
(H/T to Steve Clemons for the pix.)
It's down to the final decisions on the Match Made in Washington Quote Off. But I need your help to determine the winners. Voting begins now, and will continue until tomorrow at noon ET/9:00 am PT. We'll start round two then -- there were so many submissions, I'm having to break this into pieces for everyone, and then we'll have a quote-off at the end.
We'll be picking two winners -- one for the most craptastic best Lieberman quote, and one for the most craptastic best Bush quote. And now, to the Quote Off, Round One:
Lieberman Quotes:
L1: “Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.” (submitted by CTBob)
L2: “[W]e have evidence of meetings between Iraqi officials and leaders of al Qaeda, and testimony that Iraqi agents helped train al Qaeda operatives to use chemical and biological weapons. We also know that al Qaeda leaders have been, and are now, harbored in Iraq.
Having reached the conclusion I have about the clear and present danger Saddam represents to the U.S., I want to give the president a limited but strong mandate to act against Saddam.”
–Joe Lieberman (SOB-CN), in “Why Democrats Should Support the President on Iraq”, October 7, 2002 (submitted by EvilDrPuma)
L3: “The last two weeks have been critically important and I believe may be seen as a turning point in the war in Iraq and the war on terrorism,” Lieberman told reporters after he and a bipartisan group of senators met with Bush and top administration officials on the war. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/ 2005-12-17-lieberman-iraq_x.htm (submitted by Cozumel)
L4: “The difference in this town — here in Washington — on the war is not between Democrats and Republicans; it’s between people who believe essentially we’ve already lost in Iraq and it’s time to get out — and most of the rest of us who believe not only have we not lost, but we’re winning.” - Joe Lieberman http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/ 2005-12-17-lieberman-iraq_x.htm (submitted by Cozumel)
L5: “There are extensive contacts between Saddam Hussein’s government and al Qaeda.” - Joe Lieberman; http://nationalreview.com/interrogatory/ hayes200406020847.asp (submitted by Cozumel)
L6: Senator Lieberman wrote about the Iraq he saw: “Progress is visible and practical. There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraq hands than before.”
Senator Lieberman goes on, “Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes, we do. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/ 2005/12/20051207-1.html (submitted by Cozumel)
L7: Lieberman’s IRAQ Senate September 13, 2002 http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/ 205.html This . . ."Saddam hates America and Americans and is working furiously to accumulate deadly weapons of mass destruction and the missiles, planes, and unmanned aerial vehicles to use in attacking distant targets." and This . . .“The essential facts are known. We know of the weapons in Saddam’s possession–chemical, biological, and nuclear in time” (submitted by Sonoma Rus)
L8: Nov 05, Joe Still was Proud to have sent troops unnecessarily off to war “…It is no surprise to my colleagues that I strongly supported the war in Iraq. I was privileged to be the Democratic cosponsor…” (submitted by Grandmatoo)
L9: Benchmarks of Success in Iraq, Nov 2005, Joe’s Benchmarks of Success in Iraq “…Progress is visible and practical…There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before…” (submitted by Grandmatoo)
L10: From Lieberman Praises Bush, Chides Kerry, Scroll down to the bottom for a collection of some of Joe’s greatest “hits”. “If John Kerry or anyone else who voted for the war resolution thinks that they were misled in a way that makes them think they voted the wrong way in supporting the war, they have an obligation to say exactly what–what–in what way they were misled. Otherwise, they’re sending, again, a message that I would call ambivalent.” (CBS, “Face The Nation,” 8/31/03) (submitted by brownandserve)
L11: From the Wall Street Journal: “Our Troops Must Stay: America can’t abandon 27 million Iraqis to 10,000 terrorists. BY JOE LIEBERMAN Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST “I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November’s elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.” (submitted by mc)
L12: Howard Dean has climbed into his own spider hole of denial if he believes that the capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer. –J. Lieberman, December 2003 (submitted by Ralphbon)
L13: “[W]e have evidence of meetings between Iraqi officials and leaders of al Qaeda, and testimony that Iraqi agents helped train al Qaeda operatives to use chemical and biological weapons. We also know that al Qaeda leaders have been, and are now, harbored in Iraq. Having reached the conclusion I have about the clear and present danger Saddam represents to the U.S., I want to give the president a limited but strong mandate to act against Saddam.” Senator Joseph W. Bush Lieberman http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/ feature.html?id=110002391 (submitted by ccmask)
L14: “Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to “lead the fight” themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006.” HoJo, in the WSJ, 29 November 2005. (submitted by Bargain Countertenor)
L15: “As long as Saddam is there, Iraq is not just going to be a thorn in our side, but a threat to our lives,'’ Lieberman, the Democrats’ 2000 vice presidential nominee, told reporters Monday in Washington. htp://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles /2001/10/16/200751.shtml (submitted by Cozumel)
L16: Flip: December 8, 2005 “It is time for Democrats who distrust President Bush to acknowledge that he will be commander in chief for three more critical years, and that in matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation’s peril”
Flop: September 13, 2006 (After losing the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont) “It is wrong for some on the right to imply that some Democrats don’t care if the terrorists succeed, or that debating the merits of the president’s policies on the war on terrorism emboldens our enemies” http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles /2006/9/15/205802.shtml (submitted by Hugh)
L17: “Whether or not Saddam is implicated directly in the anthrax attacks or the horrors of September 11, he is, by any common definition, a terrorist who must be removed.” - Joe Lieberman (submitted by Cozumel)
L18: “The Administration’s recent use of the banner ‘clear, hold, and build’ accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented” in Iraq. Wall Street Journal, Nove. 29, 2005 (submitted by Hettie)
L19: I believe this was from Aug 2003: WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Joe Lieberman attacked the left wing of his party Sunday, saying Democrats “don’t deserve to run the country” if they move left and embrace “the failed solutions of the past.” “If we’re for middle-class tax increases, if we send a message of weakness and ambivalence on defense, if we go back to big government spending, if we’re against trade [and] for protectionism — which never created a job — we don’t deserve to run the country,” Lieberman, a presidential candidate, said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We’re not going to be able to meet the challenges that America faces today.” (submitted by ndenial)
L20: From Joe himself, even though it sounds more like Dick Cheney: “After bin Laden, we must target Saddam” by Joseph Lieberman. Wall Street Journal. Oct. 29, 2001. pA22: Did Saddam have a direct hand in the attacks on America that began on Sept. 11? The evidence at our disposal is circumstantial but suggestive. We do know that he has not just the motive and malevolence, but the means. And we also know that Iraqi intelligence officials have met at critical times with members of the al Qaeda network. (submitted by mui)
L21: HoJoe on the reasons for Abu Ghraib. “Let us have faith” by Joseph Lieberman. May 14, 2004. Wall street journal. HoJoe doing a gee whiz on Abu Ghraib: Was it somehow also the cumulative effect on a generation raised in an entertainment and Internet culture that has grown increasingly violent and pornographic? And then argues that firing Rumsfled will only make the terrorists happy: Many argue that we can only rectify the wrongs done in the Iraqi prisons if Secretary Rumsfeld resigns. I disagree. Unless there is clear evidence connecting him to the wrongdoing, it is neither sensible nor fair to force the resignation of the secretary of defense, who clearly retains the confidence of the Commander in Chief, in the midst of a war. I have yet to see such evidence. Donald Rumsfeld’s removal would delight foreign and domestic opponents of America’s presence in Iraq. (submitted by mui)
L22: “Our Resolution” by HoJoe. Wall Street Journal Oct 7, 2002. pg. A.26. HoJoe channeling Dick Cheney again:
So, my answer to “Why now?” is, “Why not earlier?” And, of course, that question has new urgency since Sept. 11, 2001.– Won’t a war against Iraq slow or stop our more urgent war against terrorism? To me, the two are inextricably linked. (submitted by mui)
L23: “We must help Iraq overcome terrorist” by Ho Joe. Hartford Courant. Dec. 4 2005. (This editorial could supply many nuggets.)HoJoe on progress in Iraq: Progress is visible and practical . . . There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cellphones in Iraqi hands than before. All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing (submitted by mui)
L24: "In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy." From Joe’s conference speech, February 2003 (submitted by jeffreyw)
Bush Quotes:
B1: "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" (submitted by egregious)
B2: “The radicals exploit local conflicts to build a culture of victimization, exploit resentful and disillusioned young men and women, and use modern technology to multiply their destructive power." (submitted by GSD)
B3: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” –George W. Bush, “State of the Union”, 1/28/2003 (submitted by EvilDrPuma)
B4: “It’s in the interest of — uhh — uhh, long-term peace in the world that we — uhh — work for a free and secure and peaceful Iraq. A peeance, freeance secure Iraq in the midst of the Middle East will have enormous historical impact.” – George Duhh-bya Bush - Oct. 27, 2003 (submitted by twolf1)
B5: “We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace.” Link; Link to source UN speech (submitted by windje)
B6: BUSH: “I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there’s a strong will for democracy." CNN interview with Wolf Blitzer, 9/24/06 (submitted by punaise)
B7: OK… this has got to be Bush’s biggest lie. Ever. From a March 8, 2003 radio address. “We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq.” (submitted by Malacandra)
B8: Cincinnati, Ohio October 7, 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/ 2002/10/20021007-8.html My fav . . .“We’ve also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We’re concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States” (submitted by Sonoma Rus)
B9: “The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people; they’ve suffered too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is a great moral cause, and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq deserve it; the security of all nations requires it. Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest, and open societies do not threaten the world with mass murder. The United States supports political and economic liberty in a unified Iraq.” President Psycho to UN General Assembly, Sept. 2002 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/ 2002/09/20020912-1.html (submitted by lina)
B10: “My answer is bring ‘em on.” —President George W. Bush, on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003 (submitted by T-)
B11: “We gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn’t let them in.” Bush Press Conference 7/14/2003 (submitted by KnotIookin)
B12: Bush quote from his Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended speech from May 1, 2003: "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country." (submitted by Disgusted in St. Louis)
B13: Bush quote, from one of many “listen to the Generals” statements, but recent one via CBS News from September 15, 2006: “And that’s the way I will continue to conduct the war. I’ll listen to the generals,” Mr. Bush said. “Maybe it’s not the politically expedient thing to do. But you can’t make decisions based on politics about how to win a war.” (submitted by Disgusted in St. Louis)
B14: There — it’s — you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.
– Interview with Katie Couric (CBS News), White House, Sep. 6, 2006 (submitted by Mad Dogs)
B15: GW Bush: “amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they [Iraqi's] tolerate.” (submitted by s)
B16: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/14/barn es-osama/ BUSH: “bin Laden doesn’t fit with the administration’s strategy for combating terrorism.” (submitted by Eureka Springs, AR)
B17: Dubya: Speaking at 2003 RNC Presidental Gala : “…Since the liberation of Iraq, our investigators have found evidence of a clandestine network of biological laboratories, advanced design work on prohibited long-range missiles, an elaborate campaign to hide these illegal programs.
There’s a lot more to investigate. Yet it is now undeniable — undeniable — that Saddam Hussein was in clear violation of United Nations Security Council resolution 1441…” (submitted by Grandmatoo)
B18: Here is Bush saying that we can’t win the war on terror. “I don’t think you can win it,” Mr. Bush replied. “But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.”
That’s just a few weeks after he insisted that we will win it. “One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we are asking questions, is, ‘Can you ever win the war on terror?’ Of course you can.” (submitted by MarkatNewsCorpse)
B19: Bush: "The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and Al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda" June 17, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/1 7/Bush.alqaeda/ (submitted by Hugh)
B20: Throughout Iraq, we’re also seeing challenges common to young democracies. Corruption is a problem at both the national and local levels of the Iraqi government. We will not tolerate fraud — so our embassy in Baghdad is helping to demand transparency and accountability for the money being invested in reconstruction. We’ve helped the Iraqi people establish institutions like a Commission on Public Integrity and a stronger Supreme Board of Audit to improve oversight of the rebuilding process. Listen, the Iraqi people expect money to be spent openly and honestly — and so do the American people. - GEORGE CLEARING BUSH http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/ 2005/12/20051207-1.html (submitted by ccmask)
B21: Asked whether or not we fought the wrong war during an interview on NBC, 8/29/06(I think):
“Did we fight the wrong war, and absolutely not — I have no doubt. The war came to our shores, remember that. We were, we had, a foreign policy that basically said let’s hope calm works. And we were attacked.” (submitted by Blub)
B22: “As you know, I’ve made the tough decision to commit American troops into harm’s way. It’s the toughest decision a President can ever make, but I want you to know that I tried diplomacy — in other words, a President has got to be able to say to the American people, diplomacy didn’t work. ” GWBushleague - Sun City Center, FL - 5/9/2006 http://www.dubyaspeak.com/war.phtml (submitted by Dee)
B23: http://www.dubyaspeak.com/search.phtml?n q=torture&stype=all&em=
Under the dictator, prisons like Abu Gar — reb — were symbols of death and torture. That same prison became a symbol of disgraceful conduct by a few American troops who dishonored our country and “disregardered” our values. America will fund the construction of a modern, maximum security prison. When that prison is completed, detainees at Abu Garomp will be relocated. Then, with the approval of the Iraqi government, we will demolish the Abu Garab prison, as a fitting symbol of Iraq’s new beginning.
– Dubya starts out shaky, then completely gives up trying to correctly pronounce the name of the prison infamous for American mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners (Abu Ghraib), United States Army War College, Carlisle, Pennsylvania, May 24, 2004 (submitted by Eureka Springs, AR)
B24: A free Iraq will mean a peaceful world. And it’s very important for us to stay the course, and we will stay the course. President Discusses AIDS Initiative, Iraq in Botswana, July 10, 2003 (submitted by Glenn from Canada)
B25: It’s in the national interest of the United States that a peaceful Iraq emerge. And we will stay the course in order to achieve this objective. President Bush, Ambassador Bremer Discuss Progress in Iraq , October 27, 2003 (submitted by Glenn from Canada)
B26: … they want us to leave, because they know that a free and peaceful Iraq in their midst will damage their cause. And we will stay the course, we will do our job. President Bush Visits California — Talks to Victims of Fires, November 4, 2003 (submitted by Glenn from Canada)
B27: “Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day.”
—President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (submitted by jaxpagan)
B28: “After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got. Some in this chamber, and in our country, did not support the liberation of Iraq. Objections to war often come from principled motives. But let us be candid about the consequences of leaving Saddam Hussein in power. We’re seeking all the facts. Already, the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations.” — State of the Union Address (1/20/04) (submitted by KnotIoolkin)
B29: The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas.” George W. Bush, Oct. 7, 2002 (submitted by KnotIookin)
B30: “Let me tell you what else I’m worried about: I’m worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.” (submitted by drinksforall)
Hope I haven't missed any quotes. Let me know if I missed one of yours, and I'll amend the post. There are some good ones -- please only vote for one Lieberman and one Bush quote, and we'll narrow it down a little tomorrow. Thanks all. I'd say happy reading but...well...these all pretty much suck.
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Gulf of Tonkin again??
US naval war games off the Iranian coastline: A provocation which could lead to War?
By: Nicole Belle @ 10:20 AM - PDT
GlobalResearch :
There is a massive concentration of US naval power in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea. Two US naval strike groups are deployed: USS Enterprise, and USS Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group. The naval strike groups have been assigned to fighting the “global war on terrorism.”
drinksforall @
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I think you meant, “
expandingfighting the ‘global war on terrorism.”Balrog @
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Gone now.
OMG Reddhead - that photograph! Priceless.
wow - that’s quite an effort to compile all that…
newspaperbrat @
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No kidding. I’d pay anything to not have to look at it again.
L16, B7
punaise at 6 — it took me forever — I hope I haven’t left one out. And I’ve screwed up the HTML somehow, and am going to have to figure out where the glitch is…
I’ll vote!
L 12 (I like ‘um simple)
B 3 (like a first line in a chapter one)
drinksforall @
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They’ve added another group..it’s now 3…
USS Boxer Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG 5) to arrive in Arabian Sea
The USS Boxer (LHD 4), –which is the flagship for the Boxer Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG 5)– which left Singapore on October 16, is scheduled to join the three naval strikes groups. ESG 5 is comprised of USS Boxer, Bunker Hill, USS Dubuque (LPD 8), USS Comstock (LSD 45), USS Benfold (DDG 65), and USS Howard (DDG 83). ESG 5 also includes PHIBRON 5, the 15th MEU, Coast Guard Cutter Midgett (WHEC 726).
(http://www.c7f.navy.mil/news/2006/october/3.htm)
god bless you christy for this massive undertaking!
What is the criteria for picking a quote? The biggest lie, the most moronic or offensive or something else? knowing would help eliminate a few
L16, B19
L17 and B11.
They both made me say “aaarrrghhhh!!”
lo at 11 — here’s the original contest post, which can hopefully answer some of those questions for you. :)
L20, B12
Balrog @ 13
You sunk my battleship!
(No current battleships deployed currently or in-route to the Arabic Sea or Persian Gulf were harmed in the typing of this msg.)
It doesn’t make it unreadable, but it looks like there are some extra sets of blockquote tags indenting quotes by more and more down the list.
“I hear the voices, and I read the front page, and I know the speculation. But I’m the decider, and I decide what is best. And what’s best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense.”
- The Deciderer, 4/18/06
thanks
will Donita Sparks vote for L7?
I’ve never noticed it before… In the pic, is that Hillary with a huge smile on her face?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 9
can we get you an intern?
Pete K @ 22
no, it’s the RNC blonde from the Harold Ford ad
“We don’t believe in planners and deciders making the decisions on behalf of Americans.”
– Scranton, Pennsylvania, Sep. 6, 2000
Christy: please, please, please add the quote that jeffrey found from Joe’s Germany, February 2003 speech at the NATO conference, where he said Bush was following his policy in Iraq.
jeffreyw @ 50
From Joe’s conference speech, February 2003
Christy,
That is an awesome set of talking points. Thank you for the effort. Now, I’ll go back and read through the fine print and nuance.
Is Joe4Joe or any other Repug hangin’ around here today?
Ummm…how do you buy votes? And do I have to keep a Journal?
My goodness, Hollywood could not make this sort of heinous dribble up!
Not an attempt at a late entry. More of a dishonorable mention..
BUSH: “I don’t think ANYONE could have anticipated the breach of the levees.”
Ah, I shoulda just submitted something from my
blograndom collection of geocities pages.“The privacy of all Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities.”
George W. Bush, May 13, 2006
Washington, D.C.
L4, B20
L16, B15
Shorter Lieberman: I’ll do anything to keep my Senate seat.
Shorter Bush: Brown people are the pawns upon which my family builds its empire.
BTW,
I found out this morning that my Lee Greenwood parody “Goper’s Lament” will shortly be used in a YouTube video by Rick Uhl. It will hopefully be up in a few days.
w00t!
Scarecrow at 26 — I’ll add that one in in a sec. Gang — I’m going to pull this offline for a sec and see if I can hunt down the missing blockquote tag. It may take me a few minutes, so don’t panic. You’ll be able to post comments as soon as I get it back up — in the meantime, just keep reading. Sorry for the glitch…I’m still teaching myself some of the HTML stuff…
Christy — this is stunning. Before (or after) we all vote for favorites, could we each take a few minutes to spotlight this all over NYT and Connecticut media and New York City tv?
Are there Lieberman “cut and run” quotes/flip flops? Or were they discovered later?
scarecrow @ 27
Saddam ejected the UN inspectors
Heh. Revisionist crap, didn’t happen
L19 - the quote and the setting pretty much define the word “quisling.” (L12 is a strong contender for visceral disgust, though.)
B28 - what an awful cocktail of lies, innuendo and straw men!
L2, B15 - both evidence of complicity in war crimes.
OT– A pretty entertaining slugfest on cspan– Maryland senate debate.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 34
I’m not sure there’s one missing, it’s just that there are a lot of nested ones, and if I understand the formatting you intended, you only need on pair bracketing each set of quotes.
“Where’s my coke?”
George W. Bush, Yale, 1967
Jacqrat @
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LOL
lo @ 12
Perhaps we need awards for different categories:
1. Dumbest statement ever
2. Biggest lie
3. Most internally incoherent/contradictory
4. Most revealing of the mindset that got us into this mess.
5. Paired quotes: most like each other and important.
6. Grand champion: most indicative/representative of why this man should not be in office.
Redshift @ 18
My mistake — I looked at the source, and the problem isn’t extra blockquote tags, it’s extra nested ‘div class=”comment-text”‘ tags.
OT: Yay! Just got mail that some of that new DCCC spending is going to Judy Feder (VA-10)!
Josh Marshall running a great story about “Mean Jean”
Apparently her opponent is running an ad which shows Mean’s amazing attack on Murtha on the floor of the house.
Mean Jean’s staff struck back with an ad of their own lambasting the opponent for breaking house rules by running video from a house session.
It took someone sane to point out to mean that house rules don’t apply to people who aren’t members of the house-
Josh posts this under the musical question- “Is mean jean to stupid to be a house member?”
Well, I can’t figure out the problem. I’m hopeless at html. So I’m going ot have to dig out the programming book and see if I can figure out what is wrong. May take a minute or many. But I added in the quote, scarecrow. Only two prizes, though — it’s all we have to give out for this, I’m afraid. But this does give folks some good ammo for discussions, I think. ;-)
L4 has the ring of a winner.
It makes a point that he is “inside Washington”, that he doesn’t identify with either party but DOES identify with the idiots who want the war to drag on interminably. He sets himself off from the reality based community, ie most of voting public, who think the war is a loss and we should get out.
Redshift at 44 — does that mean that if I take those out, all the nesting will go away? (she says hopefully — whatever “div shift” may be…SIGH)
BLINGO!
Reading these quotes reminded me of the great Carl Sagan book The Demon Haunted World which contains what he called his “Baloney Detection Kit”.
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/.....loney.html
Great Man - Great Book
shoo
Pretty good collection of “informal fallacies” (although there are some dupes in there).
rwcole @ 52
Hey. Even the Mona Lisa’s falling apart.
Wow, exhaustive (and exhausting, I’ll bet) work!
Now to go back, read the quotes, and vote.
Apologies for OT, I don’t see that this has been posted- Christy, feel free to delete.
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1976.....tes-emails
[]The November 7th election is right around the corner. Please join me in supporting Ned Lamont with your hard work on-the-ground in these closing weeks of the campaign.[]
U.S. Senator Barack Obama
Redshift — awesome! I got them all but one, and it’s just going ot have to stay in there for the moment. I’m too tired to go back through and pull it right now. Whew! Thanks much!
Here’s the killer quote for Bush that you left out. It is the one from the press conference last month where he said, “its important we stay there and get it done, or we leave. We’re not leaving, so long as I’m the President. That would be a huge mistake” He was royally pissed when he said it too. I had a visceral response to seeing this on TV. It was like, “Oh, yeah, asshole? Well, we’ll see about that this November.”
Play it over and over and over with L4.
Bastards
L9 and L23 are essentially the same statements; L6 is almost the same but adds another line.
Difficult choice with so many good entries, but I’ll go with L7 and B7 as the most egregious [heh, eg :)] lies listed.
rwcole@50
LOL I was thinking that too
CNN shows dems winning by 17 points in the generic ballot (likely voters)
Harris shows GW Clusterfuck at 34% JAR
Too bad we can’t include Darth in the contest :-(
In an interview Tuesday with Scott Hennen, a conservative radio talk show host, Cheney confirms that detainees were subjected to water-boarding:
Hmmm…I though Darth was just admitting to having “no brains”, but maybe it was a twofer.
Oh.My.God. Nerves of steel to assemble this, and plenty of blood pressure meds.
I can’t even begin to pick the most offensive.
The trouble with using the “informal fallacies” test on GW statements is that it requires comparing conclusions with premises. GW rarely HAS any premises.
Much better link on Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit…for those interested.
http://www-static.cc.gatech.ed.....xcerpt.htm
Obama endorses Lamont
OT:
Ooooh, the latest pink elephant, Crist, is in the Florida Governor’s debate on C-Span right now.
Wait! Wait!
There are things much more important to dwell on that these stale old quotes!
http://apnews.myway.com/articl.....D0S80.html
punaise @ 6
Quite an effort indeed.
Noting the Steve Clemons credit for the photo is it a safe bet it was taken the same State of the Union night Bush kissed Joe? Hillary looks so, well, absurdly happy being in the center of the picture.
I’ve been re-reading Eric Foner’s book on Thom Paine and thinking how much both Paine and Foner would love FDL and Jane & Christy in particular.
OT– sobering assessment of Afghanistan on cspan2 now.
Pamela Constable at the US Institute of Peace
O.T. (again..sorry)
‘The Fox effect.’ A new study of Michael J. Fox’s stem cell ad shows “support for stem cell research increased from 78% prior to viewing the ad, to 83% after viewing the ad. Support among Democrats increased from 89% to 93%, support among Republicans increased from 66% to 68% and support among Independents increased from 80% to 87% after viewing the ad.”
I hope this translates to a few extra points for Dem. candidates in those affected races!! NICE!!
Gang — I missed a quote — my sincere apologies to reader drinksforall. I’ve added it above, but I didn’t want anyone to miss it:
B30: “Let me tell you what else I’m worried about: I’m worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place.” (submitted by drinksforall)
drinksforall @ 70
That and actual research would be very NICE.
L7, B7
A lot of the quotes read like “The Best of Stephen Colbert” rather than our sad reality.
Oops…forgot the Bushies (and Loserman) are not “reality based.”
L24 (followed closely by L3 for its unintended prescience)
It’s so hard to pick just one B. I’m going with B27, because once you understand that it is possible that these people have somehow actually come to believe that, the other quotes pretty much explain themselves.
(B14 gave it a tough run for the money, for its unintended honesty; so did B11, as a clear illustration of the psychopathy we are dealing with.)
newspaperbrat @ 68
and all this time I’d thought Hillary’s triangulation fetish was merely lust for power…
There’s a duplication of HoJoe’s Progress-is-a-cellphone quote among the entries: L6, L9 & L23 (my own), but I have to say I love that quote. But I am torn between that and L18. This hard o.k.:
L6, & B21
B21 is absolutely craptastic. What war is Chimpy referring to? The war of 1812?
The most frightening thing for me in reading through all of thes while I was assembling them is how closely the language and the thought process was tracking between the Bush White House and Joe Lieberman. Rubber stamp, anyone?
This one gets my vote for the Bush quote prize, because it shows that he knows what accountability is, but his actions show that he does not want any of that for himself.
As for the Lieberman quote, I like the one I found (L24) but would rather the prize went to scarecrow if it should win. *grin*
I’m afraid this is going to have to be a daily contest. The things that come out George Bush’s mouth on almost an hourly basis…
‘The frustration is that the definition of success has now gotten to be, how many innocent people are dying?’ the president said. ‘And if there’s a lot dying, it means the enemy is winning.’ He paused. ‘That doesn’t mean they’re winning.’” (From Froomkin’s column today)
Huh? So, if a lot of innocent people are dying, we’re winning?
kirk murphy @ 75
Ummm, and bipartisanship smells like lubricant…
mui?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
It seems odd that Lieberman is now saying mistakes were made when he was one of the leading cheer leader propagandists every step of the way about how good things were going! Until Lamont ; )
Christy Hardin Smith @ 56
Always glad to help!
For Lieberman, L24 (most disqualifying category).
For Bush, B9 (most ironic category)
Bush says:
Meanwhile, Dick Cheney says:
Dick Cheney’s interview with talk show host Hennen [via Glenn Greenwald Dick Cheney interview:
Valley Girl @ 81
Bonjour. O.K. Chimpy’s referring to Iraq.
And Christy, I also thought that Holy Joe was often channeling either Bush or Cheney.
mui- but I just got home and saw that Obama endorses Lamont- I am so excited! Is this OLD news?
Great (depressing) compilation.
L16, B12
Professor Foland @ 74
Pssst…how much do you want to move B14 to the top?
Joe4Joe says I don’t need no stinkin’ Journal, so would you like cash, check or Visa?
Valley Girl @ 86
Well it’s anticlimatic news. It comes on the heels of much more brave endorsements, so . . .