They sure better hope he doesn't win:
Lieberman says potential for leadership role helps candidacy
Sen. Joe Lieberman says the likelihood that he would take a leadership role if the Democrats take control of the Senate on Nov. 7 is helping him in his race against the endorsed Democrat in Connecticut.
"People are reading," Lieberman said after attending Sunday services at Mount Moriah Baptist Church in Hartford. "They see that there's a chance that Democrats might control and they know that if that happens, that I would be a committee chair and also would be in the majority."
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If re-elected, Lieberman could return to Capitol Hill to claim the chairmanship of the Homeland Security panel.
Or as Sirota deflatingly says, "Lieberman Cites Support of Senate Dems As Reason He's Still Competitive."
Offhand I can't think of any other event in recent history outside of the big three — Katrina, Alito and Torture — that would elicit much more online rage. But he sure has the support of the DC Democrats.
Whether it was a standing ovation at a caucus meeting when Joe got back to the Senate after his primary loss, or Obama refusing to come to Connecticut or criticize Joe in any way, or Bill Clinton praising Lieberman on Larry King, or Harry Reid promising Lieberman seniority, or Chuck Schumer refusing to get involved and practically being forced to not back Lieberman after the primary, or insiders telling Lamont's campaign that they would talk Joe out of the race if Lamont didn't go on the attack, it's very clear that the Democratic Party leadership is rotten to the core. With the exception of John Kerry and Wes Clark, no high profile Democrats have been there for Lamont.
May be the best money yet Richard Mellon Scaife has spent to tear the party into pieces.
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Leadership Role? What fucking planet is he on?
Looks like blogger is buggered again.
Boy am I happy we got off of it.
Or maybe it’s what fucking planet are we on?
It must have just gone down, I was just at Gilliard’s place and it worked fine.
BTW Big Dog really needs to step up. Check out the Scaife link. Scaife is now donating to Lieberman. Remember this?
Fer the love of gawd, Bubba, have some fucking pride.
Twisted Martini @ 4
Digby, Atrios, Roy — all down.
He’d rather play his bullshit centrist games. The cavalry ain’t coming for Ned, he’s gonna have to be Gary Cooper in High Noon.
That’s just who BushCo wants “investigating” all the no-bid Halliburton Katrina reconstruction contracts, RGJoe.
Victory for RGJoe = Victory for BushCo.
What’s unclear about this, Nutmeggers? RGJoe will be in the majority regardless of which party takes control of the Senate, and he’s likely to be a Committee Chair either way, so who’s he looking out for? It ain’t Connecticut.
it makes me rather dizzy…
Got EPU’d, but it applies here too:
TeddySanFran @ 166
Another Andrew Miga article. The man sure can hack.
Before Blogger took a dump, Gilliard had a pretty good post about the GOP GOTV machine. He did indicate that those low information voters, those that Joey Douchebag is depending on, are typically the ones who don’t show up. Even with a GOTV machine.
Everything is personal in DC. Everything. They have to deal with Lieberman and they aren’t going to fuck with him in case he wins.
They hope that all we be forgiven if Lamont wins. They feel he will have to play along.
It is a miscalculation, of course, but one politicans make. Remember, they weren’t much nicer to Howard Dean, constantly undercutting his leadership until people jumped on them and they still won’t stop.
Is that’s what’s wrong with the General? I can get my site okay, and I’m on blogger.
Holy shit, like a genie he appears!
Generals back.
Howard Dean has been in CT stumping for Ned.
Bookmark this link, gang, for future reference:
http://status.blogger.com/
Network problems — could translate to hack-attack if I read between the lines. Remember that an awful high concentration of progressive bloggers are in Blogger.
And before anybody starts crabbing about Google (Blogger’s owner/operator/host), check this out:
Google Earth voter guide
steve gilliard @ 13
Lamont may play along, but we, the Democratic voters, will not.
After November 7, regardless of what happens in the election, the progressive blogosphere and Democrats across the country will focus like a laser on the problems within our own party, starting with the profound and unforgivable disrespect that our party leaders have shown for the Democratic voters of Connecticut.
Sometimes the thought occurs that Lieberman is actually more distasteful than Bush.
The two biggest political disappointments in my life for me:
Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. In that order.
George Will has a moment of lucidity in his otherwise wasted existence. From the current Newsweek:
In a recent interview with Vice President Cheney, Time magazine asked, “If you had to take back any one thing you’d said about Iraq, what would it be?” Selecting from what one hopes is a very long list, Cheney replied: “I thought that the elections that we went through in ‘05 would have had a bigger impact on the level of violence than they have … I thought we were over the hump in terms of violence. I think that was premature.”
He thinks so? Clearly, and weirdly, he implies that the elections had some positive impact on the level of violence. Worse, in the full transcript of the interview posted online he said the big impact he expected from the elections “hasn’t happened yet.” “Yet”? Doggedness can be admirable, but this is clinical.
http://nedlamont.com/blog/2034…..ty-edition
FRom the Lamontblog- a really good take on the Seniority thing:
~~~~Outside the box, Seniority Edition
First of all, does anyone think Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee is an appropriate position for Joe Lieberman to exercise his, ummm, bipartisanship? We’ve all seen how far that has gotten the country with emergency management post-9/11 and in the war in Iraq.
And then there’s the whole “delivering for Connecticut” canard. 49th out of 50 and all…
But I wish folks talking about the glory of seniority would step outside of the conventional D.C. way of thinking for a moment… Look at this grassroots movement our campaign has built. Not just in Connecticut, but nationwide. Sure, Ned might enter the Senator tied for 95th in “seniority,” but he brings with him a legion of followers in each of the 50 states. The same legion that will follow his legislative career with the same zeal they stay abreat of campaign happenings. You can be sure these supporters will be in touch with their representatives when Ned introduces a bill on universal pre-school, for example.
Let’s be honest with ourselves for a moment. Joe Lieberman has little pull with his Republican colleagues in the Senate. It’s not like the GOP has acted with much deference for the minority. And even if he did have pull, it’s not like he’s using his “position of honor” for anything other than the facilitation of a failed PR plan for success in Iraq.
Not only will Ned Lamont bring an entirely fresh perspective to the Senate, but a constituency far different from the DC lobbyists and political action committees that fund the campaigns of most representatives.
Who knows how much of a difference that will make, but we do know one thing: it’s time for change in D.C. It’s time for a different approach to getting things done and moving legislation in the capitol. Ned Lamont gives the people of Connecticut, and America, the best chance to change the course.~~~~
TeddySanFran, I see your EPU and raise you one EPU’ed response:
It’s important to realize that Establishment Democrats are not being bullied into supporting Lieberman. They are doing it of their own free will. His views are their views. His ways (backstabbing, limp, hypocritical, self-serving) are their ways. He is a symbol for all that is worst in the Democratic Party. Schumer is a Lieberman clone (but without the charisma *g*). Obama will be Lieberman in 10 years.
Jane Hamsher @ 4:52 pm (#5)
Per TeddySanFran’s suggestion, I wrote to Pres. Clinton via the contact form at his foundation’s site. I mentioned Scaife, threw in Mel Sembler for good measure, and that there seemed to be folks in Connecticut who thought Joe was the Democratic candidate because Bubba campaigned for him. I said it looked like Ned had some momentum, thanks to the debates, the NYT endorsement, and Schlessinger eating into Lieberman’s lead.
Anyone who feels like writing just click on the link in the previous paragraph.
OK kiddo,
as Digby said, optimism is a trait, delusional is a diagnosis.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
*xyz @
20
Yep.
Read this unsigned piece, entitled “Vote Republican,” from Scaife’s Tribune-Review. (If you can get through it–I’ve rarely seen a worse piece of incoherent dreck. The claim that it is “written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer” is quite amusing.) Then remember that the publisher behind it is a Lieberman contributor.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/…..76992.html
This whole Lieberman episode has really shined a huge light on the cockroaches in the Dem. party.
“it’s very clear that the Democratic Party leadership is rotten to the core.”
This comment is the key. It’s doen’t matter if the Democrats take control of the House or Senate. Most of the leadership is GOP-light and Lieberman being part of this leadership represents the real agenda. Talk like Democrats and suck like Republicans. Oppose the war and vote to fund it.
Howard Dean has it right. Real Democrats have to think long term and work from the ground up. As Jim Webb said the other day, the fish rots from the head up. The head of the Democrats rots as much as the head to the Republicans.
No matter what happens on Election Day, the stench in DC will remain.
Jane, first of all, many thanks for referring to Wes Clark as a “high profile Democrat”… sadly, that’s an appellation rarely directed his way and much appreciated… and (in my opinion) well deserved…
Secondly, it truly is disgraceful how the Democratic leadership has for all intents and purposes abandoned Ned Lamont… as if the primary was their “point made” moment and they suddenly realized how beholden they really are to Joementum… clearly they’re much more afraid of what might happen should Lieberman win than excited by the prospect of Lamont winning…that and the realization that if it can happen to Joementum, it can happen to any of them, and THAT’S what they’re more afraid of than even the perpetuation of the Republican stranglehold on our government… names should be committed to memory and a self-fulfilling prophecy should be in the offing for any and all of them who’ve helped to perpetrate this charade…
This is the wrong time to get incensed about this; we should not be devoting time and energy to thinking about how the DC Establishment is in cahoots with Lieberman when we need to focus all of our efforts against the Republicans. I am speechless with anger about what a total sell-out Joe has become in his old age, and I think he should have been kicked out out of the caucus once he decided to run against the Democratic candidate chosen by the Democratic voters of Connecticut, but now is the worst moment to become discouraged about the Democratic party leadership. Let’s not lose heart, particularly because Joe has no GOTV except the Republicans, and a lot of them are going to hesitate at the very least before plucking Loserman’s lever way down the ballot.
ThatSinger @ 31
I’m not sure that “they” have actually thought through the consequences in such detail, but that REALLY is the message that it is being sent- shape up, or it will happen to you…
Message sent. Message received? We’ll see.
Joe-Bama!
Faux progressive place-holders in solid blue states, just like Loserman was all those years in the Senate – taking up space where a real Democrat could be…
(assuming for the moment that ‘real democrat’ is the opposite of the Emmanuel/Clinton/Pelosi Beltway leadership types.)
Ken Dow @
28
Incoherent dreck from a Washington-based British journalist and political observer?
Do I smell Christopher Hitchens?
Cujo359 @
24
I’ve wanted to write a “Wake the Fuck UP!!!” post at the Lamont Blog, but I’ll practice here first.
What is wrong with the Lamont Campaign?
Ever since the Primary, he hires Clinton Loser consultants, and runs as Lieberman-Lite. Guess who’s in the lead? If the people of Connecticut want a Lieberman, they’ll go for the real thing.
I’m not saying Wolfson is a plant, but the Clinton’s luv them some Lieberman — and ever since the primary, insurgent Ned Lamont has gone dark, while the mainstream suck up Lieberman Lite has muddied the message.
Ned Lamont needs to go on the ATTACK, and go back to his NetRoots and GrassRoots Insurgent Hero persona.
Itty bitty little calculated offensives ain’t gonna cut it — Ned Lamont booted it after the primary, and he’s got 4 or 5 days to get his mojo back.
“written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer”
Insert the word “drunken” just before ‘Washington-based’ and I believe we see Christopher Hitchens.
DeWitt Grey @ 32
No one here at FDL is going to take their eye off November 7. We are all focused on it and working tirelessly to get Democrats elected across the country. That includes all of us who are critical of the current party leadership.
Back from canvassing and sign repairs in the fresh snow. Am I getting too old to lift up a 4-foot by 8-foot sign that as been chopped up and graffiti’d all by myself? Apparently, yes. Gotta see the doc about my left shoulder. I turn 60 Friday, but I’ve never been so energized by what I’m hearing canvassing.
A friend’s husband is involved with the Don Young campaign, and he told her Young did their own poll Friday and it shows Benson down by 5 – up four from early in the week. Benson’s poll was before a spate of newspaper and radio articles around the state highly critical of Young and before their sole debate on Wednesday, which introduced a lot of viewers and listeners to Diane for the first time.
They don’t plan on releasing it, but Young’s CM countered Benson’s poll to the media with a total fabrication about their results – saying she wasn’t anywhere near as close as she is. When a TV news guy asked when they were going to release the poll, Young’s guy replied it was for internal use only…..
LJ/Aquaria @ 5:15 pm (#35)
If the odor reminds you of alcohol, quite possibly.
Cujo359 @ 41
It’s that or the pile of empty bottles of Glenlivet piled up around it.
Valley Girl @ 33
True, Valley Girl… I’m probably ascribing a great deal more foresight and intuitive thinking to them than they actually possess…
How could we have arrived at this moment? That the “greatest nation on Earth”, is also the most corrupt. Lieberman is emblematic of most of what’s wrong with us.
Cujo359 @ 41
Oh, snap!!!
Valley Girl @ 29
An emphatic – YES.
Clinton promised to campaign for the winner of the CT primary.
Is Bill Clinton a liar? (No snickering)
Does he think Lamont supporters don’t remember, don’t vote in national elections, don’t donate money, don’t volunteer?
Just askin’
So Jane, wha’s your take on the Lamont campaign? You were on the ground there for two months; did he sit on the lead or have other events just overtaken the focus on CT?
-ck- @ 37
Ned is not an empty vessel into which people project what they want to see.
This is Ned:
Ned Lamont has run a far less polished campaign than Mr. Lieberman, but the more we see of him, the more impressed we are by his intelligence and his growing sophistication about the issues facing the nation. He is very much in the Connecticut mold of basically moderate, principled politicians, and his willingness to take on Mr. Lieberman when no one else dared to do it showed real courage and conviction. He would make a good senator. More important, he has the capacity to continually become a better one. We endorse Ned Lamont for Senate.
I wish Arianna and her minions would give it a rest.
Former chairs of the DLC:
President Bill Clinton
Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana
Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut
Rep. Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma
Sen. John Breaux of Louisiana
Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia
Sen. Charles Robb of Virginia
Former House Democratic Leader Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri.
When the military types speak out against you, you know you’re fucked.
Josh has this up over at TPM, from Joe Galloway, via military.com:
And now, a very special message from the pResident
So where is blogmeister Peter Daou these days? I thought he was supposed to get Bill and Hillary up to speed on the blogosphere but given their popularity here I would say he’s on vacation, a good time too, end of October, nothing much going on . . .
ET- wowsa! In honor of your great contributions at FDL, I am gonna go kick in something (again) for Diane Benson. Especially in light of your previous comments that a $10 contribution to her campaign goes as far as $100 elsewhere. Sorry it is only a small donation, but my credit card is overused…
ET’s article about Diane Benson (don’t be confused by the author name- he has another identity is at DownWithTyranny. Sorry ET- I tried to link it, but Blogger is off/ slow right now.
contribute: http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
dab from CT @ 48
That’s what I’m saying…as the whole campaign season has heated up and events have overtaken the Thugs, CT ain’t the only game in town like it was this summer.
And Dab, did my email ever come through?
Twisted Martini @ 47
I think that while the blogosphere got mindfucked by the irrelevant Q-Poll, the Lamont campaign just kept doing their thing.
Joe is obviously scared, and not because he’s any 17 points ahead. He can’t make up for the ground game Lamont has by buying one of his own so he’s got to have a solid lead, and in an extremely volatile race the momentum is on the Lamont side.
Joe is not sleeping easily. But neither should Lamont. This is anybody’s race and one big mistake could swing the race either way. It’s balls-to-the-wall.
I have been saying this for the past month. The fact that DC Dems have stayed out of CT and supporting Ned has been an endorsement of Lieberman.
If Ned loses, I will never, never, never give another dime or minute to any DC Dem. That may mean that I will have no one ever to vote for in the future (except WES CLARK!!), but I will give up voting in return for what DC Dems have done to those of us in CT who chose our candidate on August 8th.
F*ck ‘em if they can’t take a joke!
When I first started commenting here in the summer 0f 2005, I was still a Green Party of Alaska member. I’ve since joined your party and donated more money to Democratic Party candidates than in my entire life up till this late summer. The Dem Apparatchiks being so eloquently described here today are a large part of what is keeping 5 million young people from participating in politics. And another 3 or 4 million people like me who have long felt or known about your so-called leaders what you are so painfully learning this past 3 months……..
Ed*ard Teller — good for you, sore shoulder and all!! You are obviously making a measurable dent in Young’s *ss if they are holding the cards so close to their vest. If internals were better, they’d share them. I’d bet you folks are sidling up to MOE. Bravo!!
DeWitt Grey — I’m with *xyz, will be working full time and then some this next week at the local Dem org office, cooking dinners for them several nights after manning phones all day. We are taking NOTHING for granted here on the ground; only the responses we get from voters dictate what we do.
But we absolutely MUST be able to think and act both tactically (on the election pre-game right now) and on the strategic (post-election through 2008 and 2010) RIGHT NOW, at the same time. In my home state, the election of party officials must occur within 30 days of the election, with candidate slates being lined up at this very moment for executive boards and committee chairs, along with identifying delegates who are needed to vote for a slate to win.
[FIREPUPS: NOTE THAT LAST BIT CAREFULLY — you need to be a registered Democratic Party member in your state RIGHT NOW, for this purpose. This is where YOU make the difference in the party for which you are working so damned hard!!!]
And in my hometown, we have already earned a critical mass of delegates, are already courting/being courted for our votes, have a partial slate aligned, and are prepared to seat the next party chair. The slate we’ve got in mind may completely upend the old school entrenched powerbase, rock their little world to its core. And the same folks will in turn shape the state party and how it relates to the DNC.
And on through the rest of the food chain.
Go to your local and state party websites, find out what the process is for the party elections; if you don’t see anything, wait until immediately after the election and call the party and ask them for details. (Don’t call between now and election, everybody will be working to get progressives elected. Just make sure you’ve paid your party membership dues between now and then; they could use the money for their GOTV efforts.) And then get yourself inserted into the process of creating the new Democratic organization.
Twisted Martini – let me go check the bulk mail filter
Clinton promised to campaign for the winner of the CT primary
I haven’t heard or read that before and would be very interested in seeing a link that backs that up. Thanks
Twisted – last one I received was dated Thursday. I replied on Friday.
Nothing after that.
What strange Evil Parallel Universe is this?
For 2 years we’ve been singing the praises of Democrats, fighting tooth and nail and $$$ to make sure they take over Congress.
Now, one week before the election, we are devoting an entire thread to what scumbags they are and how we shall have revenge.
I sure hope undecided voters aren’t reading this…
The view here remains unchanged. Lamont will win.
Rayne @ 58
When I started volunteering for Diane Benson, I didn’t think she could win unless more of what will inevitably come out about Young did come out before the election. But I had faith she’d be an important PROGRESSIVE Dem to help rebuild the party on the ruins of the Dem Apparatchiks.
But I’m increasingly believing she might pull this off, even without another Young scandal.
http://bensonforcongress.com/
Balrog @ 62
The realities are a bit more subtle.
Cozumel,
It was stated after the primary and has been discussed quite often.
I will try to find the link. Anyone else who has it handy please feel free to link.
Hey ET- did you see- In your honor I just donated again to Benson.
Cozumel @ 60
Not a direct promise, but…
WaPo – The Fix, by Chris Calizza, July 20, 2006
I guess it depends on what the meaning of ’support’ is.
;>)
balrog,
It’s just being realistic. The Republicans are criminal and incompetent. Establishment Democrats are feckless or we would have seen them acting (from their postions of leadership) like an opposition party sometime in the last 6 years. There are other Democrats out there who are very, very good. Being fact based, we need to stay fact based. Even feckless is better than the Republican alternative.
Balrog — The real Democratic Party — the one that Howard Dean referred to as “the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party” — believes in the tenets of democratic process (little d).
That includes oversight, not just between the separate and co-equal arms of our federal government, but within our own ranks, within our own party.
It is a testament to the nature of our beliefs that we hold the feet of our Democratic leaders to the fire, asking them to walk the walk. You’ll note that the Republicans do not do this; they circle up the wagons no matter how corrupt their members may be.
That don’t fly here. Leaders of the Democratic Party must support the outcome of untainted democratic elections; if they don’t, they do not subscribe to the values of our party and should expect to be pummeled for it.
Undecided voters reading this should understand that we will demand the same kind of performance from Democratic leaders who are elected to serve the public trust; we will brook no breach of that trust from our own.
Oklahoma Kiddo:
They haven’t disappointed me because I’ve always been suspect of the Clintons since NAFTA. My biggest disappointment has been Barbara Boxer. I am red-faced with shame that she hasn’t been there for Ned in a big, enthusiastic way.
I’m a little disappointed in Feingold. Why, Russ?
But the Lamont/Lieberman general has been the real litmus test that exposes the pols for who they really are for: the people or the aristocratic ruling class.
Get out the Joe.
-GSD
Cozumel @ 60
The closest I could find was an AP article that says:
Copyright 2006 Associated Press
All Rights Reserved
The Associated Press
July 25, 2006 Tuesday 1:32 AM GMT
Hey, I found Al Gore!
He’s gone over to the British. Guess he decided to go help out where people would listen to him…
My BF (best friend) in CT told me recently that when Clinton was in law school at Yale, he worked on a Lieberman campaign. I haven’t checked this out on the google, but would have been ~1970-1973, for whatever Joe was running for at the time.
Valley Girl @ 65
Oh.
IF this race wasn’t a “litmus test” from the moment Joe Lieberman quit the party, it sure as hell oughta be after his vote on torture and habeus corpus.
(To our lawyer friends: Is habeus corpus typically capitalized?)
Balrog @ 62
Balrog, I think readers of FDL are intelligent enough to know that support for the Democratic party and criticism of certain actions of its leadership are not mutually exclusive of one another. We believe in the Democratic party and we will work relentlessly on its behalf in the days leading up to November 7.
However, this is also no time to give the leadership of our party a free pass. They must be made aware that they will be held accountable for their actions in the days leading up to this election. Doing so gives them time to shape up.
For example – it really isn’t too late for President Clinton to hop in his car and drive half an hour to Connecticut to stump for Ned. I hope he does it.
And he should know, for the sake of his wife’s political career, that there will be severe political consequences for her if he doesn’t.
fuck joe
go ned
fitz, what happened?
Valley Girl @ 75
It’s a fact. Cited in the same article above and in many others.
UptownNYChick @ 80
Thanks- sorry for not following all the links!
Valley Girl @ 75
I think it was attorney general or state lege, but yeah, they met at Yale, I’m pretty sure.
Via Avedon Carol at the Sideshow, from The Talking Heads Thread this morning:
ralphbon @
8
This would look good on the masthead of any progressive blog, just say’n’.
Hey gang, I was snarking on ourselves @62. I fully understand what the discussion was about and what the realities are.
Thanks, all! That one I’ve seen, support ; ) And that’s a bit different. I just cringe when I read a comment here that’s
propagandainacurate designed for internal consumptionRichard’s Melon’s Scraped.
-GSD
Valley Girl @ 81
Valley Girl @ 33
I can’t argue with this or for it, but I have to wonder just what kind of politicians they are if they don’t consider the political consequences of their actions or things that happen. It’s like an engineer who doesn’t consider possible failure modes of a design, or a doctor who prescribes medication before checking for contraindications. In short, if they’re not doing it they’re not any good at their jobs.
Balrog —
Hmmph. If there’d been /snark tag, I’d have skipped the reply.
On the other hand, it doesn’t hurt for us to be able to clearly articulate the beef we have with certain less-than-adequate Dems.
“For 2 years we’ve been singing the praises of Democrats, fighting tooth and nail and $$$ to make sure they take over Congress.
Now, one week before the election, we are devoting an entire thread to what scumbags they are and how we shall have revenge.
I sure hope undecided voters aren’t reading this…”
There’s a difference between Democrats and the Democratic Leadership. Voting a Democratic Congress is only part 1. Part 2 is cutting off the rotten head. The way to do this is to get in some honest people like Webb and Tester and hope they don’t do a Barak, who has decided the way to get ahead is to hitch himself with the leadership instead of kicking its butt to clear it out of the way. My point is that until part 2 occurs, the difference between a GOP held Congress and a Democrat held Congress will be more apparent than real. At least when the GOP is in control, we don’t have to hold our nose to ignore the stench.
Cozumel @ 85
Going through a bunch of articles, but seems both Clintons were very careful to word their responses that they would support the primary winner.
I guess their idea of support was a check and a fundraiser.
jeffreyw @ 83
Maybe with a strategy something like, As Democrats stand up, activists and bloggers will stand down.
(OT – but Lou Dobbs actually mentioned bloggers in a polite, positive way vis a vis the voting machines scandal)
Richard Mellon Scaife Joe LIEberman = Malignancy eroding America
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=2513334
Reply #2: No one has seen him (Obama) in CT … don’t they have any book stores good enough for him …
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=2513390
We will not forget …
BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION – 24/7
XYZ wrote:
“After November 7, regardless of what happens in the election, the progressive blogosphere and Democrats across the country will focus like a laser on the problems within our own party, starting with the profound and unforgivable disrespect that our party leaders have shown for the Democratic voters of Connecticut.”
Fucking amen to that. Those Democratic wimps in the Senate are going to find out that the progressive blogosphere has a very l-o-n-g memory.
Jim @ 5:46 pm (#77)
IANAL, but it’s spelled habeas corpus, and I almost never see it capitalized.
Valley Girl @
67
Awesome, VG!!! egregious’s ActBlue hasn’t had much new action since late Friday, but if everyone here who hasn’t donated to Diane Benson – the most cost-effective surprise US House shift in recent history – ponies up $5.00 each, it will warm our hearts and help us finally get on TV this last week.
Think about that, doggies. This courageous woman has come to striking distance of one of the sleaziest of Abramoff’s denizens while being outspent over 20 to 1! And without a single TV ad. They’re produced and ready, but we can’t afford to air them. We’re rationing radio ads.
She’s also a lot better looking than Ned….
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
LindaR @ 71
I voted for Boxer several times while living in Cali. I suppose you could say I am extremely disappointed in her not helping Lamont. I understand and certainly find myself in sympathy for what your are telling us. How is it in Placer County these days?
THanks Cujo
“I think readers of FDL are intelligent enough to know that support for the Democratic party and criticism of certain actions of its leadership are not mutually exclusive of one another. We believe in the Democratic party and we will work relentlessly on its behalf in the days leading up to November 7.”
Sorry…but I see the Dem Party and these spineless DC Dems as one in the same. And I WILL hold them accountable in the future. I will leave the party. End of subject.
very l-o-n-g memory = The Memory Hole
very l-o-n-g memory = Google archives
Which should also serve as a warning that we absolutely must work on Net Neutrality under the 110th Congress, whatever the outcome of the election.
sha – go back and fix it while you can still edit…
dab from CT @ 46
A-fucking-men
“Jay Carson, a spokesman for President Clinton, said that the former president and his wife share the same position. “President Clinton is looking forward to campaigning with Senator Lieberman on Monday and will work hard to help ensure he wins the primary, but he respects the primary process and will support the candidate that wins the Democratic primary”
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..eberm.html
I’m assume support includes campaigning – since the statement was made in the context of his campaigning for Lieberman.
But this could have just been one of Clinton’s BS statements where he says one thing knowing people would assume something else.
I’ll look for something more specific – but in my search I’ve also found a very disturbing Clinton interview that Arianna wrote about during the primary – which explains a lot of his behavior and motives.
If we attack Iran, I hold Lieberman partly responsible.
“AN EMBATTLED president, a Congress distracted by a sex scandal, looming midterm elections — and yet overwhelming agreement, with scant debate or publicity, on fateful legislation that set the nation on a path to war.”
“It happened eight autumns ago, when three-quarters of the House of Representatives and every single senator voted for regime change in Iraq.”
“Has it happened again, on Iran?”
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..-rightrail
zoning out in front of the box after a day of phone banking and taking older folks to vote
. . . who are you people and what have you done to the usual pool boys and lemmings on CNN ??
is anyone watching CNN right now -
sweet jesus, it’s as if someone here wrote most of it -
“Congress is in effect a Rubber Stamp for George Bush”
“Incumbency Protection Agenda”
“Beyond Profligate in their spending”
“Power for the Sake of Power”
and breaking down the mechanics of the Dems powerlessness under this regime – also weaving the so called ethics committee travesty throughout the program
sixty minutes of fact based reporting – Ed friggin’ Henry, who knew ?!?
Did I understand something that was said earlier in this comment section…was Lamont “promised” that DC Dems would talk Lieberman out of running as an independent if Lamont would not attack him….so he quieted down for a few weeks, and then he got f*cked?
If that’s true, it’s unbelieveable!!!!
Sha — You ARE the party.
The real problem with the party as it exists today is that far too many of us didn’t realize this essential truth before 2000, before 1994.
What I wrote about reshaping the local party upthread I did not personally learn until two years ago, and I learned it the hard way, after the party elections had already happened. I wasn’t there to stop the impending debacle, could only spend the next two years cleaning up.
Actually Joe is a journalist. He was with the 1st Cav at the Ia Drang Valley as a reporter for the Columbus Distpatch. He also co-wrote “We Were Soldiers” with Hal Moore. I guess he could be cast as a military “type” since he had to pick up an M-16 when the 7th Cav was in a bad way.
LJ/Aquaria @
50
LJ/Aquaria @
35
And the dregs of the bottle.
Ed*ard Teller @
96
How much do you need to get on the air, ET?
Not that I have the kind of money to do that for you, but it might give us an idea of how much we need to raise, if we might need to coordinate with someplace like dKos, AmericaBlog or the like, etc.
People are a lot more inclined to participate if they have a goal in mind.
Ed*ard Teller @ 96
“She’s a lot better looking than Ned.” Now, now ET, you’re not gonna win any friends with that one… I think Ned is quite handsome, both in inner and outer being. The real deal. Were you making that comment from a sexist ;) perspective? AND, by now you should know how obsessed I am with the CT Senate campaign. FWIW, without any conscious intent, having looked back on my contributions, I note that most of them have been for female candidates… funny, that. Go NED!!!!!!!!! Go DIANE!!!!!!
Sha @ 106
all too believable to me, frankly. Biden, Lieberman, Schumer, I’d throw in Pryor (DINO-Tyson, WalMart) and Landrieu (lotso oil bidness in LA, ain’t there?), Dianne Defense Contractor Feinstein….?. I have no problem seeing these people rallying around DLC Joe.
I thought I was the party… only to find out that I was in the wrong place with the wrong people. But the people I want to hang with don’t seem to exist in politics.
So I have no choice as I see it. I know people will say that you have to keep on keeping on, but quite frankly, I’m tired. I’ve tried and I’ve failed.
And I am very sad about my wasted efforts.
raven @ 108
I listed him that way because it was posted at Military.com (as noted in the original), and they tend to be a little more gung-ho about such things than your usual lefty site. You don’t exactly see a lot of our type of rhetoric over there, that’s for sure.
The ongoing game of “DC DEMS Mystery Date”
surely remains fully cloaked as to how the
DEMS remain tilted and slanted to JOE FOR JOE
CT PARTY. One may desire to come to bottom of
DC rot and decay money-power politics barrel
but downward still we go. Whatever the logic
line or support rational is regarding Joe Lies
ability to play the DC DEMS as he does is now
fully exposed as being condoned by DC DEMS in
leadership roles. Again and again one is drawn
to conclude the DEMS may well “win” one house
or both of Congress but the rot and decay they
so obviously are a part of will likely remain.
Joe Lies should have been purged after the CT
DEM primay contest was settled. Joe is surely
embedded in the DC rot and pay to play system.
It is an indictment on DC DEMS that they have
been so rudderless regarding DEM support for
Lamont WHO is CT DEM party list candidate. Joe
may slash and burn his way back to DC and “his”
U.S.Senate seat. Doing so he will have little
crediblility. Should he begin sending signals
that he will endorse GOP positions and steer
decisions to the GOP side of outcome he will
be fully exposed. As will DC DEMS who caving
in to DC “system” rot and decay enabled Joe to
openly disregard party cohesion for personal
goals of power desire and ego quest. Pathetic.
Dab, never got your Friday reply.
Gotcha, just thought folks might like to know a bit more about him.
LJ/Aquaria @ 114
ET — I kicked in $10 for Diane Benson. That’ll be peanut butter sandwiches instead of hot lunch for a couple of days the week of the election, but it’s a radio spot.
Now I have to go throw this week’s hot lunches at Blue America for Tony Trupiano’s ad buys.
This situation fills me with the same deep seated anger that I had when slowmentum refused to listen to our pleas and voted for cloture in strip search Sammy’s confirmation.
How dare the “leaders” of the democratic party refuse to support a democratic candidate? They support – through silence and inaction – the candidate who is supported by rethugs? They choose to put slowmentum in a position to decide which party has the majority in the Senate?
Clinton, Obama, Reid, Schumer and any others who have not supported Ned are making a serious miscalculation. They do not realize the illwill, the dedicated dislike they are engendering here. They are on the list. And they are going to go. Presidential aspirations? I don’t think so.
Gotcha, just thought folks might like to know a bit more about him. Check some of his work here
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…../galloway/
LJ/Aquaria @ 114
Sha @ 113
Not wasted. We have a big undertaking – things didnt get fucked up overnight – and those who follow us will have our shoulders to stand on.
We’re just starting to prune and disinfect and cauterize, may take a while to heal.
You are a vital part – we all are.
I “gave up” the first time in 1974 after years of banging myt head against the wall over Vietnam and I wasn’t alone. There’s nothing wrong with taking a break and doing somethiing you find more rewarding or relevant. Despite the cries about “the most important election ever” I think this stuff will always be here.
Urban Pirate @ 121
Ed*ard Teller @ 5:57 pm (#96)
I can’t contribute much, since I have a creature that I’ll have to bail out of the animal hospital, but I tossed a little more in. I notice that the average contribution is $107.38 and I’m still nowhere near that, but I’m doing my best to get the average down.
How much more do we need to get her on TV?
I think the military would call this asymmetric warfare. Anyway, you’re preaching to the choir here.
A value judgement beyond my sexual orientation, but I like her looks more than Ned’s.
LJ/Aquaria @
110
I haven’t been to Diane Benson HQ since Friday. The goal at that point was $5K for TV, and folks were opening letters which had been sent out the week before, soliciting money for TV.
I’m working on my guerrilla local AM-talk radio campaign which begins in twelve hours and thirty minutes. Ooh, boy, this will be fun!
Hey, gang, Ned’s certainly handsome. Better looking than me, for instance.
Urban Pirate at 6:10 pm
Well said.
After the August primary, when Hillary was shamed into no longer actively opposing Ned, she offered him her consultant, Howard Wolfson.
It rather reminded me of the old (supposed) custom whereby Inuit males showed hospitality to visitors by inviting them to “laugh with my woman.” In this case, Hillary was inviting Ned to laugh with her consultant.
I have no idea how much help or harm Wolfson has brought to the campaign, but the real help would have come from HRC commanding Big Dog to laugh with Lamont.
Rayne @ 118
Yes— thanks Rayne- I should say that I already kicked in for the Tony Trupiano ad buy by contributing to Blue America PAC. If anyone else wants to kick in, now is the time, as the deal for the ad buys has to be closed this eve (more or less). Note: to support this ad buy for Tony Trupiano, donations should go to the Blue America PAC this weekend, not his individual candidate box.
Here: http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica#11689
And here is a relevant FDL post:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-trupiano/
carolyn urban @
119
Ab-so-freeking-lutely!!
drive-by drop-off: this SF Chronicle article may have already have been cited today. haven’t read it yet, but the title is not encouraging:
Sha, I understand your disallusionment. All the bums have got to go. But here’s the thing: let’s start with the Republican bums, and restore some balance to this government. Then we can start seriously cleaning our own house.
Jane, who has *juice* with Bubba? Someone–other than his momma, who is no longer with us–who can lay a guilt trip on him that would put a vice-grip to shame, to demand that he step up and support Ned? There MUST be someone who can convince him to go up to CT and light a bonfire under both the Dems who supported Ned in the primary and the Democratic Party hacks who are about to elect a Repug to a Democratic “leadership” position in the U.S. Senate!
I’m not even a Dem, and I loathe the DLC. But I defended Bubba right down to the last vote on impeachment, and I still do!! (And, as much as it pains me, I’ve been giving lotsa $$$ to FDL’s Blue America Dems, including Ned.) Billy Boy is trying to position himself and his legacy as that of a great humanitarian. He’s spoken out against GWB’s obscene war. What the f*ck does he have to lose? It’s not too late to help Ned, although it’s sure getting there!
I’m with Oklahoma Kiddo about how deeply disappointing Hillary has been. She undoubtedly thinks she has to appear to be a “patriot” about the misguided Iraq war, so as to have a chance with middle america in an ‘08 White House run. (Sad to say I will *never* vote for her, as much as I’d like to see a female prez before I die.)
But Bill? He has no excuse . . .
Lord – taking this stroll down memory lane is depressing:
August 9th
In Washington, Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in a statement that Lamont would have the national party’s support. Also laying on hands for Lamont were such powerful party figures as former president Bill Clinton, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Edward M. Kennedy (Mass.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.).
In background conversations, Democratic officials gently signaled their desire that Lieberman abandon his independent candidacy but appeared reluctant to press him publicly. A senior Democratic official in Washington said leaders had met and decided to put off confronting Lieberman at least for a few days, to allow the senator time to absorb the implications of his loss and his new isolation from longtime colleagues and supporters. “There’s a feeling that the dust needs to settle,” the official said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00543.html
Bill throws Lamont under the bus…
http://empirezone.blogs.nytime…..-blessing/
Which, coincidentally, is when Lieberman started pulling ahead of Lamont.
Last I heard the National offices of Planned Parenthood and NARAL are still endorsing Lieberman4Lieberman. Jane in particular has been all over them for a long time about this. When those groups cave, they create “space” for the Vichy Dems.
carolyn urban @ 130
The problem I have is that the people who are poised to balance against the Repugs are people like Harold Ford – who is the biggest phoney, Repug in sheeps’ clothing and who has gone out of his way to endorse Lieberman while touting that the “people of TN want change.”
What the hell does Ford and the other DC Dems think CT Dems want…Lieberman, again. Not!
I don’t think I have it left in me. I feel so flat. So hollow.
Oklahoma Kiddo —
Placer County is driving me crazy! The more it looks like Charlie Brown might beat John Doolittle, the sicker to my stomach I get. I’m like an abused kid who’s learned not to expect good things to happen. Which might describe a Democratic syndrome in a few areas of this country.
Jamison Foser hits another one out of the park
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610270018
I wub this guy
Jane? anyone? Especially Ohio-ans…
OT with apologies, but we JUST returned to OH from important family trip. I’m trying to catch up, & in somewhat of a panic.
I sent the following link out to my various contacts who definitely need to know about such things, & who kinda depend on me for voting info.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/28/211538/28
But I’m wondering if there’s more I should be sharing with them. My contacts are mostly folk who are insanely busy with “real life”, but who definitely WILL vote, and vote progressive, if they just know what to do – hence my niche of providing assistance to them.
But after my absence of less than a week, I am mightily unnerved by the escalation of reports about the potential for dreadful voting problems in OH, all over again(!)
Kos contributor describes most of it pretty well (at link above), but there’s more a-foot here in the realm of absentee ballots that may not reach their destinations because of a requirement for extra postage, in some areas of OH (e.g., Summit County, home to plenty Dem. votes if they can JUST manage to be counted!?!)
I think I can carry the ball o.k. with those I usually nudge & inform, if I just knew the latest on what they should do.
Can anyone help me by providing links to the latest info. on what the bloomin’ heck is going on in OH & what we might be able to do about it right now???
OH’s SecyState, Ken Blackwell, currently running for OH Governor in the same election he’s in charge of, has a proven scandalous record of hanky-panky in causing partisan voting messes (remember OH 2004, anyone?!).
Blackwell continues to surprise by just how low he will stoop to win. His latest (as described in the link above): insanely complicated & stringent rules for exactly how one must apply for & fill out absentee ballots. Since Democrats are heavily depending on absentee ballot votes in their OH GOTV this year, this is potentially a VERY SERIOUS problem.
I would be most grateful if any firedawgs could provide me with other informative links to help ensure all of the folk who depend on me have a good chance of having their votes counted.
I’d also appreciate knowing ASAP about same. These busy guys run the gamut: professors, lawyers, retired auto workers & travelling musicians, & are often simply out of touch for days at a time.
Last I looked, our window of time is rapidly shrinking, so I’m pleading for help.
Thanks in advance, for any help anyone can offer. Again, just links to the latest ideas on how to counter Blackwell’s tricks would be enough to enable me to do my part in providing informed GOTV help.
Go Blue, *puff puff*
Lieberman4Lieberman is also winning, because of Karl Rove. The day after Ned’s victory, it was leaked that Rove called Joe. That was “code” to big GOP donors to contribute to Joe.
Brown in Ohio and Casey in PA owe Ned big time, he siphoned off GOP funds that otherwise would have gone to DeWine and Santorum.
punaise – that bogus Q poll was a gift from Doug Schwartz that just keeps on giving. Even though Rasmussen is releasing a poll tomorrow that has Lamont 8 points down.
Disgusting
John Casper @ 133
Last I heard the National offices of Planned Parenthood and NARAL are still endorsing Lieberman4Lieberman. Jane in particular has been all over them for a long time about this. When those groups cave, they create “space” for the Vichy Dems.
————————————–
I’ve written Planned Parenthood and NARAL off, too. I sent them e-mails and told them to take me off their lists until they decide to support Lamont…which, of course, they haven’t done.
By the way, I’ve given a lot of money in the past. Now I can spend it on something worthwhile!
I’ve seen Howie and Jane – or maybe Christy – use the term “low information district.” Is there a specific definition for that term? I feel like I live in a “low information state.”
dab from CT @ 139
Were you out knocking on doors today? Can’t remember what your plans were. If so, any feedback?
Great article in Stamford Advocate today about Clinton & the Lamont campaign:
Bill Clinton a no-show in Senate battle
By Neil Vigdor
Staff Writer
October 29, 2006
A Who’s Who list of Democrats have campaigned with Ned Lamont since he won his party’s nomination over incumbent Joseph Lieberman in August, from Howard Dean and John Kerry to Chris Dodd and John Edwards.
But with less than two weeks remaining in the race and some polls showing Lamont trailing Lieberman by double digits in their general election rematch, a major name continues to elude the party nominee — Bill Clinton.
Though he lives less than 14 miles from Lamont in Chappaqua, N.Y., the former president has stayed out of Connecticut. He has chosen to spend time this month on the campaign trail instead with Democrats in Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Illinois, Kentucky, Florida, Virginia, Maryland, Maine, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.
(snip)
A spokeswoman for Clinton, who pledged to support the primary winner in August, said the former president’s schedule was not public and referred questions about the subject to Lamont’s campaign.
Lieberman’s campaign spokesman, Dan Gerstein, said he was not surprised Clinton had not appeared and suggested the former president might be focusing on races where Democrats are being threatened by Republicans.
(snip)
State Democratic Chairwoman Nancy DiNardo said Clinton’s busy schedule makes him difficult to book for event.
“You have to request him, just from experience, I would say far in advance,” DiNardo said. “I think (Lamont’s campaign) probably recognizes that, and that’s why they haven’t put in the request.”
In contrast, former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted a fundraiser for Lamont last weekend in Manhattan. The incumbent U.S. senator also hosted Lamont at her Chappaqua home after his primary victory, pledging her support and offering one of her top campaign strategists.
Lamont’s supporters downplayed the lack of an appearance by Clinton.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co…..-headlines
Completely off topic and for all the cat lovers here.
dab from CT @ 139
I wonder if the messaging this week will be “Lamont coming on with a ton of steam following debates”. I mean he picked up 9 in a week, right?
Hahahah, I don’t think so either. :(
wow! . . . Rasmussen tilts right, and with margin of error at 3-4%, that means it’s tighter than shit
Oh and there’s this:
and we all know how that worked out
Go Dogs Go !!!!
The brilliant strategery of Karl Rove and George W. Bush.
Cluster fuck strategy.
-GSD
Twisted – I just resent my email using both your email addresses
Got a question for a Washington Postie? Tomorrow’s chatz:
Congressional correspondent Shailagh Murray at 11 eastern:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01488.html
Media reporter Howard Kurtz at Noon eastern:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01487.html
K Street Confidential’s Jeffrey Birnbaum at 1 eastern:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00982.html
Might be interesting to ask Mr. Birnbaum what he thinks about the big shift in K Street giving to the Dems over the last few weeks in October….
Adie @6:24 – I think you’re right to be concerned. Here’s a place to start looking, with lots of links
http://www.solarbus.org
I’ve got to get my son into bed. I’ll be back in 30 minutes and try to dig up some more sites for you to look at. Good luck
Urban Pirate @ 145
This week will be interesting. On radio here they said Schlessinger will get on air with first ads. That will cut into Joe’s tally too.
LindaR @ 144
ROFL!!! Thanks!
Another bit on how allowing Lieberman to continue on without a slap down is hurting all Dems in CT:
Lieberman’s presence in the campaign isn’t helping the three Democratic challengers in the hotly contested House races either. His role in “consolidating those Republican voters is actually helping all three Connecticut Republicans,” Nathan Gonzales, editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, a highly regarded political newsletter, told the Bloomberg news service. Gonzales said “the trio is in better shape than what a lot of people thought earlier” and he predicted only the Rob Simmons seat is up for grabs with the others held by Nancy Johnson and Christopher Shays leaning Republican.
And so, once again Joe Lieberman’s selfishness is hurting his own party or what he claims will be his own party once again if he returns to the Senate. At times, though, he’s been unsure if a Democratic takeover of Congress would be a good thing.
By playing a bipartisan when, in fact, his voting record is mostly Democratic, Lieberman is appealing to some Republicans and hurting his three House colleagues but that’s something we’ve come to expect of good, old, me-first Joe since he ran simultaneously for vice president and senator six years ago.
http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?…..79deb37f3b
You may be interested to hear what Wes Clark Jr (Wesley Clark’s son)
has to say about Democrats. Wes Jr was very involved in his Father’s decision to run for President and he worked very hard campaigning for his Father.
http://www.theyoungturks.com/s…..213321/962
p.s. Rasmussen is well known for using a small “sample” (less than 250 people), and sometimes post margins of error as high as 7%
Adie, on that site go to Peace and Justice, then scroll down to Election Justice Center.
darkblack @ 68
The same thing it means in corporate America: “I support you!” means: Go do it yourself, and if you don’t get eviscerated, I’ll be there to help take credit for your accomplishments.
LindaR @ 144
LindaR- oh THANK YOU for that link!!!! I needed the laugh, and it is such a great video! As they say, that link’s a keeper. Probably the best cat video I have seen!
p.s. – Rasmussen is well known for using a small “sample” (less than 250 people), and sometimes post margins of error as high as 7%
Okay, ET has let us know that Benson needs $5K to get on the air. Now we know what we need to do. Who’s ready to rip the data over to some of our sister sites to get that in the bank by tomorrow afternoon?
I think AmericaBlog would be a hard sell without a definitive statement on gay rights from Diane. She says a lot about equal rights for all Americans, it seems to be between the lines that she’s strong on gay rights, but I don’t see it on her site. ET, do you have something to pop over to John that’s a bit more specific?
LindaR @ 135
“Placer County is driving me crazy!” This is not good. The moment may have arrived perhaps, to suggest to yourself it’s time to get out. I never fully realized how life in the fast lane of CA. was affecting my well being, until I left. I feel for you. Believe me.
Hey, somebody needs to tell Harry Reid to call it a “Peanuts special.” We’ve got a very special Charlie Brown right here in California, and don’t need the Senate Minority Leader confusing things:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..866_2.html
And for you dog lovers out there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThejP9mHYQ
Thanks to everyone here who has responded to my plea for contributions toward Diane Benson’s TV ad hopes!
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
off to make dinner –
grilled Copper River sockeye
homemade pesto on pasta
roasted beet, burdock root, romaine and roquefort salad.
Jane Hamsher @
27
Warms my heart to read this. We have many a Republicans in our party consultants and leadership. I am ready to declare their names and kick some arse.
cbl @ 159
What’s your point?
Before the Q poll Lamont’s latest polls were 8%, 6% and 12%.
The 8% of Rasmussen tracks with internal polling.
OT, but I just saw this on my daily slashdot mailing:
* Bush Signs Bill Enabling Martial Law
and the link:
http://politics.slashdot.org/a…..28/1934208
I thought this had to be a joke or hoax. But the slashdot writeup was straightforward enough, and the link leads to a bill enacted by the House, containing the following language. Is there anytone in the doghouse tonight who is familiar with the language and construction of these things who can comment?
My reflexive reaction was, “so that’s why Rove and Bush aren’t worried about the outcome of the election next month…”
SEC. 1076. USE OF THE ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMER-
GENCIES.
(a) USE OF THE ARMED FORCES AUTHORIZED.–
(1) IN GENERAL.–Section 333 of title 10, United States
Code, is amended to read as follows:
“ 333. Major public emergencies; interference with State and
Federal law
“(a) USE OF ARMED FORCES IN MAJOR PUBLIC EMERGENCIES.–
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to
`(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United
States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that–
“(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; and
“(ii) such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
“(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic
violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition
described in paragraph (2).
UptownNYChick @ 151
I really shouldn’t be so cynical. After all, since the drop to -17 brought about hand-wringing and death knells (I’m guilty too), a 9 point gain really should get some positive press.
I’m sure glad that q poll gets pushed back, it seemed to be the “latest poll” forever.
Striking distance now, I hope.
KathieinMN @ 174
I think we’re all coming down with “short time syndrome” — where convicts at the end of their sentences and workers on the cusp of retirement go bonkers.
LMAO.
Regarding the cat and the toilet. What a riot. I’m nuts about felines. Mine is a sharpie too. And we agree on all things save one. Politics. I’m a flaming liberal and my cat, Opal, well lets just say, she supports Lieberman. And likes Laura too.
carolyn urban at 150
THANK YOU!
I’ll check out the solarbus,org link. And, even tho I may have to surrender the ‘puter to dear hubby later, I will check back on this thread when I get a chance, and would very much appreciate any other links you turn up also.
A bunch of those folk I have as contacts are sorta like pyramids of contacts that I know I can count on to spread the word pretty fast. They’re all worried also, but so angry I know they’ll come through at crunch time with whatever looks to be the best bet, if we could just figure out what that is.
Hubby & I came sooo close to voting absentee ourselves. Now we’re glad we didn’t. I really want to confront the system as it is, for better or worse, thus be free to complain vehemently in person, if it’s not working.
Silly me. I’m a wreck right now. Been at this stuff, at this level, since 1999 (thanks to Molly Ivins’ warnings way back then).
An aside to drive others as nuts as I am: did anyone see C-Span discussion today tw’ Scott Ritter & Sy Hersh? If you have a chance, you ought to see it. But keep the antacids handy… Chilling….
Gee – thanks a lot! I haven’t been this depressed in a long time as I have been reading this thread this evening. I have been working on a local campaign, giving money to all of the people that Howie has had on FDL, plus all of the Dems here in MN. I guess we should all now fold our tents and fade away into the desert.
Hope everyone feels better tomorrow – or why the hell should any of us bother any more?!
Okay – after this I’ll stop digging because I can’t stomach what I’m uncovering.
From a piece by Ariana in July based on a Clinton interview (now I know that she hates all things Clinton, but still):
“Putting his personal issues above the good of his Party, Bill Clinton will appear at a rally in Waterbury, Connecticut later today to offer his support for embattled Sen. Joe Lieberman.
The Lieberman camp is hoping the popular former president’s endorsement will provide its sagging candidate with a shot in the arm — and a zippy soundbyte or two it can highlight in its stretch-run TV commercials.
Through sources in the former president’s neighborhood-busting Harlem office, HuffPost has obtained an exclusive preview of some of what Clinton will say about why he is backing Lieberman over Lamont:
“Like Joe Lieberman, I too have loyalties that are greater than those to my party. Starting with Hillary. I still owe her big time.”
“You may not know this, but when Joe Lieberman and I joined the DLC, we swore a blood oath to always support the least progressive candidate in a race. Breaking that would be like Phil Leotardo crossing family lines by jamming that pole up Vito Spatafore’s butt. Man, I can’t believe we’re gonna have to wait until March to see the final eight episodes because Gandolfini fell off his scooter!”
“Joe Lieberman was wrong on the bankruptcy bill, wrong on not filibustering Alito, and wrong on Terri Schiavo. But his position on the war is pretty similar to Hillary’s and that’s good enough for me.”
(snip)
“If Joe Lieberman’s daughter Rebecca can postpone her wedding to help her dad, the least I can do is take a train ride to Connecticut.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..25706.html
Hmm, sorry for the multiple posting… moderators, cleanup in comment 168?
somehow I erased one of my comments and commented on a later comment (174) in my earlier comment (170).
very weird.
I have a lot of respect for Wes Clark, too, but he can’t *sing* to Dems the way Bubba can! Clark is far too dignified to provide the requisite Slap Down (thx, dab from CT) that me-first Joe sooooooo badly needs! (Shays’s comments about Ted Kennedy made me want to throw up and, until then, I had thot he was a *relatively* fair-minded Repug…)
dab from CT,
From a piece by Ariana in July based on a Clinton interview (now I know that she hates all things Clinton, but still):
I’d be real interested in hearing Ariana’s current take on Lieberman blasting Clinton on the Senate floor in 1998, or not.
Dab, you’ve got incoming!
Have you seen “Cats that Look Like Hitler”?
http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/
new thread
KathyinMN at 174
Please keep up what you’re doing. We all get horribly discouraged sometimes, but that’s nothing compared to the feeling one gets from knowing we could have made a difference but didn’t, because we didn’t try.
I’m not trying to be judgemental. It’s just the method I use on myself. No matter what the outcome, I feel far better knowing I tried.
Stubbornness is a noble trait ;->
Post #68
I thought it was Hillary Clinton that promised to campaign for Lamont, but never happened did it?
NY Times: Senator Clinton Offers to Raise Money for Lamont Campaign
August 26, 2006, Saturday
By JENNIFER MEDINA; ANGELA MACROPOULOS DISPLAYING ABSTRACT – In a private meeting at her Chappaqua, N.Y., home on Friday, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton offered to help Ned Lamont in his battle to unseat Senator Joseph I. Lieberman by sponsoring a fund-raiser, campaigning by his side and lending him one of her top political strategists. That strategist, Howard …
Republicans have developed a new mental disease: Pelosiphobia.
Cozumel @ 85
Propaganda?? Interesting choice of words.
Well, I guess I’m not the only person who understood the definition of support to include campaigning. Don’t really think that’s too much of a stretch. Nor do I consider expressing my disappointment at Bill assiduously avoiding Connecticut, propaganda.
Personally, I don’t consider support to include going on Larry King Live and saying CT wins whether Lamont or Lieberman wins because their both Dems.
ThatSinger @
45
Umm, in addition to the odor of alcohol, there should be, if Hitchens, a strong after-odor of metabolized alcohol (formaldehyde-like) since he doesn’t just drink it–it’s part of his respiration cycle–and an overwhelming reek of flop-sweat. Got those (and some tenditiously circular prose) and you’ve got Hitchens.
Rothenberg’s team calling Shays the fave in his House race? Well, thanks Joe. And thanks to Rahm for sticking one million dollars of DCCC money into the NYC advertising sinkhole for CT-3 over the weekend.
dab from CT @ 185
This was the comment at question…
Clinton promised to campaign for the winner of the CT primary
It’s factually incorrect, period.
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.” – Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
http://www.tompeters.com/print…..ain/006764
Well….one thing about all this. We now know who is with us and who ain’t.
And the Clintons ain’t.
So enough with the ‘Big Dog’ bullshit. The Bush family snuck him off the vet when he was hangin’ wit Poppy and had him gelded.
So now that all the DLC members of the ‘Democrat’ Party have thoughtfully painted a target on themselves let us…
Take aim and fire.
Well Coz,
Thanks for calling me a liar. To me and many others, support is synonymous with campaigning in the political world.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co…..-headlines
and in fact Hillary, if not Bill, promised to campaign for Lamont – but has not.
I am truly offended by what I feel is a personal attack on me for an issue of semantics. I don’t play fast and loose with the facts. We’re talking about what the definitition of ehsy is is.
The fact of the matter is – the only “support” Bill has given Lamont is to say on national TV that a Lieberman win would be as good as a Lamont win.
dab from CT @ 191
I’m sorry you see it that way and I don’t think I called you a liar. I may or may not be willing to jump all over Bill Clinton with you if it’s fact based. FDL is known for it’s credibility as are the commenters. I like that and would hate to lose it. If we do, there goes the neighborhood and it’s just another blog.
Peace
Hi Adie I’m back with a few more links.
With the solarbus link, make sure you go through to the peace and justice tab and then scroll down to Election Justice Center.
Also try these:
Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections
http://www.caseohio.org
and http://www.votetrustusa.org
on this site I’d click States. They list organizations on the left but I checked them out and the only one that looks promising is the Citizens Alliance, above. But if you click on Ohio on the right hand list it catches you up on all the latest – well, I don’t know how latest – but news.
Also blackboxvoting.org has lots of stuff, including a citizen toolkit that might be useful.
And there’s voteraction.org the “watch the vote” page looked good.
Hope this helps Adie. You guys are up against it with Blackwell running the election. His days are numbered though. Election tampering is a FELONY and he is going to JAIL.
Ed*ard Teller @
124
Don’t know how handsome you are, Edward, but I just kicked in $200.00 for Benson on egregious’s ActBlue page. Hope Benson can kick some ass and take some names up there in AK.
You all might want to look at Karen Carter, down in LA-2. She’s a terrific candidate running against William (Freezer) Jefferson.
She does have an ActBlue page; take a look at her and kick in a few bucks.
Peace – Coz
Yo, Bill; Hey there Hillary … Scaife is pimping for Joementum. Get it.
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=2514280
Never Forget: George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq…. and, if you doubt it, just check ‘the google’ …
dab from CT @ 194
Nite, Dab ; )
phoebes @ 8:38 pm (#194)
Well, I just get that average donation down and then you go and raise it again ;-) Thanks, phoebes.
Did Jefferson switch parties? Oh, wait – Louisiana. It’s like the old NHL – teams from the same division can play for the championship. Karen Carter looks like an impressive candidate. Her position on national security is mostly about protecting New Orleans from new flooding, but it’s a sound one. I can’t find an ActBlue page that lists her, but she is in the list of candidates. If anyone wants to look her up, here’s the URL:
http://www.karencarterforcongress.com/index.html
and here’s the ActBlue page:
http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12445
Is anyone still reading this thread? ; ) It just occurred to me where “there goes the neighborhood” came from. Jebuss, an automatic description from years past I guess to describe something different today. I’m glad I caught it anyway. Oy
Re: “Harry Reid promising Lieberman seniority”
Harry Reid needs to grow a brain! Lieberman SWITCHED parties. Why are democrats promising this traitor Joe Lieberman, Independent, anything?
carolyn urban at 8:37
Thanks so much for the wealth of links. Golden!
I’ll fire all these off to state level Dem. campaign-meisters & candidates, run a copy over to our feisty Medina County Dem. crew, share with some other activist types I know, & try to fire off a letter to the editor or several before the election.
YES, I too believe Blackwell’s going to JAIL! HAH! . . . e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y. . .
In the meantime, we’ve got an election to [try to] save. “there is no try. there is only do” pops into the noggin from grade B moviedom?/StarWars?
Wish us all luck here in OH. I don’t scare easily, but after 2000 & everything since, I’m shaking, mostly with pure raw ANGER!
(main picture in my head has always been of DeLay’s henchmen storming the Miami-Dade Board of Elections, and GETTING AWAY WITH IT! Never will understand why those scum didn’t go to jail!)
!THESE.THUGS.WILL.NOT.STEAL.MY.DEMOCRACY!
I can’t stand the DC Dems and as a former Connecticut resident, I strongly support Ned Lamont. But I am appalled that on this site too, the Matt Stoller quote about only Kerry and Clark helping Lamont is being repeated. Matt may be rooting for Clark, but he has no business not mentioning that John Edwards did not hesitate but went right to Connecticut to rally with Ned. He raised money and brought to the foreground the issue most dear to his heart, poverty and fighting for the middle class. Don’t you see what they are doing? The insiders don’t want an economic populist to win. Be that Lamont or Edwards. The Democratic party is dead if we are not for the working man and women which we all are except for those of us with trust funds.
With Ned down only 8% in the latest polls, all it would take is Obama and other bigs coming into close it to perhaps several %. Then ballot efficiency would do it for Ned. When 2008 rolls around, we are not going to forget this betrayal.
If Lieberman is running as an Independant then the Democrats owe him nothing, bubkis, nada. He joins the other Independants on their lonely seats shouting into the wind. If the Democrats give him a Chairmanship after this race then they deserve the condemnation that is sure to follow. He jumped ship, let him sink on his own.
Adie @
137
Why would there be a requirement for extra postage in some areas of OH? Are the ballots larger? Consisting of more pages? Using bigger envelopes? What?
Because where you are doesn’t determine if you need to pay extra postage. It’s the size and weight of the envelope.
As it is, and I did NOT tell you this: if you really want to reduce the chances that the ballots won’t get there, make sure that all of the mailing envelopes for ballots have the return address the same as the mailing address. This will make sure the envelope gets to the election office, even if someone forgets to put enough postage on it.
This return address = mailing address is a trick that big corp’s like Citibank use, to make sure you don’t do the “got the payment back because I didn’t put enough postage on my envelope” delaying tactic that some customers use. They’ve been doing this for years. If they can… YOU can. Don’t make a habit of this for yourself, though, to defraud the postal service.
I’d also check with your local statutes to see if absentee ballots must be mailed with the sender’s return address listed on the envelope. Some states can be weird about things like this.
LJ/Aquaria @
205
I haven’t seen any of the actual ballots. I just read about the problem in the local newspaper. Supposedly thousands of ballots might be involved, though, and in a reasonably Democratic-leaning area. So it could significantly influence the election if things aren’t straightened out.
Thanks for your response, & the info. ;->
Lieberman should get diddley squat