Wow. I was aware that Joe knew better than to take a challenger for granted, but his internal polling must be for shit, because Dangerstein's response to the NYT endorsement of Lamont is an exercise in breathtaking hysteria.
Maybe Joe realizes that the clock is ticking, and there's only so long before the Connecticut public discovers that he's not an anti-war candidate after all. Maybe it's the fact that Chris Shays is in real trouble, and Joe's fate is tied to his. Maybe it's his position as ballot ballast or his lack of a ground game, or the fact that the $387,000 in petty cash he bought votes in urban areas with during the primary is going to guarantee that people watch him very closely this election if he tries to do it again (the Public Campaign Action Fund just blasted him over it).
Or maybe it's just that he remembers that Lowell Weicker was ahead of him by 6 points in the polls the day before the election in 1988. Whatever it is, Joe seems to be having a complete melt-down with a week to go. Sane people do not hoover up an 8 ball, wash it down with a bottle of Scotch then start typing and send it to the New York Times in a race you've raised $15 million to fight.
The Lieberman panic room seems to be getting a wee bit crowded.
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Yes!
Behind the 8 ball with you Joey!
Another “nag-a-thon” post over at Lamont’s blog – maybe we can help?
I will call and fax. Thanks to whoever is working on this……
Sorry, but I gotta repost this for the new thread. It took long enough to write, after all. It’s about the event in Columbus with Michael J. Fox.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
I know Jon Stewart has come to our city this week as well. I heard about that way back in the summer, and immediately heard that the tapings were already full to capacity.
Lieberman sworn in as minister after winning Knesset approval
Nabil Sha’ath, an adviser to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, called Lieberman’s entry into the government an “ugly message and ugly symbol of the direction this Israeli government is taking.”
Joe Lieberman is a little little man.
Jane, you make a good point about people being alerted to Lieberman’s likely vote-buying tendencies.
I will be volunteering in Connecticut and I will certainly pay special attention to this matter during my time in the state.
Lieberman, Gerstein, et. al. should know that they are being closely watched this time around.
mmm, delicious is the scent of fear. Now let’s see how it trips him up…
Am I the only one who thinks of Danger Mouse when I hear about Dan Gerstein? Danger Stein? Like he’s a bumbling beer mug or something?
Renee in Ohio @ 4
Renee, good post.
Jane: Dangerstein says that Joe Lieberman:
Created the Homeland Security Department, which the Bush Administration initially opposed
Established the 9/11 Commission over the Bush Administration’s objections
Passed the most sweeping reforms of our intelligence system in half a century, based on the 9-11 Commission’s recommendations
but, really:
Congress still hadn’t improved its oversight of intelligence agencies; those agencies still weren’t cooperating with each other or with law enforcement; airline cargo still wasn’t being fully checked for explosives; and the government still hadn’t figured out how to keep terrorists off airplanes without ensnaring harmless citizens. http://www.govexec.com/story_p…..;dcn=e_hsw
So which is it Joe????????????
Kay Bailey Hutchison on CNN…
Saddam kicked out the weapons inspectors in 1998
Ah, no, he didn’t
Some people are saying Schwartz Rosenbaumbergowitz has endorsed Joseph.
wrong keyboard button: he pushed “Print Screed“
Maybe it’s just a case of brain vaporlock from a supersized slushee…
;>)
I completely agree. Clearly Lieberman4Lieberman is seeing some significant slippage among supporters who value the NYTimes’ editorial page.
Does Dangerstein always foam at the mouth like that? Ahh, I love the smell of flop sweat…. it smells like VICTORY.
Any news on the Thurs night debate? I’d love to see Ned and Schlessenger go at it with an empty podium between them. Even if Joe shows up, it’s an empty podium.
If Joe loses (fingers tightly crossed), what do you want to bet he moves out of CT?
pollster.com has the race 9 points apart. A visit from Al and Bill and Barak would be just the thing to get him over the hump. Call! Fax! Email!
susan @ 18
Well, where could he show his face and not be laughed out of town? Or, even worse, the pitying looks and whispers behind his back…
John Casper @ 15
When we went out yesterday door to door in New London (which Ned won by 2 votes in the primary) we had mad our own copies of the NYTimes endorsement. For folks that were on the fence and for those who were supporting Ned who had friends they needed to talk to, they were glad to take our copies of the Times piece. This was New London which was FAR away from the NY Metro area. They were pleased to have it.
Per darkblack at 4:24, how come Dangerstein’s letter doesn’t mention the $387,000
slushPETTY cash fund?Maybe Joe spent the $387,561 on hookers?
Marion in Savannah @ 20
He could always go to Israel.
barak is going to be on Al Franken’s show tomorrow. He won’t take callers, but maybe enough emails or comments on his blog would put Barak on the spot.
just a thought.
nice three-in-row:
CA-04
Doolittle (R) 49 (52)
Brown (D) 46 (44)
CA-11
Pombo (R) 46
McNerney (D) 48
C0-04
Musgrave (R) 45 (47)
Paccione (D) 48 (41)
susan @ 18
Maybe the missing petty cash is a down payment on new digs “just in case.” Hopefully, it will mysteriously turn up when he loses.
I liked the part about how the eevvvviiiilllll bloggers tried to purge Joe from the Democratic party.
Uh Joe, you’re the guy who refused to accept the will of the Democratic party voters in the CT primary. You’re the one who is runnning as the nominee of a ‘political’ party of one.
After the smoke clears and people take their seats, look for a lot of Joe slop-over in the hallowed halls. They didn’t want Ned, but they’re gonna get an influx of those who rode in on his wake (anti-Bush, anti-war). Joe’s not gonna like seeing Ned’s face in all those new people. He’s not gonna like their voices. And neither are the big-ass dems who turned their backs on Ned.
They’ll have their Cup-o-Joe everyday, more than likely, but with two more years of stay the motha-effing course coming out of both W and Joe…well they’ll get what they asked for.
Disgusted….
President Bill Clinton is coming to Tucson on Thursday to support Jim Pederson
Yes I want Jim Pederson to win but…. but… can’t he get his ass up to CT to campaign for Ned?
Jane (and many other rabid bloggers) are really getting under his skin. Don’t it feel good? :)
The New York Times endorsement enraged Lieberman because he has NEVER accepted the legitimacy of Lamont running.
pwstrain @
19
pollster.com’s latest poll in the CT Senate race ,October 28, the Rasmussen poll has Joe up 8 points 48 – 40. Anytime an incumbent is below 50, it shows that s/he’s vulnerable.
The previous Rasmussen poll, October 3, had Joe up 11, so there is definitely a Lamont surge.
One wonders if the “slush fund,” er, um, petty cash went to poll watchers in areas where there are Diebold machines…
Just got a new tinfoil hat, and I’m checking out the ear flaps to see how it fits…
(And if anyone could tell me how to do that cool strikethrough thing I’d be grateful… couldn’t seem to get it to close…)
Ruby Tuesday @
28
Purged from the Democratic Party?
Hm.
More like one of El Gato Negro’s hairballs hacked up at long last, and now kitty feels all better now that the hairball isn’t hurting his tummy anymore, thanks.
John Casper @ 33
Tom Swan was on the Young Turks this morning and said that if Ned was within 5 on election day, we could pull it off. Can we make up 3-5 points in a week? If HoJo keeps acting out like this I should think so!
$387K… that’s a shitload of 8 balls… tough, but doable… I tried… back in the day…
Marion in Savannah.
Whereever, you want the
“strike,”highlight that text. Then hit the “S” button above the text box. It’s in between “U” and “Code.” That should put the open and close tags around what ever you want struck.RevDeb @ 36
Schlessinger could pull away a pt or two, Ned needs to finish strong.
And a lot of those polls are not accounting for the Republicans who will vote Republican, no matter what. They may say they’ll vote for Leiberman…but they’re not gonna be able to do it. Not after reviling him as “Loserman” in 2000. Not all of them anyway. Not even a majority of them will turn their backs on the party. If he breaks 30% Repub support, I’d be amazed.
Uptown @ 30
Schlessinger has gone from 5 to 9%. With another debate, if he doesn’t come off like a nut job he could pick up a couple more points. But that’s a big IF.
katymine @ 30
Is it possible that if he did go to CT to campaign for Ned that Dangerstein would spin it as pay-back for when Prissy Joe got up on his hind legs and called out the Big Dog about Monica? I can hear the whining now… “he’s only here as pay-back… Joe was right… Joe is moral… etc., etc., etc….
Sonoma Rus @ 31
It probably itches in places he can’t scratch…
RevDeb @ 41
But he is also getting his first commercials on the air this week
John Casper @
15
When the Massachusetts Irregulars (RevDeb and Mr. RevDeb, Selise, Kathryn and me) walked neighborhoods in New London, CT, this weekend, we handed out not only new Ned Lamont literature — great color handouts — but also brought copies RevDeb had made of the NYT editorial. We found that this was a good closer for those we talked to.
John Casper @ 38
THANKS!
Maybe I’ll be crying on Wednedsay, and I doubt it, but I never thought that Ned will lose. And he won’t. After all, cheap as I am, I would never have spent all that money on someone who wasn’t going to win.
Yeah, yeah, I know I gave a lot to Marcy Winograd, too. But, to be honest, I really had only dim hopes she’d defeat Harman. The point was to make a point and wake Harman up. Evidently, it was successful. Money well spent as well.
LJ/Aquaria @ 40
I’m not so sure about that. These are CT moderate repubs. True there are a number of wing nuts, but New England still holds on to that rare breed of moderates who consider themselves to be reasonable. Joe could appeal to a number of those types, but then again so could Ned.
If Redshift’s lawn sign census has any validity at all, Ned would win in a heartbeat. It will be close no matter what.
ANYONE who can get to CT to help out in the final days, PLEASE come!
scarecrow at 4:47 pm
Big props to all of you, RevDeb and Mr. RevDeb, Selise, Kathryn, that’s commitment.
No matter the outcome on Nov 7, if things don’t perhaps go the way I think they should, and though I may be disappointed, I will pick myself up and get right back into the game. All I will be thinking about is 2008, and how to win. But make no mistakie, the Demos will take both houses this coming election day. And we will have a Democrat in the White House in two years. And oh yeah, Lamont, Webb, and Charlie Brown will win.
Oroville Mercury Register Endorses Brown for Congress!
October 29th, 2006
Today the Oroville Mercury-Register joined a growing list of 4th District newspapers, including the Modoc Country Record, Sacramento Bee, Sacramento News and Review, and Tahoe Daily Tribune in it’s endorsement of Charlie Brown for Congress.
I like the fact that in his rant he contantly refers to Ned as “Mr. Lamont”, and usually refers to Joe as “Lieberman”. A basic lack of respect from his campaign spokesman? That’s telling.
From the Dept of I-listen-to-wingnut-radio-so-you-don’t-have-to:
Anything to the left of Mussolini makes scientific curiosity Weiner-Savage wet his pants in fear, and apparently the GOPervs just don’t swing far enough to the right for him. He’s peeved that he wasn’t invited to the White House Wingnut Wadio Wingding, so he’e taking his “ball” (he has just one), and going home. No endorsements for the Rethugs — he says they’re just as bad as the commies (i.e. everyone to the left of Il Duce). His callers are dispirited and unenthusiastic about the election.
Rove must be tearing his last few hairs out.
John Casper @ 49
hear, hear!
Tweety’s got the florida governor canididates on “debating”. If someone listens without concern for who’s the gooper- I suspect that they would decide to stay home rather than vote for either of these mat heads.
It’s all about GOTV. And it’s about GOTV that targets those most at risk and those least likely to have been polled.
Young people with cell phones, especially young women.
Sic ‘em, gang; maybe some women should be trolling the beauty parlors, hair salons and manicure shops this weekend to GOTV.
RevDeb @
21
RevDeb and Scarecrow- I surely hope that the Lamont campaign is making copies of this editoral for ALL of the canvassers to hand out, not just the folks like you who take the initiative to make/ get your own copies.
It really is a damning editorial.
CAN you Push this to the Lamont folks, if you haven’t done so already? xxooo
p.s. totally frustrating for me that my work schedule stops me from coming to CT- and I’ll be working election eve too. OUch.
two beers @ 52
That won’t take long.
Per Dangerstein:
Partisan…WTF?
Is “Dances with Weasels” Gerstein suggesting the NYT is supporting a Democrat over a Repuglican?
Doh!!! For once, he got it right!
katymine @ 30
No. He never will. Bill has stated that he puts personal loyalty above what’s best for the Dem party. Joe is an old friend. Therefore Bill will ignore all the Dems up for election in CT.
Don’t get me started.
UptownNYChick @ 44
Ther were three positive letters to the editor about Schlesinger in ‘The Day’(NewLondon) today.
If Ned loses, he still won so much for us all. He showed the way to fight back. And he fought magnificently against overwhelming odds.
And he has also set the stage for the new congressional dynamics that will happen between now and 08. Whether they honor what the people want–what Ned wants–or whether they crawfish back down their holes and wait out W’s demise, well, that depends upon a lot of factors.
But the dems are fixin to acquire some power. Will they be brave about it? We know Ned would be, might still be.
two beers @
52
Truly the basement crowd. Let’s buy ‘em a new shortwave.
xyz @ 7–
It would be great if as many volunteers as possible could take digital cameras with them just in case they see anything. Personally, I’m convinced that the $387,000 went to pay for at least an additional 3000 votes since Joe knew he was behind in the last two weeks of the primary, and that’s the time period in which the money was spent. When you read the article on the current Congress in Rolling Stone Magazine, it’s pretty clear that we have the most corrupt Congress ever and that these guys just don’t care. When a congressman stashes $90,000 in his freezer, anything is possible.
Re panic,
He seems a man who has lost his towel.
UptownNYChick @ 44
I always pegged Schlesinger to get around 12 to 15% of the vote, After all he is a major party candidate. That extra 3 to 6% comes right out of Joe’s hide. That brings the race to within 2 to 5%, almost the margin of error.
Now, factor in the GOTV, where Joe has got to be weaker, having no party or unions behind him, and a bit of momentum for Ned, and Bingo! – Senator Lamont.
Chew on that, Chuck Schumer.
Cafferty file read all the answers from viewers on his question, “Who do you suppose got all the missing weapons in Iraq?” The answers were great; all angry, all snarky. I hope we see more of that story, cause it’s a killer for George I-will-never fire-Rumsfeld Bush. We could use come statements by Dem party, especially Murtha and Webb and other vet Dem candidates.
1970cs @ 60
If he can up his visbility, it would help.
It’s really too bad he doesn’t have a better web presence.
RevDeb @ 41
I don’t know – there are plenty of wingnuts in CT. Don’t sell his appeal short.
For instance, immigration is a huge issue in Danbury. We just about had the KKK marching through town a month or so ago (of course stirred up by a Republican mayor). It was ugly and horrendous.
I think Schlesinger will come in between 15 & 20%
LOL– CNN calling the chimp Commander in Chief and Cheerleader in Chief.
LOL! Shades of the frog-blowing-up frat boy!
BTW, wasn’t there supposed to be a response to the complaint filed by the Lamont campaign (Tom Swan) about the cash money thing? Haven’t seen news of that, tho maybe missed it.
ccmask @
23
And Joe blow.
This is my campaign meltdown, and it FREAKS ME OUT!!!
dab from CT @ 59
I am extremely disappointed in both Clintons. And I won’t forget.
On GOTV, don’t forget to talk at work and at church… Sometimes people who are not as active or savvy politically, or have a family crisis, can lose track of when election day is… I know that when I’ve mentioned “well, I’m off to vote” I’ve had people say “Oh, it’s today?”
Well, as a caveat you might not want to let Repugligans know…
as a matter of fact, I can’t find his web site.
grayslady @ 63
Been thinking some more about that missing cash. Methinks a chunk of it went to get the signatures he needed to get his name on the ballot in his party of one. He did all of that very quietly and under the radar.
Just a thought.
Rayne @ 55
Sort of makes me wish I lived in CT. And was young. And a woman.
mutzali @ 51
At least Gerstein doesn’t refer to Ned as the Nedster or the Full Lamonty, like his web site does.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
Well, there’s not really any way to get back at Bill, but I sure would like to see someone primary the fuck out of Hillary in (sigh) 2012. Or for her to abandon her Senate seat in 2008 to run for president and get totally crushed and humiliated by AlGore.
And Schumer. I really really want to see that slimy useless DLC bastard Schumer go down in flames in (sighs again) 2010.
grayslady @
63
My theory is that it went to buy the signatures he needed on his documentation for Connecticut For Lieberman.
I really like that keyboard panic button (wish I could find it on my keyboard).
I think Schlessinger will pick up 14% pretty easy and I don’t think that is being a starry-eyed optimist by any stretch…
KO says that the chimp is no longer charging for entry into his campaign stops, he is now lying for free.
UptownNYChick @ 75
Schlesger2006.com
angie @ 82
It’s not like he’s in danger of running out.
Olbermann – “Bush is now not charging admission for his appearances. That’s right, he’s lying for free”.
Yay, Keith!
CNN — Bill Schneider reporting that given 58 percent disapproval of Bush, and deeply uppopular war in Iraq, the election is turning into a referendum on Bush/Republican regime. Just keep saying it.
Now he says Dems are worried about a last minute “November Surprise.” e.g., verdict/sentencing of Saddam.
Mad Dogs –
isn’t it “Dances with Weevils” Gerstein?
Must. Type. Faster.
I’m thinking Olbermann is fired up tonight.
tommy yum @
62
These people can’t be reached. It’s probably best to let them stew in ignorance in their cellars where they can’t do any harm to civilized folk.
Attention wingnuts: Please stay calm and in your shelters until we sound the all clear.
1970cs @ 83
oops. schlesinger2006.com
Morris Sheppard @ 77
I went canvassing one Saturday with a very pretty junior from Western CT State U. It was amazing how nice the men were who answered the door – and how open to discussion they were. :-)
Winning votes for Ned, one man at a time.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 73
You can only be disappointed if had expectations. Me, not so much.
jayt @ 88
But you reported it more accurately ;>)
it was great, he didn’t even wait for a special comments moment, he just said “lying” from the start!
1970cs @ 91
Thanks. That is a pretty sad website.
The Repugs really let him die on the vine.
angie @ 94
It is refreshing to see a journalist just take Bush’s lying as a given, rather than something to be carefully tiptoed around with he-said, she-said balancing statements.
CNN just posted the IQ for America: A poll of perceptions of Michael J. Fox, he gets 75% approval and 14 % disapproval. And Fox is a lot more popular than Rush Limbaugh. Kudos to Michael –he’s getting it done.
UptownNYChick @ 95
An occasional sacrifice is necessary for the greater good of the hive.
HRC. You have failed your party. You have failed your country. You have failed the American soldier. But most importantly, you have failed yourself.
Hey Tommy Yum, I was really sorry to hear Rickie Lee Jones had to pull out of your tour. Did Ned’s people have any ideas on a replacement?
FWIW, IIRC, Linda Ronstadt got booed in Vegas a couple of years ago for bringing up Iraq. The Dixie Chicks are trying to promote their new SHUT UP AND SING, movie. Anyone from CSNY, Joanie Mitchell, Dylan, Arlo Guthrie, ….I doubt any would tour with you, but they might meet you at a few stops.(I realize that kind of coordination with Rock-n-roll stars is dicey at best)
Apologies if this has been covered in other threads, thanks again for all you do.
From Jerome at MyDD
works for me.
RevDeb @ 48
Hm. I guess it depends on how many crossovers Leiberman has garnered in the past. Not so familiar with CT patterns of voting as I am with some other states. California is a good example. You’ll have the Republicans there who don’t agree with their candidates on much, say they won’t vote for the Republican…then they do. They do it over and over and over, even when he’s batshit insane. I mean, how else could Bob Dornan get re-elected? People in OC knew the guy was nuts, even the people who were voting for him knew that key fact…but they couldn’t bring themselves to vote D, even when they knew they were voting for the stupidest, most delusional person not committed to an asylum.
Schlesinger is nutsy, but he’s not Dornan nutsy (then again–WHO IS?).
It’s like you said: If a Republican is gonna break ranks because he’s that dissatisfied with his candidate, he might as well do it for Ned as for Joe. If the determinant is a desire to be this “reasonable moderate” New Englander you describe, I think they will break more for Ned than for Joe. The ones who consider themselves “reasonable” and/or “moderate” aren’t going to like the affiliations Joe has with what has them turning on the current manifestation of the Republican party. If you’re mad about the direction Bush is taking the party, you don’t vote for someone who plays patsy for him. I don’t think they’d like the candidate pimped hardest by the people they’re mad at, either. Moreover, I think a lot, and I do mean a LOT, of Republicans in CT, of any stripe, are not going to be happy about having the national party turn their backs on one of their own. CT Rs may not care that much for Schlesinger…but he is who they chose for their candidate. How dare Rove and Mehlman and all those others NOT support their choice?
A lot of stuff is at play in CT, and not much of it helps Leiberman. In fact, a lot of it actively hurts him.
But that’s just my .02. I could be wrong. I have been before.
Renee in Ohio @
4
Renee, that was a good post. Thanks. I also enjoyed reading about Bernie et al.
Eli @ 96
AFAIK, Olbermann is still the only national voice who will come right out and say the word “lie”.
OldCoastie @ 87
South of the Mason/Dixon line, you betcha! North of it where the tundra can’t support it, gotta be Weasels! *g*
dab from CT @ 92
Yeah, that works. I talked to an 80 year old woman who asked if I wanted to come in the house and have a chocolate peanut butter candy? She thought I was trick or treating. I listed her as “leaning Ned.”
LJ/Aquaria @ 102
I haven’t looked at any Q polls since about August, but the last I saw Joe was polling at something like 70-75% among CT Republicans. About 5 points higher than Bush, in fact. So I think he’s going to do better than 30% with them. Hopefully not all of that 70-75% votes for him, though.
Mad Dogs @ 105
Gerstein is a poll (we)evil
Valley Girl @
70
Does tomorrow mark the fifth business day after the Lamont campaign filed its complaint with the Federal Elections Commission? Will the response to the complaint be publicly disseminated?
Mad Dogs @ 105
Well, in certain parts of the Deep South it might be “Dances With Palmetto Bugs.” (For those who have never seen a palmetto bug, they are HUGE roaches…. and I mean HUMUNGOUS. Ask TRex later, he’ll tell you.
Josh has a zen moment:
Jane, I appreciate everything you’ve done but i have to ask you a question: Why have you refused to get after Barbara Boxer in reaction to her continued support for Joe Lieberman?
She is YOUR Senator (You’re a California voter, correct?) and you, in the position you occupy, might be able to have held some sway with her. Yet, you have never mentioned contacting her (or Dianne the Repuke in sheep’s clothing) to put fire to their feet.
Please, ma’am, why is that?
Anybody who supports Lieberman should be a target in their next primary cycle and it is incumbent upon all of us to do our best to throw out the traitors to our party.
So please, tell me why you haven’t contacted Senators Boxer and Feinstein?
scarecrow @ 106
scarecrow has a lovely smile and twinkle in his eye that just charms the sweet older ladies. He’s a charmer.
Next election cycle we take the lists to another level and target the canvassers to the canvassed. THAT would be revolutionary.
Renee in Ohio @
4
Renee thank you so very much for sharing your experience and DAMN the cameras and their operators who disrespected the disabled and the thug who thought it funny.
The disabled deserve to sit up where it is most convenient for them.
Eli @ 107
Wasn’t that at the height of the big push for Leiberman. It’s died down a lot since then. Anybody got recent R polling data re: Leiberman?
For you CT folks- (and as I said above, so frustrated I can’t be there)-
Howsa bout discretely dropping off a few copies here and there in places where people have to hang around- laudromats, bank lines, etc. of the NYT pro-Lamont editorial? Or is that too chancy?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @
112
New around here?
Eli @ 107
I think the big unknown in this is the ballot placement. JoeLie will be at the bottom of a list, neither dem or repig. For those CT voters who have been living in a cave the last few months who bother to vote, this will seem quizzical. Will people go looking for Joe? Hard to know.
Guitar at 112 — did you somehow miss the whole e-mail/phoning/contact campaign we did about Boxer before the primary? Do you think she is not well apprised of exactly how folks here feel? Jeebus — what the fuck do you think we do all day, sit around, twiddle our thumbs and try wishing upon a star for good measure?
I’m working on it RevDeb. Hey, if I’m sitting here eating Halloween candy does that make me a bad person?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 112
been there, done that with Boxer. faxed this to her on July 6, lot of good that did:
DiFi Inc. is just hopeless, so no point in bothering with her.
BILL SCHNEIDER, SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST (on camera): Wolf, all politics is local?
Nonsense. This election is looking more and more like a national referendum, a negative referendum.
snip
SCHNEIDER: Forty percent of Democratic voters say they are voting to express opposition to the Republican candidate. Less than half as many Republicans say their vote is driven by opposition to the Democrat.
Another factor going for Democrats: enthusiasm. Sixty-five percent of Democrats say they are more enthusiastic than usual about voting this year. That number has gone up in the past month. Fifty- three percent of Republicans say they are more enthusiastic than usual. That number has not gone up.
The issue driving all that negative energy? Iraq. The war remains deeply unpopular.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.01.html
A rising tide lifts all boats, including Lamont’s ; )
katymine @
30
katymine, see if you can get close enough to ASK him? Make a sign? Build a “kiss” float? lol…i’m brainstorming here!
lisadawn82 @ 120
I know you are. Looking forward to seeing you again. At the same time, I’m hoping to meet some new FDL folks. So much to do, so little time.
For those who have never gotten really involved in a campaign it sure gets the adrenaline flowing. I can’t think of any place I’d rather be than with the blogger activists on election night after spending days doing everything from planting lawn signs to poll watching.
I like Rayne’s idea of hitting up malls, beauty salons and nail parlors to talk to younger women this weekend. Unless it’s past the deadline for registering to vote in your state.
Me, I voted today. Got to talk to our Dem DA candidate. He was very sweet. I don’t usually say that about lawyers. No offense to the fine ones here at the Lake.
“How long will we let our young soldiers be mocked and used? How long will we allow President Bush to treat them as disposable soldiers—like toys a rich kid gets for Christmas?”
From:
Ray McGovern 10-30-06
TomPaine
lisadawn82 @ 120
Yes, Lisa, it does. Those were for the kids, tomorrow.
punaise @
108
wow punaise, you’re amazing. Do you save these up in a little book somewhere, so you can spring them out when you need them? Or do you just think them up on the fly?
Valley Girl @ 116
Well, gosh, if I’m in the bank and I happen to be in oh, two areas, and “forget” some papers….
Well, having read Gerstein’s rather extensive letter to the NYT – I have to wonder – does he not know that if you want a newspaper to actually publish a letter to the editor, it should come in at less than 50 bazillion words?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 109
Ah… I was counting five business days from when it was sent, not from the day it (probably) would have been received. Add one day. As what will be done with the response, honestly I have no basis to even guess.
oops – double post
I am so sick of Joe Lieberman, and I am even more upset my state’s Senator, Mary Landrieu, campaigned for him. But to Mary’s credit, she at least has accomplished more in one year than Joe has accomplished in 18 years. In his letter to the editorial board of the NYT, Lieberman lists accomplishments that are largely those of his colleagues. At least Mary delivers for her state.
Fern @ 130
Have you ever poured vinegar on baking soda?? Once the foaming starts you can’t stop it….
Marion in Savannah @
34
Marion, you use the “less” and “greater than” signs over the comma and period respectively. Start at the beginning of the word or phrase you want to strike out, use the symbol over the comma to begin, and right after that symbol, type the word STRIKE. Right after the word STRIKE, use the symbol over the period. THEN, at the end of the word or phrase, use those brackets again to enclose: /strike .(The slash is important, as it closes the tag.) After the symbol, put in a space and type the new word or phrase.
Another way is to highlight the phrase you want to strike out, click on the CODE button over the edit box, and you’ll see the words CODE and /CODE enclosed in those brackets. Replace CODE and /CODE with STRIKE and /STRIKE, leaving the brackets in place.
I just previewed this, and that’s as clear as I can make it. Hope it helps.
OUCH- FDL is loading reallllllly slowly for me… like being back on dialup!!!
Marion in Savannah @ 135
I use that formulation to keep my kitchen and bathroom drains clear and I am totally serious.
LOL!
LindyH @ 135
Or you could just highlight and click the “S” button.
punaise @ 133
Umm… Probably a misprint here…. “dismay” needs to be replaced with “delight.” Editorial staff will take care of it, I’m sure…
Fern @ 130
I’d be surpprised if he actually sent it. That was simply meant to reassure any supporters that might have waivered and fire up the rest.
In sports terms, he used the NYT editorial for lockerroom material.
Jane Hamsher @
117
Perhaps new enough to not have seen you write about that. Please enlighten me. Thanks!
dismay come as a surprise…
Valley Girl @ 136
I thought it was just me. Glad I’m not imagining things. *g*
Lindy H,
Thanks for letting me know how to do what I REALLY wanted to do in that post but couldn’t get to work. You’re a peach!
Eli @ 139
LOL…so much easier. I’ve NEVER noticed that button. so used to coding by hand.
Rev Deb – absolutely. That’s what Bloomberg does – it’s essentially one-to-one marketing – and there is absolutely no reason why the Dem party can’t do something like that.
If you do targeted canvassing it’s much more effective than the scatter shot stuff we’re doing now.
What about tax relief?
Mad Dogs @ 143
Maybe FDL will have to ban ziggurats on election eve- they do make things load more slowly (I hear). But there must be some other problem- and I have had same on and off for the past few days. Server overload? No idea, really, but I am wondering what’s gonna happen on election eve…. access wise… and more, of course.
RevDeb @
118
What percentage of Connecticut voters traditionally vote a straight Democratic ticket? What percentage of Connecticut Republican voters traditionally split their tickets? Will Connecticut allow voting for a straight Connecticut for Lieberman ticket?
Valley Girl @ 148
I’ve heard that ziggurats are really tough to quit.
From ABlog: Chicago Trib and Sun-Times both endorse Tammy Duckworth in suburban Chicago
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..dorse.html
Valley Girl, I think you have a point. It’s slow for me too. My guess is that from now on EVERYBODY who has EVER been to FDL will be wanting to see what’s shaking. Maybe a “ziggurat ban” (with an explanation for newbies of what a “ziggurat” is) might be in order.
Talk about slow. PBS did a thing the other night saying that Japan delivers 10-20 times faster internet speed for their users for less money, than we have to pay.
Marion- I leave that to Punaise, bec. I think he coined the term. If he doesn’t show up, I’ll oblige later.
Rev Deb – in past elections the Republican “running” against Lieberman have gotten over 30%. And that’s without any kind of campaign – ads, debates, etc.
That’s why I don’t think predicting Schlesinger at 15% is unreasonable. He thinks he’ll get in the 20s.
Aside from that, the biggest block of voters are Unaffiliated.
I thought we were going to be committing as ritual sacrifice of Joe’s Senate career atop a ziggurat.
Eli @
84
How does he do it? Volume Volume Volume!
Eli @ 150, ziggurats are a tough addiction to overcome. But do you want The Ladies of the Lake coming after you with the taser? Remember TRex and his “little problem” ….
Guitar PB, you might want to reconsider the request.
FDL has a search function for past posts, just type in Boxer’s name.
We hammered Barbara when she campaigned for Joe before Ned kicked his ass in the primary. Look for the posts containing CT Bob’s YouTube of Boxer and Joe
fleeing the people asking Joe questions he doesn’t want to answer, expecially on Choicetogether, among others.IIRC, the day after the primary, Boxer released a statement that she was supporting the winner of the Democratic primary in CT 4 the U.S. Senate and she sent Ned some cash.
OT, Boxer was a “player” in the primary, because she is widely seen as a “liberal.” Ned’s being hurt by moderates, so I don’t see what help Boxer is going to be in this election.
The “Hamshers of the left,” sadly have
too manyenough targets. While not perfect, Boxer is pretty good and a lot better than DiFi.If the Dem party, e.g., DCCC or DNC wanted to help the three Dem candidates trying to win Repub House seats, a very good way would be to fund some generic adds about the war and describe the mistakes of “those who supported it.” Something like the Wes Clark ad, but applied more broadly. Such and add would help not only the House candidates but also Lamont. Worth pursuing?
Don’t know if Jane’s still here but I remember her and/or Christy saying they’d gone in with MyDD and Crooks & Liars to get a special deluxe humungous blow-out-proof election night package(comes with a dozen free chicken wings and a 24 of soda, IIRC).
punaise @ 156
But that’s AFTER the election, when we can all relax and celebrate…
Marion in Savannah @ 158
Maybe some Nicotrel would help.
Marion in Savannah @ 163
Big blowout next Wednesday: After #1 and the ritual “Fitz!” every comment will be required to quote all the comments before them.
OT:
Speaking as someone who has weathered this storm before…
Although (unlike some bloggers who presume to speak for all of their chosen segment of humanity, whether they like it or not) I cannot speak for Billmon, it is my opinion that those who would accuse us of doing this for humor, or out of racist or anti-semitic impulses are at worst, morons with a crayon-scribbled agenda, and at best, misinformed.
For myself, my work was not done for a cheap laugh, but to highlight a situation in as blunt a fashion as possible.
Humor doesn’t enter into it at all, and if someone finds humor within such a work then that is reflective of what is within themselves.
I found nothing humorous about it, and I authored the work…So falsely ascribing my motivations in such a way earns the incuriously undiligent a great big ‘fuck you’, SWAK.
As for this ‘feminization’ crap being bandied about like so much community college Psych 101…Putting a man in a dress and female makeup is ‘feminizing’ them.
Such as this
…and is meant to mock and scorn the rampantly uber-macho public stance of those who would and do oppress women by word and deed… Not to demean women in any way by such an association.
The imprecise usage of the term by some would indicate an unfamiliarity with the topic referenced, and like so much else of the sound and fury within the navel-gazing aspect of the blogosphere…
It’s unsurprising.
hey firedogs ,
y’all think it’s slow tonight ?!?! wait another
171 hours, 54 minutes *g*
have lots of threads to catch up on – try and meet up with ya in a bit
HotFlash- thanks for info. I didn’t see that. Right now is really tough work-wise, so often I don’t get to read everything.
ziggurats occur with multiple nested comments, where we get those boxes within boxes. perhaps Matryoshka doll would be just as apt. eventually they bust out the margins and make the page go wacky. anyway, there’s no clear dictate on the number of “allowable” nests, as far as I know. above four or five, it’s better to knock out some of the blockquotes.
x
EPU’d
KathieinMN says:
October 30th, 2006 at 6:01 pm *
Mrs. K8 @
141
Kathie –
I’m sorry that I have to go out right now to do physical therapy, and can’t scout around too much right now, but 2 websites I think would be worth a look –
democrats.org
thinkprogress.org
Poke around on both sites, I would think there would be something handy there.
Good luck at your school!
Will you be leaving papers in public areas on campus? Wouldn’t want to see you get in trouble if you push literature in class….
Hi Ms K8!
Thanks for your input! My class is a grad class of piano teachers this semester – and don’t plan to do much with them (other than what I might put on my bulletin board inside. But I am allowed to post anything I want in my studio -) and I have people I interact with that are outside of school that I would like to have something to give to them.
I only have the next three days to do these things where my students would read them (Thus my message of ‘only a few hours’; Actually, that’s it!)
Thanks again!
Kathie
Thanks so much!!!
On Joe Scarborough — Joe, Pat Buchanan, guy (Michael Crowley) from the New Republic and Joan Walsh from Salon all converging on the idea that the election is a referendum on Bush and his regime/leadership. Keep saying it.
Eli @ 163
Wouldn’t you rather have Nicotrel living with Nomentum trying to break his addition to Repuglicans? It would seem to be a better use of his time…. (and I did howl!)
Marion in Savannah @ 171
Oh, I would love to see Nicotrel imparting Joe some discipline and self-control.
Wow, that’s a whole lotta “WAAAAAAAAH!” goin’ on over at DroopyDawgBlog.
darkblack @ 166
Whatever you do, don’t mention the war.
Valley Girl @
169
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Valley Girl @ 178
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From Dangerstein’s letter:
Instead, the Times’ ILL-INFORMED AND TENDENTIOUS ENDORSEMENT of Ned Lamont reads as if the editors had outsourced the editorial writing to the same crew of blindingly angry bloggers who have teamed with the Lamont Campaign to twist Joe Lieberman’s record beyond all recognition.
If you were professional communicators, instead of blindingly angry bloggers in your parents’ basements, you’d understand HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO USE THE ALL-CAPS KEY to emphasize important points. THE AUDIENCE IS STUPID. YOU CAN MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND BY SHOUTING.
Valley Girl @ 178
tiny ziggurat- picture for newbies.
new thread folks– something about bathing the porcine inclined.
Valley Girl @
176
marks the spot
DANGERSTEIN! sez:
Shouldn’t you have been doing that already, Danny Boy? (As you will soon be known….)
Anyone watching the Pats’ game? Wondering if Ned get the Wes clark ad on during that one too.
superdude @ 178
I AGREE WITH SUPERDUDE!!!!!!
Eli @ 150
It wasn’t any harder for me than getting off the normal rats.
Hi Christy,
I went back and read what I think was the Boxer thread and HERE is what I thought was the most telling post of all:
Christy Hardin-Smith says
There is a real disconnect going on in the blogosphere, regarding who are our real allies, but I’ll try to spell out the truth as I see it.
Anyone who supports Lieberman is NOT “anti-war.” I don’t give a shit what doomed legislation they co-sponsored, I don’t give a shit what they say at press conferences. I don’t give a shit about any of that. I care about what they do that supports the war, and you can’t support the war much better than supporting Joe Lieberman.
So get this straight – Barbara Boxer is in favor of the war in Iraq. She is in favor of “staying the course” with Rummy and Cheney and Chimpie. You cannot possibly try to refute that with logic, because her actions are right out there for anyone to see. Whatever “anti-war” stuff she did prior to supporting Lieberman is NEGATED by that support. Likewise her support of Joe “they can get meds at another pharmacy” Lieberman pretty much negates any work she’s done on behalf of women’s rights.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Joe Lieberman is an ENEMY of women’s rights. He is an enemy to any thinking American and anyone who supports Lieberman is in favor of the war and anti women’s rights.
How you could provide any sort of cover for Boxer is beyond my comprehension. She is IN FAVOR OF THE WAR! SHE IS AGAINST WOMEN’S RIGHTS!
And I ask you, what have any of you FDL lord-high poobahs done to shake her up SINCE the primary? I have repeatedly called and emailed her, calling her on her bullshit. I was far more polite than I’m being here but you asked me “What the fuck do you think we’ve been doing” and pissed me right off so my reply is, since the primary, not enough.
People like Boxer need an avalanche, a tsunami of hate mail for supporting Lieberman. Keep in mind, she said she’d go campaign for Ned and she has NOT DONE SO. She has sent out dozens of emails from her “PAC For A Change” and has NEVER ONCE mentioned Ned Lamont as a candidate deserving support.
I hope I’ve shed a little light about Senator Boxer’s transgressions since the primary, and I hope, given the clout you have, you’ll take her to task for her betrayal of the anti-war movement.
Patrick 4/4 @
175
What war, Patrick?
If another chooses to use mischaracterization of others motivations in order to make their flimsy assertions more plausible, then they deserve to have that logical deficiency in their construct spotlit in some small fashion.
Guitar at 186 — I’m going to spell this out slowly. At the time that the comment you quoted was written, there was a carrot and stick approach being applied, and about which I will not elaborate further here. But I want to see if I understand your agitation on this issue correctly: you would like to see Jane and I, nay the entire blogosphere, rise up and smite Sen. Barbara Boxer, a woman not even running for re-election this year, a mere eight days out from the 2006 mid-term elections, wasting precious hours, resources, phone time of our readers, and generally getting into a pissing match on an issue that we have already determined is no longer worth any more pressure and time because she has dug her heels in…instead of marshalling every available bit of leverage and work abilities and every other resource we can muster toward actually winning the election for Democratic candidates, including for Ned Lamont. Is that accurate?
Because if so, that’s just not going to happen. I don’t waste my time or resources, and I try not to do so with the time and resources of others. I spell this out here for you and whomever else might be interested for a couple of reasons: (1) Sen. Boxer is not off the hook, she’s just on hold at the moment; and (2) you fight things logically, methodically, and to the very end, and the path you advocate is illogical and would get us nowhere for this election cycle. Whatever beef you have with Barbara Boxer, channel it into something more productive for the moment — because kvetching in the comments about her and requiring a response is a waste of my time, when I need to be devoting resources elsewhere.
Senator Joe, the Democrat who cut and ran as an independent…Senator Joe is about as well-versed in the Sith arts as Darth Cheney. But he’s pretty interesting to hang out with:
http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/20…..lieberman/
Why does Joe YELL so much? His website hurts my eyes and averts my mind. Ooops, I wasn’t supposed to look.
EvilDrPuma @
184
A kind person at MLN told me that the ALL CAPS is a stylesheet issue for the links. They don’t exist in the print version. So he is merely shrill, not SHRILL!
Actually, no. I agree, at this time it would be pointless. A week after the primary, maybe not so pointless. I just don’t understand why, on Aug. 10, I was the only (or so it seemed) FDLer trying to hold her accountable and make sure she would be expected to live up to her word.
Well then, I am certainly willing to be patient until after the election, and your points are certainly well taken.
Just the same, I hope you will remember the words of Ezekiel 25 verse 17. I’m an atheist but this passage addresses the Boxer situation in a way I believe is not only descriptive, but provides some post-election guidance. It’s also my favorite dialogue from “Pulp Fiction.”
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.”
Babs needs to feel our great vengeance and furious anger. That’s all I’m saying. I say again, for emphasis if nothing else, I surely hope in the next four years, a worthy and properly well-heeled challenger can indeed smite Babs down.
But thanks for your explanation. I do appreciate it. Did you try the etoufee recipe yet?
If anybody still cares, the way to get the
strikethrougheffect is to type <strike>strikethrough</strike>. Or you can just use the “S” button like other people said.And why yes, I am pretty close to finishing my PhD in computer science.
me toono not really!Jane,
Briefly on another aspect of this:
Will someone please tell Arianna that her crusade against Howard Dean and those who are making this an election about middle class values as well as Iraq is misguided? It is clear she has not been out there volunteering for Ned Lamont, as I have. If she knew anything about the Senate race in CT, and crucial races elsewhere, she would know that the middle class is strapped, and that health care, a good job, and other kitchen-table issues are at least as important to them as a far-off war.
Carol Curtis
The Lieberman group is suddenly confronted with reality. They’ve somehow manipulated the polls to have you think that CT is for Lieberman. It’s not!
When seen in print from the NYT, the truth that they can’t manipulate, makes them crazy. Lieberman has friends in very low places.
captain outrageous @
3
This is a very bad idea. If Gore worked against Lieberman in CT, it could cause a backlash. Joe could end up with the sympathy vote and Gore would look petty. He won’t do it I hope.