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		<title>By: wstoleit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-354097</link>
		<dc:creator>wstoleit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MSNBC’s Joel Seidman needs a better editor.  The penultimate line of his story:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Today’s witness also admitted that there have been no studies conducted on how memory effects past conversations.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It indeed would be interesting if memory could effect [sic] past conversations.  I’m sure Karl Rove believes it can.  He’s constantly trying to change history that way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSNBC’s Joel Seidman needs a better editor.  The penultimate line of his story:</p>
<p>“Today’s witness also admitted that there have been no studies conducted on how memory effects past conversations.”</p>
<p>It indeed would be interesting if memory could effect [sic] past conversations.  I’m sure Karl Rove believes it can.  He’s constantly trying to change history that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Wess</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352836</link>
		<dc:creator>Wess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;quote from WP article - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;  &lt;em&gt;There were several moments when Loftus was completely caught off guard by Fitzgerald, creating some very awkward silences in the courtroom.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of those moments came when Loftus insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald. He then reminded her that he had cross-examined her before, &lt;b&gt;when she was an expert defense witness and he was a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office in New York.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HAHaha…. Oh Dear…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote from WP article &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p>  <em>There were several moments when Loftus was completely caught off guard by Fitzgerald, creating some very awkward silences in the courtroom.</em></p>
<p>One of those moments came when Loftus insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald. He then reminded her that he had cross-examined her before, <b>when she was an expert defense witness and he was a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office in New York.</b></p>
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<p>HAHaha…. Oh Dear…</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352633</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-352511&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pat @                 193              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You didn’t ‘literally pick apart’ anyone. You figuratively did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I love this.  A friend of mine used to make fun of this habit of speech.  He’d illustrate it with&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I ate like a pig.  Literally.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was vegan too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-352511"><em>Pat @                 193              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You didn’t ‘literally pick apart’ anyone. You figuratively did.</p>
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<p>I love this.  A friend of mine used to make fun of this habit of speech.  He’d illustrate it with</p>
<p><i>I ate like a pig.  Literally.</i></p>
<p>He was vegan too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352511</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You didn’t ‘literally pick apart’ anyone. You figuratively did.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn’t ‘literally pick apart’ anyone. You figuratively did.</p>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352497</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read the WaPo account by Leonnig thanks to Froomkin’s link today.  Classic!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gotta love Fitz. I’m looking forward to the details of this one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the WaPo account by Leonnig thanks to Froomkin’s link today.  Classic!</p>
<p>Gotta love Fitz. I’m looking forward to the details of this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Miller</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352288</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-352074&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mickey @ 185 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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Apparently, Fitzgerald picked up on that and took her apart on the stand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mickey, I don’t know all the details about how Loftus’ work on “false memories” may have been misused.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But my impression from the &lt;em&gt;Post&lt;/em&gt; article is that what Fitzgerald nailed her on was overstating a very particular point in her testimony Thursday about jurors’ impressions of witnesses’ memories.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The article also mentioned that he cited what sounded like some contradictory points in some of her work.  But I’m assuming it was in particular about her work on jurors, not about the issues of “recovered memory” produced under hynosis.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-352074"><em>Mickey @ 185 </em></a></p>
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Apparently, Fitzgerald picked up on that and took her apart on the stand.</p>
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<p>Mickey, I don’t know all the details about how Loftus’ work on “false memories” may have been misused.</p>
<p>But my impression from the <em>Post</em> article is that what Fitzgerald nailed her on was overstating a very particular point in her testimony Thursday about jurors’ impressions of witnesses’ memories.</p>
<p>The article also mentioned that he cited what sounded like some contradictory points in some of her work.  But I’m assuming it was in particular about her work on jurors, not about the issues of “recovered memory” produced under hynosis.</p>
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		<title>By: StealthBadger</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352281</link>
		<dc:creator>StealthBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt;.&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, which one of you rabble-rousers is responsible for this sub-entry under &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus&quot;&gt;Elizabeth Loftus at Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Testimony in Scooter Libby Trial&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On Thursday, October 26, 2006, Loftus was called as the first defense witness in a pretrial hearing in the federal perjury case case against &lt;a&gt;I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby&lt;/a&gt;. Under cross-examination by prosecutor &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_J._Fitzgerald&quot;&gt;Patrick J. Fitzgerald&lt;/a&gt;, Loftus struggled to defend the scientific basis of her methodology, amid apparent contradictions between her testimony and her work, and internal contradictions within her work. Loftus also insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald previously: however Fitzgerald reminded her that he had cross-examined her before in another case in which she was an expert defense witness. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus#_note-0&quot;&gt;[1]&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is to snicker, guffaw, and make merry.  ^.^&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Okay, which one of you rabble-rousers is responsible for this sub-entry under <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus">Elizabeth Loftus at Wikipedia</a>?</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Testimony in Scooter Libby Trial</b></p>
<p>On Thursday, October 26, 2006, Loftus was called as the first defense witness in a pretrial hearing in the federal perjury case case against <a>I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby</a>. Under cross-examination by prosecutor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_J._Fitzgerald">Patrick J. Fitzgerald</a>, Loftus struggled to defend the scientific basis of her methodology, amid apparent contradictions between her testimony and her work, and internal contradictions within her work. Loftus also insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald previously: however Fitzgerald reminded her that he had cross-examined her before in another case in which she was an expert defense witness. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Loftus#_note-0">[1]</a></p>
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<p>It is to snicker, guffaw, and make merry.  ^.^</p>
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		<title>By: jinny</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352196</link>
		<dc:creator>jinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-351869&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Urban Pirate @&lt;br /&gt;
                119              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-351862&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @ 112 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT — Hey FirePups, you need to check this out before the algorithms and new articles change the results:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=laura&quot;&gt;http://news.google.com/news?hl.....mp;q=laura&lt;/a&gt; bush   bob woodward&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looks like Pickles has been assigned to bash Woodie, and Moonie Times via UPI is the designated feed, distributing the same story w-i-d-e-l-y.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the hell’s going on that they’ve got Pickles covering this RIGHT NOW???&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Says pickles &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It’s a different war than our country has ever faced. The enemy can make a big show on television like they did for the bloody last month we had in Iraq by blowing themselves up a lot of times along with other people. But our success is not so easy to see. But the fact is that we are succeeding.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incredible line of thinking she has.  So, they blow themselves up to influence our tv coverage and elections?  Ay yi yi.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She’s probably been promised another couple of million on her “severance pay”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-351869"><em>Urban Pirate @<br />
                119              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-351862"><em>Rayne @ 112 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT — Hey FirePups, you need to check this out before the algorithms and new articles change the results:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=laura">http://news.google.com/news?hl&#8230;..mp;q=laura</a> bush   bob woodward&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d</p>
<p>Looks like Pickles has been assigned to bash Woodie, and Moonie Times via UPI is the designated feed, distributing the same story w-i-d-e-l-y.</p>
<p>What the hell’s going on that they’ve got Pickles covering this RIGHT NOW???</p>
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<p>Says pickles </p>
<p>“It’s a different war than our country has ever faced. The enemy can make a big show on television like they did for the bloody last month we had in Iraq by blowing themselves up a lot of times along with other people. But our success is not so easy to see. But the fact is that we are succeeding.”</p>
<p>Incredible line of thinking she has.  So, they blow themselves up to influence our tv coverage and elections?  Ay yi yi.</p>
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<p>She’s probably been promised another couple of million on her “severance pay”.</p>
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		<title>By: powwow500</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/27/memories/#comment-352123</link>
		<dc:creator>powwow500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You don’t know jack-shit about this!  Loftus is a good scientist.  She is also a mensch.  She has done research that shows memory is maleable and at times unreliable.  In the controversy about “recovered memories” her work has supported that of others that shows that memory retrieval by hypnosis and dream work is pure fiction.  She has been a friend to those who have been falsely accused by incest by ridiculous and ill-trained hypnotists, therapists and others.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-351882&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kristinejoy @ 132 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-351872&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mickey @ 122&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And while you’re looking at the transcript, look up Elizabeth F. Loftus. She’s the “False Memory Syndrome” expert who discredits the memories of those claiming childhood sexual abuse. I expect she’s been right a lot, but she’s been way wrong lots of times too. If you read about her, her bias leaps from her words. She quit the American Psychological Association, claiming they’d gotten away from “science.” Fitz helped show that she’s taken a trip away herself. Long overdue for Dr. Loftus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Long overdue…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tell me about it!  I can’t tell you the joy it gives me that Fitz ripped her research.  She also gets a lot of money testifying on the unreliability of eyewitness testimony.  Her ego is has alwasy been larger than her effect sizes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don’t know jack-shit about this!  Loftus is a good scientist.  She is also a mensch.  She has done research that shows memory is maleable and at times unreliable.  In the controversy about “recovered memories” her work has supported that of others that shows that memory retrieval by hypnosis and dream work is pure fiction.  She has been a friend to those who have been falsely accused by incest by ridiculous and ill-trained hypnotists, therapists and others.  </p>
<p><a href="#comment-351882"><em>kristinejoy @ 132 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-351872"><em>Mickey @ 122</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And while you’re looking at the transcript, look up Elizabeth F. Loftus. She’s the “False Memory Syndrome” expert who discredits the memories of those claiming childhood sexual abuse. I expect she’s been right a lot, but she’s been way wrong lots of times too. If you read about her, her bias leaps from her words. She quit the American Psychological Association, claiming they’d gotten away from “science.” Fitz helped show that she’s taken a trip away herself. Long overdue for Dr. Loftus.</p>
<p>Long overdue…</p>
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<p>Tell me about it!  I can’t tell you the joy it gives me that Fitz ripped her research.  She also gets a lot of money testifying on the unreliability of eyewitness testimony.  Her ego is has alwasy been larger than her effect sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Forgive me for not reading comments - at work, again - but had to say, Christy, this news and your wonderful commentary (and great war story about your entomologist cross) have given this recovering lawyer quite a lift.  Can you say schadenfreude?  Having been a legal services attorney, it’s good to be reminded that high-priced doesn’t always mean the best.  And sometimes those high-priced guys make the mistake of underestimating the poor,underpaid non-profit or government lawyer.  Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for not reading comments &#8211; at work, again &#8211; but had to say, Christy, this news and your wonderful commentary (and great war story about your entomologist cross) have given this recovering lawyer quite a lift.  Can you say schadenfreude?  Having been a legal services attorney, it’s good to be reminded that high-priced doesn’t always mean the best.  And sometimes those high-priced guys make the mistake of underestimating the poor,underpaid non-profit or government lawyer.  Thanks!</p>
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