
Oh, for f*&'s sake.
I can't stand Camille Paglia. And why Salon continues to have anything to do with her, I don't know.
But let's back up here, lest you think I am overreacting.
Camille and I go way back. When I was an undergraduate, I read Sexual Personae thinking it was going to give me some keen insights into gender, sexuality, art, and power. Clearly, I was misled. What I found was a deeply overwrought and even more deeply under-researched volume of loosely connected essays that purported to be sober treatises on men, women, and our roles in art and culture, but which were actually one long squeal for attention that basically amounted to a noisy headlong rush to embrace a bunch of sexually charged stereotypes of male and female behavior that would make Antonin Scalia proud.
(You will notice that the rise of Ann Coulter and the eclipse of Camille Paglia were convergent phenomena. One might even hypothesize a causal relationship, but I digress…)
But particularly offensive to me was Miss Paglia's take on gay men.
From "The Dangers of the Gay Agenda" (1998):
Ritual murder and exposure are back in the news: The atrocious beating death of gay college student Matthew Shepard in Wyoming (for which I, as a longtime proponent of capital punishment, of course demand the death penalty) demonstrates once again the dramatic differences between gay men and lesbians — the point of your question.
Completely missing from the major media's avalanche of formulaic liberal outrage was any reference to the gay-male practice of cruising, which is constantly going on with indefatigable energy virtually everywhere in the industrialized world. Rock star George Michael's arrest in a Hollywood public toilet in April this year was quickly suppressed by the major media and given significant coverage in the United States only by the tabloids. Despite the recent turn by some gay male writers toward reexamination of gay hedonism, the issue remains unconfronted by gay organizations and their media supporters, who dismiss or deride Christian conservatives' claim that there is a negative "gay lifestyle."
She then goes on to spout a bunch of hateful crap about how if Matthew Shepard hadn't been out cruising for sex, he'd still be alive. But see, in Paglia's "mind", this is the inherent state of gay men, perpetual and uncontrollable erotic arousal. Her essay on gay men in Sexual Personae was ostensibly in praise of the gay lifestyle, but its conclusion was basically, "I love the gays. They'll fuck in alleys and back-rooms and public parks and just any old place! They live lives of Pure Eros! We can't take that away from them! It's what makes them GAY!!"
Never does she seem to stop to consider that addictive sexual behavior might be one of the ugly effects of oppression and stereotyping. Oh, no, that would be far too Liberal. And besides, it's not like she's judging or anything, right? Hell, she wishes she could be a big old queer and dress up in leather chaps and do poppers in a bondage sling in a back-room orgy at a bar called The Fist. That's what they do, right, Those Gays?
Well, today Salon is running a new interview with the old bag . Here she is on the Foley scandal:
I felt the Democrats were shooting themselves in the foot. I was especially repulsed by the manipulative use of a gay issue for political purposes by my own party. I think it was not only poor judgment but positively evil. Whatever short-term political gain there is, it can only have a negative impact on gay men. When a moralistic, buttoned-up Republican like Foley is revealed to have a secret, seamy gay life, it simply casts all gay men under a shadow and makes people distrust them. Why don't the Democratic strategists see this? These tactics are extremely foolish. Gay men through history have always been more vulnerable to public hysteria than are lesbians, who — unless they're out there parading around in all-leather bull-dyke drag — simply fit more easily into the cultural landscape than do gay men, who generally lead a more adventurous, pickup-oriented sex life.
Gawd, it's like my brother's description of Dean Esmay. Even when she gets it sort of right, she gets it so, so wrong. Exposing the Foley scandal was a bad idea for Democrats because All Gay Men Have Seamy Secret Lives and We Aren't Supposed to Talk About That.
And then guess whose side she takes in the whole thing? Who's the absolute worst you can think of? That's right. Drudge-packer.
The Foley scandal exploded without any proof of a documented sex act — unlike the case of the late congressman Gerry Studds, who had sex with a page and who was literally applauded by fellow Democrats when they refused to vote for his censure. In the Foley case, there was far more ambiguous evidence — suggestive e-mails and instant messages. Matt Drudge, to his great credit, began hitting this issue right off the bat on his Web site and radio show. What does it mean for Democrats to be agitating over Web communications, which in my view fall under the province of free speech? It's a civil liberties issue.
I'm sorry? Miss Paglia? Excuse me? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!
Preying on young people is NOT A CIVIL LIBERTY! I mean, were you actually conscious when you did this interview? Have you been having blurred vision, headaches, or periods of forgetfulness? Do you sometimes hear voices that seem to be coming from outside yourself? Do the things they say frighten you? You may have a serious medical condition called BATSHIT CRAZY! With complications from an related disorder known as DUMB AS A ROCK.
I mean, with friends like Camille Paglia, gay people don't need James Dobson and Anthony Perkins and Fred Phelps. That responsible academic writer and cultural critic Camille Paglia can get us all sent to the gas chambers all by herself. Thanks, Camille!
I gotta tell ya, my life of Pure Eros is kind of letting me down this Fabulous Friday Night. I'm not wearing any leather at all. Just a pair of sweat pants and an old Clinton '92 t-shirt. I'm not going to be having sex with any strangers in any alleys tonight, Camille, or dancing to Madonna on a disco speaker wearing nothing but a miner's helmet and a pair of cut-off short-shorts while my brain fries on Ecstasy, nope, not tonight. Or, like, ever. Does that mean I'm falling down on my duty as a Hot Gay Stud?
Get a clue, woman! But then again, we're talking about a writer who once posited that Madonna's "Express Yourself" video was the apotheosis of two thousand years of western art and culture. We're not exactly talking about a mind like a finely tuned mega-computer. For god's sake shut up, Camille. Every time you open your mouth, I can feel thousands of people simultaneously getting dumber.
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Dab, sent another note from my other email address. See if that one comes though.
Couldn’t agree more, saw an interview with her ages ago; she said she read Drudge/Sludge every day because it was just like “performance art”. WTF? Flat out insane
did not realize she was still alive, actually.
Ms. Paglia isn’t consistent, and just very weird. ‘Nuff said…
I got this up at the end of the last thread but since you all are migrating to this I thought it is worth injecting it again:
Patriotboy at Jesus’ General has an hilarious video up for Corker – Bob Corker ain’t miscegenated http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/
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Camile Paglia is supposed to be a spiritual heir to Harold Bloom but I’ve never seen it. Whereas Bloom adopts a hypothesis in order to crack open preconceptions and look at things from a different light (as in the Book of J where he suggests that the first three books Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus were written by a woman), Paglia delights in drawing attention to herself by throwing out offensive conjecture, like she is some sort of non-PC truthteller.
I’ve always found her to be just another attention whore with no more to offer than Coulter-esque shock jock bs with a few more three syllable words.
I’m not smart enough to figure out what the fuck she’s talking about.
Or maybe I am smart enough not to care.
Adding – thx, TRex for diving into the sometimes chaotic opinions of folks that sometimes influence the ‘mainstream’ but aren’t quite there yet (or don’t deserve to be) themselves.
Oh, I can’t stand her and I am surprized she’s still around. I lived in Philadelphia in the 80’s and 90’s. She was everywhere and never shut up. She didn’t make any sense then and I see she still is illogical. I couldn’t believe she was employed by a university. She reminded me of a two year old being potty trained. She wants grown ups to applaud when she does the most basic no-brainer thing.
She sets women back a century. A muy grande cup of STFU.
Rep. Harold Ford (D) is on Bill Mahr and Bill said “You don’t believe in gay marriage, you believe the ten commandments should be in schoool…..if you were gay, you’d be a Republican”….hehe
You’re right, it’s crap. For one thing, while I’m sure some gay men engage in “cruising,” that subset includes not a single one with whom I’ve been acquainted.
Camille Paglia and Anne Coulter have a casual relationship?
Being employed by a university means zippola!
angelina @ 12
Twisted Martini @ 9
Don’t waste any time trying to figure it out. There’s no there there. She’s a silly, useless pontificator.
EvilDrPuma @ 14
Good grief, I hadn’t even read as far as Paglia’s “thoughts” on La Cage Aux Foley. Excuse me while I find a quart of Lysol and a very long Q-Tip.
Patrick 4/4 @ 15
Doubtful – Anne is a bit too ‘male’ for Cameille’s tastes…
VG – I responded to you but was EPU’d on the previous thread.
Twisted – I’ll send you another email addy.
TRex — and Jane — you are, as always, correct about everything. Paglia is a coulterish figure, who has a repub notion of eros. and thanks, Jane, for sticking up for Bloom, despite his protege, camille.
CocoaBeach @ 4
I never read Drudge, but like many was a daily visitor for years. Only because it was a nice collection of news links to elsewhere, that’s it.
I was flipping through the radio dial on my way back home from the airport one Sunday night a couple of years ago and stumbled across his show. Nothing but 13ish callers and Drudge sounded about 13ish himself. Creepy. Ick
Twisted—my money’s on the latter. Not that I have any money left after responding to what Howie & ET wrote earlier today.
Jane Hamsher @ 8
Here’s a link on
hurricanetropical depression Camille.Is it good? It’s Molly Ivins!
What we have here, fellow citizens, is a crassly egocentric, raving
twit.
OT/ but funny
Repugs calling the police on senior citizens, calling them unruly.
over at eschaton.
I love senior citizens!
Remek @ 19
Hardly. Give Ann a strap-on and jackboots and I think they’d hit it off.
No, wait. Maybe I’m thinking of Andrew Sullivan.
Dear Hot Gay Stud TRex:
I hope you won’t retire this phrase with Ms. Paglia. It’s simply divine, and begs for use on other, future targets as well. Excellent post, although I too thought she was dead.
It takes a very special intellect to carefully analyze data, synthesize a conclusion and then write the exact opposite of what common sense and facts dictate.
Camille (cough, cough) has a cozy career saying the counter-intuitive (read bug-shit crazy) thing, larding it up with classical allusions and blaming everything bad on liberals – which of course must be true because she’s a lesbian, and a lesbian would never ever say something untrue about liberals because the liberals love them some gay.
She’s a grotesque, a side-show freak like the Coulters and Ingrahams (Professional women! In short skirts! Who aren’t feminists!) and the Alan Keyes, Ken Blackwells, Clarence Thomases (Black! Not Democrats!)
This way to the Egress.
GOP consultant cuts ties with Wal-Mart
WASHINGTON – A prominent Republican political consultant severed his ties with Wal-Mart on Friday night, forced to resign in fallout from a controversial political ad in Tennessee’s Senate campaign.
In submitting his resignation, Terry Nelson said Wal-Mart had “come under political pressure from liberal special interest groups” as well as labor unions. “It’s unfortunate that this pressure has had an impact on Wal-Mart.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..e_wal_mart
See ya
Dab,
Something as fucked up as the Democratic party isn’t going to get fixed overnight. I know that seeing how Ned has been pushed aside by the apparatchiks is frustrating for you especially, someone who lives there. Think about where we’ve come from with something like the 50 state strategy, Blue America, independent voices like Firedoglake etc. It took the thugs 30 years to build their machine, we’ve done it in 6.
Soldier: “We cannot defeat the armies of Mordor.”
King Theoden: No, we cannot. But we will meet them in battle nonetheless.”
Keep the faith and pass the ammunition, to steal a line from the Norske Flamethrower!
Twisted – got the email almost immediately.
And right back at you.
Bringing this up from 2 threads down.
Goper’s Lament Video
http://teocawki.blogspot.com
It’s a hoot!
kristinejoy @ 27
Maybe I’m thinking of Andrew Sullivan. NO! WAIT!
dab- I did indeed see your EPU’d comment, and have left one for you on last thread. Took me a while to type, even tho it is relatively brief.
Back in the old days (early70s?), when Camille was still an undergrad at Wesleyan (?), she was know to the New Haveners she occasionally visited as “Crazy Camille.” Sounds not too far off the mark…
where’s the original source for “Cup of Shut the Fuck Up”? I’d like to print that poster out as hi-res as possible-
Love the Frye boots TRex– what size are you—30WWWWW?
OT– Please, for anyone who cares about the Webb race, go and run and post at the wapoo site here!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..p;start=61
Thanks Twisted and VG,
Being on the ground here, I do think it’s very possible that Ned could win this.
I guess it’s just that I’ve always been a big defender of the Dem Party and I feel like the scales have fallen from my eyes.
It’s just very painful. But I do take heart from the way Dean has risen like a Phoenix and is helping to remind the Dem party that it’s about People Power – not about the old boys network.
I just don’t feel very reasonable right now. I’m too angry.
yeah, that Wal-Mart, always bending over for the liberal special interest groups and labor unions…
wtf?
ho-hum just another useful idiot shilling for repugs in hopes of filthy lucre they might throw her way. nothing to see there just keep moving
Patrick 4/4 @ 34
Step away from the dark side. Just because a guy has a beard doesn’t mean he’s a bear.
The constant use of anti-GLBT rhetoric, and the laughable “Be afraid, be very afraid” mailer the Ohio Republican Party sent out reminds me of this quote…
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
– U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
kristinejoy @ 42
Yes, but eventually the beard gets tired of it and divorces him.
Thank god for Molly Ivins.
From the Ohio GOP mailer reminded me of the Lincoln quote:
If you don’t vote, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS will take control of Congress. Their Agenda: Higher Taxes, Hollywood Values, A Haven For Terrorists
dab from CT @ 39
dab- this is exactly why I was for Ned from the get-go, and thought that this was the most important congressional race in the country- because it is a huge challenge to the assumption that good Dems will always knee-jerk voting Dems. I had my time of rage back when Kerry rolled over in Ohio. But, at least this time there is a candidate who we can believe in. MOre to say, but running out of gas.
TeddySanFran @ 40
Wal-Mart is all about Wal-Mart, anything else is disposable ; )
Patrick, is that perfected or duplexed (inside printing joke)
Thank you Twisted Martini– I have been fighting crazies all day on this!
May I puhleeze have one very dry and icy now?
Naw, mebbe a lovely cup o’ chai would be better.
Slimeballs.
ick.
Yes, but eventually the beard gets tired of it and divorces him.
707!
Needs a little trim?
Twisted Martini @ 49
Pluperfect and perplexed.
angie @ 38
Done. Some scary comments over there.
kristinejoy @ 51
Thanks, no. My wife and I both had the day off. Rowrr.
Patrick 4/4 @ 54
The beard. Simmer down, now…
Please be careful, Kristine and Patrick. We don’t want Evil Dr. Puma to get started on a bad trail of puns with this one!
If anyone is getting Repug mailers, check the postage. NY Dems charge Repugs are using non-profit fronts to get cheaper mailings.
4/4 means 4 colors over 4 colors, the number of colors on the side of a page. As I said, and inside printing joke. Double sided printing is called either perfected (printing) or duplexed (copying). And yes I am a geek.
Can you imagine what it must be like to be Camille Paglia’s black friend? “Of course you can sing and dance! All you people can, right?”
Or the Jewish friend who she keeps pumping for financial advice even though he’s a dog groomer?
Or the Chinese American friend who has a Ph.D. in microbiology who Camille asks to do her laundry? “Ancient Chinese Secret, right, Sue?”
I don’t think Camille is ready for the blogosphere. Back in her day it was a lot harder for her critics to get up in her grille and tell her she’s a moron.
Joe obviously won’t listen to us.
From AP:
my screen name and voice is very similar over there but angie was taken; you will find me and I am now exhausted from the poo that was flung at me– thank you UptownNYChick , Twisted Martini and ifthethunderdontgetya.
I love you, FDL’ers and the poo is being FLUNG at alla us. I cannot wait to get back to phone banking!
Onward.
Goodnight FireDogs. And Fuck Fag Haglia, and Fuck Joey Two Times as well.
Who flung poo?
WaPoO comments quickly devolve into poo-flinging. For real impact, I recommend clicking the reporters’ names at the top of the article and letting them know what you think about their amplification of Drudge’s obedience.
My favorite line in the WaPo article:
Translation: We at the WaPo were shopped the story and wouldn’t print it — but now we can thanks to Matt Drudge’s intrepid reportorial skills. Yay, journanimalism!
begs the question,
why is anyone even talking about CP in this century anyways
oh, and on the Foley scandal
you hit it
the offense is stalking YOUNG people,
just waiting for them to pass the age of majority
years ago, the operative description was a troll
nowadays, fdl is the closext i get to ‘gay culture’
i have gay neighbors and co-workers, but they are old family oriented people and all we talk about is our kids, homework and eating habits
^_^
Twisted Martini @ 58
I didn’t catch it referred to the 4/4. The duplexed i got.
It actually was a spur of the moment thing when just plain Patrick confused me with PatrickRex. His drumming made me think of time signatures and i went with the simplest one.
I think Joe’s theme “A good man is hard to find.” is a challenge to come up with some funny retorts. I still think if you get people laughing at the guy, it makes it hard to vote for him.
Twisted Martini @ 63
Teehee…registration process cause me to near double post.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 67
That might be Fag Haglia’s Chinese friend…
From Ivins on Paglia:
Tracing Paglia’s intellectual ancestry is a telling exercise; she’s
the lineal descendant of Ayn Rand, who in turn was a student of
William Graham Sumner, one of the early American sociologists and an
enormously successful popularzier of social Darwinism. Sumner was in
turn a disciple of Herbert Spencer, that splendid nineteenth-century
kook. Because Paglia reasserts ideas so ingrained in our thinking, she
has become popular by reaffirming common prejudices.
I’m telling you. Once Ann Coulter came along, Paglia was redundant.
I wish I had the reference handy, but in one of Molly Ivins’ books is reprint of a review Miss Molly did of one of Paglia’s books. The first and last sentence are the same, and in between is an artful explanation of the first that leads ineluctably to the last. That repeated sentence is
“Sheesh, what an asshole!”
I really hate to be OT, but is anybody watching Letterman? He’s having an Olberman/Colbert moment, handing O’Reilly his ass even as I post.
I loathe Camille Paglia too, so I’ll come back and enjoy the TRexitude later.
In all fairness to Paglia’s point, I think that, given a choice, all gay men should opt for cruising for sex over reading an interview with Camille Paglia.
A hard man is good to find.
Diamond Jim @ 72
a recap of the slap down.
Jim @ 71
It’s here.
Paglia’s ideas about gay men remind me of Joseph Wambaugh’s The New Centurions. In it, one of the rookie cop characters is working in a vice squad, which in those days spent a lot of time busting gays for public lewdness, etc (the 1960s, in case you were wondering). The more experienced characters explained that gays just had to be flaunting themselves in public and having sex in public places.
For a long time I found it odd that I never met any people like that, knowing that gays were a large enough portion of the male human population that I certainly had met some. It finally dawned on me that the reason Wambaugh felt that all gays were driven to have sex in bathrooms was probably because those were the only ones he met. At least, they were the only ones he knew were gay.
Anyway, Wambaugh had an excuse, which was his job experience and growing up in the fifties. I can’t think what Paglia’s might be.
Okay, I promise to read the whole thread before posting from now on….
Patrick 4/4 says:
October 27th, 2006 at 8:31 pm *
It takes a very special intellect to carefully analyze data, synthesize a conclusion and then write the exact opposite of what common sense and facts dictate.
Camille (cough, cough) has a cozy career saying the counter-intuitive (read bug-shit crazy) thing, larding it up with classical allusions and blaming everything bad on liberals –
ya know, given her ‘counter-intuitive, liberal-hating liberal” schtick, it’s a wonder she’s writing for Salon and not Slate. But she does sometimes use dirty words, doesn’t she? And I imagine she makes Mickey Kaus very very nervous.
TRex @ 70
Rush Limbaugh pulls the same tricks, but he’s got a body made for radio.
ccmask @ 74
ohhh… you beat me to it. Not that that is a good alternative slogan for mr. you know who.
ifthethunderdontgetya :
bless you for the poo flingers!!! You must have seen the other 3 pages of comments.
Then there were pages and pages of vindictive caca about the other article on Webb today.
Either stoopids or paid shills; exhausting, either way.
Onward!
thanks to you all.
angie @ 81
Now that I’m registered, is there a comments section where I can criticize Kurtz?
Just wanted you guys to know that while DeWine in Ohio may be getting less $$ from the GOP, several other state GOP candidates are coming out with new and even more bottom-of-the-barrel ads. Just saw a slew of them tonight.
CTBob is at it again, with what I can only say is quite a “sweet” video of Ned. “Let’s get back to the issues.”
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..bates.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..#038;eurl=
TRex @
70
Yep, that’s her schtick.
Most people don’t know, but there has always been a huge debate in the gay community about marriage. Many of the intellectual leaders of queer theory long have rejected the idea of patterning gay relationships in the same “failed” model of heterosexual relationships.
Funny thing is it’s not the intellectuals leading this debate. It’s the actual gay americans out there who grew up in families, are your neighbors and friends, who want to participate in this institution. That’s what makes it ironic that conservatives say it weakens marriage; gay americans have the freedom to reinvent the definition of their relationships, and all they really want is what everyone else does, two kids and a white picket fence.
Can we just make these into pop-ups and change the wording to “A Hard Man Is Good To Find”?
WaPo Editorial for 10/28/06:
Conserving That Compassion
A Uniter, not a Divider?!
Margot @ 87
Can we just make these into pop-ups and change the wording to “A Hard Man Is Good To Find”?
I guess they didn’t count my vote for Last AND Least.
What am I saying, Repugs don’t count votes.
Jim @ 78
I have the feeling that she makes more than just Mickey Kaus nervous. She certainly does make more than just a few people nauseous. :)
It’s almost in character for her that she begins with a false premise, which is assumed by her to be without question–that Dems were attacking Foley for his sexual preferences. That was certainly not true–the actual issues were his predatory behavior toward underage people, the hypocrisy of him fronting the committee that he did, and, most particularly, the failure and deceit of the Republican leadership to stop Foley when they were first informed and their decision to ignore the problem, to the detriment of the pages.
But, then, what are the facts to someone for whom they have no import, anyway?
Well, now I feel like a real a**. I loved Sexual Personae. That’s why I was looking forward to tonight’s late night, to find out where I went wrong. It’s not like I have no gayness in my life. My sister is gay, the drummer and back-up singer in my band were gay (I’m sure they still are; it’s the band that is no more) and et cetera.
But I did like SP. I’m going to have to look at it again with this new, for me, insight. I frankly just remember stuff about Coleridge and Wordsworth.
I feel like a total dupe. My face is red.
CP is a joke. She’s loud and obnoxious and contradicts herself every other sentence she wails. I hadn’t heard anything about her in years and didn’t miss her at all.
I could never figure out why anyone ever gave the ‘old bag’ 15 minutes and think she is still getting time and space.
God. I hate Bloomberg.
NYT
LindaR @ 91
No need for embarassment. Putting sex back into the canon of Western Lit. is a valuable exercise. Paglia’s problem is turning it into a hobby horse, oversimplifying and twisitng it to suit her biases.
What’s so laughable about her is the either/or narrowmindedness of her critique. Art worthy of the name is seldom just one thing ot another.
On the bright side, I dropped off my ballot yesterday. I love Vote-By-Mail! In Oregon the entire state votes that way, and most of the counties in WA do too. Sure, there are still scanning machines to worry about, but at least there are paper ballots for recounts.
Gees, just in time for Halloween, Camille rises from the ashes of has beens who never were.
Being in the Philly area we got an extra special dose of her when she was suppose to be relevant. Every interview I saw with her, or read in the paper, I found her to be a dimwit. I forgot about her until I read this post. And once I hit Submit Comment, she be relegated back to the aforementioned ashes.
UptownNYChick @ 89,
I sure hope that isn’t the case in this election.
There are some very fed-up people around here.
LindaR @ 91
There was so much hype around that book I can see why people were seduced by it. I was reading it after a lot of the excitement had died down and was in the midst of a minor in gender studies so I was coming to the book with a very nuanced view of sex, art, gender, and so forth. Camille, like Preznint Pustule, doesn’t do nuance.
Margot @ 98
Well, I have emailed newspapers and will call town hall on Monday to make sure that this is on their vacation time.
And, well, you have my apologies. I didn’t vote for Bloomberg, campaigned against him, and we got clobbered.
kristinejoy >”…gay americans have the freedom to reinvent the definition of their relationships, and all they really want is what everyone else does…”
Companionship & intimacy is what ALL humans want no matter the iconic language used to represent it in clutural terms & no matter the sexual orientation of the participants
It is who we are
“A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.” – Franklin D. Roosevelt
Funny, story on politicians and hand sanitizers. Has this great image of a pol’s wife cleaning the masses before they can shake Darth cheney’s hand.
NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..hedge.html
fwiw- lobbyists again checking to see what side the bread is buttered on.
~~~~Democrats Get Late Donations From Business
By JEFF ZELENY and ARON PILHOFER
Published: October 28, 2006
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 — Corporate America is already thinking beyond Election Day, increasing its share of last-minute donations to Democratic candidates and quietly devising strategies for how to work with Democrats if they win control of Congress.
The shift in political giving, for the first 18 days of October, has not been this pronounced in the final stages of a campaign since 1994, when Republicans swept control of the House for the first time in four decades~~~
Thanks Patrick 4/4 and TRex. This is funny in the Molly Ivins piece:
Generally agree, but then there’s this: “They live lives of Pure Eros! We can’t take that away from them! It’s what makes them GAY!!”
Um, no, as a male who is straight as the day is long (in June), I can say without question that this is what makes them humans with a penis. It’s just that those of us penis-holders who lust for women have to compromise a lot. That’s our evolutionary lot. Believe me, if I could spend all day deciding whether it was time to receive oral sex, perform oral sex, or just rut like bunnies (NNITO), with any woman whose eye I could catch, I wouldn’t be thinking about the greater philosophical implications of sexual orientation and a Philosophick Fuck.
And obviously, gay men and women (including, sometimes perhaps, CP), have different evolutionary motives than us breeders.
And I’m sure, as CP would agree, this makes a lot of sense if you think of, well, sexual “phenotypes” as evolutionary strategies. Some women do well by getting one man’s genes and another’s support. Some men do well to create lots of offspring without caring for them. And committed, monogamous couples have evolutionary advantages of their own.
And in this light, even homosexuality is an obvious evolutionary advantage; get to a certain population density, and the motive to invest highly in offspring is high, and there may be hormonal pressures to create gay family members who support the general genetic output, rather than their own, specifically.
You can disagree with me, but you can’t do that and explain the existence of bees.
I happen to find all of these thoughts consistent with my inner reflections as a straight male, with respect towards gay men and women, with understanding of CP, and with understanding of the many above-noted objections.
Valley Girl @ 103 — this, I think, is going to be the greatest challenge when the Democrats finally do take power back. We citizens are going to have to practice eternal vigilance, speaking out loud, consistently, and showing that we mean it, against the corporatists.
Y’all, I’m running out for some food. I’ll be back in a bit.
ifthethunderdontgetya @
82
You can engage with Howie on his chats and you can just give him your all by writing to him here, just scroll a bit and look to the left at the link and have a good go!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00587.html
Paglia ran roughshod over those genteel academic types up in the ivory tower. Mainstream media adopted her because she said the right things at the right time and rode in on the wave of un-PC conservatism. She’s still their token academic, the rare egghead who gives saleable quotes.
Her academic career did hit a small snag:
Rich, lucky, just intelligent enough to do harm, and probably a psychopath. There’s no parity in this world.
Lieberman cries about the fact that Lamont has put $14 million of his own money into his own campaign – the only other funding being from the grassroots.
All the while Joe is benefiting from millions of dollars worth of out of state funding from Bush supporters and people like Bloomberg. (Bloomberg spent around $75 million for his mayoral campaign)
With this juggernaut landing in CT, Joe & his friends will not only crush Ned’s grassroots effort – they will also smash the Congressional Dem’s chances as well.
In other words – screw the voters of CT. And screw the Dem party.
However Biden and Levin and Clinton will not campaign against Lieberman because he’s a friend.
Words cannot express…..
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That team brings with it an approach that has been under development for some time and is similar to the one that President Bush used in his re-election bid in 2004. For Mr. Bloomberg’s first bid in 2001, Mr. Sheekey said, the campaign engaged in a targeting operation that merged voter information with consumer data to identify potential supporters and tailor specific messages to them. That method allows campaigns to identify voters by tastes and habits whether or not they live in an area where support for a particular party is strong.
In that 2001 campaign, outreach was primarily through mail and telephone, since the campaign could not recruit a strong contingent of workers on behalf of a political unknown, Mr. Sheekey said.
By 2005, though, the Bloomberg team was able to bolster its voter identification effort with an aggressive operation involving 50,000 workers fanning out through the city to knock on doors and reinforce the mayor’s message, Mr. Sheekey said.
With a version of that machine in Connecticut, Mr. Bloomberg’s aides are coy about where it might go next, particularly whether to support other like-minded candidates or even the mayor himself.
“There are a lot of things the mayor had done in his campaign which the Lieberman campaign needed,” Mr. Sheekey said. “You get involved in races where you want to make a difference and where you can make a difference, in that order.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..r=homepage
UptownNYChick @ 100
Oh no, I’m in Ohio, I didn’t vote for Bloomberg! Sorry…was trying to make a joke about the ads, went all wrong.
dab @ 110
Yes, it’s frustrating and outrageous, but we knew they weren’t going to give up the gravy train without a fight.
Bloomberg got elected by supressing votes in NYC, he doesn’t have that much of a GOTV machine. He got elected because Dems were not motivated, which you cannot say about Ct.
I was surprised to hear she was still alive.
Thanks so much for that info UptownNYChick. How dare he send hoards of staffers to CT.
All of this needs to be exposed. It clearly doesn’t matter what Joe does to the people of CT as long as he can hold on to his cushy life in Washington.
He brings in swiftboaters. Millions of tainted dollars. And now armies of New York City staffers to get out the vote. (Is Joe paying for all this marketing and campaign expertise? If so I’m sure he’s getting it at discount rates.)
I hope the Lamont campaign shouts this from the rooftops.
dab from CT @ 114
Well, there are a bunch of us that have come from NYC to help Lamont too. I hope the Lamont people reiterate the Lobbyists for Lieberman theme. He has pay professional hit-people to come from out of state for him. Ned draws regular people to com on their own dime.
Lobbyists for Lieberman. That is a great meme/ theme, UNYChick.
Lobbyists for Lieberman.
Regular people for Lamont.
Apparentlly, Joe is a Purrell “evangelical,” according to this article.
Wonder if Hadassah lobbys for it’s parent company.
I’ve never read Sexual Personae, I know Paglia mostly from her Salon pieces and a few TV interviews she did back then. She certainly isn’t stupid, and she says a lot of very interesting, insightful things, but I think she places her highest premium on 2) being provocative and 1) getting attention (as night follows day….).
The sum total is, she’s no more a variant of Hitchens, Sullivan, Kaus and the rest: “What can I say that will get me the most attention?”
Let her scream and rant for the grown ups’ attention. She’s become a boring self-parody in the end.
You nailed it dab. According to the polls there are significant numbers of CT voters who want to vote for Joe and the Democratic candidate for the House. I hope news of Bloomberg’s invasion will wake the rest of the Democratic party up to the reality of Lieberman4Lieberman. It’s all about Joe
and fuck the rest of the partyI’ll just import paid Republicans. I hope Ned can run some commercials on this along with the three House candidates, show a united Democratic front and emphasize that Joe is a Republican.Valley Girl @ 116
I’m passing it along (with attribution) right now
Yanno, TRex, as a highly trained observer, I cannot help but notice that there is a strong attraction that comes over you around 10pm CA time. Every night, you have to go get food at the grocery store.
Honey, there is this great invention called an icebox. I know they didn’t have them around back when you were a young therapod but you should be somewhat familiar with the concept, having experienced several ice ages during your extremely long tenure here on planet earth.
Unless, of course, all therapods do their shopping in the middle of the night. In which case, never mind.
As far as your post, well, I consider myself fortunate for not having been exposed to this poor dear, bless her little heart, until this post.
I have never–NEVER–understood anyone who takes Camille Paglia seriously.
I could refute every idiotic point she made up there, provide her with reams of references to document how utterly corrupt and decadent, twisted and downright sick the hetero lifestyle is, but I won’t bother. The point is that I can do that. Me, the dumb hick blue-collar worker with nominal college credits.
If an idiot like me can argue Camille Paglia under the table and make her lick the crumbs off the gum stuck there, that’s a pretty clear sign that she’s as dumb as Ann Althouse (to whom she has an even clearer resemblance than she does to Ann Coulter. Think about it.)
dab from CT @ 120
There’s a bumper sticker or campaign sign buried in there: Lobbyists *heart* Lieberman.
Paglia isn’t smart. She’s an overeducated idiot. There’s a difference. A big one.
dab from CT @ 120
Would be fun to have a group of actors like Billionaires for Bush to follow the float or something.
Steve Gilliard on the Bloomberg invasion
Camille Paglia – Zell Miller with a taste for cunnilingus.
John Casper @ 126
I think I fear Bloomberg’s money more than I fear his campaign machine. Remember he got voted in two months after 9/11 on the coat tails of Rudy. NYC was not focused on the election and Dems were certainly not motivated.
The mini mayor is doing this to show he has national clout, maybe trying out manuever Rudy.
Patrick 4/4 @
127
I don’t understand all this about Camille Paglia. When a dog farts, do you listen?
JT >”…I can say without question that this is what makes them humans with a penis…I happen to find all of these thoughts consistent with my inner reflections as a straight male, with respect towards gay men and women, with understanding of CP, and with understanding of the many above-noted objections.”
[damn, wish I`d said all that…]
Say it Brother, Say it loud !
JT NAILS IT
Thank You for being so clear & on target
“…Open-mindedness is not a virtue of people who don’t believe anything. It is a virtue of people who know that their beliefs are not absolutely true….” – Reinhold Niebuhr
Thanks John & NYC – I’m trying to calm down so I can go to sleep. Read Gilliard and he has some good points (actually, the Lamont campaign has been doing GOTV work in CT since July – with only a week or two let up in August).
I guess this is what Lieberman’s $5 million he has left on tap is going to pay for.
I hope all the CT papers jump all over this power trip that Lieberman & Bloomberg are on. I can’t believe that the DSCC and the DCCC are just going to roll over and let Bloomberg up end all Dem efforts in CT. But who the hell knows
What Joey is doing clearly has nothing to with the voters of CT.
Arrrggggghhhhh
Hmmm, looks like I got one in Mod…
Not only have I been EPU`d at Firedoglake, now I have been Moded !
The sweet smell of success (I guess…)
“All animals except Man know that the ultimate purpose of life is to enjoy it” – Samuel Butler
Wigwam @ 129
Dogs don’t fart. They only get the blame.
Oh Gods, thank you so much for the take-down of CP. I was a “sisterhood is powerful”, “Dialectic of Sex” quoting feminist hippie, spent a lot of time arguing that being a heterosexual feminist was not a contradiction in terms at the local women’s center and the GLF house. While dodging the crudest types of sexual harassment by men at the local underground newspaper where I volunteered who claimed we were fighting some sort of revolution that apparently didn’t include my own personal needs for liberation. I went into Sexual Personae with great hopes, didn’t even get half-way through before the throbbing headache caused by the right side of my brain shouting ‘bullshit!’ constantly caused to throw the damn thing at the wall.
Never looked at anything else she read.
Now, when our beloved therapod returns to the lake, I have a question waiting…
LindaR @
104
Molly Ivins pretty much eviscerated Paglia, and people with as much good sense as IQ points haven’t taken Paglia seriously since. Come to think of it, the first time I heard of Paglia, it was through Molly. I was just like her. Who the F is this Paglia person? But I wanted to be fair, and I tried to read her book. It was like reading Ayn Rand, just like Molly said. I got about three paragraphs in, and thought, this woman’s a fucking moron. Three essays later, I was still thinking, this woman’s a fucking moron. And I’ve been saying it ever since. I don’t think she’s ever put together two words of sense.
She has to be one of the silliest women in all of America, right up there with Coulter and Althouse.
Looks like I got moded, too. Probably because I kept repeating that Camille Paglia is a fucking moron.
Is Camille DOING Christopher Hitchens? The same M.O. — the same seemingly everlasting drunkeness …..
They are both has-beens and are drowning their sorrows.
Paglia’s a type that Foucault talks about: somebody who’s escaped the chains of society by inventing new, more stylish & risque chains for herself & everybody else she can reach.
She’s also a lot like some of the hipper comedians around the globe: she’s not intimidated by political correctness! There’s nothing she won’t say! She calls ‘em like she sees ‘em! (Maybe this is why her popularity started going down as soon as phenomena like Limbaugh, Coulter, O’Reilly started jumping her claim.)
LJ/Aquaria >”…Probably because I kept repeating that Camille Paglia is a fucking moron.”
The Truth hurts sometimes in strange ways…
Praise be to Ms. Ivins
“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.” – George Bernard Shaw
daCascadian @ 130
daCascadian @ 132
Salut! to you both.
to which i add:
“Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds”
-Ralph Waldo E.
and from “The Wizard of Id”:
(Prisoner) “Guard! Guard! Bring me books on philosophy!”
(Guard) “Why? What do you want to know?”
(Prisoner) “I want to know the true meaning of life!”
(Guard) “Oh, that’s easy: No time off for good behavior.”
LJ/Aquaria @ 136
Of course, I disclosed earlier that I liked Sexual Personae when I first read it, so I guess I am a fucking moron.
fahrender >”…(Prisoner) “I want to know the true meaning of life!”
(Guard) “Oh, that’s easy: No time off for good behavior.”"
Wisdom is wisdom no matter where you find it
“We have enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.” – Jonathan Swift
Oh, I am so sleepy. Going to bed, but I want you to know my last comment is a joke; I am not leaving in a huff!
I’ve never understood Paglia’s appeal.
good night all
LindaR -
don’t feel too bad over the SP thing – everybody has outgrown old ideas, concepts, ideologies if they are actually paying attention. Hell, I even read “Atlas Shrugged” when I was a teen and thought there were some good ideas in it. For a few months. Then I started reading Crowley and that was ever so much interesting…
I voted for Reagan in 1980.
well, if we’ve bashed ol’ Camille enough now, those of you who do have a proclivity for the unfettered Eros should wander back to Eschaton and take a gander at the video of “The Gypsy Punks/Gogel Bordello”. now those people really know how to Par Taaay! (link at comment #25)
General sir @144 — it’s an honor to have you amongst us.
…and when I was 8 I wrote a letter to my Senator asking him to intervene to save Lt William Calley from being prosecuted.
The important thing is that we eventually outgrow it.
Just stoppin in before bed to say Camille Paglia is and has always been a totally fraudulent utterly loathsome piece of bullshit fuck.
Anyone who’s sucked into spending a moment of their precious ticking away life considering her, I have a healthy alternative. Go to YouTube and watch Esther and Maca on Hospital Central, season 8 onward. Don’t matter if you don’t speak Spanish. Enjoy beauty and beautiful acting instead of assholes.
JC Christian, Patriot @ 144
I believe her appeal is for cash.
Thanks Jane. Long time reader…infrequent commenter.
I voted for Barry Commoner in 1980, how stupid was that?
Since we are confessing: I voted a Republican ticket from Nixon through Bush II, term 1.
Ruby Tuesday @ 154
And then you admitted it. Here.
JC Christian, Patriot @
153
General, Sir! Frequent reader, verey infrequent commenter. It is our pleasure to have you here.
I gotta say. I miss the weekly Hannidate.
Suzanne @ 155
My God, it’s like an AA meeting.
TRex,
I’ve been saving my last $100 for campaign contributions just for you.
You’ve met some great candidates, fine people working on long-shot campaigns, the big races, the small races, you’ve treated the candidates, staff, volunteers with so much hospitality and joy as you’ve introduced them to the lake.
So, I was just wondering, is there one candidate that touches your hopes and spirits deeply? One good Democrat out there amongst all the good Democrats running that you will jump up and down and maybe even feel a tear or two of pure joy well up in your eyes when he/she is announced the winner of their race?
Because that’s who I want to give my last $100 to.
It’s late and I have to get up in 6.5 hours – so just leave an answer and I’ll find it when I get to drop by tomorrow.
Love to all, Peace to all
I voted for John Anderson in 1980 (sorry, President Carter!!) and it was his ONLY vote in my rural North Carolina precinct.
And I voted Libertarian in ‘84, but I was pretty much stoned 24/7 that year.
LindaR @ 143
Linda, honey, Camille isn’t as much of an idiot as people here would have you believe. consistent she is not. right, only some of the time. batshit crazy? so was Nietzsche. i haven’t read her or seen her on television in years but i think it is less than objective to relegate her to the company of Hitchens or Coulter. kinda damning her with faint something, i know, but still….
Patrick 4/4 @ 158
Actually we all meant to say in unison “Hello Suzanne.”
I went to high school with a jerk who ran for city council a few years later. He recieved one vote. The sad, or actually funny, thing was that he was married and his parents and 6 adult brothers and sisters all lived in that town.
JC Christian, Patriot @ 161
Sir!
In ‘84 that was probably a good vote! My little soldier isn’t up for them this time around though. Sir!
Suzanne and others -
no matter when you got to the party, welcome!
Yeah, I did feel like I was standing up saying ‘my name is Ruby and boy, am I a hope-addict.’ I honestly thought the country could move further to the left than Carter. I remember that election night, comforting a 19 yr old woman who was terrified of what Reagan would do in office (she lived in California, she knew Reagan all too well). Told her that I’d survived the Nixon regime while living in DC, we could manage with Reagan in the White House. Boy, was I mistaken. Again.
‘nite all!
Back.
How’s everyone?
Pretty good local ABC news report on the Laesch/Hastert race in IL-14. I can’t see what people see in Hastert anymore, but I guess they like the bacon he brings home.
http://www.john06.com/node/403
RBG @ 157
Wow, ask and ye shall receive. Hannicatch of the Week
RBG, funny you should mention that. I posted one tonight.
General, suh!
You look like you need a spanking.
TRex — check RTuesday’s comment at 159, there’s $100 to any candidate you choose! Choose wisely.
If it hadn’t been for Camille Paglia, TRex would have had to invent Ann Coulter….
Has anyone done a PhD yet on the relationship between those two as anti-feminist icons? Although Camille NEVER bares her legs, to my recollection.
I think John Amato has some Hannidate goodness coming up soon as well.
JC Christian, Patriot @ 164
I was on a Midway Airlines flight once that was taxi-ing to the runway while the pilot welcomed us over the intercom. I didn’t hear a thing after his name – I went to junior high with him and remembered what an idiot he was – I still haven’t relaxed my grip on the armrests.
Suzanne @ 155
Y’know, I never had that problem… my first vote was when I was in the army, and the officer I had to see to get an absentee ballot gave me (quite illegally) a lecture on how army personnel had an obligation to support the candidate who “supported the military.” I figured, no matter how insane Nixon was at the time, that if the army wanted me to vote for him, that was all the evidence I needed to vote for Gene McCarthy. :)
TRex, do you have a Terrible Spatula of Redemption?
JC Christian, Patriot @ 170
Thank you, Sir. I am at your command.
Wow. Amazing Hannidate, sir.
ET—it was great to see your comments earlier from the campaign office.
Ruby Tuesday @
159
Robert Rodriguez. Any candidate who irons his own shirts gets my vote.
He’s a cutie, too.
JC Christian, Patriot @ 177
And the Wooden Spoon of Pennance.
How was the “grocery store,” TRex?
Josh Marshall gets funny in the late-night hours.
TeddySanFran @ 183
I went out for breakfast food at the Waffle House, thank you. Just food.
I’m saving myself for marriage.
TRex @
182
Wow, the guy in Seattle who spanks people for money doesn’t even have one of those.
RBG @
180
Thanks. But I owe Tony Tripiano $65.00. Their internet went down as I tried to post the ActBlue donation. By the time it was back up I had to go play a gig. Now my son and his IceMetal Band are out roaming town with my credit card in his back pocket…
TRex @ 182
This is definitely going to set me off… how much is the Blender of Divine Retribution worth?
TRex @ 185
How’s that marriage equality plan going in Georgia, anyways?
http://www.youtube.com/cthru?N…..gDh6JVJ2s=
30th February
Corporate America is already thinking beyond Election Day, increasing its share of last-minute donations to Democratic candidates and quietly devising strategies for how to work with Democrats if they win control of Congress.
The real battle begins in January.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..r=homepage
montag @ 188
The Spork of Self-Mortification?
This is excellent.
Patrick 4/4 @ 192
The Salad Shooter of Saving Grace?
The terrible teapot of corporeal suffering.
The colander of correction.
On Topic, what I got out of TRex’s post was she writes out a clear double standard about sex addiction. Straight guys live as cruising heartless predators too. Women too, I guess, but not as creepy? I wouldn’t know. I only hear about it from straight guys cuz I am one. (not a heartless predator… oh shit i stepped in it.)
OT, I voted “for” Lieberman in 2000! Not for Senator. How the hell did he get elected to both?
The Fearsome Fork of Flagellation
The Whisk of Obedience
The Rolling Pin of Malice
TRex @
193
Excellent ad, but Alaska is #49 (on the flag, at least).
What isn’t excellent, TRex, is this:
TRex says:
October 27th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
Kucinich is the honest man.
You can’t vote for someone because they’re fun to watch when you’re stoned, dude.
Why did you post that when you did, dinodude?
Why did you post that when you did, dinodude?
Just feeling a bit mischievious. Never touch the stuff myself.
TRex @ 195
Geez, it’s like saints’ artifacts of the modern age…. The Garlic Press of Everlasting Perdition.
The Lazy Susan of Ecstatic Devotion
And of course:
The French Press
The Potato Peeler of Abject Confession
TRex @
202
You’re hiding behind the biggest brontosaurus in our future. Pach was citing DINOs (Democrats in name only) and you threw the thread to the velocaraptors by dissing one of the three or four most progressive of OUR congressmen who will have the guts to give operations like fdl and JC’s site a place at the table in 2007.
Folks missed the unkindest cut of all in that Ivins review:
“[Paglia is] the Norman Podhoretz of our gender“
Patrick 4/4 @ 205
Heh. Eva Braun Bean Grinder
Suzanne @ 200
What they call Martha Stewart around the office…
You’re hiding behind the biggest brontosaurus in our future. Pach was citing DINOs (Democrats in name only) and you threw the thread to the velocaraptors by dissing one of the three or four most progressive of OUR congressmen who will have the guts to give operations like fdl and JC’s site a place at the table in 2007.
Oh, lord, it was just a joke. People didn’t think I was serious, did they?
MelodyMaker @ 209
Now we’re drifting into dark territory…. :)
The Peppermill of Punishment.
Okay, I’m off to bed.
Good night, firepups. See you Sunday.
montag @ 212
I was thinking Le Monde, Paris Match…
Patrick 4/4 @
210
The rolling pin of justice –
Julia Childs waiting at St. Peter’s Gate for W and Shotgun Dick to show up…….
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
And Julia used to work for the OSS.
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
I have the distinct feeling that she won’t be the only one… and they won’t be there as character witnesses….
TRex @ 211
poor timing, my friend.
Patrick 4/4 @ 216
and they knew how to get information in unorthodox ways, too. then they sometimes sent their subjects to another place.
Patrick 4/4 @ 214
LeMonde, (sp) fellow Minnesotan who rides a bike. French press indeed. Owns/owned a restaurant in Edina.
Preying on young people is NOT A CIVIL LIBERTY! -TRex
MelodyMaker @ 220
Only natural foods of course. No additives…
The Breadpan of Immaculate Conception
montag @ 223
Wouldn’t that be the “Turkey Baster”?
please, no lance armstrong comments. oops
Patrick 4/4 @ 224
*laughing* Yes, I suppose so. :)
I thought it was the Turkey Baster of Love
Suzanne @ 227
All depends on who’s doing the basting.
I’ve got to call it a night. Beware the burgeoning ziggurats.
I’m a bit confused about this:
It says in the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
Looks like she modifies her facts to suit her conclusions. Which prresidential administration does that remind me of?
The Muffin Tin of Firm Instruction
Oh, I answered my own question by WikiPedia also:
Good point, Mark, and excellent find. I remembered that the censure of Studds was rather overwhelming, but it certainly doesn’t sound like only three were applauding in M. Paglia’s recounting.
The Corkscrew of Edification
The sifter of solace.
The Can Opener of Divine Intervention
Joe will be on the bottom of this ballot too.
AP
And I need to got to…um…the kitchen.
G’night all.
The Bass-o-matic of Puree’ty
The fucking brick that hits way over 50% of the people we so humorously disparage here – a week from next Wednesday.
TeddySanFran @ 160
I volunteered for Anderson. I remember handing out campaign literature in front of the Kingdome with an attractive young lady. Wonder what ever happened to her?
TeddySanFran @ 233
Or that only three refused to censure. You almost get the impression that the majority of Democrats refused, which is quite impossible because there were more than six Democrats in the House at that time.
Ed*ard Teller @
207
I still have Kucinich stickers (yes, 2) on my car.
Sigh.
TRex and J.C. Christian. Two reasons why I blog so damned infrequently. I mean, what’s the point? These two are so brilliant, I feel a fool.
Confidentially, I’m just lazy as hell. But for the record, I blame them.
Having both you gentlemen in the same space is positively sexy.
Suzanne @
235
The Ladle of Licentousness
Hey, thanks for stopping by my place tonight!
Goodnight, all. I’m sure the morning crew can pick this up in a couple of hours. I think you’ve about run out of kitchen utensils, anyway.
Cujo359 @ 246
Nope, lots more. Just ran out of steam reading Tom Engelhardt’s latest.
Just got back from Gavin M’s excellent compiliation of Camille’s greatest misses. I think this blockquote is instructive if you can get past the obvious derision. Shilly-shally? deal forcefully with fascist regimes.
And,
1-1/2 cups 2 Tbsp lukewarm water, 1.5 tsp oil of newt. Add herbs such as hemlock and sumac to taste.
for all the former ./ readers at the lake,
LAST POST!!!111
it is late-nite. Almost time to make coffee again. cuppa. /&out
[crickets]
fahrender @
162
Yeah, she is that much of an idiot. Her arguments have no basis in reality. It’s all aphorisms and categorical statements harangued to death, just like Molly Ivins said. Ivins really, really nailed her, hard, and for all time.
blogslut @
244
Maybe this isn’t the time to reveal that the General showed me his little soldier once. But because I asked nicely. ;)
IFC is previewing this film and I think FDL folks might be interested
http://www.sogoesthenationmovie.com/
Reading When Lawyers are Criminals by Scott Horton reminds me of Yoo. ;-)
Amen. I wonder what these people who are talking about “naughty” or “suggestive” emails would do and say if such messages were sent to their teenagers by a 50 year old person of either sex? Somehow, I don’t think they’d just fluff it off as no big deal or blame the victim, as they did with Matthew Sheppard and continue to do in the Foley scandals.
TRex–
May I humbly suggest that Lynn Cheney be your next Late-Nite
targettopic?Actually the gay part is just a sidebar to the Foley scandal. If he had been hitting on underage girls it would be just as unethical, probably illegal, and, more important for politics, hypocritical. The culture of “there’s a sex-offender hiding in every bush” has been so over-hyped to win elections on every level. And that is what blew up on Foley. Our local news goes into overdrive to dramatize and demonize any one accused of having any type of “inappropriate” contact with a minor that they had no choice but to go ballistic over Foley. He got caught in a tidal wave of his own party’s exploitation of security-moms. The gay part actually muted the outrage I think.
The spiritual heir to Harold Bloom? He ain’t dead (snark)…
The difference may be that due to his erudition and interesting writing/speaking style, Harold Bloom could lay out an argument that was pure shit and make it sound good
This woman…
Let’s just say I’m not impressed…
“I knew Harold Bloom… and you, ma’am, are no Harold Bloom.”
UptownNYChick @
117
Great! Who’s up for selecting out resistant strains of bacteria? Morons…
The president is coming to Indiana today.
And me, with not even a single rotten egg in the house….
jayt @ 259
Just pop across the bridge to First Link and pick up a couple a dozen of fresh ones. I know they’ll be missing the stench, but I’m sure you’ll get a great price!!
Kentucky Woman @ 260
Well I do have a bachelor’s refrigerator full of rather dicey things. Is sour cream still good after 7 months?
Good morning all –
Got a little sleep in today, which was a very nice thing.
Work for justice and find peace!
jayt @ 261
Perfect! It’s reaching its’ peak ripeness!!
My husband (retired USMC) wants to drag out his dress blues and join you, jayt.
I’m concerned he will be named an unlawful enemy combatant….
Interesting that the Courier’s lead headline is about Abramson’s lead, Northup’s warchest and the Red / White game. No mention of W that I can see.
More Paglia Buncombe.
First, the Democrats near unanimously (maybe unanimously?), voted to censure Gerry Studds. Palgia reliably repeats GOP lies of convenience and historical revision on demand.
Second, unlike Foley, who received a first-class cover-up by the entire GOP leadership, there was no evidence of misconduct by Gerry Studds when the 1982-83 oversight investigation began. The 1982 oversight investigation was conducted by the Democratic House of Reps. obviously, because the GOP House doesn’t “do” oversight anymore. In fact, 1982 narcotics allegations of Congressman other than Gerry Studds, which started the investigation that ended with his and Dan Cranes subsequent 1983 censure, all turned out to be false.
However, in the course of that investigation, the special counsel learned that married moral majority Christian crusader Phil Crane had been having over-the-desk quickies with a 17-year old page.
Also, the investigators who interviewed thousands of people, learned that Studds had a relationship with a page in 1973. That’s right, during the Nixon administration.
So when deflecting attention from Foley’s coverup — the GOP coverup of a predator being the actual scandal here — the GOP needs to go all the way back to the Nixon administration to find one Democrat who happened to take a trip to Portugal with a page.
So there you have it. The cultural differences between Republicans and Democrats surface even when it comes to completely improper relationships with pages. Republican Crane hid his 17-year-old in a closet, Republican Foley furtively sent pages dirty notes; and in 1973, Gerry Studds openly brought a page with him on a trip to Portugal.
actually, I’ve got to help my son move today. The sour cream-n-spinach surprise will have to wait for another day, unfortunately.
I own a Cast Iron Skillet of Justice myself. It comes in handy here in red state America.
I’m a high school grad with one semester of college,so I never got exposed to Paglia,thank heavens. I suppose that’s one good thing about not having a degree,I missed alot of overblown nonsense passing for scholarly work.
Gay men cruising? Like they’re the only ones? BWAHAHAHA! Obviously she’s never been to a trade show or convention,or met a smarmy sales rep or vendor who plies clients with strippers. Or worked in a hotel during convention season. Straight(usually married)men put gay men to shame on that score. No woman is safe around these guys,been there,done that and got blisters on my feet from running from some of these guys. Talk about relentless pervy-ness,geesh. And ewww.
I really wish Americans would stop falling for this”trust me,I’m an expert,’cause I went to school and stuff” nonsense.
i’m usually a lurker, but oh, Camille!!!
TRex, you brought back such memories for me. Like reading some, rereading the same pasage, then trowing the book to the floor in disgust. I did that so many times, I finally broke the spine (it should have been hers) and threw the damned thing away.
I should have been warned by her TV interviews hawking the thing where she talked so fast that I could only make out a few words and thereby completely missing whatever “point” she was trying to make.
What brought her out of her crypt? Foley? Is that a reason???
(back to the shadows)
An Angry Old Broad @ 266
Isn’t that just the truth! I used to live and work in New York City about 2 blocks from Madison Square Garden and there were times when conventions were in town when it was hazardous just to stand on a street corner waiting to meet a friend. The assumption was any woman standing still MUST be waiting to be picked up… Retch… oh, yeah, and “wretch” too!
Oh, well, I guess I’m trapped in mod because there’s a new thread upstairs…
I read the entire interview in Salon and it’s the usual self-referential BS. I’ve rarely seen a writer allude so much to her own work.
She is a male version of Andrew Sullivan, setting her political sails according to the prevailing winds, and preferring the glib over the deeply thought. And of course her work is rife, like Sullivans, with ad hominem invective. It’s about being a media personality — verbal shock and awe — not a thinker.
Remember, that Conservative Media people like Tucker Carlson, Ann Coulter were trained at one of the GOP Institutes where they were taught to take Republican talking points, and slant and distort them so the Right looks good, the Left looks bad. Probably your Ms. Paglia was a graduate of the same Slime institute!
And hererosexuals don’t go cruising? Honestly. Paglia’s argument reminds me of writers who respond to the Holocaust with clever questions like, “But can we say the Jews were completely without blame?” It’s a time-honored intellectual charade she plays: bigotry dressed up as critique. What she does is as bad, if not worse, than Limbaugh or Coulter. They are thugs who act as thugs to an audience of thugs. Paglia, on the other hand, puts academic lipstick on the American bloodsport of killing gay men.
Paglia isn’t worth her weight in straw.
Camille Paglia, like most talking heads, feels she can pontificate on anything, even subjects about which she is completely ignorant.
Studds’ constituents here in MA did not applaud him for having sex with an underage page. Gerry Studds humbled himself through a series of public appearances throughout his district. He endured the brunt of their anger over the incident. Ultimately, his constituents, many of them Portuguese fisherman, understood that he was working on their behalf and that he was their best advocate. The people of his district did not pull the lever for Gerry Studds the homosexual. They voted for Studds, the champion of the New England fishing.
Why are folks like Paglia given licensse to talk about anything beyond their area of expertise?
Professor Foland @
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Lynne Cheney is not a good man.
I’m trying to come up with a descriptor to explain the kind of person — who may even call themselves “liberal” — who think she’s brilliant. Haven’t come up with one yet. She’s the worst kind of fraud I know of.
If I kind of squint at her to get her sexual persona, what I see is a loud, stupid and wife-beating old man. A lover of Mussolini, who hangs around the coffee house all day disparaging “these wimps” today.
But definitely nothing like an actual intellectual.
Somebody at Salon can stomach this crap. Probably the same person, or faction, responsible for Farhad Manjoo.
Yeah, I hear ya. I too am sick of Paglia and her stereotypes of both gay men and lesbians (she thinks we lesbians are dreary ugly, bores, with the exception, of course, of herself).
A few years ago she was quoted in Salon as saying that hearing about Rush Limbaugh’s drug addiction was as devastating to her as when she heard that Princess Diana was killed. Huh? Man, she is too weird for words. I really wish Salon would stop subjecting us to her silly, attention-seeking rants.