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	<title>Comments on: On Iraqi Orders, Bush Abandons American Soldier To Al-Sadr&#8217;s Militia</title>
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		<title>By: flatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>flatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This, to me, smells like a guy that couldn’t take the heat from his countrymen and decided to split. After all, if his wife is in Iraq, why would he need to go back to the US?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, to me, smells like a guy that couldn’t take the heat from his countrymen and decided to split. After all, if his wife is in Iraq, why would he need to go back to the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The betrayed Andrew Sullivan asks a very good question regarding the issue of abandonment of this American soldier. “Where are John McCain and Dick Cheney?” Well Andy, they’re out full steam ahead, criticizing another American soldier. So, let’s see, the Republican front runner for President in 2008, is now abandoning a prisoner of war and trashing a fellow war veteran. Not to mention continually doing nothing about the lies and injury done to family in the South Carolina primary in 2000. Gee John, your someone I want to vote for. NOT!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The betrayed Andrew Sullivan asks a very good question regarding the issue of abandonment of this American soldier. “Where are John McCain and Dick Cheney?” Well Andy, they’re out full steam ahead, criticizing another American soldier. So, let’s see, the Republican front runner for President in 2008, is now abandoning a prisoner of war and trashing a fellow war veteran. Not to mention continually doing nothing about the lies and injury done to family in the South Carolina primary in 2000. Gee John, your someone I want to vote for. NOT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mellifluous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mellifluous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-357987&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 25 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;christy - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;part of me hates to even bring these two issues up… but in a commitment to a search for truth, i have to ask… is there independent confirmation that there actually is a captured usa soldier in sadr city? some iraqis are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/01/1456220&quot;&gt;claiming that it was propaganda&lt;/a&gt; to justify the siege. i trust these sources as much as i do pentagon sources - which is not at all. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so i am left unsure of what is really happening here… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in case there is any doubt, of course i don’t think that a soldier should be abandoned.  that is wrong, wrong, wrong.  but, maybe so is a siege which interferes with the lives of 3 million people - including their ability to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2006/11/2-us-troops-killed-42-shiites.html&quot;&gt;get to the hospital&lt;/a&gt;.  i think there are many other ways to attempt to rescue which is more respectful of the lifes of 3 million iraqis and doesn’t depend on collective punishment.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This has concerned me from the get-go on this story. Why have we cordoned off a neighborhood of THREE MILLION(?) IRAQIS?! How many IRAQIS = 1 American soldier? This certainly appears to be collective punishment to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-357987"><em>selise @ 25 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>christy &#8211; </p>
<p>part of me hates to even bring these two issues up… but in a commitment to a search for truth, i have to ask… is there independent confirmation that there actually is a captured usa soldier in sadr city? some iraqis are <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/01/1456220">claiming that it was propaganda</a> to justify the siege. i trust these sources as much as i do pentagon sources &#8211; which is not at all. </p>
<p>so i am left unsure of what is really happening here… </p>
<p>in case there is any doubt, of course i don’t think that a soldier should be abandoned.  that is wrong, wrong, wrong.  but, maybe so is a siege which interferes with the lives of 3 million people &#8211; including their ability to <a href="http://www.juancole.com/2006/11/2-us-troops-killed-42-shiites.html">get to the hospital</a>.  i think there are many other ways to attempt to rescue which is more respectful of the lifes of 3 million iraqis and doesn’t depend on collective punishment.</p>
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<p>This has concerned me from the get-go on this story. Why have we cordoned off a neighborhood of THREE MILLION(?) IRAQIS?! How many IRAQIS = 1 American soldier? This certainly appears to be collective punishment to me.</p>
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		<title>By: bert</title>
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		<dc:creator>bert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn iraqis, huh?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suppose you swallow the story, aren’t you? It is because the iraqis said so…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Come on, the puppet gvt in Iraq is unable to go alone to the toilets, let alone deciding something in Bagdad or elsewhere! Without a US green light, they wouldn’t say anything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blame your gvt, your army or your country for what is done in Iraq today, and since march 2003. Don’t hide yourself and the crimes of the USA behind such a thin screen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn iraqis, huh?</p>
<p>I suppose you swallow the story, aren’t you? It is because the iraqis said so…</p>
<p>Come on, the puppet gvt in Iraq is unable to go alone to the toilets, let alone deciding something in Bagdad or elsewhere! Without a US green light, they wouldn’t say anything.</p>
<p>Blame your gvt, your army or your country for what is done in Iraq today, and since march 2003. Don’t hide yourself and the crimes of the USA behind such a thin screen.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The reason TV commercials on Thursday night cost so much is that they are really the last chance to get to your audience before the weekend.  The messages that are planted on Thursday are the ones that bounce around inside of people’s skulls all weekend.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what do we do:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   1.  Front page the story in exactly the frame you laid out.  Bush abondoned one of our boys behind enemy lines.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   2.  Raise the emotional level.  One of our boys is a hostage of Iraqi thugs RIGHT NOW.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is sitting in some hellhole while Bush plays dress-up as the commander in chief.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   3.  Highlight it on talk Radio.  Send The Al Franken Show an Email and ask them to lead the news with this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   4.  Use whatever media connections you have to ask to get this story highlighted.  From calling your local newspaper to calling in your best connection&lt;br /&gt;
—&lt;br /&gt;
send digg to a few friends.  It’s got a ways to go.  It’s not even in the top 20 yet.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notice though that they’ve changed the hook and headline of the story to Iraq Tells U.S. to Quit Checkpoints  Much better, much more forceful.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they changed it to “Iraq Tells U.S. to Quit Checkpoints. Soldier Still Captive.” it would be much more explosive yet still factual =You want to talk about disrespecting our troops. Well George Bush just ABANDONED one of OUR boys to the enemy.  That poor kid is sitting in an Iraqi hellhole right now with a hood over his head, while George push plays dress up as commander in chief.  Don’t give me this crap about John Kerry’s speech, get off your ass and go after them for abandoning this kidnapped hero to the enemy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/search?s=bush&quot;&gt;http://digg.com/search?s=bush&lt;/a&gt; stop soldier &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/1/93019/6178&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....93019/6178&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;=A more important topic: Bush abandoned a U.S. soldier behind enemy lines&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason TV commercials on Thursday night cost so much is that they are really the last chance to get to your audience before the weekend.  The messages that are planted on Thursday are the ones that bounce around inside of people’s skulls all weekend.  </p>
<p>So what do we do:</p>
<p>   1.  Front page the story in exactly the frame you laid out.  Bush abondoned one of our boys behind enemy lines.  </p>
<p>   2.  Raise the emotional level.  One of our boys is a hostage of Iraqi thugs RIGHT NOW.  </p>
<p>He is sitting in some hellhole while Bush plays dress-up as the commander in chief.  </p>
<p>   3.  Highlight it on talk Radio.  Send The Al Franken Show an Email and ask them to lead the news with this.</p>
<p>   4.  Use whatever media connections you have to ask to get this story highlighted.  From calling your local newspaper to calling in your best connection<br />
—<br />
send digg to a few friends.  It’s got a ways to go.  It’s not even in the top 20 yet.  </p>
<p>Notice though that they’ve changed the hook and headline of the story to Iraq Tells U.S. to Quit Checkpoints  Much better, much more forceful.</p>
<p>If they changed it to “Iraq Tells U.S. to Quit Checkpoints. Soldier Still Captive.” it would be much more explosive yet still factual =You want to talk about disrespecting our troops. Well George Bush just ABANDONED one of OUR boys to the enemy.  That poor kid is sitting in an Iraqi hellhole right now with a hood over his head, while George push plays dress up as commander in chief.  Don’t give me this crap about John Kerry’s speech, get off your ass and go after them for abandoning this kidnapped hero to the enemy.<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/search?s=bush">http://digg.com/search?s=bush</a> stop soldier </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/1/93019/6178">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo&#8230;..93019/6178</a></p>
<p>=A more important topic: Bush abandoned a U.S. soldier behind enemy lines</p>
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		<title>By: Cloudy Thinking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iraq War II &#8212; US Forces Now Take Orders From Iraq Prime Minister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cloudy Thinking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iraq War II &#8212; US Forces Now Take Orders From Iraq Prime Minister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 03:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Christy Hardin Smith writes at FireDogLake about how US forces have been ordered to end their search for a captured American soldier. Unbelievable. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Christy Hardin Smith writes at FireDogLake about how US forces have been ordered to end their search for a captured American soldier. Unbelievable. […]</p>
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		<title>By: HReading</title>
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		<dc:creator>HReading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Imran Ahmed:  All you’re doing is perpetuating a right-wing myth.  ALL POW’s from Vietnam were accounted for.  As for MIA’s, there are tens of thousands of MIA’s unaccounted for from WWII as well.  That happens in modern warfare.  The difference between the earlier war and Vietnam is that during the Vietnam war, the Nixon administration lumped the previously completely separate categories of POW, MIA, and KBNR (killed, body never recovered) into one category, POW/MIA, and made political hay out of it.  Now, we have people who see that black flag flying (mainly an excuse by our government for not paying agreed-upon reparations to Vietnam) and believe that Vietnam still holds prisoners.  Wake up, folks.  It just aint so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imran Ahmed:  All you’re doing is perpetuating a right-wing myth.  ALL POW’s from Vietnam were accounted for.  As for MIA’s, there are tens of thousands of MIA’s unaccounted for from WWII as well.  That happens in modern warfare.  The difference between the earlier war and Vietnam is that during the Vietnam war, the Nixon administration lumped the previously completely separate categories of POW, MIA, and KBNR (killed, body never recovered) into one category, POW/MIA, and made political hay out of it.  Now, we have people who see that black flag flying (mainly an excuse by our government for not paying agreed-upon reparations to Vietnam) and believe that Vietnam still holds prisoners.  Wake up, folks.  It just aint so.</p>
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		<title>By: Wess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although I do agree with the above article that the Army should continue to look for one of it’s own soldiers, I do not agree with this bit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You read me correctly, the US envoy in Iraq has decided that our US military personnel should take orders from the Iraqi government and abandon one of our soldiers to the Mahdi Army.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether America likes it or not, the Iraqi Government (albeit a puppet or not) is still the Government in Iraq &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; and the Smirking Chimp has no right to tell it what to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This may be a puppet government in Iraq but it is still the Government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America should never have gone over there in the first place, let alone with such absolute arrogance and such incredible ignorance that it defies all belief (how on Earth could the White House Administration honestly believe they would be greeted as “Liberators”???)&lt;br /&gt;
 I don’t think America realises just how disliked it is across the globe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; America defies International law in many, many areas, it has become such a real danger to world peace that I honestly believe that if there is a 3rd world war it will have little to do with Terrorists but more to do with the US bullying and sticking it’s nose in other Sovereign Nations affairs that the rest of the world will finally say “enough is enough”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I get continually frustrated at America’s “mindset” of “we can do whatever we want, where ever we want because we’re Americans”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If anyone here reads the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/&quot;&gt;The Bag Notes&lt;/a&gt; they will see how an American living in Spain sees the States from the outside. I think he got a bit of a culture shock when he realised how the US is portrayed across the globe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I realise that FDL and it’s readers are good people and are certainly doing a good job in trying to bring change, but Americans have to realise that they are just another country and that there are many many more out there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote this before I read the comments and post 175 by HReading, it say’s what I was also thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; But, what the hell, I’ll press the “Submit” button anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
Keep up the good fight people. But please remember that the US is not the centre of the Universe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do agree with the above article that the Army should continue to look for one of it’s own soldiers, I do not agree with this bit
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<blockquote><p>You read me correctly, the US envoy in Iraq has decided that our US military personnel should take orders from the Iraqi government and abandon one of our soldiers to the Mahdi Army.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether America likes it or not, the Iraqi Government (albeit a puppet or not) is still the Government in Iraq <b>NOT</b> and the Smirking Chimp has no right to tell it what to do.</p>
<p>This may be a puppet government in Iraq but it is still the Government.</p>
<p>America should never have gone over there in the first place, let alone with such absolute arrogance and such incredible ignorance that it defies all belief (how on Earth could the White House Administration honestly believe they would be greeted as “Liberators”???)<br />
 I don’t think America realises just how disliked it is across the globe.</p>
<p> America defies International law in many, many areas, it has become such a real danger to world peace that I honestly believe that if there is a 3rd world war it will have little to do with Terrorists but more to do with the US bullying and sticking it’s nose in other Sovereign Nations affairs that the rest of the world will finally say “enough is enough”.</p>
<p> I get continually frustrated at America’s “mindset” of “we can do whatever we want, where ever we want because we’re Americans”. </p>
<p>If anyone here reads the <a href="http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/">The Bag Notes</a> they will see how an American living in Spain sees the States from the outside. I think he got a bit of a culture shock when he realised how the US is portrayed across the globe.</p>
<p>I realise that FDL and it’s readers are good people and are certainly doing a good job in trying to bring change, but Americans have to realise that they are just another country and that there are many many more out there. </p>
<p>I wrote this before I read the comments and post 175 by HReading, it say’s what I was also thinking.</p>
<p> But, what the hell, I’ll press the “Submit” button anyway.<br />
Keep up the good fight people. But please remember that the US is not the centre of the Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imran Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love the we don’t run, we don’t abandon our own, we kick butt stories and “macho” man talk, specially when it comes from people who think a macho image is all they need to survive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just FYI we abandoned thousands as POWs/MIAs in Vietnam and ran, and ran, and ran all the way back to the US of A.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So much for not abandoning our own!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the we don’t run, we don’t abandon our own, we kick butt stories and “macho” man talk, specially when it comes from people who think a macho image is all they need to survive.</p>
<p>Just FYI we abandoned thousands as POWs/MIAs in Vietnam and ran, and ran, and ran all the way back to the US of A.</p>
<p>So much for not abandoning our own!</p>
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		<title>By: HReading</title>
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		<dc:creator>HReading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Look.  Iraq is NOT our country.  It belongs to the Iraqis.  They are the ones with the right to call the shots in their country.  We have no right whatsoever to continue doing as we will in their country.  We invaded it illegally, and we occupy it illegally.  If you are not happy having our military being told what to do by the government of Iraq, then demand that our military be removed … immediately.  No timetable, “redeployment, or any other delays.  SIMPLY GET OUT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you want to get indignant, upset and angry about something, then get upset and angry about the fact that nearly 50 percent of your tax dollars are being spent on a military whose size can only be justified on the basis of world domination.  We can provide for our common defense for far less … and use the savings to provide college educations for those currently forced by economics into the armed forces, to provide universal health care.  A smaller military will also act as a constraint against egomaniacal monsters here wishing to rule the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get out of the militarism mind set.  Live and let live.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look.  Iraq is NOT our country.  It belongs to the Iraqis.  They are the ones with the right to call the shots in their country.  We have no right whatsoever to continue doing as we will in their country.  We invaded it illegally, and we occupy it illegally.  If you are not happy having our military being told what to do by the government of Iraq, then demand that our military be removed … immediately.  No timetable, “redeployment, or any other delays.  SIMPLY GET OUT.</p>
<p>If you want to get indignant, upset and angry about something, then get upset and angry about the fact that nearly 50 percent of your tax dollars are being spent on a military whose size can only be justified on the basis of world domination.  We can provide for our common defense for far less … and use the savings to provide college educations for those currently forced by economics into the armed forces, to provide universal health care.  A smaller military will also act as a constraint against egomaniacal monsters here wishing to rule the world.</p>
<p>Get out of the militarism mind set.  Live and let live.</p>
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