Per Kos , Charlie Cook says the following races are now toss-ups:
CA 11 Pombo vs. McNerney (Blue America candidate)
CO 04 Musgrave vs. Pacionne (Blue America candidate)
CO 05 Lamborn vs. Fawcett (Blue America/Netroots)
OH 02 Schmidt vs. Wulsin (Blue America candidate)
CA 50 Bilbray vs. Busby(Blue America/Netroots)
WY AL Cubin vs. Trauner (Netroots)
NH 02 Bass vs. Hodes (Netroots)
Remember this fabulous quote from yesterday's (*cough*) Democratic Strategist?
Because of their different experiences, netrooters have dismissed talk of a sweep as so much old-timer mysticism. Old-timers have been unable to believe the netrooters do not see what is clearly before their eyes. As a result of their different experiences, netrooters are also more focused on carefully bringing home every victory that's clearly in reach and leaving nothing to chance in any race, while the old-timers are wondering whether a bank would loan the DNC $5 million or $10 million against future contributions to expand their reach from 30 targeted seats to 50. Old-timers are also speculating about whether they should count as won the top ten prospective take-overs and shift resources from those seats to the Tier 3 opportunities.
You know, this just does not look to me like a triumph of the K Street sell-outs Blue Dogs .
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Frist !
Howie!
Jane!
Fitz!
Shorter Rahm: “It was my idea to play to our strenghs all along, . . . honest . . .”
cl
Could someone translate this from Snarky Beltwayese to something that we political amateurs could understand? I’m not sure what the article says: that oldtimers don’t believe the netroots can pull off a victory; that netroots don’t realize a big victory is pending; or both.
wow; my frist one !
It is a combination of many things. The Blue Dog strategy was obviously short-sighted, non-risky and self-centered. That’s more hyphens in description than they deserve…..
Netroots, BlueAmerica, ActBlue and Dean’s strategy have worked better. But “Had Enough?” – especially when skillfully connected to the war and Bushista incompetence does better than any of the other plans, strategies or organizations.
I always said that if we didn’t win back the House and/or Senate, Howard Dean and the angry bloggers would bear the blame. If We did win back the House and/or Senate, Rahm Emanuel and Chuck Schumer along with the Blue Dogs/DLC would claim the credit.
Sadly, my powers of prognostication remain intact.
dRahma queen putting on airs
GSD:
Bass is now on the line. Go Hodes.
I am seeing the ads an Bass is trying to use ignorance to pretend he is independent.
Also the RNC is running ads against hodes that put up military like grid lines and take shots at him repeating liberal like the rat tat of gunfire.
charge the presses!:
Albatross @
4
My suggestion would be reading the article, then you can tell us all, I don’t think anyone quite understands what this crap is supposed to be saying.
After seeing below I would gladly trade Joeloser for an Allen loss. I do agree that people who are still with Joeloser…I guess I can believe it they are called Republicans and they have been causing woe loe these many years.
But he can’t pull it off without what at least 1 of 2 indies, and 1 or 2 or every 10 dems.
punaise @
10
Yippee! GO MIKE!
punaise @
8
Nice punaise. Very nice. I’ll refrain from any comments about Rahm being en pointe. Or, on second thought I won’t.
Tweety spending the whole show on Kerry’s comments. Tweety doin a pretty good job of putting the comments in their proper context- but is still wastin a whole show on the garbage.
Goopers are hopin that they can ride to victory on a swiftboat- one more time.
Jane Hamsher @
11
Okay, did that beforehand but still confused.
So… regardless of what it’s supposed to be saying, is it supposed to be helping? ‘Cos I’m not sure that it is. It reads like more snatching-defeat-from-the-jaws-of-victory Democratic infighting…
Not that we should by and large aspire to their tactics, but does one see this kind of infighting on Wingnut blogs? Seriously, I’m asking, because I don’t have the stomach to read most of them.
Malacandra @
7
A lot of us who have come back to the Dems from the Greens have been predicting the upcoming congressional takeover and the subsequent battle for control since early 2005. And we’re providing GOTV troops who know how to fight uphill battles with little money.
Many of us relish the second battle at least as much as the first. In a way it is even more important than getting the GOP out. The old school Dems – Blue Dogs and other DINOs – are further to the right than any GOP administration before W’s.
rwcole @ 15
Hee hee, I shorted out their bilge pump. She be takin’ on water.
I’m really looking forward to some Allen staffers being arrested. What a great headline that will make.
rwcole @ 15
He’s arguing with a Republican hack that’s sticking to the talking points. Sheesh, Chris
Is Tweety spending as much time on Kerry’s response? The WHOLE response? There are some mightly fine lines in that Kerry smackdown.
I think that getting all the blue dogs and yellow dogs and centerist democrats out of office- is a great idea- if ya wanna hold the next convention in a phone booth and cede control of the govt. to the goopers for the next 100 years or so.
Paul Hackett may have a note or two he could forward to Rahm…
scory – for you:
Mr. Emmanuel is experiencing a queasy feeling from this surging tidal wave. dRahmamine hasn’t proven effective.
“Thomas Riehle is the co-founder of RT Strategies, a bipartisan polling firm in Washington D.C.” is the Beltway wienie wrangler who authored that turgid, “up-is-down” quote.
Even at The Democratic Strategist blog where this “washing of hogs” originated, the overwhelming majority of commenters raked him deservedly over the coals thusly:
Albatross @ 16
Read the comments of the original article, Albatross, and I believe all will be clear.
Albatross @
16
I’m not quite sure what their overarching narrative is, but they seem to be trying to claim that we have only been focused on the top races and haven’t supported less likely winners. When the exact opposite is true. We’ve been supporting these people all along, and the DC “wise men” only recently acknowledged their existence.
I think this kind of bullshit one week before an election is unforgiveable. And it’s everywhere. We didn’t put it there, but we’ve certainly got the ammnition to defend ourselves.
Also, do you ever read wingnut blogs? Because they almost never fight. That’s the one thing their love of authoritarianism gives them — a unity that is positively one-note.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but thou smellest like a concern troll.
You really need to get over yourself, Jane. Name one man who works harder on behalf on the party than Rahm. Go ahead. I’ll wait.
Jane…
Out of curiosity, why do you suppose Charlie Brown in the CA-04th isn’t on Cook’s list? The recent polling shows a statistical dead heat and Charlie has picked up endorsements from just about every paper in this district as well as from several high-profile conservatives in this district. Even Doolittle’s own campaign had to deflect questions recently about Charlie’s surging momentum and fast-growing popularity amongst self-professed conservative republicans.
We’ve always been at war with Oceania! Here’s a paragraph I fully expect to see soon in Time or Newsweek:
(Click on the link if you don’t know what I’m talking about.)
“Hee hee, I shorted out their bilge pump. She be takin’ on water.”
Are we going to reprise “pirate talk” now? (Hope not – lol)
Tucker on- he’s gonna spend his whole hour on Kerry’s comments too. Oh well- guess he thinks this will help his ratings?
rwcole @ 15
It’s not 2004. If they want to make the last week about Iraq (and Kerry is smart enough to ensure that it doesn’t become about him) then they’re quite welcome to do so. This was orchestrated: if Kerry had said ‘it’s cloudy outside’, Pony Blow would have run with that as a sign he wants the terrorists to win. Desperation tactics at work.
As for the Blue America numbers, they’re fantastic. They’re going to make next Tuesday night a long one, because there may be welcome surprises in every timezone.
I’m going to add one note of caution: if — or when — BA candidates win, remember that they’re not our representatives. They’re in their new districts’ service first and foremost.
And if they lose, it’s in our interests, and the party’s best interests to keep them engaged for next time. Nothing makes a better campaigner than experience.
Maybe President Cheney’s real name is Gort.
We ask in the name of humanity:
Gort, klaatu barada nikto. [Space Alien Gort, please don’t destroy the earth.]
HeadKeepsSpinning @ 28
Howard Dean.
I wouldn’t pay much attention to the Rahm/Tauscher wing of the DC Dem establishment. Next Tue we will know who made it. Those candidates that the grassroots/netroots supported and funded will hopefully remember what got their campaigns going. I am pretty certain that senators Tester and Webb will remember. I am equally confident in representatives Kissell, McNerney, Kleeb, Massa, et al. They will help start the change in the party leadership in DC.
This is just the early rounds in staffing the party leadership with principled candidates. If the grassroots/netroots build on the successes and learn from the failures from this cycle hopefully challengers to the Rahm wing will be supported early in the primaries in 2008.
Turns out that there was actually some news today- Iraqi Prime Minister said “No” to Clusterfuck’s plan for his nation. This got pretty much covered up by the flap about Kerry’s comments.
angie @ 35
Howie Klein
punaise @ 38
yeah!
HeadKeepsSpinning @ 28
Careful there, HKS. Rahm works hard, but there’s a difference between working for the party and working for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Rahm’s job is the latter, and that means he has to (a) protect Democratic incumbents in the House, (b) get more Dems into the House, and (c) do other things to help the Democratic party.
In that order of priority.
Rahm doesn’t answer to the party – at least not directly. His bosses are the Democratic members of the House, and those are the folks he has to keep happy. Does he work hard on their behalf? Absolutely. But let’s be clear here: that’s different than working hard on behalf of the party as a whole.
You want a name? Howard Dean comes to mind, but he’s hardly the only hard worker out there.
AZ – 05 – Hayworth vs. Mitchell was also included in Cooks upgrage to tossup.
Many Republicans all over the state have been throwing Hayworth under the bus. The AZ Republic(ian) endorsed Mitchell calling Hayworth a bully and former Att. Grant Woods (R) is doing robo calls for Mitchell pretty much saying that Hayworth lies.
I have never had a job where you could never show up to work and spend all your time flyin around the country giving the same stupid speech over and over. It would never have occured to me that “President of the US” would be such a job.
angie @ 35
I was sorely tempted myself, but DFTT! (Dont Feed The Trolls) *g*
rwcole @ 42
LOLOLOLOL so perfectly on target that I am rolling.
Poifect!
Caoimhin Laochdha @
3
Shorter Rahm? Not possible.
Albatross @
4
He’s saying that if we win, it’s because he was right all along, and if we lose it will be because he was right all along.
Breaking it down even further,
Imagine that there are two teams “Insiders” and “Outsiders.”
The Insiders’s stated plan was to focus on key “winable” races, regardless of how good the actual candidate was; winning was the most important issue, and getting your position out there was a follow on benefit.
The Outsider’s stated plan was to try to promote the best candidates they could find, in all fifty states; having a candidate in every market that represented your position was the most important issue, and winning would be a consequence
Ours worked
Theirs didn’t
He’s trying to sell the notion that our plan was his secret plan all along, in the hopes that people are stupid.
He’s dreaming.
–MarkusQ
HeadKeepsSpinning @
28
I’ll quote Howie Klein:
He might be working his balls of to infect the party with GOP homophobes but if you’re going to wait around for me to thank him for it, you’ve got some time on your hands.
egregious @ 34
My IQ isn’t high enough to understand this.
Jane Hamsher @ 47
ROTFLMAO with your laser truth, Jane!
Guess we’ve all got our favorites and our goats in the party that we share- but this close to the election- couldn’t we spend our energy trashing goopers? Aren’t they the enemy?
Yes, Paul Hackett was more than ready to challenge Mike DeWine, but wiser (or at least dustier) heads prevailed. Paul Hackett, ahead of the wave, was for audacity before he got Rahmed and Chucked by these so called wizards.
I think the “old-timer mystics” are confusing the natural caution of Kos with defeatism. Not surprising that they are confused, and not surprising that they would attempt to take credit for a groundswell of support they had nothing to do with.
I was driving from Connecticut to Massachusetts this morning and listened to an interview of Ralph Nader on NPR. He is giving speeches at Quinnipiac and Yale Universities tomorrow on the Military Commission Act of 2006.
He is very concerned that people in CT don’t understand the selling out that Lieberman has done – particularly over the last six years. The fact of the matter is – Lieberman has changed, dramatically. Nader gave an example of an environmental group in CT who stated that Joe’s been good for the environment when, in fact, Joe has voted for things like the “Bush/Cheney Mobil/Exxon Energy Bill” (as he calls it).
The interviewer kept asking if Nader had decided to work for change from within the Dem party – and he said no, he had spent too many years going along with the game plan and being ignored and marginalized. However he felt it was vitally important that the Dems take control of at least one, if not both, houses of Congress.
I almost drove off the road.
He indicated he was a Lamont supporter and is focused on “educating” CT voters about Lieberman’s duplicity.
rwcole @ 50
Feel free to go over to the Democratic Strategist and tell them you think they should be focusing their efforts elsewhere.
Meanwhile, when they attack you, remind us to tell you how you should respond.
rwcole @ 50
Think Tommy Chong in ‘Up in Smoke’.
Just say Ommmmmmm. Mellow. Mellow.
jarota- well if Brown wasn’t kicking DeWine’s ass, I’d think that you might be right- but in fact goopers have withdrawn support for DeWine as he is obviously going down.
Now some will argue that Paul would have kicked DeWine’s ass too- we’ll never know- but the issue was whether he could raise the money required- and Paul admitted that it would be tough.
Jane–I guess you don’t want to have a discussion eh?
A million dollars against Shays, but Rahm just can’t seem to find $5,000, or even $1 for that matter, to get TV ads on the air for Diane Benson.
Probably just a coincidence that she is a progressive, female, Native American that could kick Rahm’s butt from here to Prudoe Bay.
And who is, btw, within FIVE POINTS of incumbent Don Young (R-Marianas Scandal) according to the Young’s latest internal poll which was leaked to friendly sources :) This is up from 30 points down only ONE MONTH ago. Bwahahahahaha.
Hey, Representative Young? BOO!!
Rep. Young on November 8? BOO HOO!
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
For Halloween, make Don “Forced Abortions” Young’s worst nightmare come true. Support DIANE BENSON for Congress. Extra bonus points: outdated model to be replaced by a progressive female Native American, the first ever in Congress needless to say.
MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
rwcole @ 55
Think how much Paul could’ve raised in this election! He would’ve been a Contenda.
Since when is it considered reasonable to introduce a disagreement with a blog-host’s posting by saying:
You really need to get over yourself, Jane.?
One can disagree with the analysis offered up at a blog without being insulting, you know.
Unless the whole point of it IS to be insulting. In which case it’s called “trolling.”
Balrog @ 48
The Day the Earth Stood Still(1951)
I really don’t understand the meta of all this. Really I don’t. It is too much sometimes for me to comprehend.
I just know that deep in the CA-11, the difference is the energy and the amount of volunteers here–not the amount of money, because Pombo has always had more money. He just can’t find many volunteers–unless he pays them. [Laura Bush is coming soon to CA-11 and CA-04. The price of admission? Putting in a shift of canvassing].
I have been knocking on doors since the middle of August and I am knocking on those doors and talking to voters because of FDL, dKos, MyDD and DWT. The energy and the push from the progressive blogs kicked me in the, uh, well, they all got me motivated and positive for the first time in 6 years. No national Democratic Coalition of any kind could have done that for me or for many people. Many of us had just given up.
From my little corner of CA-11, I don’t much care who publicly takes credit. Because I know in my heart that if we pull this off and defeat Pombo, it will be because of all of us here knocking on doors and calling and all the small donations coming in from the Act Blue pages and the Net Roots. I will know.
1,320 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and Firepup Patriots:
If the Democrats win both houses…will there be enough strength and inertia within the progressive caucus ta dismantle the power structure of the K-street sellouts on both the Senate and the House side? What about if it’s jest a narrow victory in the House and a narrow lose of the Senate? The people immediately behind Pelosi in the House and the Clinton-Schumer faction behind Reid in the Senate worry the hell outta me.
KEEP THE FAITH AND YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN…WE’RE JEST GETTIN’ A GOOD LOOK AT ALL THE BAD GUYS!!!
Oh Kerry, Kerry, Kerry.
-GSD
Name one man who works harder on behalf on the party than Rahm.
Nancy Pelosi
OT? – Jon Stewart & TDS in OHIO: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..ce_or.html
GSD @ 63
I’m so behind on this controversy. I don’t know anything about it. Do I want to?
Do we have a contact or website for Nate? I made a $$ contribution for Charlie Brown CA-04 and wanted him to know it was because of his inspiring example.
He quit his job and moved away from Hawaii just to help Brown, whom he previously didn’t know. This is highly principled action which I am honored to support.
The shoe budget for this month is looking a little strange…
Hey if Code Pink wants to do their Iraq shoe thing here they should call me.
TRex @ 60
Thanks T. I remember a band called Klaatu that was rumored to be the Beatles reformed in secret, too. Klaatu
My reference is to the online IQ tests that use these words and definitions in a brain-f*ck.
umm…Kerry story tops GoogleNews…
—
have created G/N Spec.Sec.s on Lamont, NSA, Hastert Page. Just added ‘Diane Benson Congress Alaska’.
Might add something for Massa NY and a few others…Charlie Brown, mebbe.
That would be due to BlueBlog/Dems. like our ET/egreg here, kos, and Howie/Howard
I’m kinda partial to the K/K MA Sen duo, myself in terms of ‘for the party’. But, I’m a partisan AND constituent.
TRex @ 66
Depends. Do you have enough aspirin? Three steps forward, two steps back. Sheesh. Can’t we do better in our national leaders?
sjvalleygal @
61
Part of the problem we’re struggling with right now is that after we shook down Democratic candidates to give $$$ to the DCCC, they decided to dump huge piles of it into the Tammy Duckworth and Diane Farrell races, and little or none into these races. While I’ve heard their rationale on this decision (they’re doing it there because the RNCC is doing it there) I don’t find it exceptionally compelling.
BlanK: vowels and consonnants are free on the internets. knock yourself out! :~)
Jane Hamsher @ 53
Jane, will you marry me? The divorce will be spectacular.
Patrick 4/4 @ 73
707
punaise @ 38
Jane Hamsher and Christy Hardin Smith.
The fact that the question is limited to a “man” is part of the problem here. Didn’t we finish this stuff back in about 1973?
We just put this commentary up…..
Blackwell’s CommonSense groups behind Push Polls in TN and other states………….
“Recent reports suggest that organizations operating in battleground states under the “Common Sense” banner are behind push-polls playing out with increasing frequency as Americans approach midterm election decisions coming in November. (Such “polls,” of course, push an agenda through the wording and the questions asked.)”
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.or…../1450/4462
ab initio @
36
I used to cover Tauscher when I was a newspaper fotog. She’s a moron of the first order. She can be counted upon to do the wrong thing, just about every time.
T Rex. Actually I hope you see his comments and then tell me if you think they were helpful. Some FDL folks think it was a little mistake and are happy that he is fighting back. I think it gave the pubs an issue that is not going to help next Tuesday.
TRex @ 66
I’m with you on this TRex
Why the f*** is what he said to a bunch of kids even an issue? WTF? Who cares what he said joking around with a bunch of kids? Far worse comes out of Commander Codpiece every day.
Lord, the repukes are desperate if this is the biggest scandal they can come up with.
Did Bush really make a statement about this BS?
HeadKeepsSpinning at 2:59 pm *
Please apologize to Jane for that profoundly disrespectful remark. You want disagree, fine, keep the ad hominems to yourself.
Jane emailed Rahm and invited him to meet with us here at FDL for a scheduled event. Not only didn’t Rahm ever show up, I think he just ignored the invitation.
You have evidence that Rahm works so hard, I want to see it. I see Jane and Christy not just working hard in their daily posts, but raising money. Where’s Rahm? I rarely seeing him on the talking heads. Nobody get’s paid for “working hard.” It’s about results.
Now, I’m waiting for the apology to Jane.
HeadKeepsSpinning @
28
My name’s not Jane, but I’ll name you one: Howard Dean.
Of course he did and Lieberman will as well.
-GSD
I’m so behind on this controversy. I don’t know anything about it. Do I want to?
I’m with you on this TRex
Why the f*** is what he said to a bunch of kids even an issue? WTF? Who cares what he said joking around with a bunch of kids? Far worse comes out of Commander Codpiece every day.
Lord, the repukes are desperate if this is the biggest scandal they can come up with.
Did Bush really make a statement about this BS?
dab from CT @ 79
dab from CT @ 79
I hate the sound of giggling trolls.
TRex @
60
Beat me to it, TRex. I was going to say google Michael Rennie.
1,320 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
“…Meanwhile when they attack you, remind us to tell you how you should respond.” You go gal!!! Even the well intentioned corporatists need a slap up side a the head now and then.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION LADIES, THE BASTARDS AIN’T GUNNA GIVE UP WITHOUT A FIGHT!!
New NBC/WSJ Poll
Bush JAR 39%
Up one point from last time
Cozumel @ 86
Hoop-de-do.
egregious @
75
that’s exactly what prompted my “Nancy Pelosi” above.
Looks like the people are ahead on this Drudge created smear.
From Lou Dobbs:
Do you believe John Kerry owes our troops in Iraq an apology?
Yes
26%
473 votes
No
74%
1368 votes
Total: 1841 votes
-GSD
HeadKeepsSpinning @ 28
Howie Klein. Mattv Stoller. Chris Bowers. Toname a few.
Since you did not ask for any women. Funny, that.
TPM:
Lou Dobbs poll
Do you believe John Kerry owes our troops in Iraq an apology?
Yes 26% 373 votes
No 74% 1368 votes
Freep away at http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
Brian NBC Nightly has ush JAR 37/59.
-
Now on Kerry.
——–
Now about the Poll.
ISSUE IS IRAQ, IRAQ, IRAQ.
Interesting that George Allens brownshirts assaulting someone is less of a story than the Kerry muffed comments.
-GSD
sjvalleygal @ 61
You’re telling my story, just switch CA-04 with CA-11. I lightly loathe Rahm, and everything he says registers as white noise.
Meanwhile: Do you think Kerry owes our troops an apology? Vote here at Lou Dobbs.
netrooters are also more focused on carefully bringing home every victory that’s clearly in reach and leaving nothing to chance in any race…
Ya that’s because WE are the ones who are actually getting out the dam* vote while the “old-timers” are sitting on their butts issuing pronouncements. It’s kinda like saying the stock market will adjust for every event…well that’s because there are analysts and traders that make it happen.
WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MAKING IT HAPPEN.
We are the new paradigm.
rwcole @ 55 –
the thread is about K street sell-outs, not goopers, and the sh*tty methods they use to run a campaign. Brown publicly rejected a senate run, and at that point Hackett announced. Then Brown changed his mind, after telling Hackett he would not run. Then the DSCC had their original candidate, so they convinced Hackett to withdraw, with sabotage and withdrawal of funding promises.
And if you think it would have been difficult for Hackett to contend with a Bush rubber stamp who even supported Harriet Miers for Supreme Court, well, I guess “we’ll never know”.
Blank Kludge @ 93
That wasn’t the JAR, which is 39% ; )
To recap:
Albatross @
4
Translation:
If Dems were to lose (or not win big enough) it’s because of the looney left netroots. If we win it’s because of us sensible centrists. Never mind if the reverse is actually true. We’re sensible centrists, we’re serious, and we don’t need the truth.
Rahm and his ilk I suspect really don’t want the masses involved in “politics” except as knee-jerk voters and cash cows. They’ve had a tidy system going that suits their needs for way too long, and of course they’re not gonna go down easy. The great thing about the netroots is that it has brought so many informed voters into the political process- informed via the netroot efforts and netroot blogs. I know I’m not saying anything new, but I wanted to say it anyway. And, the old boy/old girl network must be getting very nervous…
punaise @ 72
fickle finger flailing
(NOTE: this keyoard/mouse combo needs a field sobiety test. So, the less used the better (for this user, mebbe not readers.)
GO NED/NETROOTZ/BLUEBLOGZ!
OK?
TRex @ 66
Kerry made a witty remark that went over the heads of the MSM, and Rove jumped on it. But Kerry is still standing tall.
IMHO
Blank Kludge @ 101
OK!
egregious @ 96 — F*cken A!
Our very own Mary has a diary at Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/31/165138/27
Y’all know what to do.
The Day the Earth Stood Still: have I redeemed myself from the day, some months ago, when I didn’t have sufficient knowledge of Looney Tunes episodes? And may I acknowledge the breadth and the depth of fdl knowledge here. -bowing-]
I think there are a lot of interesting parallels between this crop of [not supposed to say idiots…] intellectually impaired incumbents and Looney Tunes. Plus it would be great graphics.
neurophius @ 102
Taller than ever, imho!
poll re: kerry
http://www.loudobbs.com
Notice they don’t play the full contextual quote of Kerry talking about George W. Bush prior to his ham-handed joke.
-GSD
egregious @ 106
Klaatu sprken argle-bargle, egregious.
Morris at 99 If Dems were to lose (or not win big enough) it’s because of the looney left netroots…
I swear I did not read this comment before making my own about Looney Tunes.
Synchronicity.
egregious @ 106
Turdblossom for Porky Pig, hands down.
The joke made no sense. Could it be that this was “strategy’ to stir shit up so he could “stand tall”?
neurophius @ 102
angie @ 107
Valley Girl @
100
Rahm ilk spoils in the sunshine. perhaps he needs to be “pasture-ized”, as in put out to.
egregious @ 111
Now don’t be getting Jane all Sting-ly. Or is that Christy?
egregious @ 106
Latest quote for the “intellectually impaired incumbents:”
Th-th-th-that’s all, folks.
Balrog @ 115
I thought it was Christy who had a Sting Thing.
Poached from TPM:
snip….
Mike Stark, the fellow who was treated like a tackling dummy by Senator George Allen’s staff today, writes a letter demanding that Allen fire his staffers and saying he’s pressing charges against Allen himself…………….
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..010696.php
This may well be the most hope-inspiring thing I have heard about the possible election results:
Shredding Crew Arrives at Cheney Compound.
What was that about Rove and the Preznint’s sunny optimism? Are they just destroying all remaindered copies of Sisters?
rwcole at 3:16 pm*
Some of your comments don’t exactly appear calibrated to promoting peace and harmony. You and Jane have disagreed many times. You, and I, and most commenters drop in when we feel like it. I don’t think Jane is obligated to comment every time you ask for a response. Jane and Christy are here seven days a week and they have raised a ton of money for Democratic candidates. I can see where they might have precious little patience with this latest attack from Vichy Dems.
egregious @ 111
As usual. I can’t say how many times some upstart like you or punaise has stolen my thunder.
punaise @ 117
Yeah, I edited right after I posted.
Comment ‘mangled in delivery’
A Kerry aide told CNN that the prepared statement, which had been designed to criticize President Bush, “was mangled in delivery.”
Kerry was supposed to say, “I can’t overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don’t study, if you aren’t smart, if you’re intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”
and here is what he said:
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
RBG @ 105
Let’s go people, only 7 recs so far.
If you don’t have a kos account I highly recommend [har] you get one IF ONLY to boost the posts of fellow fdl folk. You don’t have to Talk To People or write brilliantly or comment with wit, just be able to click the “Recommend” button when it will help save the world—no pressure there. Egregious-Certified Introvert-Safe.
OT Your daily gas and oil prices
Average price for regular gasoline 10/31/06 in 50 states and DC
$2.80 plus 1 state : Hawaii
$2.70 plus 0 states
$2.60 plus 1 state : Alaska
$2.50 plus 0 states
$2.40 plus 6 states
$2.30 plus 3 states
$2.20 plus 17 states
$2.10 plus 13 states
$2.00 plus 10 states : Arkansas, Georgia, Missouri, Mississippi, New Jersey, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia
Average daily decline in the national average for regular gasoline beginning at the peak:
August 8-15: .56 cents
August 15-22: 1.06
August 22-29: 1.19
Aug 29- Sept 5: 1.54
September 5-12: 1.7
September 12-19: 1.8
September 19-26: 1.7
Sept 26-Oct 3: .9
October 3-10: .61
October 10-17: .56
October 17-24: .30 cents
Average daily increase in the national average for regular gasoline beginning at the bottom:
October 24-31: .01 cents
Average national price: $2.210, down $.002 from yesterday
Down 28.2 cents from same time last year.
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $2.898
Lowest average price: New Jersey $2.041
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
Nymex Crude Future $58.73, up $.37 from yesterday
Dated Brent Spot $56.97, up $.62
WTI Cushing Spot $58.73, up $.37
This is the first week where gasoline prices increased, if only minimally. We are at the bottom with only 7 days to the election. Make of the timing what you will. The grasping at straws and looking for direction continue in the oil markets.
punaise @ 117
LindaR [using her Homer Simpson voice]: Mmmm, Sting . . . .
John- Jane DID comment.
It’s true that some of my comments express views out of the mainstream here. Do you think that’s a bad thing?
John Casper @ 120
*Ton of money = BlueAmerica’s $500,000, of which the vast majority is from firedoglake. This ain’t Monopoly money folks. Plus add in anything raised because fdl exists, ie, egrBlue, and the total is even higher.
Pachacutec @ 90
Pachacutec, and a lot of people he has inspired in a lot of states.
To wit, if fdl and Howie Klein weren’t in my universe, I would have supported Jim Webb and………..
Probably nobody else.
One of my primary goals in life is to help solve more problems than I create :)
I just gotta say…I really like sharing this Big Tent with y’all.
neuro: I have to decline the compliment. I only do politics in my “spare” time. I have a full time non-political business.
Kerry has nothing to apologize for, he explained it.
He’s a vet; he knows a lot about war and cares a lot for his brethren.
He stood up for our troops and the many lost lives in Iraq when he spoke yesterday, today and he will again in the future.
A mangled sentence is nothing compared to the constant mangling of our language by bushco…
not to mention their killing spree.
He’s earned the right to speak. LOUD.
Media check: Iraq dominates the news tonight.
ABC: Kerry flap led but it was he said/he said, which lead into negative story on iraq. Maliki out of US control; Bush people totally surprised and dismayed;
CBS: missed first segment, but next stories on violence in Iraq; followed by segment on the “security moms” changing sides this year because of Iraq.
NPubRadio — personal horror stories in Iraq. No mention of Kerry.
Anyone else see other networks/cable? Cause this was a night Rove and rw talk shows wanted to make Kerry the issue, and it looks like it was just a Dems vs Repubs disgree on Iraq (good for us) leading into iraq in chaos. More or more people interviewed are saying “it’s time to get out.” There may be a sea change about to break.
rwcole keeps us on our toes – I’m OK with that
RBG @
92
I just freeped. I never freeped before. Can’t wait to freep again.
GOTV!!!!!!!
back to Lieberman…
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/sh…..aryId=4264
Urban Voters & Associates/”street money” nexus?
by: Matt Browner Hamlin
Tue Oct 31, 2006 at 17:55:18 PM EST
I’ve been up to my eyeballs investigating the Lieberman petty cash slush fund and it’s possible connections to street money. What I hadn’t been looking into was other improprieties connected to Lieberman’s get out the vote operation in the primary and since. Not surprisingly, though, the Lieberman campaign has been tied to GOTV activities that run afoul of the law. Daniel Goren’s Hartford Courant article on Prenzina Holloway and Urban Voters & Associates reveals a serious failure by Lieberman’s subcontractor. Holloway was banned from ballot distribution by the Connecticut State Elections Enforcement Commission for forging signatures on absentee ballots in the last election, yet was doing just that for Lieberman now. []
The impact is clear. Joe Lieberman’s campaign expenditures must be questioned and cannot be taken at face value. Legally dubious subcontractors and massive amounts of unaccounted petty cash arise from the same disrespect for campaign finance propriety. That may be the extent of their connection, but we cannot know without full disclosure from the Lieberman campaign and their subcontractor Urban Voters & Associates.~~~
p.s. John Casper- I take back my not vote buying argument!!!
Ok show of hands. How many of you have already eaten some of the Halloween candy that is supposed to be for the kids trick or treating?
[MrEgregious sheepishly puts hand up]
Lou Dobbs Poll Results just on CNN
74% – Kerry owes no apology.
I guess the Freepers were napping ; ) LOL
punaise @ 114
Lieberman has made a statement condemning John Kerry’s misstatement. Oh god, Holy Joe has gone into Monica-mode. I hope Lamont takes these self serving, self rightous comments and beats Joe over the head with them. Joe needs to issue an “apology” for the KISS, he needs to apologize for his enthusiastic support of this horrid war. I can’t believe that the Dem party elite support this prick, especially if the Kerry comments have the potential to cost us control of the House.
rw, this is the one I was referring to,
I’m pretty familiar with the issues you and Jane disagree on. I thought you went a little too far in the direction of implying that Jane was obligated to discuss something. Per egregious above, she’s raised 500K for Democratic candidates. If you’re trying to piss her off, I think you’re probably doing a pretty good job.
I think this whole thing is about post election positioning. We’re all pro-choice. We all want to get out of Iraq faster than the neocons. It may be the issue that is driving this is campaign finance reform. I’d like to see them publicly fund all the national elections. Is that going to fly with conservative Democrats? I’m clear that Dems are attacking the netroots. I’m not sure what the issue is.
I. despise. Joe.
egregious @ 139
you are not alone. sorry, kids.
Re: Gort, klaatu barada nikto.
You guys have it all wrong. Klaatu was the name of the Michale Rennie character. He wanted to warn Gort that his barada was about to get niktoed, a painful experience I think we would all agree.
rwcole @
37
rw — ABC picked this up and covered it well. Message, iraq government out of control accordin to WH; iraq sides with militants, and WH genuinely surprised and dismayed. Martha Raddatz covered the story.
egregious @39 … me too
I forgot to turn on the porch light
Big bowl of candy
I will have a sugar hangover tomorrow
John- I was not implying that Jane had the obligation to respond- as I said- she DID respond.
I was not trying to piss anyone off.
neurophius @ 140
don’t suppose this is what you’re referring to?
Valley Girl at 4:00 pm, how very kind of you to mention that.
But if the mangled sentence provides ammo to the other side and makes Democratic candidates less likely to win then what is the point? Of course he has a right to say what he want but he needs to figure out what hill is worth dying on.angie @
133
It’s a little dated, but look at the very right hand column and tell me what YOU see.
http://www.pollingreport.com/2006.htm
Sorry rw, in that case I apologize.
The way things are going its going to be pistols at dawn soon.
“RANGEL & VEEP IN ALL-OUT WAR
REP. RIPS ‘S.O.B.’ AFTER TAX ASSAULT
WASHINGTON – Rep. Charles Rangel yesterday blasted Dick Cheney as a “son of a bitch” after the vice president said the Harlem lawmaker would raise taxes and destroy the economy if Democrats take control of the
House.”…………
http://tinyurl.com/yc4u5s
rwcole @ 148
Damn. Now she’ll never divorce me and I had picked out matching lawyers and everything.
John- no problem.
Pachacutec @ 132
Well to dern bad. You’re stuck with it. *g*
Pachacutec @ 132
My comment stands. I know you are not a Beltway political pro. Maybe you’d accept it if I changed the language to read, “any [person] who has worked SMARTER for the Party…”
John Casper @ 150
Just wanted to let you know that I remembered the discussion, and also hope you know that even tho we had different opinions I didn’t take it personally, and hope you didn’t either.
There is a new thread but I am locked out for the zero comment.
Just heard John McCain’s self-serving use-the-troops-for-redmeat-to-the-rightwing deliberate distortion of John Kerry’s comment.
Shameless.
Every ounce of honor McCain gained for his actions in Vietnam, he just threw away. Or then again, he looked like he was reading a hostage script. Hmmmmm.
Kerry did today what he should have done during his presidential campaign. Who is going to believe that John Kerry looks down on our young men and women in the military? He is absolutely right in going after the rightwing media whores. These scumbags are good for nothing except demonizing other Americans.
Once again I find myself defending Lieberman. Kerry went way over the line. I think it is far more patriotic to send our fellow citizens to get killed and maimed in a bungled botch of a war that makes no sense and never did than to imply however indirectly that our troops are being exploited. Shame on you, John Kerry. We need more upright politicians like Joe, men with a moral compass that always points to the true north of their personal interest.
raven @ 78
He could have sneezed and they would have jumped on it.
egregious @ 139
I am so far out in the woods I have never had a trick or treater, unless you count the Jehovah’s Witness people who knocked on my door last month. They were not offered candy.
Prairie Sunshine @ 160
707! and he really did look like that.
Oh my – I am sitting in the computer room listening to ole’ Wolfie on CNN interviewing Charley Rangel. And the first question is about something Cheney wrote in the newspapers.
charlie responds by saying (from my feeble memory) that cheney is his friend but he once asked someone in the audience to perform a ’sexual act on himself.’ Ohdearohdear
I am assuming that this refers to the F88k You comments by the old buzzard. I think the earth hesitated there for a moment.
Hugh @ 163
Oh Hugh… this is satire that TRex would enjoy.
GrandmaJ @ 166
Cheney made a remark about Charlie not knowing how the economy works. Charlie called him a Son of a Bitch.
I love it.
On a lighterPrairie Sunshine @ 161
Small correction: Every ounce of honor McCain gained for his actions in Vietnam, he threw away a long time ago.
egregious @ 139
Sorry, I can’t type with my mouth full.
TRex @
119
Almost as wonderful is the fact that the truck was photo’d … usable as editorial replies, photo-op backdrops, campaign handouts, calling cards at OVP … Dick Cheney giving you guff? Just pat your foot while tapping a copy of that shot in the same rhythm.
Sigh.
1. Can we all sign a petition to Kerry asking him not to run for President until he learns to deliver a punch line.
2. My guess is we will survive the Kerry kerfuffle, notwithstanding the Bush/McCain effort to cast Kerry/Dems/liberals as disrepectful. The press was distracted because Kerry carelessly made himself the issue, but the media are getting back on Iraq. But we lost a night in which Iraq would have been the lead story again, instead of # 2 or 3. Kerry may not owe the troops an apology, but he owes us one.
3. Jane has been challenged, insulted, defended, provoked and even proposed to tonight. Just another day at the office, eh Jane? Give the Lady a break.
4. This post was necessary; it is protecting the movement. Folks like Howie (and Jane/Christy and indirectly, ultimately we) deserve a lot of credit for creating the conditions in which Dems can do much better than they ever expected. And a lot better than the Dem leadership could have done without our effort. It’s time for them to say, “thanks.” Anytime someone tries to spin this to trivialize that effort, and what it means, we have to respond. Jane has been very courageous about being on point in this fight; it’s not fun, and we should cover her back.
We are still moving forward; we still have a good shot at the whole thing. And we can pull this off. The Republicans are one day closer to losing one-party rule. Stay together.
katymine @
41
This is a surprise to me. I watched one of their debates about a week and a half ago and Hayworth was mopping the floor with his two opponents (despite the fact he comes across somewhat clownish). If the Dem in that race (Mitchell) is in the race it indicates a very strong Dem wave across the country.
Woo hoo!
Bustednuckles @ 169
I love it too, although to be more on top of recent events it might have been even better (and more accurate!) to call him a Husband of a Bitch.
I actually know nothing about Dick Cheney’s mother. But his vapor-suffering, melodramatic Marie-Antoinette-arrogant WIFE is on display for all the world to see.
Yes…Yes…Yes…our 25, 30, 40 , 50 bucks count for something…Kerry, Wes Clark, Reid…Boxer see the light….could we find someone to run against Rahm in Chicago, please.
Lady Bug @ 141
And the Dems are going to welcome this asshat back with open arms????
scarecrow @ 173
I got this from Jerry McNerney tonight, speaking of thanks:
I’ve heard it said that dems have no plans to help the economy. Jerry does. He wants to turn his district into the Silicon Valley of alternative energy. This letter indicates to me that he is NOT beholden to special interests. GO, JERRY!
angie @
35
AAAAMEN, sister! Howard Dean, I’ll second that.
Jane Hamsher @
27
Uh, thanks, but I’m not. That is, if I get what a “concern troll” is. I’m just a regular FDL reader who doesn’t understand why I’m suddenly reading incomprehensible infighting messages a week before the elections.