
I'd like to say that I am happy to announce the winners of the Match Made in Washington Quote Off — but neither "happy" nor "winners" seem like appropriate words to use in this context, frankly. So, instead, I'd like to reveal the chosen quotes and the folks who posted them this morning — and we can let the distribution of prizes begin.
But let me start with a more recent quote that tells you everything you need to know about Turncoat Joe. From the Courant: “Lieberman now tries to steer the debate away from the wisdom of the original decision to invade, a vote that Gerstein said Lieberman does not regret and would cast again.” (emphasis mine) Oh, bless the person who decided to let Gerstein start talking with the press again. Keep it up!
But, back to the contest. First, the chosen quote from Joe Lieberman, which was submitted by Hugh — I give you L16:
Flip: December 8, 2005 “It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be commander in chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation’s peril”
Flop: September 13, 2006 (After losing the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont) “It is wrong for some on the right to imply that some Democrats don’t care if the terrorists succeed, or that debating the merits of the president’s policies on the war on terrorism emboldens our enemies” http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles /2006/9/15/205802.shtml (submitted by Hugh)
And the Bush quote which was selected as the most egregious example of Iraq idiocy? That would be B12, submitted by Disgusted in St. Louis:
Bush quote from his Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended speech from May 1, 2003: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." (submitted by Disgusted in St. Louis)
Well, at least we don't have to worry about too much honesty and integrity for the public to handle from those two, do we?
In fact, Cliff Schecter documents why it is that the public should get to know the real Turncoat Joe this morning in an article for AlterNet.
…It is this willingness to say or do whatever is necessary to hold on to his U.S. Senate seat, damn the consequences to what he claimed to believe last year or even last week, that makes Lieberman, a smarmy, power-hungry little yapping poodle of a politician, the perfect poster-boy for the amoral might-makes-right culture that currently animates our political system.
Ever since Lieberman defeated elder statesman Weicker in that 1988 race, largely by portraying him as weak on Communism — along the way garnering the support of William F. Buckley and the McCarthy-loving National Review — there hasn't been a single issue on which Lieberman has been willing to risk an unpopular position or maintain a modicum of consistency….
Last year Lieberman thought John Bolton wasn't worthy of being U.N. ambassador and voted accordingly. Yet, now that he needs Republican votes to win his do-over bid to hang on to his job, Bolton — a "person" who has chased subordinates around a hotel trying to shoe-beat them — has suddenly become the second coming of Adlai Stevenson or Daniel Patrick Moynihan on the international stage.
This propensity for changing positions like Angelina Jolie adopts children has been rightly covered and mocked by members of the Connecticut media and Lieberman's opponents. From support for privatizing Social Security to abortion rights, school vouchers to gay rights, there is not an issue that Lieberman won't jettison if it becomes politically expedient to do so. Yet, a few of Lieberman's more craven political maneuvers — and their disastrous results — have not received a full airing….
Lieberman, of course, also co-sponsored the Senate Resolution allowing the president to wage war on Iraq, and has made pronouncements about progress there over the past few years that have led many observers to question his sanity. Yet, learning nothing from his impressive degree of wrongness about everything in Iraq, Lieberman now refuses to set any timetable for withdrawal and speaks of preemptive war in Iran, presumably to be fought with a clone army of some sort….
Yet, most disturbing for someone so ready to send other people's children into bogus wars, is his lack of commitment to those troops once they come home. While Lieberman was once quoted by the New Yorker saying "some of my best friends are neocons," the same can't be said about veterans.
In 1997, Republican Sen. Strom Thurmond offered a motion to kill an amendment authored by Minnesota legend Paul Wellstone that would have required the secretary of defense to put $400 million into veteran's benefits the following year. Lieberman joined the Thurmond assault on veterans. He also opposed efforts to increase health care spending for veterans by $13 billion over five years in 1996 and an amendment offered by Sen. Tom Harkin to transfer $329 million from defense accounts to the Veterans Affairs Department for health care programs.
He has, however, continued to find billions of dollars to support missile defense programs that have shown as much promise as Tucker Carlson on "Dancing with the Stars."
This is must read material, gang — great stuff here, so much more than in this excerpted bit, so kudos to Cliff for putting all of it together. That Scaife campaign donation to the Turncoat Joe makes more and more sense after you read the article — as if you didn't already know what Scaife was buying anyway.
And for every DC Democrat who has been sitting back and hoping the netroots and the bloggers would take care of their Lieberman problem for them so that they wouldn't have to get their hands dirty, I say stop being such freaking cowards and step up to the plate. The time is now to stand up and be counted — you are either with the will of your Democratic voters or you are nothing but an incumbancy protection racket. And right about now, I'd say motivating your Democratic voters with a show of spine could prove to be a much more effective means of turning out the base than sucking up to the "Everybody Loves Lieberman" party of one, wouldn't you?
Try contemplating where your bread actually gets buttered for a change and get your ass to Connecticut. If you aren't standing up for Democratic voters, ask yourself why not…but do so on the way to campaign for a real Democratic candidate, and not some ego-driven phony. You want to know what motivates all of us? Better government — don't make us start to ask if the government wouldn't be better off without you in it, too.
Speaking of getting to Connecticut, the Lamont campaign is still looking for volunteers to get out the vote. (You can find contact information here and canvassing and scheduling information here.) They'd also appreciate it if you could take a few minutes and send a postcard through their Friends and Family program to folks that you know in CT, urging a vote for Ned Lamont — it only takes a few minutes, but it could mean the deciding vote, so won't you take the time today? (Thursday is the last day for this, so please do this now if you can!)
If you can't get to Connecticut, then volunteer to do the same for a progressive candidate near you. Or make calls via the Moveon.org program. But do something to get out our vote — because you don't want to be sitting there on election night wishing that you had done more.
Had enough?
(If Hugh and Disgusted in St. Louis could e-mail me, at ReddHedd at AOL dot com, with their address information, I can have prizes sent out this week for everyone. Hugh wins a copy of "State of Denial" and Disgusted wins a copy of "Brainless," and both win copies of the Robert Greenwald films "Iraq for Sale" and "Outfoxed." Kudos to the two of you!)
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Throw the bums out!
Fitz!
“Bums” being an understated way of saying “corrupt GOP radicals,” of course.
Lieberloser begone! Waffling weasley wanker.
Morning all — congrats to Hugh and Disgusted in St. Louis!
Perfect description
Hugh!
Disgusted in St. Louis!
“the voter vault” frickin bean counting suits
The ripple effect of Lamont race…. ripples across the country. I have found our Dem candidates now speaking out (of course we have been pushing for months) and now we have 4 (yes four) races in play in AZ!
The Arizona Republic(ian) Newspaper endorsed Harry Mitchell over JD Hayworth calling Hayworth a BULLY! wow…
Good morning Christy
So, the DNC should save enough money for an after election ad buy that repeats some of the most repellent charges of the Republicans.
“According to John Boehner, the terrorists have won this election”.
“Are you one of those terrorists that Boehner was talking about?”
“Why does John Boehner hate Americans who vote?”
-GSD
katymine at 9 — good lord! The AZ Republic endorsed a Democrat? I may faint! Great news, though — Hayworth is horrid.
hey dab from ct (and everyone else)…. any interest in a fdl meet up in CT to see “had enough?” performed live by tommy yum et al.?
Nora just called Missouri a “southern state”. Guess the civil war still is on.
I was reading Dick Armey’s Sunday op-ed in the Post, “Where We Went Wrong”, and it’s well worth reading, but not for the reasons he intends. He rejects the kool-aid of the current band of radicals, but he still loves the taste of the vintage from his own era. He apparently still maintains the delusion that Gingrich Republicans had strong principles that got them elected, that they only “lost” the battle over the government shutdown because Clinton was a skillful political operator, and that if they’d stuck to their radical “principles,” the people would have supported them, really. “Welfare reform” is the sole “success” he is able to cite before they began to plunge into spending and corruption (blaming on those who worked with the Democrats, of course, to avoid commenting on the purely Republican orgy of spending now.)
The only rational response I can see to his litany of excuses and denials of reality is no, you didn’t “go wrong.” You were wrong from the start.
(And that goes for your friend Joe, too.)
raven316 @ 13
It’s still going on down in Ashcroft’s little southwest corner of the state, and in some of that part of the southeast corner that gave the world Rush Limbaugh.
selise @ 11
I would love it, but I’ve got some elections to win down here in VA. *g*
Maybe a Victory Tour?
“the most egregious example”
You rang?
Just got back from my local coffeehouse. The usual crusty old men were in the corner, bitching about politics. One of them brought up the Webb book controversy and did the “it was in his miiiiiind–he’s a sick man!” routine. They said, well, you know, Rush was right to say that about him. Rush Limbaugh. That asshat.
That was it. I couldn’t take anymore.
I turned to them, despite my son’s pleading to just leave it alone, and said, “Rush Limbaugh is a damned liar. Jim Webb was a Vietnam veteran, using something he saw when he was there to make a point in his book of how alien that culture was for American soldiers. How dare you call that man sick and twisted for speaking the truth about his experiences? What would Rush Limbaugh know about the truth Jim Webb experienced, when Rush sat at home because he had a cyst on his butt? When has Rush ever known anything about the truth?”
They stared at me like I was crazy, but they shut up. They were leaving anyway, but that put some speed in their cowboy boots.
Don’t know if I changed their minds, but I felt a lot better.
egregious at 17 — Did I read the comments correctly in the Olbermann thread yesterday that your donation put us over the $500,000 mark for Blue America? If so, thank you so much!
LJ/Aquaria at 18 — mwahahahaha! Good for you — I had a similar experience at our local Starbucks last week but, thankfully for her, The Peanut is small and not quite at the “momma is embarassing” stage. *g* Liars piss me off, too — and people who listen to liars and don’t bother thinking for themselves? Grrrrrrr…
Minor correction, Webb “is” a Vietnam Vet. I only mention it because Matthews likes to call people “former veterans”.
href=”#comment-355262″>LJ/Aquaria @ 18
LJ/Aquaria @ 18
Wow! You’re my hero(ine) today.
Scaife is behind the Institute for Religion and Democracy. He has a keen sense of the institutional drivers of progressive thought, like churches with good theology. And he uses this understanding to take them down.
It’s interesting that he’s funding Lieberman. Where he goes, you are seeing the traces of Hilary Clinton’s vast right wing conspiracy.
From Urban Dictionary:
5. smarmy
Similar to slimey, but with an air of innocence and similar to kiss-ass, but with out the obviousness. Typically, a male, who gives brief but strong focussed attention to a number of females, often in the work-place, that is drippingly sweet, but carries the occasional lame sexual innuendo that is immediately retracted by a childlike expression. A man, usually a co-worker, or person in contact with large group of female potentials, with puppy-dog eyes, offering an insincere concern and easy compliments, who has (not-so-)hidden agenda accompanyiing his actions and conversation. Easy to discern for the experienced or for those who trust their intuition. Preys most easily on young and vulnerable. Is not harmful, but had own best interests at heart, which usually involve sex, or in the very least, creating self-directed admiration.
“I heard that the new supervisor from the new store is real smarmy.”
“yeah, I met him, he’s really ‘nice’ n’ all, but yeah, he will smile and give you a little fake charm and feel you out to see how far he can take his comments and then he’ll whimper that you don’t like him or sing that you are the best and he’d do anything for you, all you need do is ask. I can’t stand it when he comes around, attention seeking, because I look like I’m being rude, but he is so smarmy it repels me.”
“I knew a smarmy guy once, ewww.. all my friends couldn’t stand him either and the guys all thought he was a bit of a nerd, but they didn’t really understand that he was smarmy.”
“I had to explain smarmy to my ex-boyfriend, one night, after he introduced me to his co-worker who kept asking me personal, leading questions, hoping to create a trust and then find a loop-hole in my faithfulness to my guy.”
by Jane R. Dec 16, 2004
Hmm, now that I read your post again I see I was wrong, sorry!
lina @ 22
Doing a fly-by, hope to come back later and read thru commentary.
eye-muss was bitchin’ with Bob Schieffer this a.m. and they brought up the kiss ad as an example of dirty politics. Evidently they choose not to get the concept of metaphor…one picture so graphically describing everything that would take 10,000 words to say about J-Lie’s turning against the Democrats, against free speech and the Constitution, against the lives of honorable American service people, against women in crisis…well, there I go, just starting in on the words when the picture truly does say it all. Keep it out there!
eye-muss also talking to the CBS Sports guy, Jim Nance, who said he “bumped into Lieberman at a fundraiser.” Nance is not at all shy about his conservative leanings and his buddy-buddy relationship with senior Bush.
then MSNBC segued into its Republican infomercial with John Boner and Chris Jansing…and I turned on the jazz channel.
Go, ‘dogs! Get out our vote!
Christy:
Actually, my son’s concern was our personal safety. We’re in Texas. Saying stuff like that tends to get people harassed around here, at minimum. Sad, but true. When I put a No War in Iraq placard in my house window, I had the city on my doorstep nearly every week over anything the wingnut neighbor could think of. If my grass was one inch over compliance, boom! City was out there. They even accused me of having my cats run wild–but my cats never, never go outside.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
No, I was monitoring the amount but couldn’t kick in because I don’t have a secure line. Was waiting for the last $24 so I could go to dinner with egrDaughter.
She is a volunteer teacher in an impoverished community here–DomRep. I see a lot of signs of hope, especially with the children. There seems to be enough to eat, the birth rate has finally come down to a manageable level, and people are starting to think about luxuries like education. I am in Puerto Plata for you geography fans.
All jobs here depend on who is in government. When the government changed hands a year plus ago, a lot of people here lost employment because they were with the other party. This is true in a lot of countries. Sounds a little familiar even in the US but not to this extreme…yet.
I was watching MSNBC till I saw it All gop all day , I switched too.
p.s. on OT
Michael J. Fox is my hero. He was brilliant on Snuffy’s show yesterday.
And Rush…forced to listen to him enroute to the cabin Friday and boy was he on a paranoid-persecution, self-aggrandizing riff. Interesting that he mentioned being invited on Fox and he had to decline… didn’t mention ABC’d also invited him.
Q: What do you call a slug, a thug, and a bug?
A: Rush Limbaugh.
Wonkette, “Rove and Bush projecting confidence is their inner job description”!
LJ at 26 — I hear you. I got some crap for my Kerry sign in the yard the last election cycle here in WV as well. Nothing like a bunch of idgit rednecks, eh? It’s funny, though, how the sentiment here has shifted. And I wonder, if it can have also shifted someplace like Idaho — how much of a change will we see in the end (or not) after November?
LJ/Aquaria: LOL!
Morning all!
The beautiful sun-rise/-set thru that glorious float, right on the the heels of TRex’s & Carol Burnett’s magnificent Scarlet … well … a much needed, highly therapeutic LOL! JUST what the doctor ordered ;->
Been gone all week, and returned to the mess that is OH electioneering (fraud AGAIN anyone????!!!!!). They just CAN’T do it again, can they?!?
Special thanks to carolyn urban for providing some wonderful links to me yesterday eve, in re: fighting election fraud. With yer indulgence, I’ll list them on this thread also, in case others can make use of them. [the notes beside links are carolyn urban’s]
Thanks again, cu. I left you a lil note EPU’d on tailend of the “Torches & Pitchforks” thread.
Links for fighting against election theft:
http://www.solarbus.org
on this site, go through the Peace and Justice tab and then scroll down to Election Justice Center.
Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections
http://www.caseohio.org
http://www.votetrustusa.org
on this site I’d click States. They list organizations on the left but I checked them out and the only one that looks promising is the Citizens Alliance, above. But if you click on Ohio on the right hand list it catches you up on all the latest – well, I don’t know how latest – but news.
http://blackboxvoting.org
has lots of stuff, including a citizen toolkit that might be useful.
http://voteraction.org
the “watch the vote” page looked good.
Christy Hardin Smith @
19
egregious’s ActBlue page brought in thirteen donors for Diane Benson yesteday! And for other candidates too. A little goes a long way. We’re trying to raise enough to put Diane on TV. The ads are made – partly by volunteers – but we need money to pay for their broadcast. Diane has closed to MOE (-6%) territory since Thursday.
Here’s the size of the distict Diane will take from Don Young:
http://nationalatlas.gov/print…..01_109.gif
here’s agregious’s ActBlue page:
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious#11475
My guerrilla AM-talk radio campaign is about to start…..
Christy:
I’ll say this for San Antonio. By the time the 2004 election rolled around, people had lightened up about the Democrats, if only a little. We had lots of people in our neighborhood (very Republican) with Kerry signs. Maybe the difference here is that this is a military town, so people around here knew a bit more about how devastating this war has been on our armed forces. Doesn’t rid us of all the idjits, but some of them. Still, my son remembers the hard times of being anti-war in 2002/2003. It haunts him, that people could act so foolish, over bullshit.
Go Ed*ard! Kick some radio behind this morning! :)
It’s pleasing to see that some Demos are noting that several, if not many, in my party, the Democratic Party, have played a large part in the mess in which this nation and the world finds itself in. Whatever happens this Nov. 7, I hope to see this self-examination continue.
Speaking for myself, I am not much concerned with party affiliation, I’m into ideas carried into action. Wrongs; righted. And above all, justice and redress.
I just ran across an excellent DKos diary and a web site (finger2006.com) devoted to Section 1076 (of HR5122) and the President’s recently expanded authority to nationalize and send-in the National Guard in times of trouble.
Hey, I’m one of the thirteen! Only $20, but hey, money’s money. Wish we could get Diane that $5K she needs for that ad buy. I’d give it if I had it.
As I mentioned in the previous thread, my husband has to hide my credit card from me during election years. I’m not afraid to live on Ramen for a while, if it would win some elections. Way I look at it, it’s eat Ramen now, or eat Ramen forever if I don’t, given how these Republicans want to give everything to their rich friends. And themselves, of course.
My husband thinks this is lunacy.
I wrote this on another thread but it was poorely formatted due to some tag errors I made, anyway, as the elections grow near the democrats need to put the differaces in the proper perspective
fir intance, I saw letterman on letterman with orielly leterman is uninformed, allowing oreilly to get away with claiming there was a connection between saddam and al qaeda the connection was they were enemies, but that’s besides my point on this post the republicans have a question that the democrats are stumbling with “do you want us to win in Iraq”
it’s an absurd question but the democrats don’t know how to answer it and the answer is as follows, I use caps lock to represent indignation where it belongs;
“of COURSE we want to win in Iraq, that is NOT POSSIBLE following the inept decisions of the this administration, these people have made choices that CONTRADICT our generals in the field, the have the NERVE to overrule the sage advice of the finest military minds on the planet and if we want to have ANY hope of “winning” in Iraq we have to STOP allowing the republicans who have NO military clue from making decisions that they are NOT EQUIPPED to make”
now THAT needs to get sent to all progressive candidates and pundits because the new talking point is that question, “do you want to win in Iraq” and then COUNTER attack with;
“what do you mean do I want to win ind Iaaq, the question is do YOU want to win in Iraq?”
because if you do you have to STOP supporting the polices we KNOW are creating MORE enemies, STOP supporting the clueless policy makers that gice us MORE instability, MORE terrorists, MORE terrorism, and we need these people to START employing the tactics and strategy that will give us success”
a very nice follow up would be something along the lines;
“the democrats SOLVE the problems the republicans CAUSED…documented by the way, by the presidents own investigations the REPUBLICANS put saddam in power, the REPUBLICANS embraced and endorsed him when he was the MOST brutal, the REPUBLICANS put him BACK on power, the REPUBLICANS gave him weapons of mass destruction the DEMOCRATS REMOVED THOSE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, he was no longer “running amok”, he was absolutely no threat what so ever…thanks to the democratic party and NO thanks to the republicans that PUT THE THREAT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE period all facts, proven before the war and proven every day after, and sad for you people that MAKE BELIEVE republicans can protect this country NEARLY as well as the democrats, this proof comes not from liberals or democrats, the proof comes from the presidents own reports, his own agencies, is own aids errr…the DEMOCRATS resolved the problems the republicans CAUSES and they will do it once again
and they should continue with things similar to this;
let me remind you, the REPUBLICANS refused to defend against terrorism when they came to office, the REPUBLICANS waited until we were attacked before they did ANYTHING, EVEN THOUGH they were informed in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS we would be attacked with PRECISE intel HAND DELIVERED, and the republicans REACTED…errr…far too late then the REPUBLICANS diverted the resources NEEDED to fight terrorism
they ACTUALLY invaded a country that posed ABSOLUTELY no threat, the REPUBLICANS attacked Iraq for what came from Afghanistan, they captured SADDAM HUSAIM for what Bin laden did, THEY WERE INFORMED by America’s military their decisions would HARM America and they DIDN’T CARE”
that’s the type of metric we need to start using in our conversation
Hi Adie, glad you got my links. And if there’s anything else I can help with, please let me know. I’m still pissed off about the elections there in 2004. I was reading through some of the suits that have been filed against Ken Blackwell and others last night and it is dumbfounding. The crooks.
OKkiddo at 7:03
FWIW, I’m more concerned than ever with party affiliation – FOR THE TIME BEING – until we break the stranglehold the repugs have on what used to be our democracy.
Break the one-party-rule. THEN hammer the errant Dems – absolutely. ‘just sayin’
Am on library duty this morning for the kids. They have to come to school in shifts, because only 250 can fit at once. If they come late to class there is no where to sit, kind of like commuter parking garages filling up early.
They fit 40 kids into each classroom, maybe 32 seats in each. You would be surprised how small the rooms are. The kids pile up like puppies, it works because they are from a single community and all know each other.
The library itself is pretty good, it was obviously the target of a determined earlier donor.
And speaking of determination and donations, may I leave you with this request–
Please support Diane Benson, we’re at $6,600 and need a full $10,000 to get her TV ads on the air.
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
Hope that works. Gotta run. Smooches, and
FIGHT BACK!!!!
The neglect and, by implication, the rejection of Ned Lamont by the National Democratic Party, especially the likes of high-flying, publicity-seeking kingmakers like Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, is unforgivable.
Vote Democratic in the hope that the party might come into the hands of a bit more honest crowd. I’ve decided that the Clintons and the whole gang of peers forming the Democratic Presidium are despicable. Not quite like the Bush mafia, of course, but far from up to par in their allegiences. Their treachery must not be forgotten.
Schlesinger on MSNBC
Schles, “It’s still possible for Lamont to win”.
Nice commentary in the new New Yorker:
(emphasis mine)
more here:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/….._hertzberg
Schels, “Bloomberg is not a Republican”.
Paul Wellstone, what a tragic event for all of us. Accident? I don’t think so and neither do many people, I’ve read the ? full accounts, I have a friend who lived 3 miles from the crash site, and a former pilot, it doesn’t add up to an accident, and I also believe that the opposition is quite capable of taking who they want out.
I remember giving one campaign an idea about contributions that was kinda silly and fun (adapted for here):
A great American deserves the support of great American patriots. 34 Benjamins = 68 Grants = 170 Jacksons = 340 Hamiltons = 680 Lincolns = 3400 Washingtons. If you have a good memory (or collect off-beat money!) then 1700 Jeffersons will stand up just fine, too. Pick your favorite and send him to Diane Benson. Double up, if you like. Or mix and match a few. It’s up to you.
Shouldn’t be a problem for FDL to raise $3400 for Diane. Who’s gonna match my Andrew Jackson this a.m.?
Breaking Story here in AZ:
AZ GOP Chair sends letters to three mayors demanding they step down immediately because they endorses Gov Napolitano. Our mayors are non-partisan seats. WOOOOO Republican mayors have told the state GOP Chair that she does not drink the kool-aid!
3 GOP mayors asked to quit
How do you alienate the independent & libertarian voters here…. tell THEM who they are to vote for and support….
Adie, I just read your note on the bottom of Torches and Pitchforks. I competely agree with everything. You guys are on the front line there with a nasty fight. The rethugs have already shown that they’ll fight dirty and rough. Appropriate to discuss that on the Torches and Pitchforks thread, bacause Blackwell’s exactly the kind of guy who needs to be dragged out of office by his ankles. Though I’m not in Ohio, I am also furious about the situation there. Be prepared to shine as much light as you can. Think audio, visual. Think about operating in pairs and groups. Stay safe, but KICK SOME ASS.
Schecter really doesn’t like Lieberman, does he? The last two lines are priceless:
Yep, CTL=Connecticut’s Toadiest Legislator
Morning folks,
Being a furriner (from the country not getting a fence along its’ border, we’re getting watch towers) I have a few questions regarding the upcoming midterms. If the Dems take control of the House and Senate can they strike down any of The Preznits’ latest signings? I suspect it would require a 2/3 majority and not be as simple as 50 1. What happens if it is a hung jury, so to speak, control of one but not the other-which one is the more important one to gain control?
Keep up the good fight people, you just gotta get the Bush/Cheney/Rove cabal to see the light.
i’m beginning to think we might be FIRED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
time to take names and kick arses!
I’ve heard it said that Abe Lincoln’s ideas were progressive. I cannot quibble with that. He was a member of the Republican party.
Pragmatically, yes, get rid of today’s Republican Party. The GOP has long since ceased being the party of Lincoln. And today’s Democratic party is far from the party of FDR. If Lincoln were running in 2008, I imagine I’d be voting Republican.
I’m a Demo, always have been, but I’d sure like to see a lot more, and I mean a LOT more, light shining between the two dominate political parties.
me to me
RIGHT ON! I was dissappointed that Letterman didn’t have the facts at hand to strike back at “O’Really?” I’ve also noticed the new Repub tactical questioning about the war.
I would add that we’ve already lost in Iraq. We lost the day we went in. The republicans were without a plan and without a clue. It’s like a football team trying to win the Super Bowl when they’re down 40-0 in the fourth quarter…ask a fan of that team: “Do you want to win?” Sure they’d say yes, but…how? We should ask republicans: “how do you plan to win? You got us into this mess, so how do YOU plan to get us out?
A young relative in his 1st year in college taking up polysci told me something that made me wonder if Minnesota college-age voters are going to turn out heavy for Independant candidates. His comparative politics class runs the gamut of political views but most agree they hate Kennedy & Klobuchar and are for Ind Robert Fitzgerald. All the “convention wisdom” said Ventura would not be governor but didn’t realize that college-age voters would vote in such large numbers for Jesse.
I haven’t gotten an answer from him yet why they hate Klobuchar.
There is a lot of idealism combined with cynicism among young people. I remember groaning when one of my kids voted for Nader. The argument that voting for Nader was just helping bush get elected didn’t change his mind.
What is everyone hearing from young voters in their areas?
carolyn urban at 7:07
Hi back ;->
Glad you’re here. I’m gonna have to surrender the machine in just a bit, but I did want to thank you again. (left you a note at pitchforks thread downstairs also)
Yes. It’s just awful. I feel we quite literally have lost our democracy, for the moment anyway.
It’s gonna take some hard work to get it back.
I do take great hope from the FDL efforts, & those of sites Jane, Christy & Pach have often mentioned. It’s do-able. It just ain’t gonna be easy.
It’s hard not to fall too deeply into the blame-game against willfully blind media & lazy &/or distracted pols because, let’s face it, they aided & abetted the stinkin’, illegal, theft of our nation.
I’m a peace-lover at heart, so I have to follow a certain path if I’m to live with myself down the road, but that doesn’t mean I won’t slice & dice liberally with words, when I think it’ll do some good. (e.g., I’m absolutely livid at Lou Dobbs for his too-little-too-late, pompous a** routine of late over voting fraud! He’s heard from me, & will again.)
Here’s to a brighter day, hopefully sooner rather than later. Thanks again. Folks like you make this place very special ;->
LJ
You are my hero. Don’t EVER feel bad about speaking up…I know you don’t, but some friends of mine were calling me an uppity activist a few months back. Now they’re saying the same things I did back then.
Eventually, ever so SLOOOOWLY, some folks will come around.
Political party ideology and dogma are transitory. Truth, good ideas and justice are a priori.
Thanks for posting the contact info to volunteer for Ned. I’m in a nearby state, and would love to spend the better part of this week and election day helping Ned beat out Lieberman.
I was told by Ned headquarters that the proecdure for out-of-staters to volunteer begins by contacting outofstate@nedlamont.com.
Hope they get me hooked up with a good job fast. I’m looking forward to getting into it.
IN THE AFTERMATH of George W. Bush’s reelection as president two years ago, Karl Rove amused himself and his boss with a battery-powered “Redneck Horn.” At the touch of a button, the device would yell insults in a raucous Southern accent, providing automated road rage for red-state Republicans. The toy’s abusive messages included “slow down, dumbass!”; “hey, hog neck, who taught you how to drive?”; “are you freaking blind?”; and “you’re a goddamn moron!”
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
I never feel bad about speaking up! The problem is getting me to SHUT UP, once I get started, anyway. My son says it’s the most annoying thing about me. I can hear something over and over that he knows makes me mad, I’ll sit there so quietly for weeks or months on end, then, one day, something sets me off. My mother used to call me Vesuvius for this reason.
carolyn urban at 7:18
YAHOO! Ahem, yes’m. Grabbin’ my medicare card & headin’ out de door to go pester.
The deep, deep anger all across OH is palpable. Many repubs appear to be shocked and repulsed – oh yeah – did I mention ?embarrassed? by what their party has done. I’m hoping many will find the inner “strength” (!?whatever?!) to hold their noses and vote Dem., or at least just stay home.
Nevertheless, if fraud is as firmly entrenched in the system as I suspect, we’re in for a big big fight anyway. Blackwell, even though trailing badly through the whole campaign, has sported a very strangely broad & confident smile. Weird & unsettling, to say the least.
Dems are energized and pretty well united, I think. We’ll do our best.
One nice sign: A pretty fair number of my contacts are age 30-something, thru our grown “kids”. They are very upset, and absolutely determined to vote.
!we.will.NOT.go.quietly!
Can someone link me to the video with the catchy “Have you had enough” song? Thanks!
LJ
Good to know that I’m not the only one – and I’ll bet many folks here feel the same way.
My mom used to speak up, too – it embarrased me as a kid, but I now understand why she had to. Interesting though: I always felt safe with my mom as a kid because I knew she was strong.
OKkiddo
Sure appreciate your comments this morning.
Couldn’t agree more.
Thanks.
raven316 @ 49
Bloomberg is a ‘LIEberman Republican’
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
A-frickin-men!
Way to go LJ/Aqauria! I had one of those experiences in line at Costco right after the Path to 9/11 p.o.s.
And this for Jane, Duane Allman 35 years later: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15427375/
Adie @ 69
Aw… shucks. You’re nice.
Do you suppose if the election is too far gone to steal, they’ll simply smash it, like a chess player turning over the board? Perhaps feed in hundreds of thousands of fake votes for Democratic candidates, for instance? What happens then? Is there a procedure in place for a Congressional election going completely tits-up in the ditch?
rat bastahd @
71
Pam in SC @
29
Amen. IMHO this is the real story of the 2004 and 2006 election. Why is it that networks’ news (and their cable news equivalents) carries water for the GOP and still keeps their licenses? … and what can we do about it (after next Tuesday)?
[sorry for the grammar… I really flunk plurals and possesives here but don’t have enough coffee in my system to correct it]
LJ/Aquaria @ 18,
my great big ten gallon is off to you!
Texas is my homestate, and I can attest to the personal peril you are putting yourself and your family under by speaking out with those brave words of your. Kudos, and God bless!
I’d like to offer a perspective now from my adopted state, Minnesota. We, like so many other areas in this great union, are a microcosm of the greater nation at large. Are heritage is a strong, scandinavian, god fearing work ethic where fiscal responsibility and respect for life is paramount. Unfortunately, that means a casual approach to politics usually leads a voter to buy off on the glossy marketing that the Republican party is selling. And we used to have good Republicans in this state, too–which adds to the confusion. Now, again like so many states, I think we’ve lost our moral compass. When we lost Paul Wellstone, we lost much more than a great champion of the people, we lost our soul (I still wouldn’t be surprised if Dick Chenney had Wellstone and Carnahan offed, but that’s a conspiracy for another post). In Paul’s place, we sent that smarmy little water carrier Norm Coleman. I would like to offer a term to the FDL community for your consideration. A term to use in describing tools like Norm Coleman: Pusillanimous Meat Puppet (PMP). Any comments are welcome.
I would like to report, happily, that I think we are going to send an elementary classmate of mine: Amy Klobuchar. And watch out for her, she’s a pistol and we could not be more proud to have someone represent Minnesota. That, and she’s going to kick the butt of Mark Kennedy–an absolute poster child for the PMPs.
I would also like to report that we are going to send Tim Walz; but I am less sure of that. He is a stunning candidate from one of our southern districts and he needs everyone’s support to help control a DM&E fiasco that is brewing down there. Watch his videos on YouTube if you want to see another great people’s choice.
We have many other great races, Coleen Rowley is fighting another PMP. Patty Whetterling is battling the least christlike person we have ever seen in a true battle of good and evil.
They could all use some help with your ActBlue dollars if you all have anything left to spare.
Otherwise, we’ll try and keep up our end up here in the North. Who knows, perhaps in two years we can report Mr. Franken’s victory and give that Senatorial seat back to a feisty little Jewish wrestler with a good sense of humour, like it should be, and in doing reclaim our soul!
Adie (43), Ditto. Thoughtful Herbert has an interesting column in the Times today entitled “Broken System.” It will be more difficult to reform our broken system than it was for our ancestors to form a government. We lack the wise ones to launch and lead, and an educated citizenry to follow.
Angie (48), I love the New Yorker’s Hertzberg and look for his byline as soon as I pick up the magazine. Disappointed if he isn’t included in an issue.
You don’t have to take Gerstein’s word for it. Lieberman said the same himself in no uncertain terms during an interview with Ed Schultz in mid-July.
The cry of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party on 11/8:
NEXT?
All these DLC style Dems are staying away from the Lamont-Lieberman race because they know that Lieberman is a vindictive bastard and will come back after them with a vengeance.
As commented earlier, they are more afraid of angering Lieberman than Lamont.
How is it that this guy has managed to acquire the moniker of “last honest man”?
Teddy’s 79 has it right.
TeddySanFran @ 79
Economical, and sweet.
sagesource at 7:58am
Yes. I would think that’s entirely possible.
That’s why I’m so worried.
A “rigged” election might be remedied.
A totally broken election?
No solution comes to mind at the moment.
Would they actually do such a horrible thing?
Look at what they’ve already done(!)
one foot in front of the other,
never stopping.
nerves of steel are good.
ability to feign same works o.k.
absolutely refusing to quit often pays off.
some stubborn little kids find that’s a handy trait, even after they grow up.
hidden core of *snark* refreshes the spirit.
will.not.give.up
!promise!
Why isn’t Lamont making a big deal about these quotes – and Lieberman’s defense of the Bush/Republican agenda?
Here’s a quote for CT voters from The Nation:
“Joe Lieberman: Everyone’s senator but yours.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 82
I wouldn’t mind hearing a couple dozen Republicans say “Would you like fries with that?” in January.
I want to jetisen Lieberman from my party.
Spartacas 80: AIPAC rules and Joe is a key to AIPAC!
Alan Schlesinger was on MSNBC this morning saying that his internal polls had him in the mid-20s.
If that’s true (which may or may not be the case), it means that the Republicans that Lieberman wooed are starting to go back into the OFFICIAL party fold.
And if that happens, then Lieberman is toast. If Schlesinger manages to retain even half of the GOP base in the state, Lieberman drops well below 40% and Lamont wins.
Peterr @ 85
707!
selise @ 12
Absolutely! count me in
jettison, that is.
Phoenix Woman at 8:45am
OMG I hope you’re right!
TeddySanFran @ 79
Yes, and I hope we start laying the groundwork now on what the election means. At a minimum, I think we should be spreading the theme that the election results represent a sweeping rejection of the policies, practices and arrogance of the Bush Administration and the Republican party that controls the Congress and rubber stamps everythin Bush does/wants.
We need to do this, and reinforce it every day, ’cause you know the other side’s talking heads are going to be spinning like crazy on November 8, to say it had nothing to do with them or Bush; it was just bad luck, or normal mid-term changes, or dirty ads from the Dems, etc. And by making this a national referendum on the Bush/Republican rule, we will help Dems everywhere on November 7.
Lamont is within eight points according to most recent poll.
Goin in the right direction- but perhaps not fast enough. Final week.
Phoenix Woman @ 87
I’ve always thought that there is no way a major party candidate is going to poll less than 20%. We’ll see.
I live in Sonoma County. We get 85-88 % voting here – 68 % by absentee. When you get that kind of turn out the political landscape changes dramatically. We elected Lynn Woolsey for our rep. She should get somewhere around 67 %. GOTV is really effective means everything.
Oh and LJ/Aquaria? The crusty old farts talking crap like that around these parts would be swarmed by a dozen LJ/Aquaria- ers. Keep the faith.
God I love it here. Now I’m gonna call up Boxer and give office hell about Lieberman (we’re far from perfect)
rwcole @ 93
Been watching the spread in the Rasumussen Bush JAR, and today the spread been approval and disapproval is at its highest point in the last two months —
Approval = 40%
Disapproval = 58%
This spread, which had narrowed to 13 points, has been widening for the last week.
scarecrow at 8:50am
agreed!
except that the spinning is already there.
talking heads are almost constantly talking in terms of “what the repubs should do to get their message out,” yahda yahda – it’s disgusting.
johnalive @ 63
I’ll give your contact info to the volunteer coordinator I know.
Sorry, here’s the Rasmussen poll link:
Daily Rasumussen poll on Bush JAR
scarecrow- yeah that’s where the latest poll on Conn is from. The gooper is only taking nine points according to Rasmussen- but then he doesn’t have a great reputation of accuracy.
Sonoma Rus @ 95
I lived in Santa Rosa for many years. Sonoma County is nice. For a lot of reasons.
dab from CT @ 89
email me at speakeasy dot net… and we’ll set something up! thanks!
Adie @ 34
There was a great ad in today’s NY Times, funded by the Women Donors Network, a group of women philanthropists who give to progressive causes. They listed a website, StopCountHackula.com, but the site doesn’t have anything useful [it says to revisit the site to find out how you can help]. But the ad itself listed a number of really good ideas, so I’ll quote the ad:
1. Worried about your registration? Call your county election board before election day and confirm you’re registered.
2. If you confront long lines at your polling place, complain to a poll worker. Poll workers are paid by you. Their job is to help you vote. If they won’t help, take names. Use the toll-free Election Protection hot line, 1-866-OUR-VOTE.
3. If your voting machine doesn’t work right, demand an emergency paper ballot—NOT a provisional ballot! Then demand that the offending machine be taken out of service.
4. Any voter or poll-watcher who witnesses what appears to be a crime can call the whistle-blower’s hot line: 1-888-VOTETIP. Remember you can create a photographic record on your cell phone.
These are all good suggestions, but the Women Donors Network needs to be sure that all of their campaign is up and functioning ASAP. I was irked to find out their was no information on their own website, and the StopCountHackula website had no practical info [I’m sending an email to the address listed in the ad: info AT women donors DOT org]
Acceptance Speech:
I would like to thank Joe Lieberman without whose duplicity, backstabbing, and general mealimouthedness this would not have been possible.
New thread, gang.
New thread from Christy: The Art of the Bluff
MayDaze @ 93
Why would the Republicans who voted for Lieberman when he was a fake Democrat — but on their ballot too — vote for him now that he is a fake Republican?
nj progressive at 8:59am
thanks for the info. & your tenacity.
we have some similar things going on in OH. Sometimes even well-intentioned people just can’t seem to get their act together, sigh.
(e.g., early on, Dems. here printed up some nice neat, readable candidate endorsement lists – but forgot to include one incumbent Supreme Ct. candidate’s name, and misspelled another candidate’s name. So some valuable volunteer time was wasted having to write in/correct all the misprinted materials. So much simpler to take a min. or 2 to proofread!?!)
Thanks Dab!
HoJoe apparently does not like the NYT editorial endorsing Ned. So he has to embarrass himself some more on his website.
Other Liarman alert: Lieberman is sending flyers to senior citizens telling them it’s all “lies” what they say about his record on social security, etc.
Just saw this over at the Lamont HQ blog – maybe we can help?
To whoever is doing this – THANK YOU for the effort. I can’t speak for everyone but I will try to help.
Where’s the tongue action?