447.html
It has now wrought this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..nted=print
John Kerry may not be able to tell a joke, but Our Heavenly Creator sure can.
rwcole @ 97
LOL
I have to keep the channel turned to that station just for a few minutes after Olbermann, to see if Scarborough is doing wingnut stuff or not.
TeddySanFran @
150
He’ll be the first to know when the situation turns.
TeddySanFran @
150
Of course, it could be just another bait-and-switch.
This release of nuke-u-lar, chemical and biological secrets (Jane’s 152) really makes the case that the goddam grownups are NOT in charge. Seriously, what were they thinking, putting all that crap on the internets because the Intel agencies were sifting through it too slowly and “had an agenda.”
This needs very wide distribution, stat.
Oh, I hope Matt O. hears about this: Stuart Bowen got a pink slip. He’s the Special Inspector General for Iraqi Reconstruction. Apparently, the GOP put terminated his position 10/07, inserting the language but not telling anyone. Thanks, Duncan Hunter!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..r=homepage
Remember heroic ‘Maura [Keaney] in VA in CT’ from the primary?
Well, she’s working around the clock for Ned Lamont now in the 4th Congressional District, and she’s posted an important diary at DailyKos about a Saturday canvass in Stamford:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/3/01753/1079
If you’re a DailyKos member, please give her diary a recommend to get it on the Recommended List for the morning readers. There’s great information there about a Knock & Rock canvass with the Irish-American band Black 47 on Saturday.
We all owe Maura that and a whole lot more for her outstanding efforts on behalf of Ned Lamont. Thanks!
pow wow @ 158
done!
Jane Hamsher @ 152
But does the site have a link to the location of Rummy’s house? That would be bad.
Jane Hamsher >”…John Kerry may not be able to tell a joke, but Our Heavenly Creator sure can.”
da Karma Hunters are active !
Love it…
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.” – Buckminster Fuller
digby, on the bloguments
Jane Hamsher @ 152
What kind of opposition does Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) have? Could he get nuked by this development?
They ALL need to be nuked by this development. It is the end of their vaunted “national security moms” strategy. They can’t be trusted to keep the most important secrets off the internets and out of the hands of terrorists.
They’ve Katrina’d the atom bomb.
accompanying image posted by attaturk: Guernica
Here is a larger image of Guernica:
http://homepage.mac.com/dmhart…..State5.JPG
TeddySanFran @ 157,
I just read that. Shocking that they’d fire someone who was actually effective in his job, isn’t it?
Oh wait…
Patrick 4/4 @
61
Do us all a favor and set them on fire when you see them at christmas. I’m sure their god will be thrilled to see them.
TeddySanFran @
164
Oh Teddy yer a poet.
smiley @ 168
They’re actually genuinely good and kind people. There are just many topics that must be avoided.
Like Francisco Franco.
darkblack @ 123
707!
ugh. I last watched MTV twenty five years ago.
I am reminded of a piece on NPR a year or so back. They pointed out how the drop in music education led to generations of youngsters resorting to remixing old records since they did not know how to play an instrument or read music.
I guess we progressives need to buy a scroll for our long wish list of changes in education alone.
TeddySanFran >”…Thanks, Duncan Hunter!”
Indeed
I think this quote explains a lot :
What an ego !
More work for the Karma Hunters I guess
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” – Mark Twain
So if a blogger, or just an ordinary Internet user, went to that site and downloaded some documents, and they happened to contain secrets about building atomic bombs, can the government now break into their house and seize them as an enemy combatant and render them to a secret prison to be tortured, and held indefinitely, for years, without notifying their family or allowing them to consult an attorney?
Given the laws that have been enacted during the Bush administration, I don’t see any reason why not.
The dedicated Wikipedia folks are demons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Hoekstra
That district is on the southern Lake Michigan shore, includes Muskegon and Holland. I have a feeling its extremely red, which is how a repeat chucklehead offender like Hoekstra keeps getting elected I guess.
Jane Hamsher @ 169
*blushing*
neurophius >”So if a blogger, or…I don’t see any reason why not.”
Anyone that thinks those web pages are no longer “available” to interested parties has really NOT been paying attention to the way things are done on the net.
Not sayin anymore but those that are net savvy can fill in the rest for themselves.
What a batch of treasonist behavior these thugs have run on “We the people…”
Disgust doesn`t even come close…
“…playin with matches in a pool of gasoline…” – Swamp Mama Johnson
“Disgust doesn`t even come close”
Outrage?
Fury?
Revulsion?
Words fail.
I wish a reporter would ask if this is how N. Korea acquired the last bits of knowledge needed so they could test a nuke this year.
neurophius >”…Words fail.”
Indeed they do & I am good with words
“All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door.” – John Kenneth Galbraith
Eureka Springs
“I wish a reporter would ask if this is how N. Korea acquired the last bits of knowledge needed so they could test a nuke this year.”
I wish the media would just give this story half of the play over the next 3 days that they gave to John Kerry’s garbled joke over the past 3 days.
Republicans making the country safer, my ass.
neurophius – a-friggin’-men
Hello. I am here to remind everyone to never forget, to never forget that the Southern Strategy is still operative.
Never forget.
OMG.
When I’ve promoted my new “Goper’s Lament” video, I used my own blog as a link so that I could check out the results of my own shameless self promotion. So far since Friday, about 580 people have viewed the video through my blog.
Yet as of Midnight, the video has had 7,689 downloads, so apparently this thing has legs of it’s own.
w00talujia!
The angry left wing of the Democratic Party, which was unable to gain support for Iraq war opponent Ned Lamont against the hawkish Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut primary, no longer has much of a say in party politics. Instead, the party is pinning its hopes of winning in key election districts on the so-called Macho Democrats: dozens of war veterans who are immune against being called soft on national security — a political death sentence in the United States.
http://www.spiegel.de/internat…..35,00.html
In other words, this guy called you WIMPS! Oh, I know its late and probably OT, but are you going to take this crap lying down.
Are Republicans honestly voting for Lieberman? So what! A CT Democrat with true independent thought knows Lamont is for a change!
GSD: that is astounding about New Hampshire!
Subway Serenade @ 183
The video is boring. More important, however, is Delores Brewer, who we must defeat.
Tell me what you think of her commercial. It is too important to ignore.
Louisiana Girl, your intentions may be good, but your etiquette leaves something to be desired.
Louisiana Girl @ 191
Louisiana Girl @ 186
I see nothing whatsoever in Subway’s comment dismissive of anyone. (save for Sub’s self-mockery “shameless self promotion”).
As this is not an art crticism blog, but a community, your dismissive assement of another’s work meets my tests for gratuitous and hurtful.
Your goals do not alter the tone or impact of your gratutious remark.
punaise @ 187
Nothing I said was offensive. And yes, I am sincere. Perhaps you should elaborate.
Louisiana Girl @ 189
well, for starters, you were rather dismissive of someone’s heartfelt work. someone who, I believe, is just back after a major health problem (granted, you may not have known that). not rude, but dismissive. and then you’ve been flogging the same theme night after night for what, a week now? we get it: there are outrages everywhere. that’s all I have to say.
punaise @ 190
No, I did not know anything about the video, its author, or its author’s health status. And his comment, I believe, was very dismissive, and it warranted a response. Nothing I said was inappropriate or abusive, and I am certainly not here to engage in territory marking or other flame wars. Instead, I want to alert everyone of the Louisiana GOP and its deplorable tactics. For we need to carry Louisiana if we ever want to win the Presidency. In the wake of Katrina and Rita, we cannot ignore Louisiana. We must support her, and we must remind Louisiana Democrats that they are Democrats. If we choose to ignore Louisiana, we will never thwart the GOP’s growth.
Of course the video is boring. Perhaps you’re not getting my point. I was worried that I’d be sidelined due to my recovery. It’s about individuals making a difference and the Law of Divine Accidents.
I craft my parodies carefully. Getting the word structures into people’s minds is my goal. Then I field test them for effectiveness in a fast paced performance enviroment.
I set a goal of placing this particular word structure parody (in it’s audio version) into the minds of 100,000 people. For me this video is an amazing leap for my effort.
Frankly I enjoy reading what individuals are doing to take their country back. I’ve been here most of the year and folks have written about their petition drives, neighborhood walks and local organizing. The individual stories are what makes this movement, and each day I come here to see the progress these many individuals are making.
Isn’t 7,000 people seeing the video the same as if I’d knocked on 7,000 doors?
Sorry if I’ve offended anyone here, but I enjoy my work, and I enjoy making a difference in the way that I can.
Louisiana Girl-
By Democrats, do you mean those who voted for Mary Landreau? Just asking.
Thanks Sub.
Punaise—I just gotta say, your serious side is just as attractive as your humorous one. Of course, I mean that in a Steve Audio kind of way.
So is the problem with the video that Ms. Brewer is sort of associating her opponent with her rapist? Or just using her rape as a ploy to solicit sympathy from the voter? Not knowing the background, it’s a little hard to evaluate.
My impression was that Subway’s posting of his comment was not done in reference to Louisiana Girl’s comment, he just happened to post it shortly after she posted hers. I don’t see how his comment was “dismissive” of hers. Her comment that the video was boring did appear somewhat unwarranted.
But I could be wrong.
Bedtime. Good night, all.
Louisiana Girl @ 191
Louisiana Girl @
186
Subway’s post contains gentle self mockery; I see nothing dismissive of you or even referring to you.
As this is not an art criticism blog, your choice to make a gratutitous dismissive jibe at a community member’s creative work seems rude and thoughtless.
Your political objective does not alter the tone or consequences of your comment.
Subway S – I tried to find your GL and could only get as far as the huffpo front page. If you could give me a direct link I will check it out in the morning.
Time to throw a few round logs on the fire and call the cat in from his big hunt.
g’nite all
Subway, most of all – thanks for your work!
‘member kiddies, full moon Sunday morning…don’t get your knickers in a twist…
Oh Jeebus No,
I wouldn’t dismiss the comments of anyone here. I hate when I jump into someone’s line of thought. Sorry. I was merely announcing good news as I recieved it, before I went to the top of the thread to read the posts.
nearly 4am
so much to do…
Eureka Springs, AR @ 198
http://teocawki.blogspot.com
newtonusr @ 193
Yes, I do. And I know everyone here will attack me if I state my support for Landrieu. If the demographics of Louisiana were different, Landrieu would be different. But the Louisiana Democratic Party and the National Party have not made efforts to educate voters in Louisiana, and the GOP has filled that void. This must change, as the state is in terrible economic straits. The population shift in Orleans Parish also forces Landrieu to modify her position and appear moderate. And yes, her lack of a fundraising base will force her to campaign with idiots such as Lieberman in order to ensure she has money in 2008. I am, of course, not please with this.
But regarding Mary, we have to consider the following:
David Vitter won in 2004 in the primary with 51%. This is clearly threatening to Landrieu, as she can barely clear a runoff. If Chris John were elected, she could move more to the left, as she did when Breaux was the other Senator. But she stands alone, and Vitter constantly attacks her in the Louisiana media.
Bobby Jindal, a Republican US House Representative, constantly offers legislation to counter Landrieu’s legislation, the latest installment of which is his offshore drilling legislation, which allows companies to drill anywhere they wish. Because Jindal wants to claim victory on securing revenue for Louisiana, the GOP controlled Senate and House stalled Landrieu’s bill in conference with the hope of adopting Jindal’s bill instead. Jindal wants to run for Governor in 2007 or Senate in 2008. Again, this puts Landrieu in a terrible position.
Kathleen Babineaux Blanco’s reputation in the wake of the shameless smear of her reputation by Karl Rove after Katrina has not helped Landrieu and other Louisiana Democrats. And yes, I am convinced Blanco did everything within her power. But the GOP had to blame her and not Bush for the disaster that was Katrina. Blanco is slowly recovering, but her low approval ratings are still weighing down the rest of the party. Nagin does not help in this respect, as he smeared the Landrieu family in order to win reelection. Nagin’s cynicism and lack of party loyalty has also hurt Landrieu.
Jefferson’s immanent departure may help Landrieu, but we must await the results of the 7 NOV primary.
We also cannot ignore demographic shifts in the state since the hurricanes, and we cannot ignore the DNC’s lack of investment in the state. It also does not help that the DCCC chose not to wage serious challenges against McCrery, Alexander, Boustany, Jindal and Baker. National Democrats have created a void in Louisiana, and the GOP has filled this void.
I cannot fault Mary for her centrist position, as she has had to endure an outright colonization of the state by the GOP since her election in 1996. She managed to survive in 2002, and she will have a tough race in 2008. The state has changed since the Clinton years, and the national party has left us to the dogs. This is why I want everyone to focus on Louisiana again, for we are not a lost cause. In fact, we are closer to Arkansas than we are to Mississippi politically. We just need the investment. And if we shift left, Mary shifts left. Although she is a bit too calculating, I understand her politics. And for that I will not fault her.
kirk murphy @ 197
I disagree with your interpretation of my utterance.
ooops – hairballs ‘r us -
time to clean up (just my floor….)
g’nite pups…
Louisiana Girl: reposting this in the daylight hours may be a good idea to get more attention…this is a very different look at Louisiana for me…
….late night posters tend to be overtired and not as prone to serious discussion as, say, late afternoon…
One more thought, please.
Lieberman sold out on social security. That is obvious. Landrieu, on the other hand, held townhalls in Louisiana, where she eviscerated Bush’s plan, vowing to never change social security. This took some courage, especially as Bush was in Shreveport touting his plan. When Bush was in Shreveport, Landrieu was in Baton Rouge tearing his 2005 budget and his privitization plan apart.
I will be honest: Landrieu is a closet progressive, and Louisiana Democrats know it. But she will not abandon the seat to a Republican, for she is too proud. She knows she votes for Democratic leadership, and she knows this above else is what is more important. Notice how she did vote No on Alito. And notice she is the first to defend African-Americans. She may modify her political image, but her commitments are strong. Yes, it pains me to see her cast certain votes, even if they are symbolic votes cast well after it is clear that Democrats have a filibuster. But she knows where she stands, and she knows the Party is more important than anything else. That she campaigned with Lieberman does not surprise me, for she would not have done it if he were to caucus with Republicans. And believe me, Lieberman does not want to cross Landrieu, for she will do everything within her power to ensure he does not have a political future. She does play hardball. But I am still upset nonetheless, although I understand she needs the money he tapped into after Katrina decimated her donor base in Orleans Parish.
waving to spiderpaws before turning in.
night all
..well let’s hope that no one misses all this very interesting information because of the late hour you posted it, louisiana girl…
Suzanne…have you been lurking? Waving back…
“Joe had been scolding Democrats for a long time — that really increased after 2004,” Mr. Curry said. “He continued to amp up his support for the very issues that were dividing him from his party. And the president, whose popularity he was in part gambling on, began to lose popularity.”
In the process, the affable Senator Lieberman, who speaks out constantly against polarization, has become a most polarizing figure himself — a target of blogger vitriol, “Turncoat Joe,” greeted with skepticism even in some senior centers in his state. Some say that under the pressure of Mr. Lamont’s challenge — as in debates with Mr. Dean in the 2004 race — Senator Lieberman has lost what Mr. McEnroe called his “almost-impossible-to-interrupt composure.”
NYT-Lieberman
Haggard is fessing up some
Haggard
a while back we were talking about papers that the republican idiots without a military clue forced the cia to post in public
the cia had put up a disclaimer, telling everyone there was no smoking gun, it was filled with propaganda and information from before the weapons programs were eliminated
the president and vice president forced those papers posted in the hopes people wouldn’t know they were forgeries and propaganda
well, in those papers, posted publically for the world to see, in Saddams original weapons programs, are instructions to building a nuclear bomb
from the new york times
can’t edit, trying to close my quote tag
test
Happy Friday, folks — go Ned and TRex!
I closed my tag but could someone go into my post and close the blcokquote right before I wrote “THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS TO SECURE THIS NATION FROM REPUBLOICAN MORONS”
‘preciate it
Nice Chris Bell reference, T Rex.
I’m hittin’ the road, gang. Don’t forget to tune into Rachael Maddow this evening!
CT here we come!
me to me, I sometimes have that same problem. Like most basic programming, it’s usually due to one groaningly-little misplaced character sign. Don’t worry, though — I’m pretty sure we got your point. *g*
Anyone know how Dennis Hastert is really doing? I used to live near his district and I can’t believe he is still 10 points ahead Illinois politics is very cynical we always assume dem or gop is guilty. Gov Ryan now facing prison blew the last of our presumtion of innonce with his lies about not knowing about the drivers licesense scandal that got a family killed. We assume that dems and gop split the take and work together the infamous “Combine”.In that enviroment we might look the other way at coruption, but seriously NOT KIDS! The idea Dennis did not know is impossible to think of greedy and stupid yes, but power hungry people always know whats going on and Illinois politicians are power hungry not knowing whats going on will get you made a patsy really quick in Illinois.Anyway if anyone should go down this election Dennis deserves too!
I’m originally from Villa Park, you?
tuneforg @ 221
me to me WHAT THE HELL!
ATOM BOMB PLANS ON THE NET!
PUT THERE BY OUR GOVERNMENT, REALLY OUR GOVERNMENT DID THIS!If this isn’t Treason what is! What does it take to get fired in the bush administration?
Raven born in Oak Park land of broad lawns and narrow minds as Hemmingway said Raised in Crystal Lake. Still recovering
Are we feeling bold this morning? [bold off]
egregious @ 225
Evidently so — must be that our Dem efforts of late are even filtering down to the FDL code!
Mornin’.
close tags.
The bomb plans aren’t that big of a deal, it’s not like an atom bomb is really that complicated of a device. Any country sophisticated enough to build a fuel processing plant should have the resources to figure it out on their own.
But it is revealing that the Bush administration will reveal secret information for political reasons. Anyone who trusts them to do wiretaps without court supervision is an idiot. There’s just no way they won’t misuse that information.
pioneer111 @ 46
CT is being infiltrated by big, red, national republican, money! It’s in support for their guy, Lieberman. It’s their parting shot — flipping the bird at in-state democrats. The republican money is going to Joe; Schlesinger is left an orphan by his own party. Yet democrats-in-the-know, know that a vote for Joe, is a vote for the status quo! I think CT is a true blue state divided by that ego maniac Lieberman. We need to nationally prove again that we’re blue. CT DEMOCRATS – VOTE NED LAMONT. Listen to Paul Newman!
Eeep! I’m trying to turn off the bolding!
NYDN:
http://tinyurl.com/ykesop
If Joe wins, GOP
may open its arms
Republicans peeling off checks for Joe Lieberman at Mayor Bloomberg’s house Wednesday night were abuzz with the possibility that the Connecticut senator will join their party if reelected Tuesday.
Lieberman, a three-term incumbent who is running as an independent after losing the Democratic primary to anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, has found a friend in Bloomberg and other Republican heavy hitters who packed the fete.
It raised $1 million from the likes of David Boies, Ambassador John Loeb, Sears heiress Nina Rosenwald, fund-raiser Jim Kaufman, former Goldman Sachs chairman John Whitehead, Roy Goodman, a vociferous Al D’Amato, lawyer Ed Cox (son-in-law of Richard Nixon) – and even Democrat Ed Koch.
“His Democratic buddies [Sens.] Chris Dodd and Ted Kennedy screwed him,” a Republican guest told us. “People are hoping he’ll switch parties. He votes with the Republicans a lot. He’s one of the last few statesmen.”
One Democrat observed, “It could happen. The Republicans could offer him some big carrots, like chairmanship of the Budget Committee. I think he’s up for grabs.” President Bush praised Lieberman for his pro-Iraq War stance earlier this week.
Lamont, a technology millionaire, recently has gained 5 points in the polls on Lieberman, the 2000 Democratic candidate for vice president, but still trails by 12 points, according to a Quinnipiac University survey released yesterday. To turn up the heat, Lamont has brought in former Rudy Giuliani media adviser Ken Frydman along with Bill Clinton, Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and Gen. Wesley Clark. In addition, John Edwards and actor Tim Robbins have been stumping for him.
Lieberman’s press rep did not respond by deadline, but Lamont spokesman Edward Vale told us: “It seems Joe Lieberman has problems with Connecticut millionaires, but a soft spot in his heart for New York billionaires who want to impose commuter taxes on the people of Connecticut. If voters want to continue the failed Republican policies in Iraq and the failed Republican health policies, they have a candidate in Joe Lieberman. But if they want to make a clear choice for change, they have Ned Lamont.”
FDL is emboldening the terrists!
Mark B. in Austin TX @ 228
from the article;
ys, any country could, now any terrorist could also
Cool, went up to Crystal Lake and helped out after the tornado in. . .66?
tuneforg @ 224
Tom Friedman in the NYT this am doesn’t think people are stupid enough to vote rpub.
Mark B. in Austin TX @
228
I somewhat agree with Mark B., certainly any nation that can process the materials can figure out the rest of the details. But why make the job easier? Depending on what was in there (I don’t know) the information could possibly have saved some nation’s fledgling nuclear program millions of dollars and many months.
From MSNBC’s report when the website was first set up, quoting the man who is in charge of the House “Intelligence” Committee:
Maybe Pete, you should listen to them next time.
raven @ 235
Once again, he misunderestimates the ease by which voters will act against their own interests.
Sorry, just wanted to add: I haven’t seen the op-ed, since I don’t have access behind the firewall. If anyone has a link… ?
FishGuyDave @ 237
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11…..ref=slogin
FishGuyDave @ 237
this is about evoting, not voting against their own interests, it’s obvious the democrats will regain the majorities, however the e results are the real worry
me to me @ 239
Gotcha. BTW, the link above is to the NYT article on the on-line archives with the bomb details, not the Friedman op-ed itself — no worries.
Balrog, I lost my family for being opposed to megachurches and republicans in their current incarnation. It’s sad,but in the end,it’s probably best,even if I am giving up being in my parents’ will,not a huge inheritance,but nothing to sneeze at either. It means more to me to keep my son away from that brand of hatred than money ever could.
I have a feeling there’s been more families and friendships torn apart in today’s religious/political climate than many people realize. Hang in there.
Raven the tornado that took apart the shopping mall or so I heard their were lots of crazy rumors years later about that storm. The place has changed alot since then but they did elect a DEM finnaly.
I recall that there was an FDL meetup Saturday in, what, New Haven? Any others? I’m trying to sneak into CT for a little campaigning this weekend. It would be fun to see some faces.
Does anyone else have “Got petty cash?” or “Joe buys votes” stamped on all their dollar bills? Or is it just me?
Louisiana Girl,
I’m in wonderful, progressive Shreepoat. When the Alito nomination came up, I called Landrieu’s office and politely suggested that she support a filibuster. A few of weeks later, I got a letter explaining that she had voted against Alito because she’s such a strong supporter of the Bill of Rights. That is a lie, because she voted FOR Alito on cluture, the only vote that mattered. And it’s a lie that insults my intelligence by assuming I’m a moron who didn’t follow the proceedings.
I can understand her whoring out her vote for goodies concerning Katrina recovery. But I can’t see any advantage in telling an insultingly transparent lie, so I plan to give money and time to whoever her opponents are next time. And I can’t remember ever voting for a Republican.
David Duke would at least be more honest than Landrieu, and no more of a threat to the Bill of Rights.
me to me @ 233
ys, any country could, now any terrorist could also
Again, I haven’t seen the documents myself. I’m personally more concerned about short-cutting other nation’s programs than the terrorist angle. For a nation trying to start a nuclear program, there’s no question these papers would be worth their weight in gold, very literally, encompassing probably thousands of man-months of highly-trained researchers’ time.
The triggering and explosives for a plutonium device, I personally believe, are way beyond what any terrorist group could do even if they had blueprints, parts numbers, and money. Uranium is a different story; U-weapon information probably would be useful to a terrorist group that had managed to acquire weapons-grade material. Iraq’s program was for plutonium so imagine that’s what was in there.
But (a) maybe it’s easier than I think, (b) maybe Iraq researched uranium weapons as well, (c)why make life easier and (d) why take chances?
TRex, did I see you last night at the restaurant? I honestly don’t recall; I was so busy with the video and the Kiss float (which Spazeboy and I will be driving around today) that I don’t remember seeing you!
After three hours sitting in the Kiss float outside a Mexican restaurant, I was starving! Thank god Caffeinated Geek Girl brought me a plate of food! It was getting lonely out there while everyone was inside watching the debate. And *xyz came through and allowed me a break to get some video.
Video up on my blog of Ned arriving and speaking at “Aunt Chilada’s”. It was really great to see people referring to Ned as “Senator Lamont”!
Don’t know if this was linked before:
Church Leader Says Haggard Admits To Some Indiscretions
-via ThinkProgress.org
The Rosenbergs were executed for passing atom bomb plans to the Russians I think putting atom bomb plans on the net is Criminal and Stupid there are a lot of crazy people out their with money like Osama who can afford to buy uranium but are still working on plans for a bomb. I might think bush is a moron and that we should get out of Iraq, but I don’t think its a good idea to leave sharp objects next to crazy people.
The more I think about it, the more the only honorable option for Hoekstra is to resign.
The program he argued for resulted in the release of the most sensitively classified information there is.
If you’re chair of the Intelligence Committee, I don’t see how you look the other members in the eye after that.
CNN, again today, giving the GOP all the air time they need and letting their talking points go basically unchallenged.
Turns out this latest survey in Britain is even more true this morning as we find out that Bush and his republicon congresscritters made nuclear bomb plans available to all. Everything they have done was for their political power… and I pray we throw them out on Tuesday and start the process of impeaching these dangerous thugs.
Professor Foland @ 249
I’m with Prof on this. So, let’s get this straight. We put all this info on the web. It’s all in Arabic. We expect that the people to figure out what’s in there will be:
A) Yeoman wingnut nuclear physicists who will sift through it all using BabelFish and find the elusive evidence of WMD [related programs].
B) Damned liberal academics in their ivory towers, who at least are fellow countrymen that when faced with the outcome of their own research, will be forced to admit the error of their ways
C) Farsi speaking Iranian intelligence and weapons experts who are pretty familiar with Arabic, having fought Iraqis for the past 25 years, and studied the Koran since birth.
D) The feared Arab street that may or may not have internet access or a rudimentary understanding of WMD [related programs].
E) Al Qaeda, which apparently knows a thing or two about The Internets and hopefully less about WMD.
F) Syrian intelligence and weapons experts for whom neither Arabic nor nuclear physics are foreign languages.
Hey wow, these aren’t even mutually exclusive!
Pat Roberts needs to resign too!
I cannot believe this.
Republicans tough on national security?
Not so much.
Josh Marshall with some nice perspective on the Haggard thing:
I’m guessing that to most readers Ted Haggard is barely known. But this is the conservative equivalent of Jesse Jackson getting caught wearing a hood at a Klan cross burning. The political implications are enormous.
twolf1 @
250
I really don’t get this. I always talk about the vital business need in the electronic media for ratings to keep advertising rates up, so they will always trump up a contest to be breathlessly excited about. And we know that the producers will dumb-down the content and context of a story out of fear of losing any of our, um, less-educated viewing citizens. But I’ve always backed off the idea that the electronic media is actually slanting the coverage to serve their corporate masters.
Well, maybe not. Maybe there really is a clear agenda to parrot the Party Line? (Innocence drops from my eyes at my ripe old age, huh?)
good morning, all…a big hooray for those in CT!
coffee is good…
‘Morning all. Redd must be cooking up something good. Coffee is good this morning. And the fundies are in meltdown. What could be better? Ned up over Lyingman? That would make my year. Go team!
Did the WH gay posse lead Ted Haggart into temptation?
And more sobeing, just caught a flash of report on MSNBC re neocon’s posting of sensitive info on a website including bombmaking instructions. Negroponte begged them not to do it…Bush overruled him.
Mitchell called it the gang that couldn’t shoot straight…
and Norbot just asked Huckleberry Graham – “isn’t this a disaster ?”
CNN “U.S. yanks Web site with reported nuclear secrets”. That ain’t all these schmucks are yankin!
Reading through the bomb-plans-on-the-net thread. Unbelievable! These guys are just overwhelmingly incompetent, aren’t they?? Tell me this isn’t some kind of horrible combination of blatant stupidity and evil intent. Please.
And this morning has such a beautiful central coast sunrise, with wispy redish clouds in a perfect blue background, temp in the 60’s, red-tail screaming out the good morning call…time for a run.
Good morning FDL’ers…forgive me if this is old news, cuz I haven’t read through the thread yet – but have you all seen the new Paul Newman ad for Ned Lamont that’s up on Huffington Post:
Paul Newman For Lamont
Be still my heart. Who is orchestrating these GOP disaster revelarions? Do we have our own Dr. K pulling the levers behind the curtains?
somehow, the repugs are going to try to turn their error in publishing the bomb plans into it being the NY Times fault… just watch..!
Lieberman was on Imus this morning. He started off with a minute of mocking Kerry (like he had his opening comments written beforehand), then he did his bipartisan spiel whereby he denounced the dirty side of politics that would make this gaffe news-worthy (which seemed a bit laughable since he had joined the fray). But, most importantly he said he would not forget those who did not support him and would not commit to caucusing with the Democrats. He even went further and said answering that question could cost him the election. Anyone have ti-vo for the exact quotes? Connecticut voters need to hear his comments.
OldCoastie @ 264
you funny, jayt!
I feel an EPU coming on, but here’s today’s endorsement of Ned from the Record-Journal newspaper. Enjoy!
That lieberman non-committal moment needs to be brought up fast and furious over the weekend to the good folks of CT who think Joe is their guy. We all know his true colors, but others aren’t seeing so much.
I feel an EPU coming on too, but can anyone familiar with campaigns tell me whether you deliberately hold a couple of spots open near the end of the campaign that could be filled with last-minute productions featuring quotes like Joementum’s on Imus?
kirby, over at CTBob is reporting that the Meriden Record Journal has endorsed Ned.
[tapping finger]
Good Morning Firedogs,
how do folks stay away so long ? have been working and GOTV past four days and I’m miserable homesick for “the Lake”
don’t know, but find myself trending from agnostic to believer*g*
Bush wants control of the UN Forces
http://www.theaustralian.news……96,00.html
Who could have imagined that Ted Haggard and our esteemed TeddySF would have had anything in common?
However, the differences remain overwhelming (the contrast between an ursine noble and an closeted muscle queen being just one of the many) …Oh, and honesty, of course.
Enjoy your season in Hell, Haggard.
Oh my gosh, cbl, it never occurred to me to think it is divinely inspired, but you may be right! *s*
Mornin all. searching for a big poll dump but not much so far.
Idaho gov- dem ahead (outlier poll but interesting)
Lieberman up 12.
NYT:
The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.
GWB wants to play with his nukular toys so bad that he’s giving out instructions so that he can later say – “well, they started it!”
jayt @ 278
In this instance, I don’t think so. My guess is that he was so desperate for someone, anyone, anywhere, to find a justification for his misbegotten war that he wasn’t even thinking, as usual, of unintended consequences. Remember, the man is driven to be right, and he’s always wrong. This is what fuck-ups do when they’re desperate to save face and reputation.
jayt @ 266
Nah, they’ll just say it’s proof! that Saddam really did have WMD! (From what I’ve heard, they’re already doing it.)
Christie, I hope you highlight the national security scandal that the Republican Congress has caused.
This “November Surprise” needs immediate response (including campaign ads this weekend) by Democratic Congressional and Senatorial candidates or independent groups.
Suggested Meme:
A Democratic Congress will provide checks-and-balances and protect national security much better than a one-party government.
But we also have to have our candidates asking tough questions to the news media in States that can be linked to this national security disaster. I will highlight them below.
I Googled the issue of posting of captured Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents on the web, found a 2003 article about it, and from there quickly found the website of the Foreign Military Studies Office (FMSO) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas (some of the news outlets of which are across the river from Missouri.
I even found the specific web page for the captured Iraqi documents. When clicking on it, I see that it has been taken down.
Because I don’t want a visit from George Bush’s detention-without-charges folks and a little recreational waterboarding, I am not posting the precise web link — and I suggest that nobody else do so either. In fact, it may be that anyone who clicks through to it will have IP address logged.
But there is much that we can make reference to. The FMSO is under the control of the “TRADOC Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence — Threats.” TRADOC means U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, and it turns out that it is in –
wait for this –
Virginia.
And of course the hole in our national security was drilled by various Republicans including Peter Hoekstra, the distinguished Congressman from Michigan.
It is good that the national security website hole been taken down. It is sad, however, that it takes the New York Times to uncover threats to the national security that Republicans have created.
But I have another national security concern, although the website has been taken down, namely the Google cache.
Yeah–With Clusterfuck, breathtaking incompetence is always the first most likely explanation.
Poll Dump here.
Goopers planning to make a political explosion out of the saddam verdict coming up. It will cure whatever ails ya. Don’t know if americans are gonna get so excited about it- we’ll see. This is, apparently, the november surprise.
Too stupid to figure out that any reminder of Iraq is a Bad Thing for the GOP.
hey, marksb – how are you doing?
OT: d r i f t g l a s s on Friedman. Drifty is the king of smackdown (no offense TRex).
:-)
Not sure when moderation of my long comment will occur, so am going to post this in parts. First part:
Christie, I hope you highlight the national security scandal that the Republican Congress has caused.
This “November Surprise” needs immediate response (including campaign ads this weekend) by Democratic Congressional and Senatorial candidates or independent groups.
Suggested Meme:
A Democratic Congress will provide checks-and-balances and protect national security much better than a one-party government.
But we also have to have our candidates asking tough questions to the news media in States that can be linked to this national security disaster. I will highlight them below.
I Googled the issue of posting of captured Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents on the web, found a 2003 article about it, and from there quickly found the website of the Foreign Military Studies Office (FMSO) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas (some of the news outlets of which are across the river from Missouri.
Redshift @
280
Politics can be so easy when you’re unburdened by any knowledge. These documents are from Saddam’s pre-1991 program, which was well-known (it’s the program the Israelis tried to destroy at Osirak in 1981).
Joe Lieberman, bought and paid for by the gang that couldn’t shoot straight. They give away bombmaking secrets on the web and shoot lawyers in the face.
And Joe’s stickin’ with ‘em.
And one of their major evangelical honchos Ted Haggart gets outed. Isn’t he the guy with the giant evangelical church right outside the Air Force Academy? All those buff young men… wonder how much “evangelizing” he was doing in the locker rooms….
And Joe’s stickin’ with ‘em.
Calling Barack. Wes Clark. Edwards. Your Democratic moment is now.
continuing…
I even found the specific web page for the captured Iraqi documents. When clicking on it, I see that it has been taken down.
Because I don’t want a visit from George Bush’s detention-without-charges folks and a little recreational waterboarding, I am not posting the precise web link — and I suggest that nobody else do so either. In fact, it may be that anyone who clicks through to it will have IP address logged.
But there is much that we can make reference to. The FMSO is under the control of the “TRADOC Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence — Threats.” TRADOC means U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, and it turns out that it is in –
wait for this –
Virginia.
And of course the hole in our national security was drilled by various Republicans including Peter Hoekstra, the distinguished Congressman from Michigan.
It is good that the national security website hole been taken down. It is sad, however, that it takes the New York Times to uncover threats to the national security that Republicans have created.
But I have another national security concern, although the website has been taken down, namely the Google cache.
well, everyone – have a great day – time to get moving here…
DemfromCT over at Kos discusses a “landscape poll” that shows how Iraq hurts the GOP and will continue to do so.
Goopers have fucked up political discourse to the point that you’ve gotta start screamin “treason” and wavin a noose to get anyone’s attention.
Schwarzenegger Calls For ‘Deadline’ For Withdrawal of Troops From Iraq
No surprise here:
No Foley ethics report before Election Day
new thread
twolf1 @ 294
that Ahnold is a hellava politician, isn’t he?
Dr. Bong @ 286
I would have added just one thing. Friedman must have smiled to himself at the keyboard when he wrote, “give war a chance.” Must have thought himself pretty fuckin’ clever….
And how did nuclear secrets get onto the Web?
George Bush ordered that they be placed there, according to an article in the right-wing Weekly Standard on March 13, 2006, written by Stephen F. Hayes, , titled Finally.
And he did so over the objections of John Negroponte, the Director of National Intelligence.
Last night, at a “Day of the Dead” get together here in El Paso, the conversation led to the Ct. senate race. A liberal Jewish friend reminded me that Lieberman had co-founded, with Cheney’s wife, the watchdog group they set up to out liberal professors in academia, whose presence Lieberman apparently called the “weak link” in the country’s defense.
Then my bud surprised me by stating that he wished “to hell that Lieberman and his evil wife would just remove themselves to Israel” – “because they are hurting my people”.
As one who has been told on God knows how many occasions to get out of the U.S. and “return” to Mexico, I was about to protest. But I just decided to keep my mouth shut.
.
Joe Lieberman is the FACE OF AIPAC.
When Lieberman lost in the primary to Lamont, it wasn’t 36 hours later that Rove launched the False – False Flag Terror Threat in London.
During the next 24 hour news cycle while the headlines falsely screamed:
“TERROR IN THE SKIES”
The media quietly released two Israel-related stories under the radar …
The first was that a US Submariner named Ariel Joseph Weinmann had been arrested 6 MONTHS EARLIER for Espionage on behalf of “a foreign country.”
12 hours later, the story broke that the Two AIPAC Officials charged with Espionage in the Franklin/AIPAC spy scandal were still going to face trial, despite their attorney’s best efforts to have the case thrown out.
These three matters, Lamont’s victory over AIPAC’s Lieberman, the revelation of yet another Israeli spy caught passing naval secrets to Israel, and the AIPAC Spy trial moving forward ALL hit the news at the same time – and were ALL quickly buried by a fully-complicity “news” media.
If you think these events are unrelated – in light of the subsequent admission that the entire scare was a hoax – you’ve already got the government you deserve.
Lieberman = AIPAC.
AIPAC = Espionage, Blackmail and Democracy Lost.
Lieberman ain’t debating because his internal polls show him as up, and appearing next to Schlesinger (who does surprisingly well and whose success will only help him) makes no sense. Boy do I hope that his internals are wrong on election day. (And boy am I disgusted with the D leadership who didn’t squash lieberman’s campaign the day after the primary).
If it’s 50/50, it’s a republican senate.
It ain’t easy being SloJoe:
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..6908.story