
A hundred years from now (okay, maybe ten) when people sit around open-mouthed and marvel at the Pravda-esque state of early 21st Century American journalism and the outrageous deceptions perpetuated by those who smugly considered themselves to be titans of the craft, they are going to look at the work of Keith Olbermann and say "WTF? Why wasn't everybody listening to that guy?"
Olbermann has made a career out of practicing common sense, of pricking the engorged bubbles of hubris that pass for conventional wisdom these days. Recently his ratings have soared, and he has become a YouTube icon with broadcast segments like this, this and this. His new book The Worst Person in the World: And 202 Strong Contenders is a chronicle of the series he began as a catalog of bemusment more than outrage at the antics of the lunatics among us.
Olbermann obviously has a taste for the bizarre, the obscure and the ironic, as evidenced by his "Oddball" series. His "Worst Person in the World" segment (inspired by works of George Carlin and Bob & Ray), which began in July of 2005, started off as a tribute to boldly irrational episodes like this:
A man named Dave Newman saw a stranger drowning in the swirling Sann Marcos River. Newman went in and saved him. As he got out of the river, Newman was handcuffed by a Texas State University cop, who said Newman had ignored repeated warnings to get out of the river.
Many of us recognized in these moments the same quality of thinking that brought us the Iraq war, and certainly its management thereafter. And as time went on and the segments seemed to get more overtly in-the-face of members of the right wing noise machine, perhaps for no other reason than that they provided so damn much easy fodder. While good soldiers like Matt Lauer , Howard Kurtz and Brian Williams are embarrassing themselves to their eternal shame by their membership in the Kneepads for Limbaugh brigade, Olbermann with dignity can point to moments like this (as he discussess his August 17, 2005 "WPITW" broadcast):
On his daily radio soap opera, on August 15, Limbaugh said, "Cindy Sheehan is just Bull Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged documents, there's nothing about it that's real…" The complete transcript that surrounds those quotes can be found at the bottom of this entry.
Yet, apparently there was something so unpopular, so subversive and so crazy about those remarks that he has found it necessary to deny he said them — even when there are recordings and transcripts of them — and to brand those who've claimed he said them as crackpots and distorters. More over, that amazing temple to himself, his Web site, has been scrubbed clean of all evidence of these particular remarks, and to "prove" his claim that he never made the remarks in questinon on August 15, he has misdirected visitors to that site to transcripts and recordings of remarks he made on August 12.
As Digby notes, the right wing has made "spin" into a world view and its acolytes have abandoned any belief in objective realilty or facts. We can only hope the wind shifts and Matt Lauer gets clued into the fact that "Pills" Limbaugh is a big, fat, ugly naked pig, but Olbermann seems to have been alone among journalists of national stature who were willing to call attention to this fact.
He's also willing to call out the objectionable beast that is Ann Coulter:
In a recent column, she writes of terrorists, "It is far preferable to fight them in the sreets of Baghdad than in the streets of New York, where the residents would immediately surrender." Ms. Coulter evidently did not know that most of 9/11 occurred in New York, New York, the city in which it's rather obvious that the residents never surrendered. This is from somebody who ran away in terror from a pie. Does this woman even live in this country?
And, of course no discussion of Olbermann's "WPITW" series would be complete without reference to his ongoing battle with Bill O'Reilly, who simply does not have the God given sense to walk away:
The guilty pleasure offered by the existence of Bill O'Reilly is simple but understandable: 99 times out of 100, when we belly up to the Bill-O bar of bluster, we partake of the movable falafel feast — he serves us nothing but comedy, farce, slapstick, unconscious self-mutilation. The Sideshow Bob of commentators forever stepping on the same rake, forever muttering the same grunted, inarticulate surrender, forever resuming the cycle that will take him back to the same rake. The Sisyphus of morons, if you will.
Okay that was a bit cruel of Keith to indulge in a metaphor that Bill will never, ever understand (that is unless George Bush explains it to him) but I digress. The occasion was the "100th time out of 100," when it wasn't funny at all:
"In Malmedy, as you know," Bill O'Reilly said on the air Tuesday night in some indecipherable attempt to defend the events of Haditha, "U.s. forces captured SS forces who had their hands in the air and were unarmed and they shot them dead. You know that. That's on the record. And it's documented." The victims in Malmedy in December 1944 were Americans, Americans with their hands in the air, Americans who were unarmed. That's on the record and documented, and their memory deserves better than Bill O'Reilly.
We all do.
It's comforting to think that since Olbermann called out Donald Rumsfeld for his breathtaking incompetence his ratings jumped 69% in 6 weeks. That this might portend that the era of fashionably mind-numbing stupidity could be coming to an end, and the taste for ignorant, loudmouthed fatheads might be slaking. If so Olbermann has proven himself a worthy antidote, both articulate and entertaining as well as steadfast in his insight even when such honesty did not serve the interests of commerce.
Keith Olbermann is a treasure. And we're really excited that next week he's going to be with us on the book salon to discuss his work, so please join us — as always, same bat time, same bat channel.



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Mr. Olbermann, welcome and the most heartfelt “thank you” in the world. You delight us, and give us hope. And I loved your book too!
FDL!
I’m surely not first, but Olbermann is!!
The show is so fun, but the book is even better. If you have not read it, you should. Plus, supporting Olbermann is worth every penny — if for no other reason than keeping his book ahead of Falafel Boy’s in the ratings has to be worth something for more reasons than I can remotely detail here. *g*
Christy, down here deep in red state land I had to find KO’s book piled on the floor under a table at Barnes & Noble, while certain other “authors” were prominently displayed… GRRR. Maybe I’ll have to stop giving them my custom.
I’m looking forward to seeing what Keith has to say about the book. I think WPITW fills a need in that it shines a spotlight on the amazing stupidity, thoughtlessness and lack of principle in everyone from politicians to everyday people. And it makes us laugh at the truly absurd examples of that phenomenon.
Keith isn’t here this week, he’ll be here next week.
It should be a crazy pre-election day.
I’m curious about management pressure. Are the numbers good enough to keep the gatekeepers legs open (an apt/mixed metaphor)?
I really wish Dolores Brewer would make Olbermann’s Worst Person list. Just watch this ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsy0E0RRTPA
She compares her Democratic opponent in the runoff for Mayor of Alexandria, Louisiana, to a rapist. Just watch the ad. WORST PERSON OF THE YEAR.
rizbiz @ 8
There isn’t any pressure, in fact it’s the opposite. They want more Special Comments according to an interview I read.
rizbiz @ 8
I sure hope so. It seems to me that Keith’s ratings have been slowly and steadily growing and I just hope it’s a sign that the worm is turning in this country.
By the way, Lamont’s campaign has a really nice specialized version of the “Had Enough” song up on their website.
I hope this means they’re running it on the radio in CT!
http://nedlamont.com/blog/2033…..econd-time
rizbiz @ 8
As I understand it his ratings went through the roof as soon as he started his “Special Comments,” so I’m hopeful that he’ll continue to go from strength to strength.
Keith!! I’ve got one copy of his book for me, and one for a good friend.
Can we please have a volunteer to give $25 to anyone on BlueAmerica so I can congratulate one and all on reaching $500,000? Am in danger of being late to dinner with egrDaughter. Can’t do this myself, not on a secure site.
Oh what the heck. Congratulations!
——————egregious in the DR
I’ve been reading the book on the subway. I’ve gotten over my embarrassment from laughing out loud.
Jane Hamsher @ 7
The Sunday before election Day – Guy Faulkes Day – and my b-day. Lookin’ forward to it – all of it.
Marion at 5 — you know, a few months ago, when I walked into the local B&N, they had the Coulter and O’Reilly books prominantly displayed up front. Now, they are the ones piled in little corner areas, and Olbermann and John Dean get top shelving.
Times, they are a changin’. But every single time I went in the B&N for the last few months, I have made it a point to go up to a manager and ask if they had this book or that book by progressives or journalists who were doing great work (Ricks and Olbermann at the top of the list)…and they would talk to me a bit about the book and the reviews it was getting AND the newsworthiness of the topics. And it has made a difference.
Try chatting up the managers and the folks in the store that you see doing shelving. Sometimes they can’t change things, because placement is sometimes PURCHASED at the big chain stores by certain authors and publishing houses. (Yes, you read me correctly.) But sometimes it can make a big difference — and it is certainly worth a shot. :)
Now it’s $500,000!!!!!!!
rizbiz @
8
Money talks…. if we support KO & Countdown advertizers plus keep his ratings sky high…. that is the reason why ClearChannel is flipping radio stations to progressive formats and starting their own network….
If you build it …. they will come….
Cozumel @ 10
Despite that, I think Keith is being wise in trying to limit his Special Comments to when he really feels the need to make one. The temptation now is that now that the Comments have proven to be successful in drawing attention to the show, Keith will feel he has to do them regularly. But if he does, the power and the effect will be diluted.
5,834 $500,000.00
Ding, ding, ding!
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica
watertiger @ 15
watertiger, if you’re on the NYC subway laughing out loud is the LEAST unnerving thing to be embarrassed by! (Lived there for 40 years, and have seen it ALL on the subway!)
Next Sunday is likely to be insane. I hope that Keith is well-prepped. Or types at 120wpm.
Seeing all the WPITWs in order, you get a sense of how the segment has evolved — like Countdown. Yes, there are still the dumb criminals and the idiot bureaucrats, but it also opens the door on the perennially venal: not just Bill-Oh, but particularly the talk-show ranters and syndicated columnists for whom ignorance and cruelty is the order of the day, unchecked by major media scrutiny.
It’s a disarming segment, because it’s done so lightly (for the most part), but the ironic excess of being today’s Worst Person In The World actually says two things. These people deal in excess and insult and thoughtlessness, while treating their subjects with the respect accorded to a burger wrapper.
It’s a joke about people who should be the subject of jokes, not treated as secular clerics speaking ex cathedra. And they should be judged by the company they keep in WPITW.
I have a question for Jane: will next week’s discussion with Keith work just like this? We post messages and he posts replies?
Christy @ 17,
Thanks for the tip. I’ll make a point of doing that in the future for ALL the books I don’t see displayed. Great idea…
egregious @ 17
Congratulations to FDL, DWT and C&L – and all of us that gave!
Cozumel @
21
Ding ding ding!!! WOO HOO!!!
Was that you, Cozumel?
About where books are displayed: I’ve noticed that there’s a Borders Express that hasn’t even bought a single copy of WPITW, yet it has Bill O’Reilly’s book way up at the front of the store. It put Ann Coulter’s book in the same place of honor.
I find myself wondering if this particular store is managed by a right-winger.
Tru @ 20,
Good point. I think he’s savvy enough to know that TWPITW daily will keep people coming back now that he’s been found, and he does seem to be saving the Special Comments for things that cry out to be pilloried. My guess is he’s too wise to dilute the power of his comments.
Jane Hamsher @ 27
Not me this time, Jane ; )
pseudonymous in nc @
23
“Perennial venal.” I think that adequately describes the CW of the past years.
Wow, Keith will be a guest here!!
I hope I can be home for that.
Marion, I also noticed that at one point he was doing Special Comments, or at least one, in the middle of the show rather than saving them for the end. I thought that was a bad idea because the impact of what he has said gets diluted by having other things follow it at the end of the show. Special Comments are best when they end the show and leave you thinking about what he has said. (And leave Joe Scarborough looking dumbfounded as to how to follow them.)
Keith Olbermann and FDL both speak truth to power, and make people laugh at the same time. Just one reason why I love both of ‘em so much.
Now, if we can get Keith to broadcast featured net videos and blog highlights, we could bring a little viewer and community involvement into the mainstream media. Well, ok.. one cable news show. But I think you get my point.
Including the blogosphere (at least in a basic manner) in TV news isn’t a matter of technology, it’s one of will.
Who will be first?
Tru @ 33
I agree absolutely, unequivocally and 1000%. To end the show with a SC is the way to go. (And leaving Joe with his face hanging out and not much to say is a lovely bonus…)
Billmon recently wrote a long (and thoughtful) post (entitled “The Enemies of Truth“) on the kind of truthiness Olbermann is fighting:
Olbermann’s ratings are going up, but nobody (especially, I imagine, his surely nervous producers) knew that would happen when he started. His courage should not be underrated.
TheGris @ 34
Good question.
On lots of television shows, including C-SPAN, there is a portion of the show where the anchor reads through the paper and mentions the various noteworthy stories.
I think that Keith (or another wise television host) should start doing a similar nightly roundup of what the progressive blogs are talking about.
He could highlight a few of the biggest stories of the day and talk about them briefly.
This would be a great way of achieving more synergy between the netroots and traditional media.
It could really be the start of breaking down the barriers between the netroots and people who haven’t yet discovered the progressive blogosphere.
Maybe we should mention this to Keith when he comes here next week! The other thing that I think he will like is that the blogs are bursting with great, interesting, political stories. What a phenomenal resource for an innovative host like Olberman!
I mentioned in Christy’s wonderful GOTV this morning that I helped push an avowed conservative into voting Dem this time around. At WalMart.
What I forgot to mention is that prominently displayed next to Coulter,Pat Buchanon’s and O’Reilly’s books,were also Al Franken’s latest,Jon Stewart’s America the Book,Suskind’s One Percent Doctrine,Rick’s Fiasco,and Jimmy Carter’s Our Endangered Values. This is RED,red state WalMart territory,and in the past,liberal authors or books critical of this cabal simply weren’t on the shelves in this store. Oh,and Bushie’s little ghost written book? Stacked in a pile,under the magazines,marked down to 4 bucks. Heh.
Juan Cole suggests this is a good read. I agree.
“This is Baghdad. What could be worse?”
By Anthony Shadid
Sunday, October 29, 2006
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01487.html
I have emailed MSNBC several times to thank them for Olbermann’s outstanding show. Recently I said this: that I have completely given up on television. I watch none (other than the occasional Senate hearing or articulate leftwing blogger on CSPAN). However now I watch Olbermann’s Countdown as much as I can, and WILD HORSES could not keep me from watching when he delivers his special comments.
You nailed it, Jane. Keith Olbermann is a treasure, and his comments are incredibly truthful, and because of that, powerful.
xyz @ 37:
I think you’re on to something when you say “I think that Keith (or another wise television host) should start doing a similar nightly roundup of what the progressive blogs are talking about.”
But what about just “what the blogs are talking about,” which might give him the opportunity to skewer some of the “better” wingnut blogs… Michelle MalKKKin comes to mind….
Here’s something I noticed about the SCs: I have a copy of a DVD collection of Edward R. Murrow’s work, including the episodes of “See It Now” that he did exposing and criticizing Joe McCarthy. And here’s what’s interesting: Murrow did only two or three shows on McCarthy, or only two or three that were “really” his in the sense that he and his people put them together. (One of them was a response from McCarthy in which they had agreed to allow McCarthy to control the content.) And for that, and for what he said on those episodes, we remember him now as a great journalist speaking out against those who would use fear to silence us and baseless accusations to ruin people.
Keith has already made more Special Comments, with more memorable moments, than Murrow ever did on that show. So those who compare him to Edward R. Murrow may not realize it, but when it comes to brave and memorable television speeches, he’s already passed Murrow.
Professor Foland @
36
Absolutely. He said “enough” when he refused to be a part of the Monica Lewinsky parade. He’s put integrity above his own commercial interest all along, and that’s why it’s great to see him succeed now for just being who he’s always been. This isn’t some bit of Joe Klein bandwagon jumping.
Tru, I agree. I just watched “Good Night and Good Luck” last night and was struck by the similarities between what Olbermann is doing and what Murrow did. I know I’m the last to see that film and come to that conclusion, but there it is.
I too would like to see Keith examine what is being said in blogs from across the political spectrum, not limiting himself to the progressive ones. Let him examine a wide variety of what’s out there, selecting out what he finds worthy of praise and worthy of ridicule. I’m sure he’ll find plenty of both.
I have been watching Keith’s show for over a year now. He was doing real good on covering real news, but after his trip to LA a couple of months ago he came back like a man with a mission. I sat there with my jaw hanging down when he gave his first “special comment”. What a wonderful sight to see and hear! I hope he keeps good IRS records…..
Send the station a little love for Keith. Let them know this is their jewel in their crown!
Tru @ 42:
Wow. Just plain WOW… But when you sit down and think about it with both hands I think this batch is a LOT scarier than Tailgunner Joe ever was…
Olbermann’s team is already picking up stories from blogs. I don’t think the show needs to credit them, except in situations where it helps to have the blogger/story-breaker to discuss them.
Because running those stories in a non-weighted manner means they’re no longer ’stories about what blogs say’, along the lines of CNN’s inane bits with Abby and Jackie pointing at screencaps. They’re news stories, pure and simple. Blogs have arrived when networks and cablenews no longer treat a story developed online as if it’s of equal value to a silly YouTube video in Oddball, but akin to a story in the NYT or Washington Post. That’s not blog triumphalism: it’s just a recognition of a rapidly-maturing medium.
Quick ETA: Alternatively, you present talk-radio and the world of syndicated wingnuttery as something that’s worthy of no more (and often less) credibility than one developed online. And WPITW has, like Media Matters, done a pretty good job of nailing the worst wingnuts with their own words — fr’instance, that exchange with Radical Cleric Dobson the week before last.
MSNBC is advertising that it will cover all politics from tomorrow until Election Day. Supposedly Keith will be doing some anchoring of their daytime coverage. I look forward to that. I also hope that Keith will address the issue of election fraud, because I think this election is going to need to be very carefully watched.
My power went out this afternoon…which gave me the excuse to grab Keith’s book and indulge in his “worst” stories. Somehow reading them all in a lump rather than just a segment a day, starts to point things out to you. It occured to me that the people who go through life believing that merely holding onto 2 morals (yes I’m talking anti abortion and gay marriage) are enough to answer all life’s challenges just don’t get how big life is.
I was so taken by Letterman’s response to O’Reilly’s stupid question to him about the Iraq war, when he replied that “It’s not easy for me because I am thoughtful.”
Keith’s insights seem such great reminders that we all have a responsibility to use our God given hearts and minds.
I hope that until the fabled sanity returns to more “jouranlists”, KO will stay away from small airplanes and such.
Seriously.
Man I love that guy.
Justin Fallon
“Urban Pirate”
And I will say this about Kieth Olbermann as well: He was the ONLY one on network TV to pay any attention to the stolen election and the bizarre voting irregularities in Ohio, in 2004. Keith reported for months on news that was trickling out of Ohio. From everyone else? An embarrassed silence. That was when my despair turned to RAGE, and when I stopped watching any network television or reading any newspapers.
But I have always respected Keith Olbermann for that, and that respect has grown exponentially in recent months.
Integrity? Courage? Hell yeah.
xyz@37,
Yep. He could also cite, quote, and play visuals from bloggers relating to the main stories that he’s commenting on. Even top quotes from the blogosphere would be interesting, especially with the graphics and editing tools that Keith’s people have. I’d much rather see what Glenn Greenwald has to say on an issue than listen to Lawrence O’Donnell or some of the other people who just happen to work for someone in the corporate umbrella of NBC.
Also, as Marion in Savannah pointed out, Keith could also
Anything toward replacing “balance” with “objectivity” would be a plus, as long as we don’t go to he said/she said land on everything.
Tru @ 49
They did this last Tuesday all day (I think). Olbermann just had his regular time slot. The Promo’s are misleading as far as that goes.
I watched Keith every night during the Monica idiocy. He was the only voice of sanity. We’re in many ways building on his previous work, in a new medium.
pseudonymous in nc @ 48
Oh, I know Keith has already mentioned and quoted blogs and (obviously!) had bloggers on the show. I suppose you could say that simply integrating their work into the show as news sources lends them more legitimacy than singling them out and saying “Here’s what they’re saying on the blogs.”
I do believe that bloggers are no more legitimate than any other news source out there–and sometimes less. It depends on the blogger.
pseudonymous in nc @ 48
Agreed – he is definitely mining the blogs successfully. I just think that what Keith Olberman could perhaps do more of is point the public to specific stories in specific blogs in order to get viewers to start looking more at the blogs themselves. Keith would serve as the point of introduction for a lot of people.
I am not so worried about people writing off a story because a blog is credited with breaking the story. In fact, the more that keith and others talk about blogs breaking stories, then the more people will start to pay attention to blogs. So a virtuous cycle could be created where Keith ratchets up progressive blogosphere by introducing it to a larger audience and building its credibility by giving it credit for the stories that it breaks or covers successfully.
For those who’ve never read it, Olbermann’s Cornell Senior Convocation Speech from 1998 is well worth the time.
For those who have already enjoyed it, it might be worth reading again before next Sunday.
Murrow and Olbermann are obviously two different people from different times. But they share traits. Chief among these, I would hazard, would be intelligence, dedication to veracity, and courage.
Murrow helped bring an end to McCarthyism. Olbermann is helping to bring an end to Roveism.
carolyn urban @ 52
Completely agreed! It was Keith’s willingness to stay on this story that really moved me to become a regular viewer and fan. That was indeed brave!
I think Keith just needs to keep on keepin’ on and anyone who thinks differently needs to get their own show, or try to. That’s what I think! LOL ; )
Cozumel @ 54
I know that was the case last week, but the press release they issued about this coverage actually included Keith’s name in the mention of people who would appear on daytime coverage. I had a feeling that last week they were just talking about how Keith would appear on his own show as usual, and capitalizing a bit on his popularity. This time, I’m not so sure they won’t actually put him on during the day.
I LOVE Keith’s Cornell convocation speech, too. It provides so much insight into what lies behind his approach to journalism. There’s a sense of morality and values behind everything he does. He’s not just trying to get attention, or a laugh, or be a blowhard spewing his spleen all over the television. It’s one of the things I admire about him.
Tru @
28
When I go into bookstores that have made that mistake, I like to help them out by turning the covers over so that people don’t have to look at the scary faces of Ann coulter or O’Lielly. Or I like to take book like Keith’s or Al Franken’s and put it on top of the scary book. ;-)
carolyn urban @ 52
Matt Taibbi wrote back in 2004 that if political journalism were done by sports reporters, Bush and company wouldn’t last a week. He’s right. Perhaps that says more about the tolerance of their respective audiences, but it also explains something about Olbermann’s approach.
UptownNYChick @ 64
LOL! Sometimes I have been tempted to do that!
OT/ but I think KO would appreciate this story. Americablog has found even more ties between RNC and porn.
I love Rethuglican hypocrisy.
UptownNYChick @ 67
Uptown, what do you think of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsy0E0RRTPA
Republicans in Louisiana will even use rape to tar and smear their Democratic opponents.
Apparently Mike Bloomberg is going to be making a campaign appearance with Joe Lieberman in Stamford at the train station at 7:45 tomorrow morning. This is being reported at My Left Nutmeg.
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/sh…..aryId=4215
The great thing is that BranfordBoy at MLN has put together a wonderful flier that can be printed out and distributed at the train station. It discusses the fact that Bloomberg has been a huge proponent of the commuter tax on Connecticut residents who work in NYC. Here’s a link to the flier.
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/im…..dflyer.pdf
If anyone can be at the train station in Stamford tomorrow morning, I encourage you to print out a ton of these fliers and hand them out!
Keith Olbermann make most of the rest of this current crop of ‘journalists’ look like Shining Time Station U. was their alma mater, with Schemer as their Media Studies prof.
…May your Nielsons be a 70 share, KO.
RBG @ 58
RBG, thanks for the link. It is a simply wonderful speech, and just exactly what newly-minted university graduates needed to hear. And I can hear his voice and intonation in every word.
One thing that never fails to make me feel like banging heads against the wall is when Keith-haters imply that what he has to say is worthless because “his ratings are so low and prove that nobody cares what he has to say.”
Oh well. They can’t criticize what he’s saying, so they criticize his ratings!
When I think Olbermann, I think ‘freedom of thought’. Same with Murrow.
I get the sense that the FDL crowd may not be “sportsy” but it’s worth it to tune in to him on the Dan Patrick show on ESPN Radio
http://espnradio.espn.go.com/e…..danpatrick
raven @ 74
I love listening to him on that show. You get a chance to hear another side of him and his sense of humor as well.
I think that is what has been so great for me because I love sports and politics and Keith just made that a bit more OK! Not to mention the fact that I agree with him on almost everything.
raven @ 76
Who says you can’t love politics and sports, too?
That convocation speech is really something. Especially the reference to Dennis Potter’s final interview with Melvyn Bragg — which, if you haven’t ever seen, you should try to obtain by whatever means you have. He doesn’t mention that Potter called the cancerous tumour that would soon take his life… ‘Rupert’.
I’m going to have to work on coming up with some good questions for Keith next week. Most likely things directly related to the election and what he thinks will happen.
Hey, fellow Olbermann fans and pupsters!
Don’t you think there’s something hilarious about the choice of Bach’s Toccata & Fugue in D Minor as the background music for the Worst Person in the World segment?
Always makes me laugh.
On the one hand, the piece as written is truly majestic and powerful — a nice counterpoint to the idiots on parade.
On the other hand, in pop culture the piece is frequently identified with campy horror/monster movies and the like. Vincent Price and suchlike.
A perfect backdrop, indeed for the idiots and (cultural/political) monsters on parade in the segment.
I wonder if the recording on the show is by Virgil Fox — anybody enough of an organ music afficianado to know? I fondly remember a most wonderful all-Bach Virgil Fox concert at the Academy of Music in Philly decades ago, visually enhanced with a splendiferous light show attuned to the awe-inspiring music.
It’s been said that listening live to Virgil Fox play Bach’s Toccata & Fugue in D Minor while stoned is a spiritual experience indeed. I have nothing to say which would contradict that notion. ;-)
Keith is an outstanding journalist. I’m really looking forward to him being here.
Awesome.
Olbermann’s a hero. I remember when he was a quirky sports anchor in Los Angeles.
I used to be a sports nut. I still love baseball. I just don’t like what sports has evolved into. I’m old fashioned I suppose. I still cling to the idea that it’s how you play the game that’s important. I would imagine Olbermann might be in sympathy with this.
Another nice interview in which Keith talks about what’s behind his work is the one he did on C-SPAN with Brian Lamb for the “Q&A” show: http://www.q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1067
YES!!!
Wes clark ad or Ned just aired on NYC’s CBS 2 during the Jets’ game. They hit both NYC teams today. Hope they got the Pats too.
Mrs. K8 @
81
I remember my first exposure to Tocatta was when I saw the original ‘Rollerball’ with James Caan and John Houseman. I think I was 16.
I loved the music so much I bought the soundtrack LP and listened to it over and over.
Now my 15 year old daughter is playing it on the piano. I still get chills.
BTW the original Rollerball was far superior to the craptacular remake, IMO.
UptownNYChick @ 85
EXCELLENT! That was one great ad…
Mrs. K8 @ 80
Yes. It’s the perfect piece of “ominous-sounding” music for that segment.
Mrs. K8 @ 80
It’s part of the ironic excess that mimics and puts down its targets. Of course, these days plenty of people believe that Bach didn’t write it, which makes it especially appropriate for the carnival of the frauds.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
You said it, Kiddo! Baseball in particular has broken my heart for what it’s turned into. Probably most of us can conjure the sound of summer afternoon radio sports announcers calling the plays for the home team broadcasts when we were young.
There was always something particularly lyrical in baseball announcer lingo — I think having a slower game like that gave the announcers time to tell stories, to invent new phrases and sayings, to pass down the lore of old-timers. Lately the teevee announcers (the younger ones) seem to want to jazz it up, make it more “hip” in some goofy, electrified way. Each time one of the old announcers dies, it takes a little out of me. (Richie Ashburn’s death was a blow in our home-town, for instance.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
He really is. In fact, even though baseball is obviously the sport Keith loves above all others and has since he was a child, and he obviously continues to follow it faithfully, there is no sport that seems to come in for more criticism and condemnation from him in terms of what it has become. Especially when it comes to things like the steroid scandal, the lack of any attempt at addressing the use of Human Growth Hormone and the fact that the sport no longer cares about cultivating new fans amongst the kids.
pseudonymous in nc @ 89
Well, I doubt it… Just because people today put in fermatas and other dynamic foo-fa-ras doesn’t mean that’s the way Bach wrote it. I can remember hearing versions of Handel’s Messiah with HUGE choirs and full orchestras. Not AT ALL the way it was written, and really distracting once you hear an “authentic” version with a smaller choir and fewer instruments. Just sayin’….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
I too miss the atmosphere baseball used to have. I remember years ago watching an HBO special called “When It Was a Game” that featured lots of rare old color footage of baseball games and players, and how interesting it was. Back in those days, players had loyalties to their teams and the cities those teams were in. Today they’re hugely overpaid journeymen who just go from team to team with no loyalties whatsoever.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Oh, I mourn the baseball that I listened to on the radio as a kid… My mother taught me how to keep score on a yellow pad when I was about 6. We LOVED Mel Allen and we LOATHED Red Barber. (Now you know where I’m from and who my team is!) I watched the best from the stands, and I just HATE that it’s all “big business” and “bigger personalities/egos” now. Where are Eddie Lopat or Suitcase Simpson now that we need them?
Balrog @ 86
Indeed, two different philosophies,’The game was created to demonstrate the futility of individual effort’, as opposed to ‘I don’t need a political position, because I own the men who do’.
I would have thought that we as a society would have devolved to the original’s state by now, and am always amazed that we haven’t.
;>)
RBG @ 58
Thanks for the link RGB. I read it…and you were right. It was worth reading.
pseudonymous in nc @ 89
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Not by Bach?!?! Say it ain’t so! (Tying in the baseball lingo here…)
On the page you linked we find one of the arguments as follows:
…Williams alleges that various musical passages in the work are simply too crude musically to have been Bach’s work.
Too crude? Huh? Perhaps I’m not sophisticated enough musically, but I’d love to know which passages are “crude.”
I wonder what Virgil Fox would have to say about that notion. The section you cited called the authorship question a controversy, but only named the arguments for it NOT being Bach. I’d love to hear what those who think it IS Bach say in response.
What’s charming on the page you linked is the citation of Keith’s show as the most recent pop culture reference to the music!! And then a few lines down the article cites the Virgil Fox concert series I attended. Sigh. Memories.
I admit, I’ve never seen Rollerball…what’s the basic idea?
The one Worst Person that really stood out for me was (and I don’t have the book handy right now–friend borrowed it), is the one where Barbara Bush donated some outrageous sum to a group, but only if they used it for a product that her son’s company was making. I think this must be education and Neal Bush. Can’t be sure right now.
Anyway, that one really exposed the Bushes for the criminals they are.
She wanted to get a MOTHERFUCKING TAX BREAK for a gift to her son.
Babs (Can I call you Babs? No? Well Too Fucking Bad, BABS), if you wanna dump some cash on your little darling, do it. Just don’t expect ME to pay for it! I mean, can you believ the fucking nerve. The bitch is as rich as Croesus (and getting richer), and she wants a tax break to give money to her own kid? Get the F out of here, Babs.
Oh, and to ask a question I saw on Americablog, Babs: Is it true you’re actually the Quaker Oats guy?
Just wondering.
Tru @ 98
Tru, I’ll let other folks here who are more articulate and film-savvy than I truly address your question, but it’s basically about Corporate Sports constructively trying to kill a man for ratings. A crude and lumpen statement, but I think it captures the basics.
In the last few days I have seen a couple of stories and remarks about the fall in gasoline prices. These could have been done anytime since early August when gas prices began their fall. What I find interesting, and another failure of the media, is that the national average for regular grade gasoline has increased for 4 days in a row. It looks like the fall has stopped but I have yet to see a mention of this anywhere.
Before the Foley scandal achieved a critical mass of disgust with Republicans, the fall in gas prices was able to take a lot of pressure off Republicans. I think this is an important story and would provide a timely reality check if Americans were told that the good news in energy prices has stopped.
One thing about the ratings for Countdown are kind of misleading. Many people don’t get MSNBC for whatever reason so it not like it’s a level playing field viewer wise. Many people only see his Special Comments on You Tube etc which of course don’t factor in the ratings.
I would love to get KO to sign my book.
Hugh @ 101
Hugh:
I don’t think Americans need the news to tell them that the prices have leveled off and that they need to brace for rising prices. They see it and feel it every time they’re at the pump.
Tru –
If you have not yet seen the Ken Burns documentary “Baseball,” tracing the game from its very early inception/variations from the earliest days of America — and IIRC the whole thing is 13 hours, shown multi-part on PBS — you are in for an amazing, amazing treat.
There were numerous times that documentary made me laugh out loud, and also shed a good few tears. It gets into so much detail, all the ups and downs, 19th century arguments between players and managers, the Negro leagues, baseball songs/tunes, what a racist, psychopathic creep Ty Cobb was, etc. etc. etc.
Anyone who loves baseball will be riveted for the whole thing. Hey, now there’s an idea for a Christmas gift…Ken Burns’ “Baseball” on DVD…hmmm…I like it!
Cozumel @ 102
Good point. But isn’t there a way to track the number of YouTube views? Maybe he should somehow allude to that… with an updated daily crawl???
LJ/Aquaria @ 99
I agree with you, I loveed that.
I know it’s like liberal porn, but have you read Kitty Kelly’s book on the Bush crime family? It’s delicious and it carves Babs to the core. (figuratively, of course, Mr. NSA man)
Marion 101, Rollerball sounds sort of like a sports version of Network…
Hugh 102, you have a good point about gas prices. I for one have always thought they would hit rock bottom before the election and then go right back up afterward. That the Republicans want it that way, so that voters will think they brought the prices down. I wonder if Keith will address this recent rise in prices.
And Cozumel 103, I agree, the Countdown ratings are misleading. I think MSNBC is terribly wise to allow the Special Comment clips to stay on YouTube and help Keith develop an audience. I’ve heard of people calling their cable company and asking for MSNBC, or ordering the tier of their local cable service that will give them MSNBC, after seeing those comments.
“That this might portend that the era of fashionably mind-numbing stupidity could be coming to an end, and the taste for ignorant, loudmouthed fatheads might be slaking.”
this idea is a mistake. They aren’t going anywhere. the insidious ignorati are a confirmed 35% of the American population. A strategy for dealing with them in perpetuity, keeping them boxed and caged is needed. To think they can be defeated is only to once again let our guard done thereby creating an opening for their resurgence.
They have always been there. They’ve been sneaking, crouching, building strength since ronnie raygun, only to burst the dam with the SCOTUS appointment of the idiot son, his heinou.
The effort now is not to eliminate them (because that can not be done without doing something heinous). The effort, the struggle for humanity’s existence and future is merely to get them back into containment.
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Cozumel @ 102
I would be one of those people, since I don’t have cable because in general I hate TV. I’ve been downloading KO’s Special Comments from C&L, one of my fave sites.
A halloween pic of Rush
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..200760352/
LJ/Aquaria @ 110
C&L deserves an Oscar, if there were such a thing for Da Toobz…
Mrs. K8 @ 106
Yes, but I understand that Keith himself found all sorts of factual errors in that series and Ken Burns got ticked at him about it too…I have to admit, I’m on Keith’s side, because if I knew as much about baseball as he does, I too would be annoyed to see someone do an in-depth series on the sport that was riddled with mistakes in fact!
Marion in Savannah @ 106
There are multiple You Tube uploads of the same thing. The ‘Rumsfeld’ one was well over a million views all tolled, IRRC. And then there’s C&L etc too
LJ and others –
May I make a suggestion which might help Keith out at MSNBC?
Even though I often see the clips at that great site, C&L, I still make it a point to ALSO head on over to Keith’s own MSNBC webpage.
To watch it there, to read the transcript (or at least just click on that link), to then email the link around several times — from the MSNBC “email this item” link rather than copying and pasting the link.
From remarks Keith has made on his show, MSNBC managment has taken note of the greatly increased volume of traffic Keith’s page gets, and they keep count of how many times the Special Comments get emailed.
This can only help our good friend in the long run.
pluege @ 110
I guess what you’re saying here is that we can’t stop ignorant, loudmouthed fatheads–we can only hope to contain them. ;-)
I’m gun shy from running with an artsy crowd I guess!
Tru @
77
Hot dogs, warm summer nights, baseball, the ’50’s and sixties. How sweet it was. Long time ago.
UptownNYChick @ 85
yeah, I saw them too. Love it! Damn good idea to ditch the cute ones and get serious, IMO.
Cozumel @ 114
That’s sort of my point, I think… I know I don’t really download something from YouTube more than once. Do other people look at the same thing repeatedly? I’m pretty much tabula rasa when it comes to “new toobz stuff,” so I’m asking an honest question here. If he’s getting over a million views that ought to make an interesting crawl…
Tru –
Oh no! First it’s “maybe Bach didn’t write Toccata & Fugue in D Minor,” not it’s Ken Burns’ documentary kinda sucked.
Don’t know if I can handle all this disillusionment at once. :-(
Oh well. Still, the doc DID capture the spirit in a charming and heart-warming way, don’t you think? I know young people who saw it and developed a new-found attraction to the game as a result.
BTW — do you know where I could find out the details of WHICH items in the documentary were wrong? I’d love to be enlightened in any misapprehensions I may have.
Although I still think Ty Cobb was a racist, psychopathic creep….
:-)
Yea, it will be interesting to see if anything comes of this look into the tax exempt status of the NCAA. I spent 20 years running kids sports programs and saw lots of good thing but finally bailed out because of the bad (the parents). I feel the same way about college sports, I love them but am fully aware of the incredible abuses and exploitation that exists. So is Keith.
Oklahoma kiddo @
83
Keith has mentioned on the show in the past how many views one of his comments got on YouTube. I think he’s mentioned somewhere that MSNBC is aware of this too.
My brother-in-law-in-law made WPITW once, and I called my sister-in-law to tell her my excitement about seeing her brother on Countdown. While the reason for his selection for the Bronze that day was foolishness rather than malfeasance or felony, she was not amused. I thought it was pretty cool, and my fiance enjoyed seeing it again in the hardcover, which has finally been passed over to my side of the bed for perusal.
I guess I’ve got about a week to get it read! Olbermann’s a great catch for FDLBookSalon, Jane. I bet John Dean put in a good word — he and Keith seem pretty tight buddies lately….
Mrs. K8 @ 122
I don’t have any opinion on the Burns documentary myself because I have not seen it. I don’t know whether Keith’s “list of factual errors” is available anywhere online, either. Hey–maybe that’s something you can ask him for next week. “Hey, Keith, will you give me a list of all the errors in Ken Burns?” He’ll probably be delighted to oblige!
As for Ty Cobb, you’re probably right about him and for all I know Keith would say no, Burns didn’t get that part wrong!
I guess what you’re saying here is that we can’t stop ignorant, loudmouthed fatheads–we can only hope to contain them. ;-)
Yes, exactly. And we can do our best to see that ignorant, loudmouthed fatheads are universally reviled amongst sane people. Or at least not considered “cool.”
Tru @ 123
It’s free advertising. And as someone upthread mentioned, if they don’t get MSNBC they can upgrade their tier package ; )
Keith is indeed a great catch for this salon. Kudos to you, Jane. Liked seeing you on Countdown too!
Mrs. K8 @ 115,
What a simply great idea! And simple, too. All I have to do is bookmark MSNBC and keep hammering at them how great KO’s stuff is… Yeah, I’m a doofus for not doing it yet… Thanks for the tip!
Mrs. K8 @ 121
I’m not surprised (and glad) that the folks that hang out here can actually name the composer and composition for WPITW. Says something about a good liberal arts education, which is clearly what KO got at Cornell. He’s one of the few who employs good english.
Tru @ 128
Encore! ; )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJrAQrBofM
okay, just to weave this in so it is not totally OT- but has Olbermann done any commentary on the CT senate race, or is he likely to? I really did enjoy the Olbermann pt2 (via YouTube) on the death of “Stay the Course”, and especially so because it included a Lieberman snippet.
From KO’s book:
Rush Limbaugh. He is offering the gullible a special patriotic deal. They can “adopt a soldier” and give US servicemen a “free” subscription to his Web Site. All they have to do is pay Rush $49.95. The soldier gets free access to the Web Site. And Rush Limbaugh gets nothing out of it–unless you count keeping the $49.95
Rush–I see we’ve found a new doctor!
You want to donate something to the troops? Just give them free subscriptions! You know. Its called Charity.
Rush Limbaugh, todays Worst Person in the world!
Cozumel @ 128
Yep, that someone would be me. I think it makes a lot of sense for those who own the copyrights for some of the stuff on YouTube to be a bit less concerned about protecting their intellectual property rights and look more upon some of these clips as free advertising that helps drive more eyeballs to the stuff that will help them earn profits. Of course, it depends on the copyright owner. I think if you’re a big network like NBC or MSNBC, though, it only profits you to have small, powerfully attractive clips of one of your television shows on YouTube–it whets people’s appetite to start watching the real thing, complete with all the commercials you sold on it.
Teddy –
You’re right about Keith and John Dean. When Dean’s latest book was released, he insisted that his very first teevee interview on it would be on Countdown.
In fact, that was how a rumor got started that management was going to yank Keith. The program featured the Dean interview with Keith, then went to a guest news announcer for the rest of the show.
That happened because Keith was on vacation, and made the unusual effort to get the interview taped ANYWAY (not like our Georgie, eh?). Keith had to release a statement explaining the whole thing, because fans were worried that other announcers were going to take over the show.
But that’s how important it was to both Dean and Keith that Dean’s book get interviewed first on Countdown.
I can imagine that it will be very busy next Sunday when KO is here. Might get crowded in fact! :>)
Val, I don’t think Keith has touched on the Conn. Senate race of late, but that doesn’t mean he won’t again at some point.
There’s a few more problems Keith needs to tackle concerning the gov’t rountinely violating our Constitutional rights.
They violate the 1st Amendment by caging demonstrators and banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
The violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies.
Give Keith credit for at least starting a dialogue.
Support indy media.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov’t and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/books…..95-38523-0
Tru @ 137
Maybe our Jane can have a word with him about that…
Urban Pirate @ 119
Pats play tomorrow night, I hope they hit that too. That’ll cover the state.
Tru @ 134
Tru, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. I gave up watching TV news years ago, and only found out about KO through links to his work on blogs (here, C&L, The Great Orange Overlord, World O’ Crap, etc., etc., etc.) Although, actually, they may PREFER folks like me not to turn on the daily news….
Maybe baseball is Keith’s favorite sport, but I bet it wasn’t the night his Mom got hit by a fall ball at Yankee Stadium about 15 years ago.
Might be a link I can find somewhere. I’ll have to go to “the google”
Cobb was a first class bigot and weirdo. I don’t like him. Was it Tommy Lee Jones who portrayed Ty in the movie? I absolutely love baseball films.
Mrs. K8 @ 136
I remember that night! Keith had to leave the show early because he had dinner reservations! Then the next night he had to come on and explain this was the only reason he left the show early.
Some people get a little too antsy when they tune in Countdown and Keith’s not on. They jump the gun and think “Oh no, he’s been fired!” when the truth is that he’s just on vacation or taking a day off or leaving to tape another TV show or sneaking out to a ballgame.
It all started with a vacation he took back in late 2004 after the election, when he had been leaning heavily on reporting the election irregularities in Ohio. He actually left the set to begin his vacation–it was kind of a joke–and I guess a lot of people e-mailed him and MSNBC protesting his “on-air firing.”
I don’t mean to take over this thread, but Matt Stoller has written something so important that I must post it in its entirety. Matt and Pach have both been doing very important work on this matter and I want to take this opportunity to thank both of them. Here’s the article:
http://matt_stoller.mydd.com/s…../19156/989
Senate Democrats and Bill Clinton Stab Us In The Front
by Matt Stoller, Sun Oct 29, 2006 at 07:15:06 PM EST
In the Lieberman-Lamont fight, there has been a fair amount of handwringing over why Lamont isn’t blowing Joe out of the water. Why, if Joe lost to Lamont, isn’t he losing in the general? Why did Lamont let Joe get away? Well there are a number of reasons, but among the most prominent is the total abandonment of Lamont by the party establishment. And let’s be very clear – this is not Lamont that they are abandoning, it’s the party primary voters that they are abandoning.
Whether it was a standing ovation at a caucus meeting when Joe got back to the Senate after his primary loss, or Obama refusing to come to Connecticut or criticize Joe in any way, or Bill Clinton praising Lieberman on Larry King, or Harry Reid promising Lieberman seniority, or Chuck Schumer refusing to get involved and practically being forced to not back Lieberman after the primary, or insiders telling Lamont’s campaign that they would talk Joe out of the race if Lamont didn’t go on the attack, it’s very clear that the Democratic Party leadership is rotten to the core. With the exception of John Kerry and Wes Clark, no high profile Democrats have been there for Lamont.
Here’s the latest on Lieberman bragging about the seniority he’ll have if he wins reelection. Make no mistake, these DC Democrats are only our temporary allies. They have total contempt for the rules of the party, and they cheered Joe after he faced us in the primary. It is no longer reasonable for them to call for party unity, because they no longer have any legitimate claim to call themselves leaders of the party. They may be leaders for the next few decades simply due to inertia, but it’s very clear that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are liars who think nothing of insulting Democratic primary voters who play by the rules.
The American people know this. They know that Democratic Senators are moral lepers, weaklings, and that is the only reason we aren’t further ahead when the Republicans screw everything up. The Democratic Senate leaders will sell us out at every opportunity, be it torture, Iraq, Alito, Lieberman, the Bankruptcy Bill, or stopping war with Iran. They aren’t poll-driven, they aren’t fear-driven, and they aren’t driven by strategic differences. They are simply driven to beat us down, their voters, by any means necessary. That’s why they cheered Joe.
It’s sad. Lamont can win this, and we’re all doing our best to make that happen. But the important story here is not that the country supports the war, it doesn’t. Lieberman is running on an antiwar platform, promising to bring the troops home in a transparently dishonest pander to the left. The important story here is that the DC Senate Democrats and DC lobbyists are not on our side. They have their own side, a side that is out of touch, immoral, and dishonest.
We can win this fight, as the polls are tightening. But it would be a whole lot easier without that knife in our back.
john in sacramento @ 143
I have seen and heard his comments on that. Supposedly he knew right when he saw where Chuck Knoblauch had thrown the ball that the person he had hit was his mom! He knew where she would be sitting and that she would be the one to get it.
From Time Magazine:
The Secret Letter From Iraq
He write had this to say about pundits:
http://www.time.com/time/world…..58,00.html
Kiddo –
Cobb actually stabbed a hotel employee (black) for not being “deferential” enough to him. It got settled out of court for a chunk of change.
Then Cobb left the plate and charged the stands and beat up a fan for yelling at him that Cobb was a “n*****-lover” or maybe that Cobb was racially mixed himself, some-such. He seriously injured the fan, who was actually physically disabled and unable to stand or defend himself.
Scumbag.
Yeah, it was Tommy Lee Jones in the film. Didn’t see it yet, did you? Was it good? I wouldn’t want to see it if it sugarcoats Cobb in any way.
Big fat hair rats!!! I had to miss the book thread because of a Dem organization meeting tonight, and I’ll have to miss it for the same reason next week, too!!
And damn, but this book is a fun read, too!!!
Maybe if a few more local Dems show up to help with phonebanking and literature drops all week and on Saturday, we can cut our organization meeting short so I can make it…[hint, hint]…
xyz
had just read that. It’s so true. The picture of them giving JoLie a standing ovation behind closed doors after he faced the real people Democrats and lost is a very apt illustration.
They did it because he is one of them. They did it behind closed doors, because they don’t want to face us, the real people.
Chuck Schumer should be next to face the angry people.
Tru @ 113
I’m going to come in with my pet peeve about Keith: his condescension towards soccer. The nil-nil and riot jokes are funny the first time, but on twentieth repeat, not so much. I understand that some sports pundits see soccer as a direct threat to baseball, but that’s silly. There’s as much lore and legend to the beautiful game, and as much parallel love for sports junkies to find common cause.
Larry H @ 139
Larry, sounds like you weren’t tuned in the night Keith took a copy of the Bill of Rights and X’ed out every amendment except the Third (although technically I think he could have X’ed out that one too) to demonstrate how much of it would be left without habeas corpus.
Tru @
146
You’re right, it was Knoblauch
Here’s where my emails go when I’m happy with Keith’s work that day:
His Boss: dabrams@msnbc.com
The Countdown inbox: countdown@msnbc.com
Keith’s inbox: kolbermann@msnbc.com
Perhaps y’all will find these handy when you’re pleased with a particular Countdown segment or Special Comment.
btw, did anyone notice the ad for the British Bush assassination film on Friday’s Countdown, or was that my local Comcast only?
Jeebus. Anyone watching 60 Minutes? It’s about the battlefield surgeons and nurses. It’s heartwrenching.
pseudonymous in nc @ 152
I agree with you, Keith is too hard on soccer and he’s made enemies of many soccer fans over the years as a result. I don’t think he sees soccer as any kind of threat to baseball, though. I just think he doesn’t get into it, so he fails to see how other people can, and he could do a bit of a better job of being tolerant of other people’s passions for other sports.
He’s actually made some quite thoughtful statements about why he thinks soccer will never be as popular in the USA as it is in the rest of the world, and he has also said that if baseball were introduced as a brand-new sport to the USA today, it would not be any more popular than soccer.
Rayne @ 149
Big fat hair rats!!!
Bwahahaha!
Teddy, I can’t send e-mail to the Countdown inbox because it automatically rejects all e-mail from my ISP. I don’t know why. I do send mail regularly to Keith when I like his work, though. Should send it to Dan Abrams too, I guess. Can’t hurt.
I recall John Edwards being the first to campaign with NED post-primary in Connecticut. If asses are being kicked and names taken, it’s important to get the names right.
TeddySanFran @ 159
Actually someone who was anonymous (effectively) but apparently from the Lamont campaign made a comment here about the support from Feingold in sending a field organizer to the Lamont campaign, and how great that person had been. Anyone else remember this comment? Yesterday maybe?
i think that commenter was called ‘anonymous nedhead’ if that makes searching any easier. i do recall the comment, it sounded like a greatly appreciated contribution by russ….
I do recall that but can’t be more specific.
Valley Girl @
160
xyz,
I agree. I have said this many times here but Establishment Democrats support Joe because Joe is one of them. If Lamont wins, he will do so with the grassroots and the netroots. As for Obama when he talks about audacity I don’t think it means what he thinks it does.
Mrs. K8 @ 148
Worth a look. I think.
TeddySanFran @ 159
I think Matt Stoller in an article pointed out that Edwards went to CT after the primary but hasn’t been back since. Matt implied that Edwards’ support for Lamont isn’t nearly what it should be.
Is this it?
UPDATE: 10/28/06 5:37 PM PST. I want to post this update from Tim Tagaris, netroots coordinator for the Lamont campaign, empasis added, with apologies to Senator Feingold:
I’ve seen the entries, I’ve been part of back-channel discussions on the topic, and I know it’s on a lot of people’s minds. Let me just clear a few things up, and know that I will go into tedious amounts of detail (along with Swan) post-primary. Let me start by saying this has never been about a $5,000 PAC check or high-dollar fundraisers.
John Kerry and Wes Clark have been nothing short of amazing. If you are the type of person keeping score at home, note that please.
It’s also important to note that Russ Feingold is taking a bit of undeserved heat. That’s partially my fault. I didn’t find out until after the original post went up on Firedoglake that we had only asked the Senator to visit 48 hours ago for the first time. By then, his schedule was full inside his home state of Wisconsin. We are looking to involve him in other ways.
We have an open invitation to Senator Obama and John Edwards to appear in Connecticut down the stretch as well. A lot of people would like to know about the Clintons as well. Well, more on those stories post-primary. Ultimately, it would have been great if others chose to stand up to Senator Lieberman as he continually throws the Democratic Party under the bus. It’s symptomatic of a party perpetually bullied by the right-wing that only a small handful have chosen to. But that’s alright, we’re still going to win this thing with you and a few friends. Finally, the DSCC sent out an email to their entire CT list (50,000 I’m told) asking them to volunteer down the stretch.
Clearly, His Triangulatorness and Her Ladyship have not kept their word, if I read Tim’s comment correctly:
raven- thanks- I forgot that info from the Lamont blog- but here is the original comment I was referring to:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-352636
Anonymous NedHead @
89
TeddySanFran,
It’s important to realize that Establishment Democrats are not being bullied into supporting Lieberman. They are doing it of their own free will. His views are their views. His ways are their ways. He is a symbol for all that is worst in the Democratic Party. Schumer could be a Lieberman clone (but without the charisma *g*). Obama will be Lieberman in 10 years.
So, is that it? We’re all done discussing Keith and his book and now we’re just going to talk Lamont/Lieberman?
Just saw an anti Chris Shays ad that was good.
It had a little old lady saying “It’s like he represents George Bush, not Connecticut.”
OT.. If not already posted; Howie has posted a Webb piece that has a good video of a Webb rally.
The more of Webb that I see, the less concerns I have that he will be a DINO.
Jane’s offering Torches and Pitchforks upstairs.
First Bush Spins Then Troops Die
Controlling the message as well as secrecy are hallmarks of the Bush administration. With Karl Rove at the helm, the GOP hard core daily prepare talking points which are then mimed in jackboot precision by the faithful.
This is tough shrewd politics.
The problem however, which Suskind, Woodward and others have brought to the fore, is that at some point the talking points cease to have any symmetry with reality.
The Rovian ultra spin method is to disseminate public pronouncements based on what the GOP wants the public to believe, facts and reality notwithstanding.
The horror that now encompasses America’s lost freedoms, its almost sordid world reputation and its troop killing inept military strategies arises because America’s Commander-in-Chief believes the artificial world of his own spin.
An oft repeated political adage with despotic origins is that “If you tell the people a lie, any lie, often enough, they will begin to believe it.”
George Bush lies, then believes his own lies. God help us
by: cognitorex cajohnson Tue Oct 17
Keith won my heart when he was the ONLY one to consistently question the election results from Ohio in 2004. He has been the one shining beacon of relentless honesty and integrity, the smirky humor just adds to the fun. He always validates that my outrage is justified. Why aren’t we rioting in the streets?
Sharona @ 175
Sharona, I feel the same. The only reason I don’t riot in the streets is because I would be alone. Although if this next election gets stolen, I may not be so alone!
Tru @ 176
Tru,
Get your shoes on!Let’s go!
Oh, believe me, Sharona…if this vote doesn’t get counted right, I will be out there!
Well, looks as if things have quieted down a bit. Will definitely be back next week, though.
We’ll be in New York next week end so I’ll have to remember to check in on Sunday. Who needs Broadway, museums, restaurants when we can huddle over Jim’s laptop and chat with the great? And then riot in the streets.
The only book I have that we’re discussing here, and I miss the book thread?!
Next week. I’m stapling a note to my hand now.
Wow. Real Live Keith? I will be here. So what time is the salon?
*xyz @
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I’d prefer a blog segment to the Celebrity and Entertainment segment he calls “Keeping Tabs”. The blogs would be an improvment over Tom Cruise and his daughter or Kevin Federline. Then again, it might remove some of his snark ability to take that out. Perhaps he could cut that in half and spend the other half of the time going after Drudge and the other right wing smear merchants.
LJ/Aquaria @
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Naw, my favorite was the WPITW segment where he fried Faux the day after the Reverend Lowery Speech. I loved the part where Faux used the explosion from Independence Day and Keith said if you’re going to use that to scare your listeners, only do it when he claims he’s protecting us from Terrorists from Outer space! Then Faux won the “Worst” person award for shortening Reverend Lowery’s speech. Keith said “they commented on the lack of applause, after they edited out the applause–come on guys it’s called Journalism, look it up in a dictionary”!
By the by, being a non recovering geek, I couldn’t resist crunching some numbers on our Act Blue Donations:
$505,085.00 from 5,873 donations.
Average donation: $86.00
For me, feeling like i’m a contributor to getting rid of the cancer that’s run this country into the ground…”priceless”.
Thank you FDL–I really love this site!!!!!
Commenting on the Tommy Lee Jones Ty Cobb portrayal, it’s certainly not sugarcoated. I watched it a number of years ago when I was going through a TLJ phase, and it’s very interesting, though also quite a downer. Near the end, I was thinking, “That poor old man hasn’t got a friend in the world! Well, yeah, because he treated everyone he ever knew like DIRT!”
I know zilcharooni about baseball, just watched it because it starred Jones.
Ron Russel@183
Good call, Russell! And easy to test, too, in terms of effect on ratings.
you’re going to get like 9000 comments.
Oops… there’s only one “N” in San Marcos. :)
My favorite was the Holiday Ornaments controversy…something about Orally’s “ornaments hanging from a tree” brings me great joy.
Aw, you guys… I like “Keeping Tabs”. I think KO is great at keeping it in perspective.