
Tip O'Neill famously said that "all politics is local." That is a truth that I have seen repeated over and over again during canvassing and phone calls and everything else here in my community — and across the country via anecdotes that we get from readers every single day. That personal connection in get out the vote efforts is critical — but, in some measure, perception and the public projection of image and mood is also an essential component of the election mix.
To that end, the WaPo has a version of the CW on Karl Rove and the Republican party that he has shaped in his own and George Bush's image — and the trouble or lack thereof, depending on whose spin you buy at this point, that the GOP might be in these days.
Reader Oklahoma Kiddo points to an op-ed in the LATimes for some further insight into all things Bush and Rove. The news reports the last few days have been replete with little vignettes about the "upbeat Rove" and his "optimistic" prognostications and the air of mystery that he knows something none of the rest of us know. His interview on NPR the other day was a shining example of this cocky little joy joy act.
But what is it based on — mystery internal polling? Inate wisdom? Or something else entirely?
Which leads me to my point. There are few people who understand human nature and the art of the bluff better than Doyle Brunson. Saying that he is a legend in the poker world is such an understatement that I'm ashamed to even belittle him that way — the man is a genius. So allow me to impart some Brunson wisdom on bluffing:
One of the best times to bluff is when an opponent is staring you down, reaching for his chips, or otherwise threatening to call. While opponents who are trying to discourage your bet by threatening to call, MIGHT actually call, they don't have hands powerful enough to raise. So, what remains are usually hands that they will be reluctant to call with. They will either call — reluctantly — or fold….
What Brunson is referring to here is is a regular bluff, but what Rove is trying to pull off this year might be more akin to something that David Sklansky theorized about in his seminal work "The Theory of Poker," called the semi-bluff: "In games with multiple betting rounds, to bluff on one round with an inferior or drawing hand that might improve in a later round is called a semi-bluff. A player making a semi-bluff can win the pot two different ways: all opponents fold immediately or by catching a card to improve the player's hand."
In other words, Karl is hoping for an Ace on the river, and is stalling to see if he gets one, or he's hoping that everyone will fold up their tent and go home in the face of his "oooooh, scary" optimism. Well, I'm not buying it — and you should not do so either.
The odds are against you, Karl.
I'm going to take the Tip O'Neill maxim a step further: all politics is retail. And for the GOP this year, what you have to sell is higher deficits, a mess in Iraq, a deteriorating Afghanistan, no Osama, party leadership that protected power over keeping kids safe from a sexually revved up Republican congressman, a crap Medicare revision, a do-nothing Congress that your party controlled on both sides of the Hill, and a whole lot of convictions, criminal pleas and corruption investigations from the top to the bottom of the GOP organization and your KStreet crony operations. Not a good sales pitch, even with a deep discount bin and a bunch of nasty huckster commercials ringing all the dog whistles and bells.
America deserves better than a daily con game from the Bush White House and a bunch of Republican rubber stamp shills in Congress. You have a bad hand, and America is calling your bluff in eight days — because we are adamantly not folding in the face of your faux election bravado. Instead, if I have anything to do with it, Karl, we are going to kick your pasty ass.
Had enough? Get out there and get out our vote for Democrats. The nation is depending on you.




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GOTV!
Redd!
Christy!
Shoot!
It’s hard to believe that Karl is doing anything but bluffing. Or perhaps diebolding the vote. I think buying the vote a la Lieberman is a little too much to pull off at a national scale.
Hey Christy, I was just reflecting on the title of your last post The Chosen Ones Heh Heh. You gotta get your laughs somewhere.
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Had Enough?
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… of these “Genius Rove” articles? Me too. Let’s change the narrative to “Stupid Divisive Rove” on 11/7.
By Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 30, 2006
Midterm Vote May Define Rove’s Legacy
Big Losses Could Dim Aura of Bush Adviser
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00753.html
People seem to forget that it was Rove who predicted during the 2000 election that the GOP would win so big and in such a wave of the popular vote that even California would go for Bush.
In case anyone has forgotten, Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, lost Florida, and only became president when the Supreme Court saved his ass in a decision so bad that they refuse to have it used as precedent.
That’s Karl Rove. It’s the inevitability con. Poker describes it quite well. But unfortunately for soldiers in Iraq and for those who died in the twin towers, it’s a “game” that is deadly.
Yeah Sparticus, just like on election eve, 2004, when he goes to down to the Whitehouse to tell Bush he won the election, and Bush changes instantly from petrified deer in headlights mode, to swaggering chest thrusting confidence. And all this at about 8 PM eastern when the polls were showing Kerry was winning BIG.
Must be them “secret polls” Karl had again.
And I bet he does have a pasty ass.
Excellent insight on the bluff. Meanwhile, Rove is also ready to use the power of incumbancy where possible. Buffalo got an early freak snowstorm, a federal disaster was declared (as if Buffalo doesn’t know how to handle snow… GET OUT!!). And so Rove got a chance to buy votes for Reynolds who is supposedly ahead based on the latest polling after being damaged by Foley, based on Rove’s votebuying with federal disaster aid.
I think you are right about his optimism being a bluff but he plays the cards well when he gets them.
A related commentary on The Next Hurrah:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
I love the online headlines and subheads on the WaPo Rove article, right outta the WaPo’s “Every Outcome is Good for the GOP Department:”
They got nothing but fear and smear.
Christy — for Haloween, can we have a contest for the scariest quotes from Bush/Cheney/Rummy, et al? Maybe have different prize categories for most outrageous disguise (lie) or most frightening ad? Special guest appearance by darkblack?
Britain seeks ‘bold’ climate action, hires Gore
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15480912/
sTeddySanFran @
7
Speaking of changing the narrative. I think Alan Shlesinger is picking up some lessons from the Karl Rove school of bluff. Good for him. I’m happy to repeat his assertion that he’s at 20%. The more that is heard the better. It will generate its own noJoementum. Time to start floggin that on the conservative blogs.
ruh-roh, the DSCC has written to the Virginia State Bar requesting release of Macaca’s application and info on his arrest warrants!
Shalaigh just posted the entire text during her chat– scroll down to the last question. (y’all might be interested in the question just prior to it :(– perish the thought!)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01488.html
A Democrat to her fingertips
Mark Tran
Monday October 30, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
http://www.guardian.co.uk/midt…..65,00.html
When Rove says he knows something we don’t, it’s always good to remember these are the same guys who said they knew where there were WMDs in Iraq.
Rick Perlstein has an article in the Chicago Tribune today about the upcoming elections. It is titled “Democrats Can Win House, But Can They Keep It?”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..entary-hed
Kind of cool to see our FDL friend make the really big time.
Rove’s use of our (taxpayer) money to campaign for Republicans, e.g., the federal disaster money for a snowstorm in Buffalo of all places, needs to be investigated pronto when we take control of Congress. I wonder how many times allover we will find him doing something like this.
Tonight’s news should feature the story about the missing weapons in iraq. It appears that the Army/Pentagon can’t account for enough rifles, RPGs, machine guns and ammo to arm the entire insurgency. Absolutely criminal negligence. You do court martials for this kind of dereliction, all the way up the responsible chain of command. And the guy at the top loses his job.
NYT lead front page: US Fails in tracking arms for Iraqis
A little fun from TPM Cafe -
Breaking news! – Political maestro Karl Rove ensures a November 7 GOP victory by announcing, “The midterm elections are not just 8 days away. The midterm elections will not occur this year.”
Do I get a hint of Mr. Reddhead here?
If Alan Schlesinger is “in the twenties,” which I believe, then there’s NoRGJoementum at all. I’ve also never believed a major party candidate would poll below 10%. Clearly, it’s a break for NED.
Speaking of breaks, where are all the TradMed stories about NED’s climb from 17% down to 8% down in one week?
Yeah, I thought so.
hehehe Jane at 23 — Mrs. ReddHedd has had to absorb Mr. ReddHedd’s poker knowledge in order to have a conversation on the subject. And, frankly, it comes in awfully handy at the macro level watching Rove and Mehlman maneuver in public.
AZ GOP throws the party under the bus…..
Breaking Story here in AZ:
AZ State GOP Chair sends letters to three mayors demanding they step down immediately because they endorses Gov Napolitano. Our mayors are non-partisan seats. WOOOOO Republican mayors have told the state GOP Chair that she does not drink the kool-aid!
3 GOP mayors asked to quit
Christy, thanks of the GOTV pep talk yesterday.
It embolded me to respond to two GOP representative endorsements from my local paper. Their reasons: a) they are incumbents, b) their steadfast support of the administration, c) coded language for their ability to bring home the pork. Their rational for endorsements read more like a reason to vote against.
Anyway, I just got the call from the editor and they will print my response on Thursday.
Thanks for psyching me up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 8
Detroit losing 4 games to Saint Louis could dim chances for World Series win. Being the worst President in history could dim Bush legacy. Supporting torture could dim US human rights record. That is one silly headline, but then it is the Washington Post.
ooh, Have You Had Enough being played on msnbc!
LOL! MSNBC just showed part of the Had Enough video with the bouncing ball ; )
angie @ 30
Pretty exciting. Nancy Skinner’s on MSNBC with Scarborough who tried to trip her up on her focus on Iraq/Bush. She tore him a new one about Bush’s recent visit to a candy shop in MI….but unwillingness to meet with the heads of the Big Three automakers.
TeddySanFran @
25
The media are too busy covering Bush’s JAR “surge” to 40%. I’m waiting for the story about how the Republicans can’t get anything done, because they only control three of the major branches of our vast federal government.
PM Olmert: Israel to expand military operations in Gaza Strip
Last update – 15:56 30/10/2006
More fun in Gulag Gaza by the sea:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/781386.html
heh heh, ALL IN, KARL!
“On the river” == “October surprise”, right?
OT: Some good news in the polls this morning. Looks like Chris Murphy has opened up a slight lead over incumbent Republican Nancy Johnson in CT-05 46-42. There’s a 3.6 percent MOE, so assume this might be a real lead. The best thing is that Johnson just ran an ad blitz with no measurable effect, the previous poll (done by a different pollster, unfortunately) was 45 – 40 for Murphy. From the article:
Most observers seem to agree that independents are the key in any major race in CT.
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..s-breaking
UPDATE: Pollster.com seems to share my “optimism”. It’s changed CT-05 to “leans Democratic” on the strength of this poll.
Bluffy the Empire’s Liar
Busted at 35 — exactly.
It’s time to start wooing the NASCAR/WWF/Championship Poker demo.
Real men take responsibility for their mistakes.
Real men don’t point fingers.
Real men protect their families and children.
Real men vote Democrat because it’s the right tool for the job.
MSNBC just had a piece on Santorum and they interviewed this dude a Geno’s Pizza. He said, “I don’t want to lose another soldier in Iraq, if it were up to me I’d annihilate the whole place”. He was putting forth a “common sense” argument for electing Rick.
The Republicans are up to their old vote-stealing tricks in Florida, again… See the article and comments in Sunday’s DemocraticUnderground site about how the electronic voting machines are trying to record Republican candidate votes after Democratic candidates have been selected…
Cheers.
raven @ 39
He’d do the same to Afghanistan, Syria and Iran too if he could.
cold-blooded & murderous
Oh, I forgot Lebanon…
raven at 39 — I saw that — low information voters, unite. SIGH And what you do about that in the context of an election, I have NO idea…
Not just the odds,redd….the majority in this country has had enough of this crew of pirates brand of bull
Christy Hardin Smith @
26
I’ve seen Mr. Reddhead parked happily in the casinos while Mrs. Reddhead marches off to shop. No guess work there.
Sparcatus @ 16
raven @ 9:33 am (#39)
Just how did Mr. Commonsense propose annihlating 30 million people with no U.S. casualties? Must be some weapon in our arsenal I’m not aware of.
angie @ 42
I’m not a moron, but I can usually follow moron logic. In this case, though, he’s completely lost me.
Texas hold em’ can hold em’
You know what scares me, I think more people really feel that way than we know.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 42
Christy said “Mehlman maneuver”
Just popping in with a deep curtsy for the exquisite “Kiss” photo. That Carol and Harvey flashback is pretty rich, too. You all are the masters.
scary thing is lotsa people think “nuke em” is a valid diplomatic action
Jane at 44 — you know, the interesting thing is that a lot of poker theory books read like a mathematical variation on Sun Tzu in a lot of ways. Poker is mostly math and odds, but the intangibles on reading the rest of the folks around the table come in very, very handy in reading folks in politics. The crossover is intriguing…and Rove’s very public parade of “boy genius” tap dancing lately was just calling out for someone to call his bluff. *g*
Ref:#39
I am thinking that a large part of the Republican strategy is to keep people as ignorant as possible. Hence, cut spending on education, and “no child left behind”. Ignorance is bliss. For the Republicans.
I also feel that Rove is working a bluff here, hoping that we all fold or that he gets the Ace up the river to save him. I’m all for him getting his ass sent up the river….
TeddySanFran @ 50
I’m almost afraid to ask. Does it involve “Santorum”?
I hope Mr. Reddhedd is half as good a gambler as Mrs. is a shopper, because she’s a take-no-prisoners shopper!
LJ/Aquaria
You hereabouts?
Just noticed your question & comment downstairs under “Torches…” & left a short reply there.
Thanks.
ted @56….I give that a “EWWW” award
dex @ 55
In terms of political smarts, Karl Rove is the closet thing the Republicans have to Bill Clinton. He is not to be underestimated, even when he appears to be down and out. Eyes on the prize, folks. Make sure you vote.
Yes, and it’s a pretty easy strategy to implement.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
already voted ,here in ore….no on everything except to strip the state of the right to condemn property to give to another….measure 39
Sparcatus @
16
No doubt, the fat old bastard read Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” and has made hay with 3000 year old wisdom that amounts to nothing more than, “defeat your enemy at his strengths and you have one the battle.” You take that, a sprinkling of Machiavelli and personal experience with direct mail marketing; marry that to the firm belief that the populace is a bunch of stupid oafs to be manipulated by emotional attacks, and you’ve got the gist of this asshole’s approach. That’s not genius, its just effective; but only so long as the populace are, in fact, stupid oafs. It might play in Texas forever–let’s stop it from playing all over this land!
Frank Probst @ 9:28 am (#33)
First paragraph from the Rasmussen article on their poll:
Not that I dispute your point, I’m just pointing out how ridiculous such news will be.
Karl Rove’s ‘eleventh hour plan’ to win.
PLUS!!!;
Newsweek: Al-Qaeda’s plan for ‘October surprise’
http://rawstory.com/
The first one is about the disaster money giveaway.
On gooper optimism.
Clusterfuck is telling the world that the goopers will hold both houses in no uncertain terms with no thought to the consequences if he is wrong= which is likely.
The day after the election, if goopers lose- the question will be “
So what else are you totally wrong about?
raven@49..I think about 33%..When the Iraq war started; watching the excited eyes and smiles as the bombs fell, reminded me of the crowd photos at a lynching. The wild eyes and smiles at another human being’s suffering and misfortune hasn’t changed. Limpdick’s mocking of Fox’s misfortune is a prime example of this evil in our society.
it is odd that left blogostan continues to discuss politics as if the voters are as informed as the junkies in the blogosphere. the essential rovian gambit is that most voters are ignorant of the truth and reality, leaving him able to create whatever reality he likes. he has been particularly effective at this because republicans pretty much across the board control the media that most voters listen to.
so unka karl isn’t bluffing. his confidence more than likely stems from his experience that when push comes to shove, if he spins the right tails in the closing days, he will be able to fool enough voters into staying republican and voting against the United States. recent history would tend to be in his favor.
I’d say the rosey scenario painted in polls are pretty useless given that they neither capture the ability of the republicans to sway voters with the media enabled lie and deception machine, AND they don’t account for the ability of republicans to manipulate the voting place or the count.
mama always said: hope for the best, plan for the worst.
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I suppose it’s not that different from Palestinians cheering in the streets after 9/11.
Steve @ 66
I will be voting against every single Republican on the ballot. Hey it’s the least I can do.
Great analogy, Christy. It sure looks like the GOP is drawing dead after the turn…
However, Karl Rove is used to a rigged game. Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia deal a cold deck.
We’d better be prepared for many stolen elections and demand a change of dealers.
Cliff at 70 — hence the admonition to do everything we can to get out our vote. An overwhelming vote in our favor can’t be fudged at the margins — it is too much to overcome. The way to win? Bury the bastards in our votes. Completely freaking bury them.
RawStory have obtained Henry Waxman’s list of “oversightpriorities”:
Fact Sheet
Congress’ Abdication of Oversight
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/waxman2.pdf
May the Goddess bless you, Christy!
Great post.
Karl is also working the marketing effort to his base.
Americans hate losers. If the White House—the core of the GOP power for the last five years—acts scared or even a little defeated, the base stays home, and the edges of the base start thinking they’d like to take another look at the folks acting like winners. They might start thinking, and Karl doesn’t want that, does he?
Best to appear upbeat and positive to the troops before you send them off to the battle. If you act like you know it’s certain death, they might just run away. Besides, if he doesn’t appear positive, the president of denial will fire his ass.
AND as if that ain’t enough, Karl wants the press to be thinking that there’s something behind that curtain and not be reporting the death of the GOP before the election even happens.
This is his last, desperate marketing move.
from WaPo chat ref’d above:
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In other, more local action:
Last night the phone rang. It was a recording of a candidate to MA State Leg Rep. He cited his stance on a couple of issues (I know, surprising) esp. how the WMass part of the map gets $$ compared to flow TO Boston/128. I don’t know this guy (I know – I SHOULD know) but I remember the name. Oddly, didn’t mention party affil, so I’ll look to see if he’s Dem (and around here, that’s almost a given – and he’s Irish, too!) Good GOTV tactic, imho
Frank Probst @
61
Amen on that, Frank. We’d do well to not pay any attention to Karl until 11/8. he could moon the crowd at an NFL game Sunday and I wouldn’t even want to hear about it.
Bluff?
“President Bush is playing “wizard” with the nation’s economy. He says he hopes the November election will be about the economy but it is bluster, the economic equivalent of “Mission Accomplished.” What he really doesn’t want is for anybody to look behind the curtain. For, when they do, they find enormous problems lurking.
When Bush took office, the national debt, accumulated since the founding of the nation, stood at $5.6 trillion. Today it approaches $9 trillion. By the time Bush leaves office, it will exceed $11 trillion. In only eight years, he will have created more debt than all other U.S. presidents combined.
Any thug who extorts a $3 trillion loan from the next generation and spends it today can fake the illusion of prosperity, pretending to be a “wizard,” at least for a while. But what happens when the bills come due?
Our children will pay a very heavy price for Bush’s credit card-based wizard routine. To pay off Bush’s debts, they will have to take money out of their own pockets. They will have to lower investment in their own economy. Their standards of living – and those of their children – will be irretrievably worse.”
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1029-26.htm
hey Karl: GO(P) fish!
FWIW, Charlie Cook is on MSNBC right now — and he agrees that Karl’s game face is up, but that they are in deep, deep trouble…with a general trend toward the Dems, not the GOP.
Red…that may be the only thing that saves this country…a big blue wave….’cause we keep to the trail we’re on we get to live in a bad scifi movie for our retirement
Could this be Karl’s ACE on the river-
From ABC Blotter
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..as_ta.html
I believe the overall trend is definitely on the dems side. But are many very close races. It is those races where they can pull out a win. And if a dem wins a close race, be prepared for immediately challenge by the republicans. They will not let any loss go unchallenged.
Are we ready to challenge back? Have we organized enough so that problems are well know by state parties early enough and quick enough to enable our challenges to have teeth? Because this battle is for the future of America and Bush does not want to let go.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 79
Yeah, and if you have pushed your country into unsuportable debt and severe economic crisis, you can flex that last little iron-clad finger into totalitarian control. For our own good, don’t’ya know.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
It’s an article worth reading. The important bit, for now, is the reiteration about the interest on the debt. With that, which has to be paid or the “full faith and credit” of the US goes down the toilet, the `pugs can say, we have to cut social spending, put up their fake money-saving plans to privatize all of government and eventually leave nothing but defense and debt interest.
The debt interest, let’s not forget, does not go solely to foreign concerns–a hefty bit of it goes to domestic banks, bond houses and the coupon-clipping class. High interest rates and high debt guarantee their income.
It’s all part of the plan.
Well, Froomkin’s up with another stellar column today including this gem I just had to share:
“Hendrik Hertzberg writes in the New Yorker: “The ‘dunk in water’ they were talking about is waterboarding. It has been used by the Gestapo, the North Koreans and the Khmer Rouge. After the Second World War, a Japanese soldier was sentenced to 25 years’ hard labor for using it on American prisoners. It is torture, and torture is not a no-brainer. It is a no-souler. The no-brainer is the choice on Election Day.”
He also comments on the Cheney/Blitzer interview under the headline “Lynne Cheney Explodes.”
LOL
Enjoy…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00879.html
I am VERY worried right now. Why isn’t EVERYONE talking about the ships sitting right across from Iran, and the WAR GAMES that are to be ‘played’ tomorrow? For me, THIS is the October surprise, and these ‘games’ will incite some type of ‘attack’, which will lead to us bombing the crap outta Iran!!! I have never been a cynic, but after the Rethugs stole the 2004 election, I simply will not believe that they will allow the reins of power to change hands. They have made elections irrelevant, and even though I have worked hard to help elect Democrats next Tuesday, I can’t shake the feeling that, whether or not they do some sort of trick to incite an attack, they will most certainly steal elections that are the least little bit close (it’s amazing how many important races are a ’statistical tie’). Sorry. I will be the very first one to berate myself IF DEMOCRATS PREVAIL.
Poached from DailyKos, front page:
Allen (R) 38
with leaners: 43
Webb (D) 43
with leaners: 47
http://www.dailykos.com/
(scroll down a bit)
unfortunate choice of words noted at Salon.com War Room:
TANK -
I don’t think another No. 2 is going to do it.
Anyone have the total count of No. 2s?
I lost track after 2 hundred.
I think the article makes good points in stating the obvious. But I think that there is also a taste of the drug addicts ‘magical thinking’ operating in the GOP inner circles, including Rove himself.
harriett @ 89
Harriett, I’m thinking the same but keep sane (or as close as I can get) by keeping an eye out here. Seem to be folks in the know both in the Navy and other svcs, also some keep a good eye on Wall Street — any invasion should produce a pre-attack lurry on The Street. Even Admirals have shares! It’s like in the old days, but FDL instead of CONALRAD.
T- @ 89
Actually, it’s always been the “Number 3″ guy. That’s a pretty funny description for a dispersed, loose organization like Al-Qaeda. There could be dozens of Number 3 guys, because after OBL and his trusty exec AAZ, there’s just a whole lotta followers. Some of those followere probably lead local groups or regional groups. All of those could be considered the “Number 3″ guy, near as I can tell.
Getting rid of AAZ might be big news, or it might not. I suspect we won’t be finding out if he’s still alive until after the elections, though.
the dog (not the classy ones in the paintings) has a pair of 2’s
the opponents have 2 kings showing, and one has 3, 3’s.
there is but the river card left, and the best thing he could get is another 2.
it loses, whether he bluffs or not. because one of the players just won’t fold the 3 threes.
we the people lose if the corpseraration gets the king
There is but one solitary trump card left in this “dead man’s hand”. And that would be the war card. Trouble is, the player, on this at least, is not bluffing. And with Lieberman marking the cards, more war will come.
harriett @ 89
I have been most anxious over the same issues, particularly the naval deployment. The timing is a little too convenient. Also, am not sure I agree that stock market activity would necessarily “tip” what may happen. The admirals involved in this exercise probably believe in good faith that it’s just an exercise.
However, apparently, Iran has Exocet missiles for which our surface ships have inadequate defenses. I can just imagine an “incident” happening and how it would affect the election.
Remember folks, it’s “all fear, all the time” — despite the clear indicators of who is responsible for inciting, maintaining this quiet hysteria.
raven @
70
raven, I think I get what you’re saying here, but there is a difference, I think. The Palestinians have lived with a brutal occupation and daily violence and theft of their land and we have historically championed their oppressors. I saw those pictures of the Palestinians cheering and it made me very sad. It was a snapshot though. I have lived with my “fellow Americans” and continue to see the bloodlust and the disregard for human life among way too many every day.
We, however, attacked Iraq and they had nothing to do with 9/11. We also used to be the land of the free and home of the brave… no occupation was here when we did “shock and awe”.
peace.
A return to OUR humanity would be most welcome.
angie @
17
Angie, that whole discussion was interesting. I get the impression we might have a populist sentiment cooking in our country.
via TomPaine.com
http://www.joe2006.com/blog_details.asp?id=175
Letter to NYT from Gerstein– holy baloney!!!!
stinks to high heaven.
harriett @ 88
China has the Administration over a barrel and will fuck, absolutely “FUCK ‘em like they’ve never been fucked before” if the US attacks Iran. (Don’t we owe China about $3 gazillion? Talk about calling in a debt.)
The Bushies need the Chinese to keep the North Koreans in line. If Bush bombs Iran, then all bets are off. Rove can’t bluff on this one.
I was just reading Froomkin on Cheney & “waterboarding” and some other torture stuff.
Let’s go with the “Day at the Spa” analogy, hmmmm….yeah, lessee,
Dunking/waterboarding is simply “rinse, lather, and repeat.”
Pulling someone’s fingernails out is a “manicure.”
Smearing feces on a detainee’s face is, of course, a “facial.”
What else?
_
“Gee Dubya” has made a career out of bluffing, with the help of his good buddy Karl. He doesn’t need to veto, just threaten it, and that’s been enough to get his way. He doesn’t need to actually act, just make noises about promising to act, and that’s been enough to get his way.
Gee Dubya to the Republican Congress: Don’t undermine me, or it will hurt the party.
Gee Dubya to the UN: Sure, we know where the WMDs are.
Gee Dubya to the voters: Watch out, be afraid, run for your lives (to the Republican candidates)
The funny thing is this: a bluff only works when you’ve got a strong reputation. You have to be believable in order to pull off a bluff. Gee Dubya’s reputation is shot, so all the Republicans have got is Karl’s rep.
They don’t have the polls in their favor, or Karl’d be leaking them like crazy. They don’t have strong foreign allies to speak in support Gee Dubya’s policies, because he’s stabbed them all in the back with his swagger and trash-talking. (Crusades, anyone?) They don’t have a strong economy in their favor – just some high stock prices, which are more than matched by poor employment numbers and such.
Karl’s been bluffing Joe Lieberman for years, and Joe doesn’t even know he’s been conned. But others are catching on, even if Joe isn’t, and once a bluffer’s lost his rep . . . let’s just say it is not a pretty sight.
Sleep much lately, Karl?
Great post:
MyDD: Still Carrying the Load
http://www2.boomantribune.com/…../10464/517
BobbyG @ 103
Standing hooded on a box, arms outstretched for hours: “charades.”
an interesting metaphor, but I think that it’s not the most appropriate metaphor we can come up with.
I think that this is more like the guy who is cheating on his wife. He gets away with it for a while. Each time, the wife becomes more and more suspicious. Now he gets really cocky and thinks he can get away with anything. He brings his mistress into the wife’s home and has her in his wife’s bed. The wife comes home and catches him in the act. What does he say? Wasn’t me. You didn’t see me in bed with her.
Eddie Murphy does a riff on this. It’s priceless.
These guys are caught. They can’t tell the people in the heartland that their crap “issues” are important because everyone knows someone who loves a young person who is on their third tour in Iraq. (or worse). These people are the Republican base.
The people don’t believe Rove anymore. They believe their eyes. They believe their hearts. They believe their pocketbooks.
And the stakes are much higher than money.
Are we playing with the lives of our people in uniform? It’s not a game. And yet, Rove plays like it its a game. People sense this also. Another reason not to trust him.
angie @ 97
There’s just a bit more on that widely-disseminated video here.
New thread, all…
Shorter Sun-Tzu:
He who must bluff is probably fucked.
Shorter prostratedragon:
What Christy said. (And vote Dem, and urge everyone you can to do so.)
1,319 DYAZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the rest of the Firepup Patriots:
Has anyone thought that the Rovian strategic psychology includes tryin ta convince folks that races are close enough to steal? That is, the more polls project and Democrats believe that races are closer than they really are, then the easier it is for the combination of outright fraud and voter suppression to succeed without question.
I truly believe, after reading and watching national corporate media spin this election rightward in the face of the reality of a huge Democratic lead, that we are gunna see a vote fraud effort that will make Satan blush. I have been out on the turf and even with the typical Democratic disorganization in coordinating field operations, the folks in the “‘hood” are mad as hell and are gunna vote and the wingnuts, especially the religious wingnuts are nowhere ta be seen…they don’t even answer the door anymore.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM OFF THE GROUND!!!
my concern with the ‘bluff’ discussion is that, with what I’ve seen Rove and co. do and say, they don’t usually look confident like this unless they’re assured of the win, and are only trying to get a little more out of the opposition. So, the question goes on to: what then has them feeling so confident? Could it be that they’ve taken the Stalin quote (about the vote counters being the only ones that really matter)to heart, and have pretty much stacked the vote in the count stage?
won’t stop me from voting: if you don’t play you can’t win. but, it does worry me, that people seem so complacent about the felons that we’ve elected into office…..
thanks montag @ 108– it made me so angry and sad at the time. That captures the situation in a most accurate way.
Propaganda is a very ugly and powerful tool, indeed.
It marks the beginning of the administration’s demonization of brown and Muslim peoples.
wrong thread, sorry.
I remember reading about young Karl going to debates with boxes of mostly blank index cards to intimidate the other side.
While he is smart and evil, we know enough about his tactics.
He’ll stack the deck when he can and bluff when he can’t. I expect both cheating and bluffing.
If we GOTV we can win it. I was told last night Baltimore has enough phon-a-thoners but we need to canvass Baltimore City to GOTV for Cardin and O’Malley. I’m going for a walk…….
It wasn’t just Palestinians dancing on that horrible day:
from Haaretz Monday, September 17, 2001 Elul 29, 5761 Israel Time: 00:01 (GMT 3)
byline By Yossi Melman:
“THE five [Israelis] are said to have had been caught videotaping the disaster and shouting in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery.”
Arrested, held for months by the FBI, then deported back to Israel.
Hmmm….
I think you’re right to assert that Karl Rove’s latest is nothing more than a semi-bluff. But Rove is giving off a tell here. Mike Caro, a noted poker theorist, expressed this in his Book of Poker Tells:
The gist of Caro’s Law of Tells is that poker players are actors, and as actors, they often try to disguise the strength or weakness of their hands by acting in an opposite manner.
Isn’t that exactly what Rove is doing here?
Well, there’s always the game of blackjack. Everyone can probably remember the asshole at the table that insisted hitting on sixteen when the the dealer’s up card was a four. Sooo……let’s all mimic that asshole and get up and go vote. I don’t know about anybody else, but ‘Toht’(Raiders of the Lost Ark)Rove’s over confidence scares the piss out of me, and I have no intention on going down without a rabid fight and no one else should either. His over confidence is the reason everyone should get out the vote. Fuck his poker game.
I’m highly doubt this is a bluff. The last time it looked like the D’s were going to win one and Karl said no way was when the exit polls showed Kerry ahead in Ohio. Somehow Karl knew the official totals would be different. Whether the reason is the same this time or something different, neither Karl nor George strike me as the kind of people who bluff. I don’t think George Bush would even consider playing a game that wasn’t rigged so he couldn’t lose.
There is a difference between bluffing and lying. Rove, Bush and just about everyone in the administration is a compulsive, pathalogical liar with no shred of what I would recognize as conscience. They have no problem lying because they don’t think there will ever be consequences for it that they can’t get out of with more lies. A bluff is different. When you bluff it means if your opponent has enough nerve to call you have to put up or admit you got nothin. They know they are going to get called this time.
We should remember that Republicans would rather see America destroyed than lose power, and neither their followers nor their rhetoric makes a distinction between the two. There are no limits.
This was an excellent post, but what Doyle was talking about and Sklansky’s semi-bluffing were not the same thing. Connected, but dissimilar.
On a side note Christy it’s even possible that we might have played together in Ashville, Pikeville or Whitesburg.
This is psy ops, but it is aimed at Dems or Dem-leaning independents. Solely aimed at repubs. How will the base come out to vote, if all the media and pollsters are saying Dems are going to win? What Rove is saying to them is – hey, the media are wrong. We have our own polls and we are going to win.
That’s why W was disappointed when papa Bush talked about Dems taking control of the Congress. He doesn’t want to hear that kind of talk and more importantly, he doesn’t want the base to hear that or think that.
redstateleroy at 120 — you are correct that they aren’t quite the same thing, even though the analysis going into a bluff or semi-bluff is a bit similar. I ought to have made that more clear above that I was thinking about mental analytical process as I was writing this, and trying to juggle the writing in between phone calls, and I really appreciate you clarifying for me. Thanks!
Dread Scot @ 119
Me too man, me too! I wonder, how did Karl “know”. And the main stream media rolled over and took it; “Sure, our exit polling has been honed to almost a fine science and sure it looks mathematically impossible that the ratios are off that far from the results, but there must simply be something wrong with our methods–not the election, surely.” How did Karl know? And does the fat, rat bastard know again?
EPU?
The war games in the Persian Gulf start tomorrow.
I’m sure that Rove has planned a little Tonkin Gulf drama to happen during the exercises, a little October surprise that will make us all patriotic and vote for Bush’s little allies in the house and senate.
what if Karl’s snarky smirk is because he and his peeps have the voting machines all figured out?
Please let me weigh in on this post–you have nailed it. I think this is the best post I have seen from you and your folks on the site in a very long time–yours on the mine tragedy of this time last year contends, and they are all excellent. To others posting later, please join the effort and help get out the vote on these issues.
Once more, thanks for all the efforts all of you make, the wit, the snark, and the commitment to improving our childrens’ future, not to mention ours.
What do the Republicans have to sell this year?
They have a bin laden with no bin Laden.
They had books, but there was the page scandal, … say no more.
Now they’re trying to sell “sex, lies and distortion”, but I don’t think the voters are interested in that ‘product’.
Bush might be preparing an overseas military show with flashing lights, explosions and such, but he’s done that before and the voters might be tired of it.
If Dubya has any say in the matter it will be something stupid, like claiming they’re going to win when every poll on the planet says “Dems win big!”
I say we march into Texas and stomp ‘em flat at the polls, take all their House seats and laugh at them.
Isn’t it sort of obvious Dems should win Mississippi and Louisiana? I wonder how anybody there could stand to vote for a Republican?
In re: bluffing
In “Bush’s Brain” there’s a story of Rove’s days on a high school debate team. His squad would appear for their debates with boxes and boxes of reference cards…. many more than their opponents, who tended to be psyched out by the threat of so much preparation.
In fact, 90% of the boxes Rove’s team stacked up at their table contained blank cards. It was all a ruse to intimidate the other side.
Christy, aside from the fact that you used a dirty word, “retail”, you’re right on. Well, you see I’ve worked retail more years than I’d care to admit.
Yes indeed, I think Rove has been a master bluffer. Emphasis on the “has been”.
mel-z @
125
Exactly.It is not a bluff at all. The guy knows the machines have been rigged.