
If I thought for a minute that the editorial department at the NYT had anything to do with the news divison I might declare a moratorium on beating them up for a while but they don't so I can still call the reporters (and the editors they blame) who fawn all over Lieberman and distort the truth on his behalf a bunch of wankers even as I think this rocks :
The Senate Race in Connecticut
The Congressional elections are very much about America’s problems in Iraq. But the campaigns have shed little light on exactly what should happen next. Nowhere is that more true than in Connecticut. The two leading candidates, Ned Lamont and Joseph Lieberman, have clear disagreements over whether invading Iraq was a good idea in the first place, but grow much fuzzier when the question of future strategy comes up.
Mr. Lieberman, a three-term Democratic senator now running as an independent, talks about the threat of Islamic terrorism. Mr. Lamont, who beat Mr. Lieberman in the Democratic primary, reminds voters what a mess the invasion created. When it comes to the next step, Mr. Lieberman seems to mimic the Bush administration’s proposal to stay the course (while no longer mentioning that toxic phrase) with new tactics. Mr. Lamont is close to the Senate Democrats (minus Mr. Lieberman) who demanded a timetable for withdrawal without being too firm on what that ought to entail.
No one expects legislators to dictate military tactics. But what we need from the next crop of elected officials in Washington is a willingness to face reality, to choose from among difficult options and have the courage to be honest with the public about the consequences. On those points, Mr. Lamont is by far the better candidate.
Two months ago, Connecticut’s Democratic voters sent Mr. Lieberman what should have been a jarring wake-up call when they rejected him for Mr. Lamont, a relative newcomer. We have been waiting to see what lessons the state’s best-known politician took from his defeat, and from the daily evidence of the deterioration of the situation in Iraq.
We wanted to see a capacity for growth and change in Mr. Lieberman. The country is full of Republicans who now realize the Iraq invasion was a disaster, either in its basic concept or in its execution. The most honorable of them are in agony over what has happened. Mr. Lieberman, who had not only continually defended the administration’s Iraq policy but also attacked Democrats who criticized the president, had more cause for soul-searching than most.
But instead of re-evaluating his own positions, Mr. Lieberman blamed his constituents for failing to notice that he had offered some negative comments about the conduct of the war, too, mainly when he was running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2004. He did not protest when Dick Cheney said that people who voted for Mr. Lamont were giving comfort to “Al Qaeda types.” His only reflection seemed devoted to a re-examination of the rules for getting back on the ballot.
Since his primary defeat, Mr. Lieberman has run a well-packaged campaign built around his self-assigned bipartisan image — “It’s not about politics,” say his ads. But it is very much about politics — from the flood of special interest campaign donations that has been running Mr. Lieberman’s way to the old Karl Rove lesson that political winners never admit to error.
We are living in perilous times. Being able to work with the opposition party — Mr. Lieberman’s claim to fame — is hardly a sign of moral courage when the opposition party controls the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. President Bush did not need Mr. Lieberman’s persistent support on Iraq when he had the deference of his own party members in Congress. What the country needed — and what Connecticut had the right to expect — was for Mr. Lieberman to risk some of his bipartisan clout to call attention to the way Iraq was spiraling out of control.
The fatal problem with Mr. Lieberman’s candidacy is not that he was wrong about the invasion, but that he has not shown any capacity to grow and change. Suggesting that getting rid of Donald Rumsfeld might be a good idea is hardly a breakthrough at a time when the secretary of defense’s supporters are pretty much limited to the president and members of the Rumsfeld family.
Mr. Lieberman has changed his tone but not his underlying conviction that he has been right all along. He and Mr. Bush are still on the very same page, encouraging the American people to believe that there is a happy ending for American involvement in Iraq, and that all it takes is the perseverance to keep marching toward the end of the rainbow.
Ned Lamont has run a far less polished campaign than Mr. Lieberman, but the more we see of him, the more impressed we are by his intelligence and his growing sophistication about the issues facing the nation. He is very much in the Connecticut mold of basically moderate, principled politicians, and his willingness to take on Mr. Lieberman when no one else dared to do it showed real courage and conviction. He would make a good senator. More important, he has the capacity to continually become a better one. We endorse Ned Lamont for Senate.
Well said.
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fitz!
the coveted 0!
Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease.
It appears that his post by Sweet Jane has been formatted for Spotlight.
First!
Wow! This’ll sure embarass NYC’s Mayor Gotbux when he goes to campaign for RGJoe in Stamford.
where is everyone? only Balrog and I seem to be here, and we don’t know who was first….
TeddySanFran @ 5
Comment of the day.
Jane, isn’t this the first photo you posted when you introduced us to NED? It’s very Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
WOW! Joe really is a putz!
OUCH! That’s gonna leave a mark.
Bwahahaha! :)
Hell yes!
…
“Sack of shit, party of one?”
…
There’s hope for the NYTimes after all. Some of them are dealing with reality. Damn, that’s refreshing.
I’m drunk.
TeddySanFran @
8
I thin it was, Teddy.
I wonder how Holy Joe and DANGER!stein will try to spin this?
Joe’s head is going to explode when he reads that they doubt his moral courage.
Joe is so pre-911…
Never was a Deer Hunter quote more apt.
;>)
postmodernista @
6
No, you got first, PostToastie.
I’m just sayin’.
SPOTLIGHT
darkblack @ 19
This is this.
Who knew The Grey Lady could be so snarky!?
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.
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Who here has been advising the NYT editorial board, anyway?
(tsf bold)
Yowzahs. Take that and a boot in the pants, Joe. It’s more than you deserve.
Hooray!
ccmask @
14
I’m not so think as you drunk I am.
hey- following up on my notes on the previous thread in a message to dab- it would be so great to have this NYT editorial as part of major ads in CT papers. I checked out the Courant ad stuff, but couldn’t see a possibility.
However, this earlier article from Spazeboy suggests that there are various CT newspapers who do run larger ads (not just obituary notices as the Courant seems to do. Anyone out there in CT have time to check out the possibilities, along the lines of ads mentioned in Spazeboy’s link?
http://www.greenwichtime.com/n…..-headlines
My favorite part:
Yeah being willing to give a reach-around to your masters does not exactly make you the tower of strength that Joe thinks it does. I really like that the Times gets that.
Actually, I hope it shames the entire Democratic leadership – uh – like Hillary, Bill, Chuck, Harry et al.
People are dying – our soldiers – innocent Iraqis
The military is begging for the country to change course – Generals are stating that they hope Democrats take over the Congress
A majority of Democrats in CT voted for Ned Lamont. Ned Lamont is the Democratic candidate for Senate in Connecticut.
What, about each of those facts is so hard for Hillary, Bill, Barak, Harry, Chuck, et al, to understand?
Is loyalty to a friend more important than saving this country from catastrophe?
Is loyalty to a friend more important than respecting the democratic process?
Words cannot express how disgusted I am at the way the Dem party has handled this.
God Bless the New York Times.
ccmask @
14
This is my favorite post of all time.
Ned will be great. We need honest business leaders in Washington, especially ones that don’t arrive in town with six shooters in their belt ready to attack nations who didn’t do anything to deserve it. Anyhow, Joe has a lot of nose hairs and that really bothers me.
“moratorium”
I have an offer: if I say “fuckin’ A” here, and call news reporters who misreport on Lieberman a bunch of “pussies,” would you consider making the last two words, “Well said.” — so I can Spotlight this great editorial to all those wankers media in CT? Just a thought? ;)
dab- please check my post above about taking out ads in CT papers- ads that give the text of the NYT editorial. Is this feasible? You know the turf… xxooo
Sharoney @ 16
It will be ignored. It’s up to us. GOTV.
(please)
ccmask @ 14
On the wall of the men’s bathroom at the 40 Watt someone has scrawled, “I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER”.
Underneath it, someone else has written, “GO HOME DAD, YOU’RE DRUNK”.
Thanks balrog. Do I win something! Just buy me another cozmo.
Balrog @ 21
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
;>)
Which one, the bathroom in the front or back?
And I complained about others babbling in the last post.
Better to have a double-standard than no standard at all…
lol t! It’s not the end of the world for Joe, but I can see it from here.
Really, what is the hesitation here? Connecticut has a fabulous candidate: smart, articulate, principled. What possible reason could there be for any democrat not to support their own candidate? This is a fucking disgrace. These people better get their ass to Connecticut and show some support or THEY ARE NEXT.
I absolutely love that they left room here to read between the lines, left it up to us to say,
For once, NYT, thank you.
darkblack @ 36
Get your own boots.
I just came from a Halloween party where they swiped a bunch of repub campaign signs and made up a nice graveyard!
Sharoney @ 16
Holy Joe will whimper and whine. DANGERSTEIN will say something comically stupid. They’re nothing if not predictable.
Apparently there is a Likud Party member in Israel named Lieberman who is considered too far right…sounds familiar eh.
I found this headline on the website for the paper Ha’aretz:
Bringing Lieberman into the coalition is a moral, political crime
I feel the same about Slush fund Joe.
-GSD
ccmask @ 35
Post a link. I’m not joking!
dab from CT @ 28
Is Joe Lieberman really the friend they want to believe he is?
Speaking of newspapers, check this out before it disappears:
AP STATE WIRE
10-26-06 13:25,,
October 28, 2006
Associated Press
TEST BULLETIN — The following is a TEST. Joe Lieberman, CTL, elected U.S. Senate, Connecticut.
Go Ned!!
Lieberman is going to wet himself if he reads this.
Jane- are you reading? I think it would be a great idea to have full page ads in CT papers, ads that quote the NYT editorial. Paid for by “friends of Ned Lamont”, of course. I, for one, would be into this big time (loosely speaking, of course). Actually meaning, I would contribute $$$ for this. And, you must have the contacts to put this idea forward, if you think it is worthy.
scarecrow,
you’ve got mail re tomorrow in CT
Valley Girl @ 32
Yes! I think it’s a great idea. I will post your suggestion on the blog. Tim and others read the comments.
I’m going to print out copies to take canvassing with me. I will strongly suggest to the head of volunteers in our area that the endorsement be passed out the rest of the week.
This is great news.
Cool Raven. What a great idea. I wish I had grabbed one of those foley signs before they disappeared overnight. Must have neeb a gop tribe up all night grabbing them signs because they were so gone so fast. Damn. I really wanted one too. They are so slow with everyting else but signs in this here little town of Lake Placid. Me and my son posted a sign on the overpass a couple of months ago at midnight about dear leader and when we went at *:00 AM it was already gone. bastids.
Sharoney @ 47
I not only checked it out, I did a screen capture.
scarecrow @
31
Deal.
The quick and the dead I guess!
ccmask @ 53
What dab from CT and Carolyn Urban said.
Post a link to what balrogg?
If only the NYT would dispatch their legions of reporters to cover Lieberman’s $387,000 ‘petty cash’ issue. That could put the nail in the coffin.
oh, yeah, another repeat from prev. thread, but I hope all you Ned door-to-door folks tomorrow and further will have copies of this editorial to hand out on your calls. Go Ned!
EvilDrPuma @ 54
Me too! And downloaded an internet archive file. I’m looking forward to emailing it to DANGER!stein after the election is over, with the one-word title, “HA!”
Jane Hamsher @ 55
I’ll throw in an apology for teasing about missing the Berkeley meeting. I should have said, “thanks for giving up the meeting to work on that great video. I know you wanted to be there.” Classy Lady.
ccmask @ 58
How can I reward you for the ‘I’m drunk’ post.
It cracked me up!
Valley Girl @
60
Got a little copier in my basement. It will be chugging away in the morning before we take off for CT.
Go Dab, Rev, VG, thanks for carrying the ball for the rest of us.
That’s a pretty good spanking from the NYT. Joe, time out, go to your room! LOL
Jane Hamsher @ 27
Yeah being willing to give a reach-around to your masters does not exactly make you the tower of strength that Joe thinks it does. I really like that the Times gets that.
This editorial will NOT make Jennifer Medina’s life any easier, reporter/opinion firewall notwithstanding. Our anger over her journanimalizm will be as nothing compared to RGJoe’s rage. Tammy Sun may have lost her new best friend.
Sharoney @ 61
Along with a copy of this, perhaps?
I thought that the triumph of the NYTimes endorsing Ned would dissolve into the most charmingly incoherent comments I have ever seen on FDL.
We seem to be a charmingly goofy bunch tonight.
I am dropping in briefly. I am having the worst 2-3 weeks of my professional life and undergoing the tortures of the damned. I am so glad you guys are here and so proud of the work the good bloggers here have accomplished.
Hurrah, folks!!
I went to Joe’s blog to share the NYTimes endorsement news, but darn it! There’s no way to leave comments anymore. He’s no fun.
Balrog @ 42
What do you think you are, God?
;>)
Alison @ 69
Alison, my aim is true.
Alison – so sorry to hear that. Hope things start getting better soon.
dab from CT @ 51
And, I hope Jane is reading. I’m sure she knows some crucial phone numbers to push the ad thing. RevDeb probably does too!!!
Sharoney @
47
what’s the CTL stand for? Couldn’t Take Losing?
EvilDrPuma at 8:15 p, thanks for grabbing that. Let’s hope we can use it on November 8.
So how will Bloomberg take this news I wonder??
Ruby Tuesday @ 75
Conceded To Lamont?
PS: Seeing that Bloombergs new career is supporting Senators who lose primaries.
watch this ad, and see how a republican woman compares her rapist to her democratic opponent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsy0E0RRTPA
this ad is for the mayoral race in alexandria, louisiana.
EvilDrPuma @ 68
Great idea. Picture worth a thousand words, and all that.
MIchael Kinsley appears to be having an argument with his own drunk self in the WaPo tomorrow morning. Succeeding paragraphs seem to take opposing viewpoints, resulting in quite a pub-muddle.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01314.html
darkblack @ 71
Who’s the head bull-goose loony around here?
Borat on SNL now
EDP – your lips to the Gods’ ears!
oh, and -
“Ned!!!!!!”
CTL=can’t tie laces
Could someone please refresh my memory and tell me how to do a screen grab?
Ok, this is the first time I am trying this.
E.P.U’ed from last post.
This is a big idea, I hope the dem campaigns are doing it. A lot of people communicate by text now — even the rethugs have figured it out.
vie TPM
dab from CT @ 87
you on a mac?
EvilDrPuma @ 78
Dr. Evil, you are on fire tonight!
No – HP laptop
dab from CT @ 91
sorry, can’t help. I do mac
Louisiana Girl @
81
Damn Bill Clinton and the Democrats using infallibale victims to push their evil agenda.
-GSD
Its usually the ctrl printscreen button, but you have to paste it into something, like a word doc.
Yes – RevDeb, Jane, Siun – all know who to contact with the suggestion
Isn’t a acreen grab when you email the page?
GSD @ 94
Balrog @ 83
What worries me is how your mother is going to take this.
;>)
Unfortunately – no print screen key (first time I’ve noticed) thought someone might know which f key. I guess it depends on the make
new thread: Glory of the Lurkers
OT Red Auerbach 1917 – 2006
ccmask @ 77
“Apology accepted, Mr. Sulzberger.”
Let’s move this party to Pach’s Late Night post upstairs.
I’ve got the champagne…will a couple of you bigger guys take the keg with you?
ccmask @
78
With typical indifference. But, there’s little question in my mind that this editorial was prompted by Bloomberg’s last-minute attempt to buy the election–most likely as a present (with strings) to Lieberman. That’s the sort of push-back that the NYT’s capable of doing, and it’s also about the limit of what they can do as an organization.
Bloomberg’s got other political things in mind, and, for them, he thinks he’ll need Lieberman’s help.
I do hope Joe, in his retirement, has lots of time to help Michael Bloomberg.
darkblack @
99
Good answer. Good answer. I like the way you think. I’m gonna be watching you.
Gooble gobble. Shall we return to the party?
Balrog @ 105
They’re going to make you one of them, my peacock
;>)
Ruby Tuesday @ 76
Constantly Telling Lies
1970cs @ 107
Connecticut’s Tiniest Legislator
That Lamont endorsement is a game-changer.
Lamont is now right back in that race. Gotta go, I’m off to give Ned another $100…
Sharoney @
48
Yea, I see it too! WTF?
Does Conn. use diebold machines? For some reason, I feel that something’s not quite right w/ the poll #’s. Lamont should (in my opinion) be way ahead of that odious toad LIEberman. Perhaps the outcome is already a done deal?
There oughta be a law. An election law. You get fired from your job on Friday, do you show up at work on Monday saying you don’t accept the decision?
That’s what Lieberman did.
And no laws exist to stop this conduct.
#71 – TheotherWA – CTBob has a mirror site to Joe’s where you can leave comments
http://joe2006blog.blogspot.com/
What’s with the Tribune Co.? While the NYTimes endorses Rell for Gov. and Lamont for Senate, it’s sister newspaper, the Hartford Courant does a reverse of tactics here in CT with endorsements of Destefano and Lieberman:
http://www.courant.com/news/op…..editorials .
But instead of re-evaluating his own positions, Mr. Lieberman blamed his constituents for failing to notice that he had offered some negative comments about the conduct of the war .. .
“Blame” is a nice soft word here. Harranging us is more like it though.
Blue troops, please come to CT. I just caught a glimpse of an ugly headline: Bloomberg sends troops to CT or something like that. Do not let us CT dems be balkinized, please!
so how does joe maintain such high ratings, with all thus?
thanks to all who are working their asses off to get this ass (joe) off the national radar
Too bad Lamont is going to lose, a fact I never see published on this lame blog.
You claim to be in touch with reality, but in reality you are wasting time on a LOSER.