Jeebus Wes Clark doesn't like Joe Lieberman.
Nice to see someone with guts who isn't intimidated by No Show Joe's petulant threats against the Democratic party. I'm feeling pretty Clarkie today.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden claims that it's "a matter of personal honor" that he not campaign against Lieberman.
Well, that and the fact that nobody asked.
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I won’t support Biden, either. Matter of personal honor.
Wes Clark!
Wes would be a brilliant Secretary of Defense. I’m not sure about him as President,but I like the guy,he’s good people.
i haven’t been much of a clarkie… but actions like this are the way to win me over!
Ned’s ads are getting better, sharper, more effective. Right on message. They should get lots of play.
I always liked Clark….so I am a Clarkie!
An Angry Old Broad @ 2
secretary of defense! oh, from your keyboard to…. well, to where ever these things are decided.
Joe Biden is a poster boy for crackpot centrist Democrats. There are others I could name, but it’s Saturday so I’m not as cranky as usual and I’ll stop there.
So far I have not got any response from Obama asking him if he was truly a progressive and why he didn’t show some support for Lamont.
Sigh!
Wes Clark stands with Lamont. It makes a difference to me. Just saying….
If we pull this off this November, ie win a house, we owe Wes Clark big time. He did everything he possibly could to help us.
An Angry Old Broad @ 2
Right now, Clark would be my first choice. If Al Gore got into the mix, then Clark would be my second choice.
Not just Sec of Def, Clark would be a good SoS as well, considering his demonstrated skills in dealing with NATO allies.
chris @ 8
I can’t think of anything that suggests that Obama is a progressive in any way, except possibly convenience.
Bankrupty Joe’s gonna wear out his “matter of personal honor” as his longtime friends desert him. The dude is toxic — who would WANT him to campaign for them?
And was it so “personally honorable” to miss the plane to Connecticut to campaign for his dear friend RGJoe during the primary? I think Senator Bidet doth protest too much about his honor.
GO WES!
GO NED!
I’m a Clarkie too Franco.
I once saw a Biden For President 2008 bumper sticker. Seriously. It is a strange and unusual thing to behold – sort of like sighting an ivory-billed woodpecker.
Clark’s personable (unlike Kerry), doesn’t have baggage (that we know about…)(unlike Hillary), has balls (unlike the entire DLC), isn’t too slick (like Edwards), doesn’t have a record of folding when the heat’s on (like Gore). Feingold was looking good, but his absence in Conn. is disheartening.
Clark will pose a threat to the GOPervs like Dean did, so expect to hear media concern that he’s not a viable candidate.
The more I hear the MSM tell me a “candidate X” is not viable, the better I like the odds.
Biden’s a blowhard.
(Re: Marc Dann — GO DANN!)
With regard to Biden, I’m inclined to echo Billmon’s recent quoting of Emerson in response to Rumsfeld:
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.”
Tell Joe Biden just to send his hair.
Hey, I’m on a roll today. More lyrics. This is to the tune of “Bye, Bye Love” by the Everly Brothers:
Bye Bye Joe
Bye, bye Joe
Bye, bye Republicrats
Hello real Democrats
It’s time to make things right,
So bye bye Joe, good bye.
November 7th,
try something new.
We’ll make a difference.
A change is due.
If we work together
we can push through
We’ll turn Connecticut
a deeper blue.
(Bye, bye Joe
Bye, bye Lobbyists
Hello, Common Sense
The future will be bright
So bye, bye Joe, goodbye.)
We’re through with George Bush
We’re through with war
We’re through with laws that
punish the poor,
And who’s the candidate we want?
Not Holy Joe, but Ned Lamont!
(Bye, bye Joe…)
*xyz @ 15
LOL!
I very much like Wes (and Gert).
He’s a man much like Webb. An independent thinker with a wealth of experience and an understanding of war and peace.
The impression here, is that Clark would have a darn good chance of being elected the next president of the United States. Though I do like Gore. And Feingold is okay too.
I am thinking that General Clark would really give McCain, or for that matter any Republican, a good run for the money. And would win the presidency. Hands down.
Senator Joe Biden makes no sense:
Of course, the “Joe” he’s referring to is Joe Simmons, candidate in Vermont. If you apply the logic to Joe Lieberman and Ned, then it’s clear that Joe Biden is saying that electing Joe Lieberman would be sending the country down a rathole.
I don’t criticize him for honoring his lifelong friendship, but a real friend tell his friends when they’re wrong and hurting the country. Friends don’t let friends drive their country into a ditch.
Wes Clark learned about diplomacy when he was the head of NATO in Europe. That’s quite a bit better than talking to his chainsaw when clearing brush.
So, because Biden’s daughter-in-law was the matron of honor at Lieberman’s son’s wedding, he can’t campaign for the Democratic Nominee.
Never a bride, Biden. The two Joey’s are as thick as each other’s heads.
two beers @ 16
And he’s a science geek! His appearance on the science panel at YKos, showing a strong understanding of the role of science in our society and economy, and pulling no punches with the anti-science fundamentalists, really sold me.
Biden is a blowhard. He doesn’t stand a chance in the primaries…Let’s all be VERY thankful for that one.
Hi, angie! I met your sister and her family at the rally, and they were very nice.
Patrons of dishonor.
Discarding the DLC upon winning back the Congress next month and the presidency in 2008, should one of the primary goals of Democrats. The DLC is anti-Democratic, anti-labor and pro-Iraq War, and extremely distasteful.
chris @ 8
just in the interest of fairness: Obama did send out an email in support of Lamont….to 250 people. and a five thousand dollar donation. He’s been busy writing a speech about how Democratic partisanship is resonsible for the torture bill, I guess. Joe Klein says it’s home run, and David Broder agrees!
Personally, I think Lamont needed (needs?) a succession of sitting Senators to campaign for him, be on the local news, etc. And if any Hillary people are lurking:
We all remember that Bill promised to campaign for the winner of the Democratic primary. He may have forgetten that promise. We will not.
Also, Hillary from what I hear has done nothing to promote Lamont among her own CT supporters.
Clark is absolutely the real deal. He is now my first choice for president in 2008.
To Hell with Biden and Bloomberg…as a matter of personal honor.
I communicate with Frank quite a bit, I hope this is of interest here.
JAMES WEBB
By Frank Schaeffer
We live in a country filled with nasty morons. Some of them are calling themselves
Republicans. Here’s proof. I just got this email circulated—along with others
like it—by supporters of the George Allen for Senate campaign in Virginia:
“Pedophiles have no business doing what they are doing, let alone being in office.
First it was the Catholic priests, then it was Mark Foley, and now Jim Webb,
whose sleazy novels discuss sex between very young teenagers and oral sex between
a man and a boy. . . . Hmmm, sounds like a perverted pedophile to me! By the
way, he is running for a Senate position in Virginia. Pass the word that we do
not need any more pedophiles in office…”
Who is James Webb? He’s a war hero and former-Marine wounded in Vietnam and winner
of the Navy Cross. He was writing about class and the military issues long before
me—ideas I’ve revisited in my book “AWOL-The Unexcused Absence of America’s
Upper Classes From Military Service and How It Huts Our Country” (co-authored
with Kathy Roth Douquet). Webb articulated the issue of how the elites have dropped
the ball on military service better than I have in his classic novel “Fields
of Fire,” a book Tom Wolf calls “the greatest of the Vietnam novels.”
Webb’s son is a Marine in Iraq defending us while other political leader’s children
are doing what 99.99% of the leadership class is doing: acting as if it is only
right and proper that it is always someone else’s war. Webb also happens to be
running against a desperate opponent supported by people like the twit who circulated
the stupid email, something that reminds me of the smear campaign aimed at another
war hero back in 2000: John McCain.
As the father of a Marine who served in the same war Webb’s son is fighting in
now, as a novelist who writes books that have sex and violence in them—most
recently “BABY JACK” a novel about the Marine Corps and redemption through sacrifice
of the very kind Webb and McCain made for our country—and as a believing Christian,
the idiotic email really got to me.
Just for the record, I never served in the military. It was my son’s unexpected
volunteering that connected me to the military family and to my country in a
new way. And I’ve been mostly voting Republican for years. My late father—Dr.
Francis Schaeffer—was a famous evangelical theologian, friend to Jerry Falwell
and Dr. Dobson, and guest of Ronald Reagan in the White House as he was of Gerald
Ford and President Bush # 1. I have nice handwritten letters from various members
of the Bush family, including Barbara, President Bush # 1 and President Bush
# 2, thanking me for my books like “Keeping Faith A Father-Son Story About Love
and the United States Marine Corps,” a book Laura Bush quoted on Meet The Press
just before Christmas of 2002 helping to make it into a bestseller.
I have every reason to keep my head down and stay in the Republican’s good books.
It’s nice to be quoted by the First Lady. But enough is enough. The Republican
smear machine did this to John McCain and now they are doing it to James Webb.
I’ve had it!
For a start, the email quoted above is the embodiment of flabbergasting idiocy.
And the cynical Allen strategists (some of whom must know the difference between
fiction and non-fiction!) who put this drivel out surely know better. Was Agatha
Christie a “murderer” because she wrote about murder?
The Allen camp must be counting on the manufactured “outrage” of the sort some
fundamentalist Christians specialize in for political purposes. So it’s worth
noting that according to the Allen camp’s logic, God is a “pedophile” too!
We Christians believe God inspired the Bible. And God-the-author chose to include
the “sleazy” story about Lot offering to send out his young underage virgin daughters
to be raped by the men of Sodom. God included a story about Noah’s young sons
looking upon their father’s nakedness. The Bible has masturbation scenes, rape,
pedophilia, and God’s favorite human—King David—warms himself with a young
virgin in his old age. And King David’s the same man God-the-author tells us
committed murder after he indulged his peeping Tom fantasies.
Lucky for God He’s not running against George Allen! God’s writing would catch
up with Him!
I just got back from a visit to Parris Island where I was giving a talk to young
newly-graduated Marines and their parents. I was struck again—as I was on the
proud day of my son’s boot camp graduation as a Marine in 1999—by the moral
credibility of the drill instructors and selflessness of the recruits. Our political
leaders should learn from them. In fact our future leaders should BE them!
Not too long ago those seeking positions of national leadership had to pay their
dues in a way that showed that they were about more than striving for power,
privilege and position. Today most would-be national leaders put themselves forward
with no service record. And even less have children standing shoulder-to-shoulder
with our troops.
The concept of leading from the front has been lost along with the idea that
military service to our country is a rite of passage. The Barack Obama-for-President-in-2008
media frenzy illustrates this loss.
Obama is clever, decent, kind, funny, and photogenic. He’s on a book tour. He
never served, but he was on Oprah. And he is seriously considering a run to be
elected Commander in Chief in wartime. Go figure. Apparently the Democrats are
as desperate as the Republicans these days.
Military service is one of the only unambiguous, unglamorous, unselfish ways
a man or woman can declare themselves for the common good that is beyond question.
And the military unlike, say, the Ivy League, or big time American religion,
or politics, teaches people to value the person standing next to them more than
themselves.
However you look at the war in Iraq and whatever your views, one thing is certain:
we are in a long war there—and worldwide against Islamist terror—and so we’ll
be choosing wartime leaders in this election and in 2008 and beyond.
We need to compare today’s would-be wartime leaders to those of the past who
earned credibility beyond the reach of cynicism and irony, for instance to Franklin
Roosevelt who led a military in which his children were all serving. Eleanor
Roosevelt wrote in her diary that FDR would have been ashamed to do otherwise.
I hope we wake up to the fact that serious times require serious leadership,
even serious voters who can move beyond party politics-as-usual. People like
John McCain—who is “for” the war in Iraq—and James Webb–who is “against”
the war—should be respected no matter what one’s politics or ideas about the
war. Why? Because they paid their dues and moreover they both have young sons
who are Marines, in Webb’s case at war, in McCain’s case, in boot camp and probably
a matter of months from combat.
We desperately need leaders who can look the American people—and especially
we the military family—in the face and call for sacrifice. And they can’t do
that credibly unless they have shared that sacrifice or their children are standing
with ours.
Personally my wife and I have reached the tipping point. We plan to go to town
hall to dump our Republican voter registration and re-register as independents.
I don’t care any more what party someone is in. I don’t care if they are “correct”
on all “my” issues. (There is plenty I could be wrong about.) These days what
I care about is if they have paid their dues.
Wartime demands leaders who have earned the respect granted only those willing
to shed their blood, sweat and tears on the behalf of others or that, like FDR,
who have “skin in the game.” It’s about character and moral authority. The people
smearing James Webb prove they have neither.
_________________________________________
_________________________________________
Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of “BABY JACK” a novel about Marines.
He may be contacted at frankschaeffer.com
“BABY JACK” is available from Amazon at:
http://www.amazon.com/Baby-Jac…..mp;s=books
I interact a lot with right-wingers down here in the Redneck Belt, and the two candidates they seem most afeared of in 2008 are Feingold and Clark. They lust longingly for Hilary to get the nomination, but they get really nervous at the thought of Clark. Clark would likely play better in the south than Feingold. I like Feingold a lot, but I’ve got to say, Clark has been more visible working for candidates in 2006, which counts for a lot.
Redshift @ 27
I am one lucky person Redshift and I thank you very much for your kind words. I heard that Webb and the rally was great and very well attended. They were very pumped!
Go Webb!
Just read Clark’s C-V on Wiki. Wow!! Since Bush is going to leave the Iraq mess to the next Pres., Clark looks like the right person. If not pres. how about running agaist Mark Pryor on ‘08?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
I am hoping that it will be demonstrably, unavoidably obvious that progressive, Blue America-style candidates outperform DLC candidates this election, so that the Democratic establishment can no longer say, “Well, yeah, the DLC may be anathema to every principle that our party is supposed to stand for, but dammit, they win elections!”
Of course, 2002 & 2004 should have put that idea to rest already, but what can ya do.
I just don’t understand what is wrong with Connecticut Democrats. According to the latest polls, fully 67% of all registered voters dissapprove of Lieberman’s master and puppeteer Bush. And Lamont still trails far behind Lieberman. There is no way that Lieberman would be ahead in this race without strong Democratic support in a two way race and this race has Schlesinger taking some Republican votes from Holy Joe. Somebody needs to draw a picture for the Dems of Connecticut. JOE LIEBERMAN IS NOT A DEMOCRAT ANYMORE!
Best post-primary ad for Ned so far. Thanks to Gen. Clark for stepping up.
Ned should pull all of his other cutesy spots (including the fakey bad actor old people mouthing bogus copywriter b.s.) and run this till the money runs out.
Then he should borrow more money and run it till the clock runs out.
(unless, of course, some other marquee-name Dem steps forward. I mean you, Bill, Barak, Hilary, Russ, John, etc.)
Redshift @ 1:19 pm (#25)
Clark’s stock is rising here at Casa Cujo. His lack of real experience in government as an elected official is my main concern.
Redshift @ 25
well, i’m a clarkie for the day…. but tomorrow i will remember that he has no democratic/representative governing experience – and i’m very hesitant to feel comfortable without some track record of governing and policy actions to judge. and our culture is already so overly militarized, i’d prefer to look elsewhere for my president.
but, that’s all for tomorrow. for today….
GO WES!!!!
I thought Clark was remarkably free of animus. I saw whittled-down, plain-spoken fact, bare bones sans hyperbole.
OT….BWAAAHHAHAHAHA Marty Kaplan calls Mary the heifer Cheney the new “Queen of Mean”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..32664.html
Thanks raven for sharing that at 33. I am thoroughly behind Webb and I think that most thinking people are.
OOOPPPS bad me, I meant Lynn Cheney!
sorry
Wes Clark comes across as a thoughtful, logical man who clearly knows the difference between what’s been going on and what needs to be done.
We couldn’t have asked for a better endorsement than that. Obama can go screw for all I care. Clark sounds like a statesman.
And somebody PLEASE parody the new Lieberman song; it’s linked on my Joe’s Blog mirror site.
http://joe2006blog.com
cleter @ 34
I like Clark. And a Democrat with military credentials would be a good thing in the years ahead, I suspect.
Michael Markman,
Absolutely.
Do you have any data on that?
Do you know what the CT polls are saying wrt that demographic?
Do you have a better way to go after Lieberman4Lieberman on Social Security and that demographic? I’d like to hear your suggestions for copy,….
Obviously, not everyone in CT, reads FDL. Just because an ad doesn’t work for “us,” doesn’t necessarily mean it won’t work for the campaign.
And somebody PLEASE parody the new Lieberman song; it’s linked on my Joe’s Blog mirror site.
This looks like a job for me!
Bob, I believe this piece of dreck deserves its very own late nite post.
Gore/Clark ‘08
TRex @
19
Methinks SOMEONE is slyly auditioning to be a singer for a certain “political band” that is starting a short tour soon…
Couldn’t happen to a lovelier Ingenue…
Or, is that Chanteuse?
Clark is very plain spoken and looks you straight in the eye when talking or listening to you.
No BS.
(he’s also easy on the eyes :0)
So, Biden won’t campaign *against* Lieberman, but he’s not willing to give him a plug either?
Have been a devoted Clarkie for 3-1/2 years now.
As a matter of fact, I just saw him last night – he was the keynote speaker at the Annual J-J Dinner in my town, Santa Barbara. And he ROCKED!
Didn’t talk about Lieberweenie last night – but boy did he lay some deadly punches on republicans and JOHN MC CAIN! About all kinds of stuff but particularly his “torture compromise,” his complete capitulation on habeas corpus and his “wrong” assessment that we should put more troops into Iraq. Wes was WICKED GOOD!
In case you didn’t know, Wes says McCain is a sell-out – COMPLETE SELL-OUT. He’s been saying that since ‘04 that I’m aware of – pretty much waaaaaay before anyone else was.
Wes doesn’t like or trust McCain or Lieberman – the man has good judgment!
And he’s not saying anything about it, but I get the distinct feeling he’s running in ‘08!
Wes Clark for POTUS!
MargaretPOA @ 51
i could live with that…. and it gives wes 8 years of gov experience…he’s got time…
I know but doesn’t it drive you nuts. We sit here and pledge to move the Democratic Party to a more progressive position but know that it is important to support someone who is far from progressive!
angie @
44
Go Wes! Go Ned!
After much hemming and hawing, I decided yesterday I could send $5 to ActBlue (in my current life situation that’s a big amount, embarassingly enough), and I made sure that one o’ them greenbacks went to Lamont’s account.
I kinda like the old people ad.
I like teh Stay the course ad too, but I think it could be trimmed to thiry seconds.
Eli @ 54
well, those plugs were expensive…. they’ve grown in nice tho
Franco @ 42
I think Marty was talking about Lynne Cheney, following her appearance with Wolf Blitzer.
Jim @ 59
Meh. As a general rule, I really do not like ads with obviously fake “real people”.
Unfortunately that “baggage” his rightful opposition to the Vietnam War might have been an advantage in the last election if he had shown the same commitment instead of trying to nuance the deal with his “reporting for duty” bullshit.
two beers @
16
Clark may actually be a genuine uniter. This man could very well prove to be the Democratic version of “I like Ike”. Another beloved General. Perhaps, keep in mind that both Republicans AND Democrats courted General Eisenhower for the presidency. It’s not too early for us to rally around a potential new president. I can almost see it now.’Vote Clark: he decides’.
angie @ 44
Reminds me of a quote:
During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to him, “You have the vote of every thinking person!” Stevenson called back, “That’s not enough, madam, we need a majority!”
scarecrow @ 61
What is it with these tough-talking neo-cons that hide behind their wives every time there’s any media questioning their motives? Clusterfuck sends Pickles out to campaign for him, now BigTime sends his Harpy of a wife out to complain about how mean everyone is to dick.
Pussies.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
I don’t think Clark is really a “beloved general” like Ike – I think most people still don’t know who he is. Only living general I can think of who might fit that description would be Schwarzkopf, and *maybe* Powell, but I think Powell has pretty well fucked his legacy by this point.
selise @
56
Speaking of Al Gore, what’s he up to in the final ten days?
raven @ 57
raven– I have been thinking about this a lot. I want independent, thinking politicians who know real stuff (lives of the regular american people, war, peace, healthcare, law, law enforcement, national and international security, diplomacy, commerce, etc) and are not lock- step incumbents.
Jim Webb is an evolving human being and a smart man. I want the money out of politics and actually most of the politics out of politics. If we do those things, we can vote out anyone who does not perform and uphold his/her oath of office.
Jacqrat @ 65
Almost all of Cheney’s and Bush’s “public” appearances have been before carefully controlled and/or favorable audiences — pre-screened campaign events, US military, VFW events, etc. These people cannot face the general public.
I’m with you but like Jim Webb, I have never changed my opinion about Vietnam (almost no one has) and it’s a hard pill to swallow.I did point out that his books were written when he was a Republican so maybe he has evolved some anyway!
angie @ 69
Eli @ 67
But he could perhaps become that. Once people get a ‘feel’ for him. I for one, think this is a G.I. who has charisma, brains, and warmth, among other attributes.
Jacqrat @ 66
Their wives are a helluva lot more popular.
TRex @ 50
Well, I was kind of hoping you’d take the hint! :)
Mr. K8 and I voted for Wesley Clark in the Dem primary back in 2004. We knew he wouldn’t get the nomination then — but still wanted him to know that he had support here in AZ.
In the meantime, he’s gotten quite polished. All those times he went to bat for Dems (sincerely, not in a faux way) on Faux Snooze taught him how to be quick on his feet.
And his support of progressive candidates is certainly heartwarming and encouraging. He’s got a bright future in politics, whether as presidential candidate (we hope) or senatorial candidate.
Love this article by Tom Tomorrow:
How Joe Went Wrong
Compared to Joe Biden, John Kerry is laconic.
Clark’s a bright guy- and I like what I see of him. The transition from general to president usually comes during war time- or at time of great fear- so paradoxically- Clark’s best chance comes if Iraq is still a bloody mess in 2008.
It’s possible that there will be a bi-partisan plan for phased withdrawal by then- we’ll see.
Last poll I saw was 10/26/06 on msnbc.com showing Webb beating Allen 47-44.
Clark has a master’s in econ, which might come in handy….. did anyone catch this?:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..er=economy
Last quarter growth revised down to .9% from 1.6%. Recession first quarter ‘07?
Woops, the bad news snuck out BEFORE the election. Sorry, Preznit.
I’m laying in popcorn for Monday.
Wes Clarke was my candidate on 04, and unless he doesnt run or do something horrifically awful or weird, he will be mine again in 08. This highly articulate, very intelligent,down to earth, middle american, military leader has done more to support “progressive” candidates than any other leading Dem – Edwards and Kerry included. What I think is most interesting is that despite Clarkes’ forceful and fearless campaigning for progressive Dems, he has not been branded a wild-eyed fringe lefty by the MSM like they have done with Pelosi (who has not been that supportive of the progressive side of the party). Because he has both gravitas and guts I think the media Kewl Kidz are a bit intimidated by the General, which, at present, is a good thing….. Did I say he was my candidate in 04?
bookwoman @ 76
This one, The Republican war on human decency, is very good as well.
Raven@71.. Webb is no liberal but after reading “Lost Soldiers” a couple of weeks ago, and even though it is fiction, the author came across a caring and decent human being. I also agree with Angie that he seems to be evolving as a politician.
I’ll stop.
Steve @ 83
from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark
Just like the chimp’s bio, eh?
Steve @ 83
Meanwhile, Senator Macaca is devolving.
Are we not Devo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_DXa3rFyUU
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 86
angie @
85
Clark is fluent in four languages.
Bush isn’t even fluent in one.
Usually, by the time the Florida presidential primary comes around, there’s a more or less unstoppable front-runner and a couple of shambling semi-animate corpses who haven’t had the sense to drop out yet. If Clark ain’t been smote by the Hillary war-chest by then, I would seriously consider voting for him. I admire his ability to speak in actual sentences.
“Just like the chimp’s bio, eh?”
Seems I read somewhere that Georgies graduation from kindergarten was in reality, little more than a “social promotion”.
During the 2004 primary season, the early (I think second) debate among the Democratic candidates that took place in Iowa had Lieberman challenging Clark for being a “Republican”. How ironic that Lieberman should accuse any Democrat of being a Republican. I was a Clark supporter and was very rankled by Lieberman’s comment. I have never forgotten it or forgiven Lieberman, and it seems Clark has not forgotten either.
By “shambling semi-animate corpses who haven’t had the sense to drop out yet,” I mean you, Joe Biden. You’ll be one of the walking undead by Iowa. And it will be only the frosty snows of New Hampshire that will keep your decaying corpse from stinking. By the Florida primary, you’ll be all bloated and gross. Just like in 1988. I suspect a similar, though more protracted fate awaits Hillary. She’ll be a mound of cash unencumbered by actual primary voters.
Raven@74.. don’t stop.
The “honor” Biden refers to is the code of relationship based tit-for-tat, the rules of reciprocity, that bind the Senate together.
That is what Biden sees as his constituency, and what Lieberman sees as his entitlement.
I love the Clark ad. Is it running on CT tv or just on the web right now?
Regarding the blacklisting by NBC of the new Dixie Cicks movie:
Harvey Weinstein, whose production company releases the film nationwide on November 10th, made the following statement: “It’s a sad commentary about the level of fear in our society that a movie about a group of courageous entertainers who were blacklisted for exercising their right of free speech is now itself being blacklisted by corporate America. The idea that anyone should be penalized for criticizing the president is sad and profoundly un-American.”
Go Harvey!!!
This could well be the topic of tomorrow’s talking heads:
BAGHDAD, Iraq – After a hastily arranged video conference with
George Bush,
Iraq’s prime minister said Saturday that the U.S. president promised to move swiftly to turn over full control of the Iraqi army to the Baghdad government. A close aide to Nouri al-Maliki said later the prime minister was intentionally playing on U.S. voter displeasure with the war to strengthen his hand with Washington.
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Hassan al-Suneid, a member of al-Maliki’s inner circle, said the video conference was sought because issues needed airing at a higher level than with U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad.
Al-Suneid said the prime minister complained to Bush that Khalilzad, an Afghan-born Sunni Muslim, was treating the Shiite al-Maliki imperiously.
“The U.S. ambassador is not (L. Paul) Bremer (the former U.S. administrator in Iraq). He does not have a free rein to do what he likes. Khalilzad must not behave like Bremer but rather like an ambassador,” al-Suneid quoted al-Maliki as saying.
Aide: Iraqi leader playing on US angst
I thought Little Boots was bilingual — equally incoherent in two languages.
Speaking of which, did anyone get a gander at the transcript of Georgie talkin’ wit his homies at the WH? [the r.w. columnists who shill for him still] There’s a lengthy transcript at USNews&World here:
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..script.htm
I started looking at it expecting to see the usual inanities, but instead it turned out to be positively JAW-DROPPING. And I didn’t think his incoherence could shock me any more.
This transcript is clear evidence of very serious neurological damage, IMO. Here he is talking to a bunch of media “pals” who he knows like him a lot, not an audience of folks who are skeptical of every word, which might make the moron nervous. The incoherence is much, much worse that even I would have anticipated at this late date.
It seems to me possible that a neurologist who specializes in linguistic problems and the brain just MIGHT be able to tell from this quite lengthy sample just what’s wrong clinically. (Although he/she would probably be quiet about it, since it’s not cool to “diagnose” that way.) The neurologist I knew who fit that category (who had me translate some German transcripts of patient interviews revealing which part of the brain was responsible for which grammatical structures) has moved elsewhere, and I don’t know where to find her. Otherwise I’d be sorely tempted to pass this transcript along for comment.
Biden has been a stooge for the NeoCons…peddling their Iraq war from Day One. He won’t support Lamont because he does not want to offend the NeoCons. I guess he’s hoping they will get behind him when he runs for President. He’s a useless scumbag.
Pach, your comment, yesterday about “low information voters,” really clarified things in CT for me.
Also, congrats on getting “front-paged” at Kos.
Oh, I forgot to mention — if you DO look at the babbling Bush transcript, the first page or 2 (the whole thing is available at the site only in short-page bites of the rotten apple) seems semi-normal.
The farther you go along the more it unravels completely.
I thought Little Boots was bilingual — equally incoherent in two languages.
LMAO.
raven @ 63
For me, that has to rank as the most cringe-worthy moment of his campaign.
Clark sold me in 2004 when he had a comprehensive plan for the future, and the future wasn’t the next year but the next ten years.
I keep picking Clark in Kos’s presidential poll. He’s my man.
AP story cont. What we seem to have here is the reverse (surprise) of what the WH is telling us. Instead of Bush telling Maliki what the Iraqi’s must do, it appears that Maliki is telling Bush what the US must do. The rightwingnuts will go crazy over the Iraqi govt pushing Bush around — but that’s what happens to a weakened President with no credibility.
Clear out the hen house; the chickens are coming home to roost.
Can’t resist giving a teensy sample. Here’s a whole so-called “sentence” –
“Other parts of the world, and some here – and I’m not casting dispersion, I’m just giving you a sense – I’m telling you what’s on my mind.”
IMO, Dems need to start stating the obvious, “the nation of Iraq is gone.” It’s a tribal battle now over control of oil profits. The geopolitical questions now are about how to keep the entire ME from sliding into civil war.
My guess is right now, the pluralism within Iraqi Sunni, Shiite, and Kurdish communities is fast disappearing (being murdered). In each community, the most violent factions are “winning” (to use Clusterfuck’s favorite word) over less violent factions. That atrocity reverberates throughout the ME.
Mrs. K8 @
106
Do you think his audience noticed?
Here’s another little bit:
And we’re pretty successful. We have upheld doctrine. And we take threats – the doctrine is “if you harbor” – and we upheld that doctrine, of course, in Afghanistan. And then we’re taking these – we’re dealing with threats.
Ok, I’ll stop now. The link is there if anyone wants to scare the bejeebers out of themselves regarding the cognitive abilities of the “leader of the free world.” Have to go do therapy in the pool anyways. See y’all soon.
Mrs. K8 @ 109
Wow, his approach to sentences is much like his approach to invasions and occupations.
Yea, and wait until the Kurds try for independence. The balloon will really go up with Turkey, Syria and Iran.
John Casper @ 107
from tim tagaris’ diary over at dkos:
scarecrow @ 109
That transcript page has a link on the right to one of the columnist dimwits’ reflections on what the Brain-Damaged-in-Chief had to say — Michael Barone was the guy.
Those comments were almost scarier — “insightful, well-stated arguments” etc. I think he even said Bush’s remarks were “coherent,” but I’m not sure — and I won’t go back and look just now, it made me so sick the first time I looked.
No wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.
Mrs. K8 @ 113
You know, it shouldn’t even be noteworthy that the President Of The United States Of America is “coherent”.
Mrs. K8 @ 106
How about Larry Kudlow he’s there, and he is the MSNBC supply-side neocon hack. After 9/11, he used his business show with Jim Kraemer to pimp the Iraq war as good for the economy, blowing it out his ass like he knew what he was talking about.
Apparently, he’s “Kuds” to Bush, and he wants to know if we should “subvert” Syria for sending all those terrorists across the border.
These guys just don’t quit, do they?
Oh lord,Mrs. K8,that is way freaking scary. Something has to be physically wrong with him. Well,that and I think he’s just simply in WAY over his head and trying to fake it through as much as possible.
selise @ 112
that’s pretty interesting. they are basically calling out Obama, Edwards and Clinton
I’d like to see the text of the DSCC email sent to CT voters… I hope to see something strongly worded.
UptownNYChick @ 117
sounds like it. … but i’m a forgiving person… and all if forgiven for anyone who decides to do the right thing this week…
ET asked above about al gore… i wonder if he’s been asked… doesn’t sound like it…. but i wish…
TheOtherWA @
95
Kudo’s to Gen Clark.Very good ad. Maybe a little too rushed.
How is Lieberman keeping a lead in the polls? Lamont’s victory in the primary was pretty convincing with a big turn out.
For some more Clark viewing pleasure, an oldie from 2003.
Watching C-SPAN on NYT editorical writers — Frank Rich, Rosenthal, and two women (Carolyn Curiel is one), the other of whom (Carla Robbins), who says, “I never thought I could be an editorial writer, but after five years of the Bush Administration, I found I have enough rage to do the job.”
The fuse may already have already been lit.
Egypt prepares for Israeli Gaza raid
Saturday 28 October 2006, 23:42 Makka Time, 20:42 GMT
“Egypt has moved an extra 5,000 security personnel to its border with the Gaza Strip after an Israeli newspaper said that Israel might bomb tunnels used for smuggling weapons into the Palestinian territories.”
I like Wes Clark a lot. He’s the kind of leader I can get behind and respect.
selise @ #112
2008: Who’s helped, who hasn’t, who has hurt
I’ve seen the entries, I’ve been part of back-channel discussions on the topic, and I know it’s on a lot of people’s minds. Let me just clear a few things up, and know that I will go into tedious amounts of detail (along with Swan) post-primary. Let me start by saying this has never been about a $5,000 PAC check or high-dollar fundraisers.
John Kerry and Wes Clark have been nothing short of amazing. If you are the type of person keeping score at home, note that please.
Wes and Kerry were on the receiving end of so much of Lieberman’s crap during the debates, etc. in 2003 – they know what a sh*thead he is better than most – I think this is bigtime payback. Not that they’re not completely supporting of Ned and think he’s the guy who should be in the Senate – they definitely do – but they also wanna stick it to Lieberman – an especially satisfying double whammy – just IMO.
Jesus’ General has a photo of Bob Corker’s daughter kissing another young woman.
I think the General summed it up best, at least Corker’s daughter was careful to get the ethnicity of her partner right.
Raw Story also had the photo up.
I like clark alot too. Myself, I am not so much worried about gov’t experience. That’s not a sure thing. But I understand it is for some.
He would be the strong compliment to another candidate. He’d be a strong VP.
Favorite Wes Clark quote: “I’ve been in war; I don’t believe in it.”
The man has about a 160 IQ. He’s got the brains of Bill Clinton without the personal baggage.
He’s a genuine progressive with red state appeal.
Hn introduced the science panel at Yearly Kos and floored everyone with a 20 minute dissertation off the top of his head about the history of science in America.
He has the foreign policy know-how to be just what this country needs in 2008. I don’t care if he’s never held elective office. Eisenhower didn’t either.
new thread: “Geniuses among us”
Where “matter of personal honor” means that MBNA commanded him not to attack the other Senator from MBNA.
I am also a big fan of Wes Clark. I liked him the first time I heard him on CNN calling the Iraq war. He seemed so articulate and intelligent in his observations about the battle.
He is very smart, another Rhode’s scholar. We have never needed that kind of smarts, with military experience, like we do now. I am usually not a fan of the military folks, but he is truly someone who understands the gravity of war and definetly is not a black and white thinker. I have no sense of personality disorder or alcoholism.
He’s a true intellectual.
two beers @
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selise @
41
Well actually, he does have governing experience. A base commander is responsible for everything and everyone in that base, from the welfare of the families to the kid’s schooling to the very pot holes in the street. When he was SACEUR in Belgium he was responsible for 40,000 school children. He and Mrs. Clark worked to change the curriculum and get better funding for the schools.
Kind of like being governor of a small state.
He is eminently more qualified to be President than a Congressperson, imho.
His experience has been acting on the policy rather than just talking about it.
UptownNYChick @
127
Wes Clark almost never has a written speech, but may have jotted a few talking points down.
As far as governing is concerned, as NATO Supreme Commander he certainly got extensive political experience (negotiating Peace Treaties and dealing with political disagreements at the highest levels of our own country’s leadership). Clark has long had real responsibility for many important domestic issues at the many bases he commanded. He initiated improvements in health care, education and other basic needs – and he was beloved for taking good care of his people. Clark even had to make sure the potholes were filled! Over 550,000 people serve under the NATO Supreme Commander, which is like being Governor of a small state. Even better, Clark never treated anyone as “less than.” The military has a high percentage of minorities – and Wes Clark was known for diversity in his promotions and challenging inequalities in the system. He’s a man of principle who has shown his willingness and ability to make change for the better. America desperately needs Clark’s higher standard of leadership.
Ahhh if memory serves, wasn’t biden the guy who had to quit a presidential bid some years ago because it turns out he’s a plagiarist? Thought so. Personal honor indeed!
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Time that the Democratic party had our own Eisenhower: It’s Wesley Clark! I will never forget that he was there on the ground for Ned Lamont when so many other Senate Dems were “washing their hair”. Cowards!
As I’ve written, I’d like to see Bill Clinton give a speech from Arkansas and an Al Gore speaking from Nashville (both shown on C-SPAN).
Also, immediately after, I’d like a fire-breathing speaker, such as Jesse Jackson, mowin’ ‘em down across the South, from Louisiana to Mississippi to Georgia, like General Sherman scorching the ground. This might not convince Southerners to vote Dem, but it could discourage them thoroughly, so they won’t vote at all. You could call it a Get Out The Vote for Democracy Speaking Tour.
As George Allen is going to be tough to stop, the final big speech might have to be Howard Dean speaking in Richmond VA, just as Grant accepted Lee’s surrender.
why did’t the campaign invite Rep. Murtha after he said he would come to campaign for Ned if asked?
I see Howie, but no Jane or Christy listed as contributors to Ned in his FEC filings. Odd.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/can_ind/S6CT05066
DJR @ 104
Actually, he had a plan for the next 100 years.
One thing Clark has over Gore: he definitely won’t be picking Holy Joe as a running mate.
cleter @ 34
Sounds like a Clark/Feingold ticket would play very well in the South.
Reference #34:
I interact a lot with right-wingers down here in the Redneck Belt, and the two candidates they seem most afeared of in 2008 are Feingold and Clark. They lust longingly for Hilary to get the nomination, but they get really nervous at the thought of Clark. Clark would likely play better in the south than Feingold. I like Feingold a lot, but I’ve got to say, Clark has been more visible working for candidates in 2006, which counts for a lot.